Cubby The Bear "Mischievous Mice" 1933

[vitaphone]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knew whether a soundtrack was ever
recorded for the Harman & Ising - Cubby The Bear cartoon "Mischievous Mice" - The reason I ask is that I have only seen silent prints with
a modern tacked on soundtrack. Does a sound print exist? Or did Harman and Ising never record a soundtrack because they decided to drop the series and go over to MGM and make the Happy Harmonies series? I know that neither of the two Harman/Ising Cubby Cartoons were ever released.

Thanks ahead for any help :)

[Sogturtle]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knew whether a soundtrack was ever
recorded for the Harman & Ising - Cubby The Bear cartoon "Mischievous Mice" - The reason I ask is that I have only seen silent prints with
a modern tacked on soundtrack. Does a sound print exist? Or did Harman and Ising never record a soundtrack because they decided to drop the series and go over to MGM and make the Happy Harmonies series? I know that neither of the two Harman/Ising Cubby Cartoons were ever released.

Thanks ahead for any help :)

Jason~

No musical accompaniment was ever recorded for "Mischievous Mice", at least back in 1933. The "tacked on soundtrack" though is not modern, it actually dates from a Hugh Harman commercial production of the Forties ("Easy Does It" --1947). And what really happened is that Hugh got ticked off at Van Beuren and refused to deliver the completed cartoon (this even as his animators were charging meals at a drugstore while waiting for overdue paychecks). Hugh thus kept ownership of "Mischievous Mice".

And the two earlier Harman-Ising Cubby toons were actually released in 1933.

[David Gerstein]

Er, um, guys...

In 1933, cartoons were already produced in the modern pre-sync manner; with the sound being composed and— at least in part— recorded, before the animation process even began.
So there must have been an original soundtrack for MISCHIEVOUS MICE. There are even moments in it that, when I last saw it, appeared to have been animated with a specifically timed background score in mind.

A better explanation for why Harman didn't have a soundtrack for the 1940s release might be that it was recorded by the Van Beuren house orchestra— and when Harman split with Van Beuren, Van Beuren sat on the soundtrack negative. (I don't know this for sure; it's just a guess.)

[Sogturtle]

Er, um, guys...

In 1933, cartoons were already produced in the modern pre-sync manner; with the sound being composed and— at least in part— recorded, before the animation process even began.
So there must have been an original soundtrack for MISCHIEVOUS MICE. There are even moments in it that, when I last saw it, appeared to have been animated with a specifically timed background score in mind.

A better explanation for why Harman didn't have a soundtrack for the 1940s release might be that it was recorded by the Van Beuren house orchestra— and when Harman split with Van Beuren, Van Beuren sat on the soundtrack negative. (I don't know this for sure; it's just a guess.)

Hi David, and yes, I am well aware that pre-sync was the standard in Hollywood even then. My point (which I stated badly) was that no soundtrack was recorded in 1933... at least that we know anything about. And yeah I've pondered the same sort of explanation as you have stated. But the problem with it is that IF Hugh and Rudy had a finished Van Beuren score to animate to, then I'd view it as pretty unlikely that they'd just hand it back to Amedee (especially after they'd already directed and animated a whole cartoon around it. (And it was only a few months later that they hired Scott Bradley).