Toonami Legacy: Kids'WB's Toonami

[James Harvey]

That's right folks, hop over to this site's news page at http://www.searth.net/wfnews and read about the plans to split the new four hour Toonami over Cartoon network and Kids'WB!. It ain't good.

[killercroc]

Am I missing something? According to the article, it will stay on CN, but also be used on KidsWB! No less with their own titles. Sounds like the only thing that will change is that WB will air the same stuff it was gonna air anyway, but call part of it Toonami.

And the article doesn't even mention anything about losing Outlaw Star and Big O.

Is the fear that the KidsWB! attitude will get moved over to CN, or that DBZ and the like will be moved to the WB and censored even more?

I'm just not getting it.

[James Harvey]

Here we go.

Toonami will now be:
KIDS'WB! 3pm - 5pm and will consist of Jackie Chan, Cardcaptors, Pokemon, Pkoemon: Johto

CARTOON NETWORK 5pm - 7pm and will likely consist of DBZ, Batman(or Superman), Sailor Moon, Gundam

And Kids'WB! will have one or two slots during it's line up where various Cartoon network action shows will air. Cartoon Network will have a slot or two where various action shows will air.

This June, the first crossover will hapen when Cardcaptors will jump to CN for two weeks. Then, in the fall, the second crososver will happen when Samauri Jack will jump over to Kids'WB! for awhile. Various Toonami/action shows will pop in and out of the two networks.

Cool?

[killercroc]

Originally posted by DickGrayson


CARTOON NETWORK 5pm - 7pm and will likely consist of DBZ, Batman(or Superman), Sailor Moon, Gundam


Cool? [/B]

What about midnight run? Will they keep that? and if so what will the line up be.

If you don't wanna answer these, just let me know where to find the info, please.

[James Harvey]

Midnight Run will stay, thanfully, and it will keep the current DBZ/Big O line up for the foreseeable future.

[mxyzptlk]

i like toonami but i dont like kids wb anymore its like cn pick up all the good cartoons(batman&superman)wb throws away and why mess with a good thing i mean really. the only shows i still like on wb are mib batman beyond and zeta;)

[Inque]

at least maybe i'll get to see some cartoon network shows for once. might be good for those of us who are cable-deprived.

[Bubba]

Kids WB hasn't met a cartoon idea yet that it couldn't ruin.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by mxyzptlk
i like toonami but i dont like kids wb anymore its like cn pick up all the good cartoons(batman&superman)wb throws away and why mess with a good thing i mean really. the only shows i still like on wb are mib batman beyond and zeta;)

Yeah, this actually could be a good thing. WB has a history of debuting good toons and then letting them go. I don't think I need to quote examples on THIS board.

But maybe this will ensure that the good toons they let go will always have a home. And maybe even more episodes made. If JLA is going to be a part of Toonami this sounds even more likely. Anyone know if it will be?

[DR. BELCH]

King Greyson I speaks:
Midnight Run will stay, thankfully, and it will keep the current DBZ/Big O line up for the foreseeable future.
All well and good, but will new Big O eps be made, do you think? 13 shows isn't much of a rerun pool, and it'll stagnate pretty soon if they don't refresh it. Admittedly I've become smitten with Dorothy ever since I noted how humanlike she's become in "A Legacy of Amadeus" and "Lost Cat", and I'm hoping her evolution will be allowed to continue in another dozen eisodes at least.
If KWB treats the new shows responsibly it might be a good idea...but with editing and cross-promotion I have to worry. Conversely, with laxer editing rules, Cardcaptors might be allowed to show episodes unedited/unspliced and flesh out Sakura and Li a bit more by adding extra episodes into the rotation.

[Mr. Obsession]

Here are a few scenarios, and remember these are just take on the recent events:

1) While both networks share the name Toonami, the CN and the kWB have two separate versions. CN's version returns to the 3 hour length (actually it should happen this fall). Certain shows stay on their respective networks (DB/Z, Gundam, Batman&Superman on CN, Pokemon, Zeta, X-Men:Ev on kWB). Other shows (read: ones that would fit the feel of the other channel's bloc) make either temporary or permanent jumps BB and MiB would make excellent additions to CN's Toonami.

2) The changes are bad, very bad. Shows like DBZ (remember the first 2 seasons as done by Saban?) and Gundam, and others end up on kWB. Pokemon on CN's Toonami. The CN block remains at 2 hours.

3) Take version 2, but only the changes end up sending both blocks down in flames.

[Inque]

at least i could get to see some shows that i've never seen before because i don't have cable. but i'm just worried that if cn shows get shown on kwb, they might be edited really crappily. hmmm....crappily...is that a word?

[Vigo Sprax]

And I get to see shows I've never seen before since I don't get WB, of course they'll probably only bring crap over like Pokemon & Cardcaptors...

[redDragon]

Originally posted by Vigo Sprax
And I get to see shows I've never seen before since I don't get WB, of course they'll probably only bring crap over like Pokemon & Cardcaptors...

pokemon on CN? oh god no!!!! that'd be terrible!!!!

[mxyzptlk]

uh pokemon on cn. i am 14 and it upsets me to see people in my age group entertained by the show and its games. it always seems that to me cartoon network was made for older audiences since they dont show crap like that on cn.:rolleyes:

[Inque]

and i quote from one of the theme songs:

"We all live in a Pokemon world......"

[I.R Joey]

Very true Inque, very true. Let's hope for a quick end to this fad.

The things that really stinks here, is that Keilner (spell) and the higher ups at Turner don't understand what they may be doing to their ratings. Toonami is in fact aimed at an older demographic, I don't know if the fans will stand for this. I think that the people who where running Toonami knew what they where doing, and it was working for them. And let's not forget Bandai they won't be to happy if CN screws over their Gundam franchise.

[James Harvey]

I'd like to see JL be one of the shows that CN and KWB switch back and forth now and again. Both CN and KWB will have a slot on their schedule for rotating shows. Also, Timm said that their hour long shows can be split into 30 minute shows, making it perfect for a half hour slot on the KWB slot!

[double deedee]

This cross pollenation between Kids WB and Toonami would be a good thing in a perfect world. HOWEVER, I worry that the Toonami stuff will have to follow the stricter guidelines set by Kids WB's overzealous censors. It isnt unheard of since Toon Disney has to follow the tamer guidelines set by One Saturday Morning. Also keep in mind that the newer regime of Kids WB was governed over by Jamie Kellner, so his allegiance will probably be to support the evil edicts of the shrew that runs Kids WB and not the young turks and smart people that run Toonami. The people who run Kids WB could never have come up or support the concept of Toonami. In fact, they hate action adventure shows as evidenced by the lame offerings they've pawned off on us this season past. This new arrangement cannot bode well for the further evolution of Toonami, sorry to say.

[James Harvey]

Exactly! The die hard TOONAMI fans are worried that all the great Toonami shows will be edited down to nothing. But, honestly, how much more can show slike DRAGONBALL Z and GUNDAM WING be edited before they're just completely ruined? I don't think CN will have to follow KWB's guidelines, but if a CN shows airs on KWB, they may edit it down a notch. Cardcatpros begins on Toonami June 1st (http://www.searth.net/wfnews)

[I.R Joey]

Actually GundamW pretty much arrvied in one piece (and there was even an uncut version.)

However, you gotta be worried, I would state all my opinions but I already have in other threads. This may have very bad affects on all the kids today that will be the animators and writers of tommorow.

[James Harvey]

I agree. It seems like the heads of channels are forcing the writers to make these specifically for the children, when obviously show slike DBZ and the like aren't. I also think that's why animated features that aren't just for kids can be big, like SHREK. People are beginning to crave animaiton that's mature.

