More missing credit fun!

[Jack]

"Tweety and The Beanstalk" has no "Backgrounds" credit, same with "Piker's Peak", may I assume these were Irv Wyner's last pictures, with Gorelic taking over after that, much like the missing story credits and directorial credits seen in other examples?



Jack:D

[J Lee]

Yep, that was the Warner's credo -- you quit and your name is gone from the credits (I believe Rich Hogan also lost a credit from Jones' "The Bird Came C.O.D." when he jumped ship to go to MGM with Avery in 1941). At least Warner's didn't remove the names of people who left the studio when it closed in the spring of 1953 and didn't return when it reopened six months later.

[Sogturtle]

Hey John and Yak~

The Warner practice of dropping credits was of course appalling, but it is at least not dishonest in the since of substituting someone else's name, true? Leaving a credit blank at least let's us figure out who's name got 86'd... On to specifics at hand. There are two Chuckster toons from the end of 1941 that must have borne the name of the dear-departed Rich Hogan... They are "Saddle Silly" and "Porky's Midnight Matinee". Hate to inform you of this but I do have documented proof of the name of the storyman from the early 1942 "The Bird Came C.O.D." and Rich Hogan it wasn't. So sorry... We can though add two more titles to the list of Jones story-credit-less cartoons from this period, namely "Porky's Cafe", and "Dog Tired". Even money on who wrote them...;)

What is even more of crying-shame though was the Schlesinger practice of sometimes letting a storyman or full-fledged animator work for months or (likely even up to a couple of) years before rewarding screen credit... WE all remember those WB cartoons bearing Shamus Culhane's name in the credits right??;) :p :D

[J Lee]

Hmm, not Hogan? Let's see -- Monahan was still there, as were Foster and Maltese. Pierce was still on the bus heading back from Miami, Hardaway was already over at Lantz' place, so that leaves the Miller/Millar boys, I guess, unless it was one of those oddball one-shot story jobs, like Bob Givins on one of Chuck's Sniffles `toons.

As for Shamus, even he couldn't even remember which cartoons he worked on, other than "Inki and the Lion" -- in his autobiography, there's a drawing of Rudolph from Frank Tashlin's "Puss `N Booty" which is IDed as Sylvester. Culhane many not have animated on it, but he might have done the character layouts, since he and Tashlin were buddies and Tashlin inherited the No. 4 unit from McCabe, which tended to have the most problems keeping their charcters on model and keeping them looking good in 1943. Putting an ex-Disney man on the last B&W Looney Tunes would have helped solve that problem.

[Sogturtle]

Hi John~

Interesting guessing on storymen :) Actually Jack Miller had already packed up and quit before this (can't work at Leon's unless you have Ben Hardaway there too!! :p). And Melvin "Tubby" Millar was now paired with Warren Foster and they had their hands full writing for Bob Clampett (then Millar and Christensen wrote for McCabe).

As for the richly talented Shamus... His memory of his stay at Schlesinger's was so clouded by his rage at Leon (and his exultation at telling him off) as to make it verrrrry unreliable. A cartoon gallery owner has a couple of drawings (signed I believe) by Culhane from Jones' "Fin 'N' Catty" , and told me of at least one or two other KNOWN Shamus-at-Warner toons... To this list we must add Bob Clampett's recollection (which I do trust on this) that Shamus Culhane animated briefly for him at the abode of Schlesinger!!! (OH NO, now people will be looking for Culhane animation in ..."Coal Black And De Sebben Dwarves"!! ;);)) Sooooo in all likelihood since Shamus would appear to have been in a "floater-animation" mode (like Phil Monroe in the same period) then he truly DID animate on "Puss N' Booty" for Frank Tashlin. Since he left Fleischer in '41 (last short credit May '41 so he left early in the year despite "Mr. Bug/Hoppity" coming out at the end of '41) and claimed to have taken a full year off (no proof that I know of) then that would actually put him at Leon's from sometime in EARLY 1942 or EVEN BEFORE. Shamus always identified the Inki cartoon that he remembered as ."Inki And The Lion",buuuuut that dates from 1941!!! ."Inki And The Mynah Bird" came out in late 1943 (after he was already at the house of Lantz!! Soooo what can we make of this?? Did he actually join Leon's in 1941 and thus work on both of these Inki cartoons??? (I'll have to check my Shamus Inki drawings and compare to the cartoons). And thus back to my previous statement that the new-at-Schlesinger-crew worked for longgggg periods uncredited.