24 "Day 2: 6:00am - 7:00am" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

A new day continues on 24 as Jack Bauer, played by Keifer Sutherland, continues his investigation to stop an impending war, and time is almost up. Also, check out the Previous Episode Talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=75157).


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24: Season Two
Day 2: 6:00am - 7:00am

Jack attempts to deliver the one person who can help to prevent the military attack now close at hand. Meanwhile, Palmer continues the push to prove the country is going to war based on false evidence and assigns his attorney to find out everything he can about Peter Kingsley, the man who hired the computer hacker.

Comments?

[Silent Bob]

Wow...I have no idea how the hell they are going to pull this off. Everything is going south, and straight to hell. I just got done watching this episode on Global so SPOILERS BEWARE!

First off - I'm pissed that Alex died! Give Jack a break! For the past 22 hours he's been a step away from getting what he needs, and his information either dies, gets destroyed, or is gunned down. Give this man a break! And now heart problems? I know he'll survive the day, but give this man a break!

Mike is still a scumbag. Not a big one anymore, but still someone I'd wouldn't wipe my shoes on, though I would boot him. He comes off as a bit compassionate this hour, although I'm sure he'll find someway to throw it out the door before 24 hours are up. I hope Palmer somehow finds something within the next sixty minutes that will save his presidency.

What else? The Kim/Kate stuff went pretty fast, so it wasn't too bad. More and Kate and less of Kim is just fine by me.

Sherry. Man, what a rat. She's still doing what she can to save her own skin!

And finally, the best parts of the episode, the Chapelle/Tony/Michelle/Carrie plot. I hate Carrie with a passion. I really hope she gets what's coming to her in the next hour. I don't know how she will, but I really, really hope so. Chapelle, I'm sure he will be back to foil more situations next year.

I have a gut feeling that some seeds for next season are being planted right now with Tony, Michelle, and Jack. Three rogue agents who strike it out on their own? Or perhaps join the President's service? Since these are the only three agents who believe Palmer, I'm sure they will be greatly rewarded.

My only complaint? Where's Nina?

[KingKoopa]

I only have one thing to say: How the hell are they gonna close this up in one hour?

Well, I do have one more thing to say. I can't wait for the DVD set to come out.

[stwasm]

All I can say is, "WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

How ARE they going to wrap all this up in an hour? I'd like to know HOW Jack is going to survive this next hour? I think Jack may have to "pass the torch" over to Sherry and she'll somehow come out as the hero (or is that heroine?). Yeah, she's irked me throughout the history of this show, but what's another plot twist?

I'm with you, Wolverine. I hope Carrie gets her's in the next hour. Same with Chappelle. I'm still angry with Mike for turning on President Palmer, then he has the gall to come crawling back to him, asking for his help. What nerve!

I liked the way Kate and Kim are bonding, but I think things are finally getting to Kim. I was just waiting for her to do something stupid and shoot Kate. Thank goodness she didn't!

I asked before and I'll ask it again.... how are they going to wrap all this up?!? And they are, indeed, coming back next season, correct?

[Tanooki]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG :eek:

best...episode...yet!!!

can't wait for next week's episode!

kim was correct in questioning kate. because a)after all her "misadventures" that day, i'd say she has the right to question everyone and b)because it's jack's new woman! :D

OMG

KoD

[Infinity Blade]

Two to one that the season ends with the cliffhanger of us not knowing whether or not Jack's dead. Or at least not knowing whether or not SOMEONE'S dead... but at this rate, I'd say Jack. :p

[randomguy]

A pretty quiet episode in the grand scheme of things. You can tell they're gearing up for the big guns next episode. I'm thinking that Jack probably won't die, but geez, I just don't know anymore. The bodycount could go in any direction, although I'm thinking that Tony and Michelle are safe. And I'm hoping to dear God that nothing happens to Kate.

Still wondering why we haven't heard anything about Lynn. And Nina... it just occurred to me that her intel helped them find the bomb. Shouldn't she be pardoned by now, i.e, a free woman?