[James Harvey]

Kid'WB! has started advertising the upcoming Toonami block on Kids'WB! IT will begin on JUly 30th. WHile it will alter the weekday line-up in the fall, it's not entirely sure if the summer schedule (Batman Beyond/Pokemon/Pokemon/Batman Beyond) will be altered. The rumored schedule is:

3pm: Pokemon, 3:30pm: Cardcaptors, 4pm: Jackie Chan Adventures, 4:30pm: Batman Beyond.

Let the dissapointment begin!

[batboy2001]

Ahh, this is bad.:(

[Nightwing]

Oh yes. Yay....

Oh well, maybe Toonami will pick up once The Justice League blows the minds of those anime folks.

Plus at least we get ONE BB ep per day. Although personally, I would perfer twooo....

[JustJack]

God no.

Me likes BB, I likes Jackie Chan(It IS funny..), and..Cardcaptors isn't absolutely awful. Anyway..
It still isn't Toonami. Toonami was a pure action block made for the "FAN COMMUNITY". not for snot nosed brats. "Fan" & "kid" are two totally different audiences.

Because of this blight on the term "toonami", I firmly believe CN must do what it can to "Mature" the CN Toonami. how about "ToonaMi: The M is for Mature"? I know it sounds like crap, but hey, if CN is gona have an Adult Swim program(Kids shows with cussing), maybe Toonami can just bee more grown up kids shows, less cussing, and..more mature visuals(AS wont have adult visuals. The shows on it have been seen before. poor animation, and nothing racey).
What I wana see on Toonami this fall or spring:

Cowboy Bebop
JLA
DBZ/DBGT
Trigun
Battle Athletes(Hey, I like it!)
new Reboot
New Gundam

And I wana see the "In Flight Movie" back! only get some new cool movies! Like how about...

Tenchi Muyo in Love
Sailor Moon movies
DBZ NEW movies
Lupin the 3rd(I forget the name of that movie. But it's good)

It's really hard to think up good Anime movies that would be "o.k" for TV, but in the end, I strongly feel that those TV RATINGS are there for a reason. So while Outlaw Star may have been TV14 or something like that, parents still called in about the cussing. Stupid parents...stupid stupid stupid. Oh well..that's the world for ya.

[Flying Grayson]

Well I have heard that Mobile Suit Gundam and DragonBall will begin to air later this year on CN. Also I think Justice League will appear on the same station won't it.

[James Harvey]

None of the anime shows will likely air on CN becuase CN just has way less censors than KWB. here's no way half of those shows would survive on KWB. The Toonami block on Kids'WB! wil be the Kids'WB! version of Toonami, meaning only Kids'WB! except for the Friday "CN Rotation" slot.

[RockItShipper]

I can picture DBGT being picked up by KWB some years in the future if the line-up's still around. Most of what I've heard about the show is how it tried to use the DB brand name while pursuing more female viewers. The result's reportedly mixed, but it's an interesting experiment which may have better payoff on US network tv

[mxyzptlk]

looks pretty grim how could cn share a good block of time with a no good company like the wb.

[I.R Joey]

I still don't think that the Toonami people are all that happy about this. Notice, how Tom simply stands their silently as he arrives on the Lot (in the commercial mean.) Usually he's very talkative.

[James Harvey]

How can they share a block of time? Simple, CN & KWB are owned by the same company who thinks this will pay off big time, and it very possible it will. I heard the blocks will be unofficially labeled like this:

Kids'WB! 3 - 5pm Part 1
CN 5 - 7pm Part 2

I heard that there will also be some cross promotion for shows and clips of BATMAN and BATMAN BEYOND were used in those clips! Also their won't be any CN Toonami shows on KWB becuase the KWB Toonami block will be their version of the block, not an extension. I will tune in to see what it's like, but I'm not sure if I'll like.

[The Mad Hatter]

One small little observation... you know how a lot of Toonami promos flash the CN logo at the end very quickly, like a subliminal message? Well, when I last got a chance to catch Toonami last month, that changed. Now the subliminal flash is something to the effect of "Kids love it!"

Oy. Moltar was lucky to jump ship when he did. :)

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Both Mobile Suit Gundam and 08th MS TEAM will air on July 23rd, I think.

Like I warned Belch, Mobile Suit Gundam has appallingly dated animation, but if one warms to it, by the second half of the 43 episode show you will see why it was a landmark anime, considering it came out in 1979 when cartoons were still very simplistic in theme and tone.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by JustJack

It still isn't Toonami. Toonami was a pure action block made for the "FAN COMMUNITY". not for snot nosed brats. "Fan" & "kid" are two totally different audiences.


Those are my thoughts. They might can get away with calling it Toonami, but it's not Toonami to me. too na mi too me, too na mi to me(kind of hypnotic)

LLJ, I'm looking forward to the new Gundam. Since it's dated maybe they can run it uncensored. But, what's this 08th MS TEAM you're talking about? I haven't heard about that?

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by killercroc

Those are my thoughts. They might can get away with calling it Toonami, but it's not Toonami to me. too na mi too me, too na mi to me(kind of hypnotic)

LLJ, I'm looking forward to the new Gundam. Since it's dated maybe they can run it uncensored. But, what's this 08th MS TEAM you're talking about? I haven't heard about that?

I have a feeling the original will be relatively uncensored. There isn't a lot of nudity (if any) and the violence isn't graphically bloody. (Though when one major character bites the dust at the end of the series, it sure was grueling to watch even though it WASN'T Graphic)

8th MS TEAM is a 1995 Gundam mini-series set around the same period as Mobile Suit Gundam. While MSG takes place mostly on space colonies and the moon, the 1995 mini-series chronicles what happens on earth around this time, so the mecha fighting is mostly in jungles, deserts and Vietnam style villages. WARNING: A few things in this series contradicts facts in 1979's MSG. Like the fact that the Gundams look so modern and shiny in this show while the 1979 Gundams look, uh...quaint? 8th MS Team is basically like Platoon with a twist of Romeo and Juliet.

[James Harvey]

Anyways, I really think that Batman won the vote, so at least we'll get (sorta) two Batman show son the Toonami block, even if they are on two seperate networks. The thing that worried me is that this "is only the beginning". What else are they planning on here, besides attaching the networks at the hip?

[James Harvey]

Well, it premiered today. What's everyone opinion on it. I thought it good except for the laughably bad TOONAMI TRAX clip they had. The whole Toonami thing on KWB seems so cosmetic. on CN it was really Toonami. Here, it's just a new look for their commercial bumpers.

[Sveven Dvorking]

It is a tradition for Cartoon Network to air weekday afternoon "Toonami" shows. Airing some on Kids WB messes everything up.

[James Harvey]

I can agree there, too. Toonami IS Cartoon Network. Though now is seems to be a brand name whored out to bring in kiddie viewers.

[Vin]

I don't know how many people here are fans of Cartoon Network's Toonami programming block, but I sure am. Recently though, Toonami's quality has been on a decline after KWB's Toonami premiered. So, if you could, how would you program the KWB programming block, so that it would be worthy of the Toonami title? As for "Pokemon," I think it should remain on weekends and I guess replace one of the shows after the completed their runs.

Kids' WB!
3.0 PM - "Shadow Raiders/War Planets"
3.5 PM - "ReBoot"
4.0 PM - "Jackie Chan Adventures"
4.5 PM - "Superman: The Animated Series"

I'd also get rid of the KWB Toonami look and announcer and go with Cartoon Network's Toonami feel. I'd also go with the CN Toonami music videos and not the current KWB ones.

I don't really know what CN Toonami could get to make it better, however, I'd love for "Batman: The Animated Series" to return.