I found Kim's treatment of Kate to be highly irratating. Kim had this ***** act going on, which is particularly annoying because Kate is probably the sweetest, most good-hearted character on the show right now. I think she's great. At least Kim didn't shoot her. I was afraid of that, and would have felt highly cheated had that happened.

Poor Jack just can't get a break.

[stwasm]

I found Kim's treatment of Kate to be highly irratating. Kim had this ***** act going on, which is particularly annoying because Kate is probably the sweetest, most good-hearted character on the show right now. I think she's great. At least Kim didn't shoot her. I was afraid of that, and would have felt highly cheated had that happened.


Now, I have to disagree with you on the above because just think of the day Kim has had. Who could blame her for questioning Kate. I think we should give the girl kudos for finally using what little of a brain she has!
:melissa:

[David Lucas]

I only have one thing to say: How the hell are they gonna close this up in one hour?




They're gonna pull a Matrix Reloaded on us and have it to be continued. There's no way they can finish up all this **** in ONE HOUR.

Almeida's screwed, we're gonna bomb whatever country it is, Palmer's still outta commision, Chappelle's pissed at the world, Jack's got heart problems, Hewitt's dead, Kingsley's gonna "meet with Sherry".

If after all this crap Sherry ends up doing something good, I'll be PISSED as ****. I want her dead. Period.

Now that that's all out in the open, next week's preview BLEW ME AWAY. MUST SEE NOW!!!!

This is definitely going on my DVD shelf when it comes out, can't even BEGIN to imagine what they got in store for us next season.

[James Harvey]

My Fox affiliate cut out the end credits/ teaser for next week again. Why the heck do they jump into the news so fast? Can anyone provide a rundown of the trailer for next week, which I can't wait for.

This episode was almost complete set-up for next issue. We have Tony and Michelle facing some serious consequences. We got Jack reeling in pain, and Shelly by his side. We got Kate and Kim actually bonding and talking. Also, Mr. Palmer can now find out who Kingsley is. Also, I would like to join the club of those who want to see Carrie's butt kicked from here to Hell.

[okendri]

Just to join in on the chorus. How are they going to finish this in an hour. So the theme of this season is still torture. Now they are torturing us. Jack get oh so close, but something goes wrong. I just hope they don't pull a to be continued. I couldn't wait until October to see how this shakes out. I really want to see Palmer put Mike in his place. Guys its only been a few hours since Lynn fell, and a little longer since Nina was placed under arrest. Lynn is probably in ICU and it will take more than 24 hrs to be pardon considering all that is going on with the Presidency.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Heart Attack Jack needs to take some Bayer asprin.

[Infinity Blade]

If after all this crap Sherry ends up doing something good, I'll be PISSED as ****. I want her dead. Period.


What would you do if she did both, then, out of curiosity? :p

[DarkAngel]

I hate Carrie with a passion.
Those are exactly the words that were going through my head during the episode.

[czyznyck99]

I find it humorous how some of these characters have gotten into your heads. People hate Carrie, Sherry, the VP, Mike because they play devious. It's cool.

This week's episode was all about the buildup, and it was a good buildup. There really isn't much left to do except bring Kingsley in and grill him. Everything else will somewhat fall in place. Michlle will probably take Mason's advice and leave CTU. If it does end on a cliffhanger, then the show might as well be renamed 48 Hours....

Later.

[David Lucas]

****, I wouldn't mind it being called 48 next season.

And it's TRUE!! This show has created some of the most hated characters everrrrrr. Remember that black lady that took over CTU last season? Dear god, how bad did you hate her?

I have no quarrel with Mike, he's a caniving backstabber, but he seems like a decent guy deep down. Carrie on the other hand, I dunno there's just something about her that makes me wanna jump in the TV and strangle her everytime her face gets a close up.

As for Sheryy dying AND being good as someone said, as long as she dies, I'm happy.

I'm glad that Kim still hasn't been proven to be evil, but I'm really worried about her. I don't remember Jack telling her that his wife died, so does she know about it when talking to Kim? But then again, even if she IS evil, why would she have researched Jack's wife?

This really is one of the greatest things to happen to prime time TV. What's even more miraculous is that the station that cancelled "Futurama" and "Family Guy", and keeps crap like "Mr. Personality" and "Joe Millionare".