[Joe Tully]

Well, okay! How about we use KWB for my 4 fave Toonami shows that aren't currently on CN:

3:30 - Sailor Moon (I ain't so crazy about it, but I don't have much to choose from)

3:30 - Thundercats

4:00 - Tenchi

4:30 - BTAS



Yeah, maybe KWB is too wussy to put Tenchi in there. But they wouldn't be if I was running it! :p

[Vin]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Well, okay! How about we use KWB for my 4 fave Toonami shows that aren't currently on CN:

3:30 - Sailor Moon (I ain't so crazy about it, but I don't have much to choose from)

3:30 - Thundercats

4:00 - Tenchi

4:30 - BTAS



Yeah, maybe KWB is too wussy to put Tenchi in there. But they wouldn't be if I was running it! :p

I picked some of the lighter Toonami shows that aired on Kids' WB! Some episodes of "Superman" are pretty heavy stuff, but since it aired there before and since "Smallville" is currently airing, it would only make sense. "War Planets" is a show that aired in syndication for a year a few years back, however, it's second season was never shown here in America, but in Canada. I heard the show was very good and I think it would be a nice fit for Kids' WB! or perhaps, Cartoon Network. I'd perfer "Batman: The Animated Series" air in primetime on Cartoon Network, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

[Batman]

Well, if it were up to me, it would be a longer block.
They would show:

Back to the Future: The Animated Series

The Real Ghostbusters

Extreme Ghostbusters

Batman: The Animated Series

The New Batman Adventures

Batman Beyond

I'm a HUGE fan of both Back to the Future and Ghostbusters.

"Who 'Ya Gonna Call?"

[Dub]

I'd personally like for the weekday to remain with modern cartoons. But I JUST REALLY WISH that they had a weekend block of the classic action toons. :( Ghostbusters, GI Joe, Transformers, Jem.........OK maybe not that last one :D) But still...I just wish there was a weekend showcase for the classic action. That'd complement the daily MODERN action perfectly...

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

You know, they could really dump the last 5 episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam on the KWB toonami lineup for one week if they want to. Not that it's gonna happen, but some fans would LIKE to see them some day.

[Jeff Harris]

Well, I'd like to say that I'm a fan of Toonami. The one that airs on Cartoon Network, not the one that airs on KWB. It has a lot of potential, but unfortunately, it's just the weekday afternoon Kids' WB lineup with Toonami slapped on it.

If I was suddenly put in a position of power, this is how I'd change the KWB lineup to make it at least "feel" like Toonami rather than Kids' WB:

Kids' WB!
3.0 PM - "Sailor Moon"
3.5 PM - "ReBoot"
4.0 PM - "Jackie Chan Adventures"
4.5 PM - "Superhero Showcase" (which would spotlight the superhero shows from Warner Bros. Animation like Superman, Batman, Batman Beyond, and shows like X-Men: Evolution).

I agree with Vincent about getting rid of Jim Cummings and the bouncy "rave" music of KWB's Toonami. Give me the drum 'n bass of Joe Boyd Vigil anytime and the dark, calm voice of either Toonami's Peter Cullen or Kevin Conroy.

To make CN's Toonami better, I'd say return the third hour (from 5.0 to 8.0 EST every weekday), return Batman: The Animated Series to the lineup, and create a Friday-exclusive hour every week, which could be a short-run series or a brand new series at the 7.0 hour.

Of course that's me.

[Vin]

Originally posted by nemalki
Well, I'd like to say that I'm a fan of Toonami. The one that airs on Cartoon Network, not the one that airs on KWB. It has a lot of potential, but unfortunately, it's just the weekday afternoon Kids' WB lineup with Toonami slapped on it.

If I was suddenly put in a position of power, this is how I'd change the KWB lineup to make it at least "feel" like Toonami rather than Kids' WB:

Kids' WB!
3.0 PM - "Sailor Moon"
3.5 PM - "ReBoot"
4.0 PM - "Jackie Chan Adventures"
4.5 PM - "Superhero Showcase" (which would spotlight the superhero shows from Warner Bros. Animation like Superman, Batman, Batman Beyond, and shows like X-Men: Evolution).

I agree with Vincent about getting rid of Jim Cummings and the bouncy "rave" music of KWB's Toonami. Give me the drum 'n bass of Joe Boyd Vigil anytime and the dark, calm voice of either Toonami's Peter Cullen or Kevin Conroy.

To make CN's Toonami better, I'd say return the third hour (from 5.0 to 8.0 EST every weekday), return Batman: The Animated Series to the lineup, and create a Friday-exclusive hour every week, which could be a short-run series or a brand new series at the 7.0 hour.

Of course that's me.

I like your "Superhero Showcase" idea, Nem. However, with "Batman," "Superman" and "Batman Beyond" all scheduled to air on the block for the within the next few months, I wouldn't include them. "X-Men: Evolution" I can see airing on a weekday slot, rotating with some other superhero shows Kids' WB! has.

"Shadowraiders/War Planets" is reportedbly airing on a Showtime network now, so I suppose it could be replaced with another CGI show. I'd love to have "ReBoot" on the block as well, but would it be edited because of broadcast standards and practices, like when it was on ABC?

Although I'm not a huge fan of it, "Zoids" would be a great fit on the Kids' WB! weekday lineup. It's a bit more kid-friendly than current Toonami series.

I would not ever put "DragonBall Z" on Toonami, because it's already hacked up as it is and gets played too frequently on Cartoon Network.

If Kids' WB! could get "Digimon" for next season, when/if FOX Kids signs a deal with another company to program the block, it would be a great addition to the weekday block. I initially wasn't a fan of the series, but after seeing a few second and third season episodes, my opinion changed.

"Scooby-Doo," which will reportedbly air on Kids' WB! weekdays during Toonami, should, never, ever air on any form of Toonami block. If Kids' WB! intends to air it during weekdays, don't call it a Toonami block. Toonami is for the best action cartoons on television. "Scooby-Doo" certainly doesn't involve any action besides the Gang being chased by "monsters."

[Overkill of ASE]

It's easy to fix KWB Toonami, but it'd be even easier to just dissolve it completely. It would be nice if they turned it into a Toonami dumping ground, though.

[Zero Yuy]

It's easy to fix KWB Toonami, but it'd be even easier to just dissolve it completely. It would be nice if they turned it into a Toonami dumping ground, though.

Couldn't of said it better myself. :)

[William C. Maune]

[indent]I don't see a problem with Kids WB aiming for a younger audience, as long as they still show quality action toons and their programming does not affect the programming or editing of Cartoon Network Toonami shows. That being said I think the main things that needs to be done is do it right. Scrap the imitation Toonami and do it Cartoon Network style with intros, Williams St. videos, etc. based on their toons. Finally, I'd hire Williams St. some more quality employees so they would have time for everything.

[Polychrome]

Originally posted by The Batman
Well, if it were up to me, it would be a longer block.
They would show:

Back to the Future: The Animated Series

The Real Ghostbusters

Extreme Ghostbusters

Batman: The Animated Series

The New Batman Adventures

Batman Beyond

I'm a HUGE fan of both Back to the Future and Ghostbusters.

"Who 'Ya Gonna Call?"

Funny, I was thinking you were a Batman fan. ;)

I guess it could just be me though..............

[Jowy Blight]

I wouldn't fix it, I don't want a KWB Toonami. I'd just take the hour and put it back on CN's Toonami, I lost all hope on that network after the Batman Beyond: ROTJ edit/unedit problem.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
I wouldn't fix it, I don't want a KWB Toonami. I'd just take the hour and put it back on CN's Toonami, I lost all hope on that network after the Batman Beyond: ROTJ edit/unedit problem.