I love 24. Can't wait till next week.

[Tanooki]

something i wish i would've done since the beginning:

THOUGHTS ON CHARACTERS!!!

-jack- this new heart problem is a great idea. just when you think jack is going to kick some butt...BAM! "ow! my heart!" and he spazzes. i personally don't see him dying next episode. he'll probably wind up being in a coma

-kim- power to kim in this episode! as i stated earlier, she has every right to severly question kate about who she is and how she knows his father. although, if she would have shot kate, i would have been severly upset. severly!

-kate- could this be a possible formation of a bond between a future step-mom and step-daughter? possibly. i don't think it's for certain yet, but i can actually see jack and kate getting together in the future

-shirley- jack will remain in his coma inside the gmc truck as the bottom of that river basin and shirley will all of a sudden get really patriotic (or just get scared of the fact kingsley will be out looking for her if she doesn't show) and decide to go meet peter herself. i forsee her taking the bullet from the sniper we saw on the roof

-tony and michelle- they'll end up being fired for obvious reasons, but continue to help jack and company in season 3. umm...they'll go to prison of course but jack will realize how much he needs their assitance and he'll bust them out of jail, and then mason will come back from the dead and decide he's pure evil and... :D

-carrie- she'll get her butt kicked because she has it coming to her. i really hate her

-KoD-

[James Harvey]

Can anyone give a play-by-play of the teaser for next week's finale? My FOX affiliate cut off the end credits on my station.

I don't think Jack will go into a coma. That would be worse than Teri's out with amnesia last year. He'll just go unconscience for a few minutes and regain himself. This is just one more thing to slow him down, but it won't stop him. He'll find a way to get to Kingsley and outsmart the guy.

And Jack and Sherry meeting Kingsley could end alot of plot threads pretty quickly. It would prove David right, and he'd be back as President. The only gandling plot lines I can see is Lynn, who is still in the hospital. Once she recovers, Mike is as good as done for.

As for Tony and Michelle, I'm sure Michelle will go out on her own. Tony will be sent to prison. By the time next season comes around, either his sentence will be over, or Jack will have him freed. I think that with Michelle and Tony the only ones to help Jack, and they being the only three to believe Palmer, they will play a big role next year, with Palmer. Maybe they'll call all three in for a special task force mission. That's only speculation. Sutherland stated in an interview, thought, that season three will deal with some of the repercussions from next week's finale.

[David Lucas]

Can anyone give a play-by-play of the teaser for next week's finale? My FOX affiliate cut off the end credits on my station.



I wish I could Jim, but the teaser was just so fast paced, maybe the longest clip was 2 seconds from the entire thing. It was really epic sounding though with a chorus singing in the background (just ahh's) and a very good editing job. It really left you hanging and didn't really tell you anything. Just showed a buncha crap that makes you want to invent a "travel to next tuesday" machine.

Oh yeah, there was a bit with Sherry yelling out "I have to do this!" and then running for some reason.

[James Harvey]

Oh yeah, there was a bit with Sherry yelling out "I have to do this!" and then running for some reason.

Hmmm....is she acting patriotic, or saving her skin? Guess we'll have to wait! Anyone else able to peice anything togethor? :)

I wonder if tonight's episode marks the end of both Kim and Kate's arc. I realy can't see much more time being spent on these two characters. It would be nice to see Kate and Kim see Jack at the end of the hour, but I have a feeling that won't be happening. I'm just curious if they going to CTU is going to end their arc...or are they going to bring Maria and Bob Warner back for the final episode.

Man, this might be one tight finale.

[Robin2099]

Essentially filler but man, what filler it was! I was glad to see Jack have heart problems, as it would of just been too unrealistic for him to have his heart stopped, be dead, and keep on going with no break and be ok. Tony and Michelle do look like they are in deep trouble. The Palmer storyline is still interesting, and while I hate Mike, he somewhat got rid of some of my hate. I seriously don't know how this is going to end in an hour next week, but I know I can't wait. ****.

[David Lucas]

24 actually does tend to be realistic on certain aspects of the show.