Yeah, I don't want a Kids' WB! Toonami as well. I don't like the block, so therefore I don't watch it. I was just suggesting how to make it better, and still use the Toonami name. My only problem with it is that it has the Toonami name, yet will be airing shows like "Scooby-Doo." "S-D" isn't action, is it?

I guess I'll just ignore the block. I know my two youngest brothers (who are 2 and 4) love "Scooby-Doo." Might as well let them enjoy it. They like a lot of the shows that I like (although, I didn't get them into Scooby), so I guess I'm somewhat fortunate in that respect. :D

[Jowy Blight]

Scooby-Doo really drags Toonami's name through the dirt. This just one of those times you wish you COULD change the KWB Toonami.

[Sir Gatts]

Originally posted by Overkill of ASE
It's easy to fix KWB Toonami, but it'd be even easier to just dissolve it completely. It would be nice if they turned it into a Toonami dumping ground, though.

Agreed.

[KingKoopa]

It would be easy to fix Kids WB's Toonami. Put it Williams Street in charge of it. Tell them that they should pick what to air, but it would have to appeal to the kids as well as the Toonami audience. They would be presented as normal promos, but there would be a Kids WB logo and a CN logo at the end of each promo to tell which network it's on (for the people who don't understand the timeslots). They could set it up like this.

3.0 - Card Captors rotating with X-Men Evolution
3.5 - Jackie Chan Adventures rotating with Yugi-Oh
4.0 - Superman rotating with Justice League and Zoids
4.5 - Batman rotating with Batman Beyond and Big O

Each show would have a full run before it was replaced by it's partner. There would never be a time that there was no Batman and no Superman at the same time. For example, Batman would run at the same time as Justice League and Zoids, but then it would be replaced by Batman Beyond and Big O. Remember, the guys in charge of the real Toonami would be behind this, so there would be intros, the real TOM and SARA voices, music from Toonami, and all that. Both would cross-promote each other. That way, it would be just like a 2-hour expansion, just on a different network, but now just as good.

[DScythe]

Get rid of it :D But I remember seeing that "War Planets" show. I only remember the name though heh

[Vin]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
It would be easy to fix Kids WB's Toonami. Put it Williams Street in charge of it. Tell them that they should pick what to air, but it would have to appeal to the kids as well as the Toonami audience. They would be presented as normal promos, but there would be a Kids WB logo and a CN logo at the end of each promo to tell which network it's on (for the people who don't understand the timeslots). They could set it up like this.

3.0 - Card Captors rotating with X-Men Evolution
3.5 - Jackie Chan Adventures rotating with Yugi-Oh
4.0 - Superman rotating with Justice League and Zoids
4.5 - Batman rotating with Batman Beyond and Big O

Each show would have a full run before it was replaced by it's partner. There would never be a time that there was no Batman and no Superman at the same time. For example, Batman would run at the same time as Justice League and Zoids, but then it would be replaced by Batman Beyond and Big O. Remember, the guys in charge of the real Toonami would be behind this, so there would be intros, the real TOM and SARA voices, music from Toonami, and all that. Both would cross-promote each other. That way, it would be just like a 2-hour expansion, just on a different network, but now just as good.

Wow, sounds like a pretty good plan. However, the possibility of these becoming reality is slim to none. Then again, you never know.

[Hollywood53]

Do you also suggest that KWB Toonami get rid of the shows original intros like what CN did with BB or keep them. That is one area that Kids WB is better in the shows (not Toonami) intros (entrance music).


My lineup (if I could control the lineup)

Toonami

3.0 Mobile Suit Gundam (1 week only)
3.5 Yu-Gi-Oh (this show looks to be KWB's future along with Pokemon)
4.0 Pokemon Indigo/Orange/Johto (In order)
4.5 Jackie Chan Adventures (everyone seems to like this show)



Of course KWB should return that 7-8 am (or 2-3 pm hour in NY/LA). To showcase other shows such as "Scooby-Doo" and "Rescue Heroes GRT" (although RH is action, barely).

[PeppeRaskell1]

1) Definitely get rid of "Scooby-Doo," and maybe put in The Powerpuff Girls (You ain't the only CN star who's got a movie coming out this year, Scoob!) :yakko:

2)Definitely keep "Pokemon" (this show put KWB on the map). :wakko:

3)Definitely put a DC series in like "Justice League" (that show just screams KWB!) :dot:

4)Definitely more of the stuff that makes "Toonami" Toonami (except for DBZ, of course!) :bosko:

[VinceA]

Maybe showing some of the earlier seasons of DBZ on KWB wouldn't be a bad idea (also add some mention of CN: "To see the further adventures of Goku & co tune to Cartoon Network's Toonami)

[BibidiBabidiBuu]

Why fix it, when it can just die

[William C. Maune]

[indent]Because it still be made into something good. The easiest way is not always the best way. What if Cartoon Network had cancelled Toonami back in the "Is Toonami a Failed Experiment?" days, thereby taking the easy way out, instead of continuing to work on it?

[VinceA]

Why fix it, when it can just die
Because the topic was a "how to" not a "what do you want to happen to".

I still think KWB/Toonami can be used as a gateway into CN/Toonami even if it's just a place to show 'worn out' shows (older DBZ, older SM, etc) along with a mix of traditional KWB stuff.

[BibidiBabidiBuu]

But the problem is, its been over what 5 months now and it still bad. Toonami back in the day didn't have much, they show what they have, but KWB is full of choices, you got the old Batman and Superman, X-Men, Cardcaptors, Static Shock plus some of the Toonami old fav that Toonami don't show anymore like my personal fav Johnny Quest.

But what do KWB do, 1 hr of Pokemon, 1 freakin HOUR, the problem is KWB is just using the Toonami name not actually trying to live up to it.

[William C. Maune]

[indent]The fact that it hasn't been improved has no bearing on whether it could be improved. There is always time to make something better.

[LStorm2000]

I don't there is anything to fix, but lots of stuff to be dumped :D. I say they just get rid of it and concentrate on getting a new look for themselves. Kids WB can manage their own block how they want.

[Zorakfan]

How do you fix KWB toonami?

The same way you fix a sick horse.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

http://www.fucinet.com/images/eps/sgep14.jpg
SHOOT IT!!!
SHOOT IT IN THE FACE!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[kurai akuma]

I think the Kids WB! Toonami is just a joke, but if it must hang around at least make it more like CN's Toonami already. And that means not airing stuff like Scooby-Doo, that's just ridiculous. I agree that something like Zoids would fit the bill for Kids WB! Toonami, even though it's a mindless waste of time. Probably the best way to fix it would be to junk the entire thing, at least that would stop the Toonami name from being dragged through the mud.

[Zenogias]

Can it, make it something like "Super Action Kids-WB"

[The Polisher]

Ahem...

If I could change the WB Toonami lineup, I would at least get the real voices for TOM and SARA. That's the thing about it that really bugs me.
Here is my lineup:

3:00 Batman Beyond
3:30 Zoids/Cardcaptors
4:00 Pokémon (kids just HAVE to get thier fix of that...)
4:30 Justice League

[VinceA]

Nice lineup except I'd move Pokemon to the top of the order. Plus I don't think there's enough Justice League to strip across 5 days yet (probably won't be for a while).

[PeppeRaskell1]

:dot: :dot:
Originally posted by VinceA
Nice lineup except I'd move Pokemon to the top of the order. Plus I don't think there's enough Justice League to strip across 5 days yet (probably won't be for a while).

No, but if we scream good and loud enough, there WILL be. :yakko: :wakko:

[VinceA]

Yeah but I don't mind them taking their time in making the episodes. You get a much better product :)

[Naraht]

Well, I'd probably move DB from CN to KWB....ASAP!
My lineup would then be
Pokemon
X:Men
Jackie Chan
Dragon Ball
Then over on CN's toonami, pick up w/DBZ/DBGT...

add some cross promotion...and life is Gude!

[Jimmy Kustes]

3:00 Earthworm Jim
3:30 X-Men Evolution
4:00 Freakazoid
4:30 Batman the Animated Series

[DarkMaster]

Let me give ya a clue on how much the original hates WB.
Go to www.toonamiarsenal.com, go to new downloads, new toonami stuff, and click on the promo tougher than the best, stronger than the rest.

we even went to the extent of not watching toonami shows on the WB. That's the revolution.

CN's toonami slogan their feeling is "Don't sleep on it!" basically tom slang for "Don't bet on it!"

As far as change goes on toonami?
for those that haven't seen the last toonami art promo tom2 did which was a couple of months ago.

Tom2 clearly states " i know your all asking can it get better than this?,let's just say toonami is going global, stay tuned..." followed by something they love to do...a follow up... <gene starwind> did i just hear what i think he said, followed by a serena whaaa?!? a We did it!!! and the outlaw star announcer "shout out, continue forward, this is only the beginning of history"

CNX's next update nemalki takes a look at the other toonamis around the world, as well his opinion on both networks, and perhaps if he's able to finish it a 2001 year in review. Stay tuned.

[Djm912]

Toonami would probably need a real dramatic show on KWB. Similar to how GW( :D ) was on CN.

I've been getting me into Yu-Gi-Oh lately *ducks rocks* and that could be the dramatic show.

[Hollywood53]

They are airing Pokemon in order from episode 1 starting Monday Jan 14 on KWB. If only CN could do the same for DBZ.

[Mr. Obsession]

But to my knowledge KidsWB has never run anything (including Pokemon) in any sort of order except random.

CN on the other hand runs DBZ by season and in order (so far there has been one mix-up). Unless you were referring to them just starting over from the beginning. I wish they'd do that, unless they're going to air "season" six soon.

[Hollywood53]

That's what I mean from episode 1, of course this also means that season 4 episodes won't be repeated until Static or another show runs out of episodes.

[Discloner]

Really?

WB doesn't air things in order?
I thought all Channels air things in order...so bad schedualling problems don't occur

Another bad thing about KWB, is the scooby doo here. The worst thing that can happen to toonami fans everywhere is one step closer...Scooby doo on Toonami! ::GASP::

Then again, it's not REAL toonami, but it's pretty darn close.

[Coollead]

Stop mentioning that! It hurts!

And, I remember Kids WB! Showing the first few seasons of Pokemon in order...eh..

[Supernovametalstar]

I've seen commericals for it. I guess the finally realized that the early episodes were the better ones (despite the newer ones still getting good ratings). Now if they'd just do something daring, like air the Porygon episode perhaps, then they could make an event out of it. Like what they did with the "lost" episode last summer. I'm sure they could air the banned episode if they slowed down the animation during the electric scenes, like they did with the first episodes of the series.

[KingKoopa]

Pokemon was shown in original order, at least it was at first up until after the Orange league.

[Discloner]

How many actual leauges are there until this weird kid, becomes a pokemon master?

[Zorakfan]

How is airing pokemon at ALL right?

[Calhoun07]

I may not be a fan of the show, but I would say airing any show in order from episode one on is a good thing.

[Hollywood53]

Originally posted by Discloner
How many actual leauges are there until this weird kid, becomes a pokemon master?

US Dates

Indigo League (9/98-12/99)
Orange League(12/99-10/00)
Johto League (10/00-??/??)
Advanced League(Unnamed Gameboy Advance anime)(??/??) Will Ash be in it, hope so.

Currently Ash is in the Johto league.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Hollywood53


US Dates

Indigo League (9/98-12/99)
Orange League(12/99-10/00)
Johto League (10/00-??/??)
Advanced League(Unnamed Gameboy Advance anime)(??/??) Will Ash be in it, hope so.

Currently Ash is in the Johto league.

I'm not a fan of "Pokemon," although I was when it first came to America. However, I don't see why they just end Ash's quest already and follow new people, or at least show Ash grown up. Oh well, I don't care for "Pokemon" anyway. I got tired of the show because it seemed like the same rehashed plot over and over.

[Discloner]

Ash will probubly be in all of them, at least till he becomes a pokemon master, i can't see them making him fail...

If he wasn't in a series, then i'd probubly be his son, or student, or something... I could be wrong

[Deltamon]

Ash will probubly be in all of them, at least till he becomes a pokemon master, i can't see them making him fail...



Nope nope nope, rumor has it that the Advance series is ***FINALLY*** going to shift on a new cast, meaning Johto may be the last time we see Katchem & the gang.


To be honest, I HOPE that rumor's true. I love Pokemon, but Katchem can have his Ash kicked to the inside of a cave full of hungry Ursarings for all I care :mad: :p :mad:

[Dark Spider]

I used to be a big fan of Pokemon when it first came to America. I think I'll actually watch the old episodes for nostalgia.

I remember back when Ash sounded like he had something in his mouth, instead of sounding like a girl. I remember back when the plots were fresh. I remember back when Brock had a much deeper voice and he was VERY knowledgable (sp?) about pokemon compared to now. I remember back when Team Rocket were semi-smart compared to now. So many memories, I can't wait for the old episodes now.

[ccffan01]

just Eliminate it

[Hollywood53]

By the time Johto ends it will have more episodes than both Indigo and Orange combined (116 or 118 with specials and lost episodes).

[CC-sama]

The Pokemon craze *still* isn't dead yet? :( ...nuts. More doppleganger shows in my future. :rolleyes:

Oh well, least KWB is being so kind as to put it in order. :)

[JohnCrichton]

Heh, like Power Rangers some things are just forever........ ;)

[CC-sama]

Originally posted by JohnCrichton
Heh, like Power Rangers some things are just forever........ ;)

I guess! Geeze... :p

[JohnCrichton]

^_^\/

[Ben]

"Stop mentioning that! It hurts!"

What? The KWB isn't the REAL TOONAMI?

:rolleyes:

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Yes!! It's beena LONG time since i've seen that first Episode of Pokemon, featuring Ash with that raspy voice. I guess you guys can label me the 17 year old pokemon nut here.. taht show rocks, now if only i acn forget that awful Orange Leauge I'll be all good.

"We don't battle our pokemon in this leaugue..we do contest of skill"

What the heck were they on ??? I didn't dig this thing until the stadium battles.

[The Polisher]

KWB (Toonami) is doing something right?

Is it possible to use those words in a sentence like that?

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Yep, a .356 and some bullets would take care of the horror that is KWB Toonami.

[Crickett]

The way to fix KWB: Toonami?



Take the Toonami part out and add an extra hour to Toonami on Cartoon Network. Everybody will be a lot happier that way.


4:00: Zoids/Big O/Outlaw Star
4:30: Superman
5:00: Batman/Batman Beyond
5:30: Various Gundam shows
6:00: Dragonball/Tenchi Muyo
6:30: Dragonball Z


12:00: Dragonball Z
12:30: Big O/Outlaw Star/Gundam Wing


Friday
5:00: Reboot
5:30-7:00: Animated Movie

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Is it possible to use those words in a sentence like that?
No. Not at all.

[Zorakfan]

It's unpossible.

[RogueMartian]

I am labelled the 20 year old pokemon fan. I love ash and the gang. Even so, I'll admit the show needs to be wrapped up, but it will still make me sad to see Ash go.