When the nuke was first shown, like 4-5 episodes before Jack got a hold of it, my roommate looked at it and told me something.

He was in the Navy for 3 years and was a nuclear technician, when he saw the bomb he said it was some special kind that CAN'T be diffused.

Sure enough, when Jack got a hold of it, they told him it couldn't be diffused. Which has actually made me like 24 a little bit more, as everytime my roommate says something they should do or have to do based on his experience, they usually DO do that.

I think this is the first 24 thread to get 2 pages in a while.....

[JohnCrichton]

-jack- this new heart problem is a great idea. just when you think jack is going to kick some butt...BAM! "ow! my heart!" and he spazzes.


LOL! :D

Yeah, I thought that was funny. I mean, I understand that in a finale everything has to get its worse so that the heroes can triumph in the end, but jay-sis! They need to settle down with the problems the pile on!

Might as well have Jack running around with an American Flag impaled through his back and out his hip while they're at it.

-Less Kim to me is a good thing. She probably had relivance in the previous season, but I can't stand her in this one.

-What happened to Kim's mother?

-Alex deserved to die. GOD he was stupid! Only one person in this world could actually keep him alive, yet he thinks it's a better idea to run while the whole United States has snipers trained on him. Idiot.

[DarkAngel]

-What happened to Kim's mother?
Teri Bauer was killed by Nina at CTU in the final episode of season 1.

[David Lucas]

Teri Bauer was killed by Nina at CTU in the final episode of season 1.

Shush!!

I dunno if JC's read this yet, but he hasn't yet seen Season 1. Considering I see a lot of the box sets out there, I think it'd be easy for him to watch the whole thing once this season is over.

Even IF he asked what happened to her that was like the greatest moment of 24 so far....Shame on you JC for asking, GO SEE IT!

That's like someone asking you, "Oh what happened to Spike in the last episode of Bebop."

[JohnCrichton]

I am frelling swamped by the amount of media that I need to catch up on and watch in the first place.

As taken as I am by 24, I'll not be catching any of Season 1 anytime soon, so it's cool.

I'll jus do my best to keep up with the show from hear on out.

[DarkAngel]

I am frelling swamped by the amount of media that I need to catch up on and watch in the first place.

As taken as I am by 24, I'll not be catching any of Season 1 anytime soon, so it's cool.
Ok. I'll apologize anyway, though. I should have thought a little bit before posting that. Didn't meant to ruin anything for you.

[JohnCrichton]

No need to apologize. I directly asked and the warning's up top saying "Spoilers."

S'all good. :)

[David Lucas]

Let ME apologize DarkAngel, he DID ask you and all. My roommate came home the other night and said that he now loves "This new show called '24', and all he saw was the last episode." When I realized he just watched the finale of 23 episodes of build up, I made a vow never to let anyone have the season 1 ruined for them again.

Of course, JC's been watchin Season 2 where they make numerous references to Teri being dead, so oh well.

Even if you know how she died, the entire episode including actually WATCHING that scene is still better than 90% of the movies coming out this year.

[ClockStomper]

Jim here's what you missed in the episode preview:

Lots of stock footage from previous episodes (they even reused the episode's tunnel chase scene between Jack and Hewitt)
Marie is in a Hanibal Lecter cell and getup, talking to someone (presumably Kate) in a distant and foreboding tone.
Sherry runs around franticly waving her hands like she's got ants in her pants.
A sniper is put in place (looked like Jack, but it could be an enemy as well.) This was the only new footage of Jack (if it is him.)

[Spastic Minnow]

I saw an interview with one of the producers that said that if successfull the ending of this season will be as shocking as the death of Teri last season.

I don't think they'll do a suprise killing of one of the main good guys again because it's too much like last year, which makes me wonder what it is that they will do.

The most likely would be either Jack falling in action (but not dying) or despite all their actions, (taking down Kingsley, gaining proof of the file conterfeiture), actually having the bombs drop anyway (and honestly, how could it prevented now?). Or both. My problem with the attack going down is that it would be near impossible to have next year be about a war with three anonymous Middle Eastern countries; they'd have to start naming names.


Another teaser bit: one other thing they did show was Kate's sister taunting Kate or someone else through a glass pane, I can't remember what was being said though.

[redDragon]

http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/eek.gif I'm with the crowd on wondering how they'll have the time to tie all the loose ends up.

It appears that Kim's gone psycho evilish...well that's what her looks were telling me. I would have laughed if Kate had been killed.

Just when you think Jack has actually obtained immortal status due to his incessant amount of energy he gets heart problems.

They actually mentioned another country besides the United States! And it was Turkey...hmm 24 seems to be pulling in a lot of references to what has been happening in the world.

Just rewatched the teaser, Marie said, "You think you'll be safe out there."

[Silent Bob]

[img]It appears that Kim's gone psycho evilish...well that's what her looks were telling me. I would have laughed if Kate had been killed.

Now that I think of it - one thing that bugged me was how the camera stayed on Kate, and played the 'evil' sounding music, making it sound like she was a bad guy. I didn't like that. I've actually grown to like Kate's character over the course of the season.

[David Lucas]

Now that I think of it - one thing that bugged me was how the camera stayed on Kate, and played the 'evil' sounding music, making it sound like she was a bad guy. I didn't like that. I've actually grown to like Kate's character over the course of the season.


Hey, I was starting to like Nina around up until around this time last year. I really liked Teri, despite her "Kim-ness" from the 1st season. And dear god, I LOVED George Mason. This show has a way of keeping the asses around and killin off the characters you like or making them asses.

Kim - turned into an annoying pair of breasts

Teri - died

Mason - died

Nina - turned into a caniving ***** that I guarantee is still alive

Sherry - turned into a caniving ***** that I guarantee will live

Mike - turned into a caniving ***** that I guarantee will live

Tony - Ok, he's the exception....for now....but he WAS a pretty big ass until about halfway last season

Kate's Sis - annoying girl that turned into a caniving ***** that I guarantee will live

Chappelle - started out as a decent person, then became the 3 most annoying ***** on the show

Carrie/Colleen/Whoever - Has become the "please get shot in the face" character for this season

The only decent people left are Jack, Kate, and Palmer. So either Palmer will die, Kate will be evil, or Kate will die. I swear to you though, if they pull a "Kim turns psychotic after 2 days like this and kills Kate" someone's gettin shot.

[DarkAngel]

http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/eek.gif I'm with the crowd on wondering how they'll have the time to tie all the loose ends up.
Same here. But they better get it done, because if they leave anything to be finished next season, I'm going to be seriously soured on the show. After all the filler, such as Kim's plotlines, and 23 episodes I'm ready for everything to resolved now.

And does anyone know if the writers have considered going with two 12-part stories for future seasons? That would still give them the opportunity to do larger stories, while tightening things a bit and eliminating the filler needed to drag the story out over a full season. IMO, the show could only improve if they did that.

[okendri]

Just thought of something about the Sherry and Alex stabbing. It remind me of the scene in Gridlockd where Tupac's and Tim Roth's character stab each other with a pocketknife thinking that will help them get into the hospital so they can get into rehab. Only they end up with superficial wounds after making a big deal about which remind me of Sherry when Jack came back.

[The Penguin]

Well I guess I ended up completely missing last week’s talkback, but I guess that’s just the way things work sometimes (although I so called Tony using ether on Chapelle—and was just joking). Now to this week…

24 is one of, if not the best show out there and it just keeps getting better each and every week. I don’t know how the heck it is all going to end in just one more hour. I sure hope it doesn’t feel rushed—it just seems like there is a lot left.

I think Mike is starting to realize the mistakes he made in dealing with President Palmer’s decisions regarding the war. He has been David’s friend and ally for over 20 years—that kind of thing doesn’t just go away in a matter of hours.

I hate Carrie too.

If David ends up regaining the presidency I have no doubt that Jack, Tony and Michelle will all be commended for not giving up the fight and well, being right all along. If the war can be stopped I refuse to believe Tony will go to jail for trying to help stop it.

This whole Sherry-Jack-Peter Kingsley thing is sure getting interesting. I just have no idea where anything or anyone is going to end up.

If season three is going to come back to this day, I’m guessing we won’t get even a semi-happy ending.