I don't understand why everyone is so against the newer episodes. As far as children's cartoons, pokemon is by far one of the better ones. The show constantly acknowledges its reuse of characters and plots, and makes fun of itself all the time. If possible, Brock has gotten even weirder around girls. (The tea ceremony episode is a great example of that). I'm not saying that everyone has to love the new episodes, but that perhaps they should consider cutting the show a little slack. The old episodes are classic, but the new ones are good too. I like to collect quotes and I just love the quotes in pokemon, and some of the best ones of the series have occurred in the last two seasons:

Here are just a couple of examples off the top of my head:
(I can't remember the exact episode names, sorry)
[James appears in a moltres costume]
Meowth: That costume...where'd he get it?
Jessie: It probably came out of his closet.
-pokemon fortune book episode

James: So the space program DOES have a purpose!
-sprout tower episode

(As an avid shakespeare fan, I couldn't leave these ones out)
Ash: Into the Breach, Pikachu!
-air time(from " Henry V")

Misty: Something smells rotten in goldenrod
-air time(from "Hamlet")

[James Harvey]

While KWB Toonami may be doing something right with POKEMON by finally airing them in order, I stil lthink they made a big mistake with having Scooby on there. I really think they should rename the KWB Toonami to Toonami Lite.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

How about:
"Kids WB Toonami: This is what happens during a Merger"

[Zorakfan]

ROFL

[The Polisher]

Here we go:
KBW Toonami: The horrible bastard child of two program blocks.

[Coolguy74]

KWB is skipping episode 18 "Beauty and the Beach"(Lost Episode: hasn't been seen in US since 2000)

and episode 19 "Tentacruel and Tentacool" (hasn't been seen in US since 1999)

Maybe Pokemon should air on CN (Toonami or not) so those episodes can be seen again.

[Zorakfan]

Why aren't they airing them? Did pikachu suffer from a seizure while performing acts of incredible violence?

[The Polisher]

They probably think that the tentacool taking over the city is like a terrorist attack, so the bigwigs decide to can the episodes, so they can be as P.C. as they can be.

[Zorakfan]

What was the beasch one about? Kung fu sex? Electrodes whom self-destruct, and dubbed suicide bombers? More seizures?

[Hollywood53]

Originally posted by The Polisher
They probably think that the tentacool taking over the city is like a terrorist attack, so the bigwigs decide to can the episodes, so they can be as P.C. as they can be.

That episode(#19) was kicked long before WTC, like 2 years earlier than that.

#18 was a lost episode and is treated as such. It only aired twice on Kids WB and no other country outside of Asia has seen this on television. Not even in Canada. 30 seconds of footage(James Breasts) was cut and WB had to show their logo for a while during the commercials.

[Supernovametalstar]

Dang, I knew I should have recorded that episode when I had the chance.

[Zorakfan]

Wait, wait, wait....James' breasts?

<whirrrr....beep>
DOES NOT COMPUTE

I thought he was male, but he was 1. gay or 2. Enjoyed crossdressing a helluva lot. Did he get transplants? Was this a very special episode of Pokemon about the dangers of breast implants? Where's my chocolate milkshake?

[Vin]

Originally posted by Zorakfan
Wait, wait, wait....James' breasts?

<whirrrr....beep>
DOES NOT COMPUTE

I thought he was male, but he was 1. gay or 2. Enjoyed crossdressing a helluva lot. Did he get transplants? Was this a very special episode of Pokemon about the dangers of breast implants? Where's my chocolate milkshake?

Guys, please stay on-topic. Thanks! :)

[Wyloms]

Originally posted by Hollywood53
They are airing Pokemon in order from episode 1 starting Monday Jan 14 on KWB. If only CN could do the same for DBZ.

Do you know how many episodes there are for DBZ if they started over it would take a long time to get back to the Majin Saga..

[The Polisher]

Originally posted by Wyloms


Do you know how many episodes there are for DBZ if they started over it would take a long time to get back to the Majin Saga..

Yeah, about a year...

[Jeff Harris]

I had to take this one pill every other for two weeks that not only numbs the pain, but also knocks me out in the process. I stopped taking the pills this week (just in time for my birthday), but I think it caused a hallucination that I just can't seem to avoid. It began last Friday, as I was half-asleep. I stopped clicking and heard a Scooby-Doo-like yelp on my TV.

"Must be around 3," I thought, thinking I kept the channel on Cartoon Network. Like I said, I was half-asleep, when all of a sudden, I heard that loud bouncy music that sounded a lot like that annoying music from Kids' WB's version of the Toonami block. I sprang up, eyes squinted on my alarm clock, saw the time as 3:42 PM. As soon as I sprang up, I plopped back down again, sleeping until about 5 something, when Tenchi was on (whoo-hoo!).

Now, I'm hoping it was just the drugs, because I don't think that any semirespectable organization would actually let this happen.

I mean, come on. Scooby-Doo really isn't on Kids' WB's Toonami, is it?

IS IT?!?

[VinceA]

I hate to tell you this but yes - here's the KWB/"Toonami" lineup for today:

3:00 Pokemon: Here Comes the Squirtle Squad
3:30 Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!: A Clue for Scooby Doo
4:00 Pokemon: Mystery at the Lighthouse
4:30 Jackie Chan Adventures: Bullies

[Dark Spider]

It took a few days for me to get used to it. I never thought I'd see the day that Scooby's actually on Toonami (KWB's Toonami).

There may be a clue for Scooby-Doo today, but there will never be a clue for Toonami. They had better get a clue VERY SOON!

[Wilco911]

I suspect Kellner.

DA-DA-DAAAAAAA!!

Eep. :eek:

::runs out as various pots and pans are thrown at him::

[Killtacular]

Actually, you're right.

This is actual Kellner at work. For the first time, you can say "Ooh, that Kellner!" and be right about it! :)

Kellner's wanted Scooby on his network for a very long time. WB already got to animate the DTV movies, so the animated series in the fall is just the next step.

[KingKoopa]

But wait! There's more! I hope it's not enough of a shock to kill you, but they're making a new Scooby Doo series for Kids WB and Cartoon Network as a Cartoon Cartoon and Kids WB (Toonami) show.

[Weatherman]

No Jeff, that's not the drugs, but I kinda wish it were. Oooooooooooooo, numbness.........

[Kymori]

Heh, I usually don't do this unless I'm somewhere else on the net but there's a time and place for everything and this one's time has come.




*Screams and cracks atoms, vaccuums, the earth, space, stars, and our eardrums to prevent us from hearing the horrible thought of the mutt on a block it should have never seen*

[JohnCrichton]

Kids WB is not Toonami!!!!!!!

I wish they'd quit saying that!

Everytime I tune and and watch, it makes me growl when I see the Toonami logo.

It's like watching the latest series of Star Trek to see them calling it Enterprise, Babylon 5!!!!! only you see the B5 symbol at commercial breaks and it's at the bottom of the screen.

NO f!-ing POINT!!!

There for, KidsWB just makes themselves look worse, and Toonami.... well, its got its own problems.

[Discloner]

I tried to tell you guys....I saw it coming!!!

First Scooby-Doo on KidsWB, it was only a matter of time till it ended up on toonami..the first sign it was going to happen was when i say the commercial of Shaggy saying the word Toonami.....

....It sent sudders down my spine.

Now we can no longer say, scooby-doo on toonami? HA!

(altho i think our REAL Toonami is quite safe, after all we'd riot like there's no tomorrow if that happened.)

[Vin]

Originally posted by nemalki
I had to take this one pill every other for two weeks that not only numbs the pain, but also knocks me out in the process. I stopped taking the pills this week (just in time for my birthday), but I think it caused a hallucination that I just can't seem to avoid. It began last Friday, as I was half-asleep. I stopped clicking and heard a Scooby-Doo-like yelp on my TV.

"Must be around 3," I thought, thinking I kept the channel on Cartoon Network. Like I said, I was half-asleep, when all of a sudden, I heard that loud bouncy music that sounded a lot like that annoying music from Kids' WB's version of the Toonami block. I sprang up, eyes squinted on my alarm clock, saw the time as 3:42 PM. As soon as I sprang up, I plopped back down again, sleeping until about 5 something, when Tenchi was on (whoo-hoo!).

Now, I'm hoping it was just the drugs, because I don't think that any semirespectable organization would actually let this happen.

I mean, come on. Scooby-Doo really isn't on Kids' WB's Toonami, is it?

IS IT?!?

I wish it were only drug induced hallucination. Poor Jeff, gone so long, missed so much. He returns to KWB and finds Scooby Doo airing on the "Toonami" block.

With Toonami on KWB not pulling high in the ratings department, I don't expect it on KWB next season. One could only wish...

[Sir Gatts]

What they say is true. It was going to happen sooner or later.
"Ooh, that Kellner!"

[Kymori]

When is Kellner's term up anyways? Does he have like a certain time to be evil and ruthless and then someone else is picked or how does that all work?

[Vin]

Originally posted by Kymori
When is Kellner's term up anyways? Does he have like a certain time to be evil and ruthless and then someone else is picked or how does that all work?

Jamie Kellner owns 11% of The WB Network, in addition to being in charge of all the Turner networks. It's safe to say that he'll be at Turner for a looooong time.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Originally posted by Vincent Benenati
Jamie Kellner owns 11% of The WB Network, in addition to being in charge of all the Turner networks. It's safe to say that he'll be at Turner for a looooong time.
Unfortunately. :mad:

[DarkMaster]

i just looked at the toonami trax once on that fateful day long ago, said heh. And immediately watched dexter and ed edd and eddy re-runs forever.

i even banned myself for watching 2nd season of cardcaptors, as well as other shows. I watch digimon faithfully. Did i mention i hate kellner and the WB's guts :D

[Kymori]

Did i mention i hate kellner and the WB's guts

You and most everyone else bud :mad:

[StrangerAtaru]

Well how are you going to watch Digimon reruns considering that they don't have weekday Fox Kids anymore and the reruns are not returning until March on ABC Family?

As for the mutt on Toonami, I agree with JC on that. There might be some potential shows on that block, but it is undeserving of the Toonami name. But we are crossing our fingers that they dump the name in the next year or so, just like they did with the Fraturday monstrosity.

[Artemis]

A drug-induced hallucination? Nope. Nut they were sure ODing on drugs when they came up with this decision.

When will the hurting stop?

[Mr. Obsession]

Originally posted by Kymori
When is Kellner's term up anyways? Does he have like a certain time to be evil and ruthless and then someone else is picked or how does that all work?

Like Vincent mentioned he'll be there a long time. The only way he'll vacate to position is if he retires, steps down, pisses off the AOL-TimeWarner shareholders so much that they move to have the board of directors fire him, or there's another takeover and they're swallowed up by an even bigger company.



As for Scooby, I wouldn't worry about him ever coming to the real Toonami. Well as long as Williams ST. is in charge of the block. (They're still in charge right? Please tell me they still have control over the block.) Besides, hasn't the new Scooby toon already been announce that it would be a Cartoon Cartoon when it airs on CN (since it's going to be airing on both networks at roughly the same time)?

[Sumi_Masen]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
But wait! There's more! I hope it's not enough of a shock to kill you, but they're making a new Scooby Doo series for Kids WB and Cartoon Network as a Cartoon Cartoon and Kids WB (Toonami) show.



WHY!!!!!???????????

Why does this have to happen?!!! :(

[Deltamon]

*siiiigh*

I can only imagine what the next AbStat cover is gonna look like-with a picture of Kellner holding the Mutt by a blue leash an' grinnin' from ear to ear as he stands on top of the Toonami logo, poor TOM 2 hidden in the back in the shadows.


And a nice, red transparent bullseye smack dab on K's noggin.


Yes, I'm feelin' dark :cool: :D :D

[William C. Maune]

[indent]At least the new Scooby Doo series is original material and not more Scooby reruns. It could be good. It is from modern day Warner Bros. animation which has been putting out great work since 1989.

[CC-sama]

As I said... you have quite a bit of catching up to do animation-wise, Jeff. ;)

The 7th Seal has been broken. "Come" :)

[Sir Gatts]

I'm looking forward to another CNX'S: KWB Toonami HFIL soon. :)

[Polychrome]

Hey! Why don't we all collectively go buy as much AOLTW stock as we can and take control of the company?

*evil laughter*

*notes strange looks*

Well, I *did* say it was a stupid idea. :)

[Coollead]

I have enough money for aboiut 0.0000002%!! Now if only that was worth anything...

[Galaxia]

Originally posted by VinceA
I hate to tell you this but yes - here's the KWB/"Toonami" lineup for today:

3:00 Pokemon: Here Comes the Squirtle Squad
3:30 Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!: A Clue for Scooby Doo
4:00 Pokemon: Mystery at the Lighthouse
4:30 Jackie Chan Adventures: Bullies

NOO!!!!! Scooby Doo is taking over EVERYTHING!!!!!

[Vin]

Originally posted by SpikeJet143


NOO!!!!! Scooby Doo is taking over EVERYTHING!!!!!

Scooby to Shaggy: Today Kids' FubbaBooBee, Tomorrow da world, rararaararara!
Shaggy: Somebody's been eating too many Scooby snacks....

[Coollead]

I don't know whether to laugh or be scared....

[HoloRimmer]

Originally posted by Coollead
I don't know whether to laugh or be scared....

Fear the worlds dumbest dog! Be very afraid ... or he'll come to your home! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[Naraht]

KidsWB "Toonami" is ticking me off....

this is like the 4th time I've seen this JCA episode...

It's not THAT good...and there are SOME eps that I've only seen once (or not at all)...

Why can't they air JCA in order (perferably Logical order, rather than air date order - They added episodes which fit in between other eps [Like the time travel ep])???

ARG!!!

One More Thing...if you HAVEN'T seen JCA, turn on your TV!

One More Thing! Uncle isn't in this one, so it stinks...=D

[Sango]

I know what you mean! I just started watching JCA in December, but it was hard for me to really follow the whole thing because they were out of order. Fortunately, I think I've figured out what's going on, but it's still confusing at times. >.<

About today's episode, I also noticed Uncle wasn't on. :( And what about Valmont? Do they not show him that often in the 2nd season or what? :\ I guess I'm still trying to figure out what's going on....

BTW, I just wanted to tell you that I like your avatar. ;)

[Hollywood53]

They will be showing the season 2 episodes in order next week (forget that some will be out of order, those are the filler episodes) from 201 - 212 with some extra stuff between. First Pokemon, now Jackie Chan in order, maybe KWB is getting better.

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

I'm sure this has been said before, but I want to say it now, Toonami on Kids WB weekdays is a joke. All it mostly is is just the main CGI Intro, main outro, and comercial breaks. At the begining, they had a chance to make this idea great by showing shows from the cool block, like they did with DBZ, but they did it stupid, and not only just show random episodes of DBZ, but boring eps as well.(they should have shown some of their best eps) I know that there's those Toonami Tracks but those music vids are definetly not Toonami style.(it may work if they show the music vids from the original cable Toonami block)

They fail to see what made Toonami a hit, and thought it was all about the Intro, outro, comerical breaks.(and those were even stupid rip-offs) It was all about the shows, if they would have showen DBZ, Reboot, Thundercats, and other shows like that, have cool custom intros and comercial breaks for each show, have those cool Music vids, and game reviews, then it would actually work.

Who here agrees with me?

[Orion_of_Chaos]

I think it was a good idea in the beginning, before they actually put it on the air...
Then they said what shows would be shown, and it all went to hell...
I'm happy that at least they're gonna put Yu-Gi-Oh! on the block, no matter how bad the dub is...
other than that, it's all crap...
they should have put better shows on from the good block, but they didn't...
even more spite I aim towards Kids WB...

[kawaii_cherrychan]

KidsWB should stick on the shows that got bumped off Toonami when the third hour was eliminated. And Gundam show that have already had their run on Toonami.

My suggestions: Gundam Wing and Sailor Moon. (please start from ep. 1 with SM)

[Incardine]

I don't even GET Kid's WB in my area, so none of this applies to me. :P

[Djm912]

Ah. . .to see Gundam Wing again. . . .

[SupremeDragon]

I am not too thrilled with the Kids' WB! Toonami Block. Personally I think they ran out of ideas and took the original Toonami idea. Doesn't it make sense? Look, why didn't Kids' WB! want to make their block a Toonami block before? Why now? All the shows Kids' WB! is airing on their so called "Toonami Block," are not meant to be called anime. I mean Scooby Doo, and Jackie Chan Adventures? I think it was a mistake for CN to give away their unique idea to Kids' WB!

[Sheamon]

They fail to see what made Toonami a hit, and thought it was all about the Intro, outro, comerical breaks.(and those were even stupid rip-offs) It was all about the shows

Exactly. Which is what I've been saying all along and has been proven with the Kids WB thing. Toonami isn't good because of Tom. Toonami isn't good because of the Absolution, or the fanart segment, or the video game review segment, or the custom made music videos, or Tom's little 'speeches', etc... Toonami's good because it uses good shows. As obviously shown by the WB version with its horrible shows, Toonami is good and gets high ratings because of high quality shows. Everything else is window dressing.

[SSJ_Gogeta]

You have no idea how much I hate Kid's WB weekdays. I won't go off on a rant, or anything, as I have done that once on this board.

I will say this though:

Taking the outer shell of Toonami, and slapping it over shows like Scooby Doo, and Pokemon does not make you Toonami. I just hope that one day they see that taking an idea from someone, and trying to make it your own is not the best of ideas.

Long live the real, true, and great Toonami.

[Albright]

Le sigh... does anyone have anything new to say? :yawn:

[hdofu]

What I wonder about is what would have happened had they got a network? (Originally they were thinking of going the way they did with Boomerang) :confused: Guess I'll never know. http://www.boomspeed.com/icon/bawling.gif

[Elessar]

I have yet to watch this, and I doubt I ever will.

[mysticssjjoe]

the toonami on WB needs to go away so all of us true toonami faithfulls would be happy :)

[Ashton Anchors]

All I need to say is...PUT ON SHOWS THAT HAVE NEW EPISODES AVAILABLE!!! :mad:

[Orion_of_Chaos]

yu gi oh has new episodes available, and its going to the Kids WB toonami sometime soon...
hell, the series hasn't even finished in Japan...

[Naraht]

I'll put my controvercial two cents in here...

One rant is there's no anime....Toonami isn't an anime block, it's an Action block. There's a diffrence.

That said, yes, Scooby does NOT belong there, JCA Does, Xmen Ev. & Static would round out that block nicely...with 1/2 for Pokemon to start to keep the WB happy.

The branding doesn't bother me, as much as the piss poor way they've done it....

either DO it, or don't..not the 1/2 ass way they've done so currently.

there needs to be some cross promotion...otherwise, what's the point...Kids're gonna watch KidsWB regardless of the Branding, so they need to promote the CN Block...& Vice Versa.

[Hollywood53]

Originally posted by Ashton Anchors
All I need to say is...PUT ON SHOWS THAT HAVE NEW EPISODES AVAILABLE!!! :mad:

The only shows the KWB has that could air new episodes everyday would be Pokemon, Jackie Chan and Possibly Yu-Gi-Oh

Of course next season Jackie Chan no longer is in Pokemon's league as the series is only renewed with 13 instead of 39 episodes.

KWB will not waste episodes on weekdays unless it is a special thing (new JCA on Mondays becasue of lagre season, Cardcaptors leaving with 6 episodes needed to be burned off)

[Silly Me]

Yeah, I agree that the so-called "Toonami" block on KWB is a joke. It's just the same old KWB block as always. The only real difference is that it has our uncle TOM on the logo. Oooooh, big deal. :-I~

And since there's no real point of having a bunch of Toonami graphics and not the block itself, KWB might as well just take it off. After all, CGI effects cost money, and by taking the Toonami graphics off their block, KWB can really save a lot of money to buy more show licenses and stuff.

But I wouldn't wanna blame KWB for their mistakes, because you know just exactly who is really to blame for all this... :mad:

[razorblade]

take it off kids wb

[RogueMartian]

Okay, KWB Toonami, edit #1 DELETE IT ENTIRELY, TURN IT BACK TO KIDSWB

Okay, since we all know that my first edit is NEVER going to happen, here's what I think the perfect schedule would be.

3:00 Pokemon (Its a popular show and I like it)
3:30 Ghostbusters (if they have to bring an old show back, this one would be a LOT better than Scooby Doo)
4:00 A new kids anime show
4:30 Jackie Chan Adventures

With that schedule I would be happy. I don't mind that they call the KWB block toonami, since I don't consider it toonami it doesn't matter anyway. But it is for kids and the REALLY good toonami shows should stay on CN. One more thing, The mutt needs to die, I hate scooby.

[Anubis C. Soundwave]

1. Scooby needs to EXIT, stage right. NOW.

2. Put action shows on this "Toonami". Rescue Heroes is fine, believe it or not. Pokemon may stay--at a 1/2 hour, in order. Jackie Chan, Static Shock, X-Men EVO, and Yu-Gi-Oh are all action packed. Rotate them.

3. Make Friday special with a KWB Toonami version of the In-flight Movie. Pokemon has three movies; the World's Finest three-parter could reair there. (I watched KWB when they first premeired it.)

4. Cummings may stay, if he uses his less zippy voice. However, that music, the bright logos--it all has to go.

5. Detailed promos for the series would be nice, but not necessary.

6. A small pointer to CN's Toonami. :)

[mysticssjjoe]

get rid of it, nuff said

[JohnCrichton]

Fire Kellner and give Sean Atkins his spot.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I figured you guys would say stuff like "kill it". First off theirs a reason that it's the number 1 kids block..Because KIDS like it. Many of you are not kids. So many of you are being selfish when you say kill it.

But on the topic, I think that they should just stick to the weekend block and get rid of the weekday stuff, or like JC suggested replace Kellner. They need to separate, instead of trying to combine.

[TylerL]

Dear Jamie Kellner,

My name is [name] and I am 15 years old. Well out of your target age range for KidsWB. I don't watch KidsWB either. I would like it if you take Toonami off KidsWB because I don't like it.

Thank you.
[name]...see how stupid that sounds?

[SupremeDragon]

Personally, I think that Kids' WB! is a channel for younger audiences and not for mature audiences (MY OPINION) Even though I like Yu-Gi-Oh! I mean the idea of Toonami on Kids' WB! makes me feel like throwing up. I think Kids' WB! should think of their own ideas and leave other great kid channels alone. I said this before and I will say this again: "Scooby Doo is NOT ANIME!!!!!"

[Supernovametalstar]

Is the weekend block for KWB considered "Toonami" on KWB like the weekday block is?

But I haven't watched the weekday KWB since I got my precious cable back two months ago. I still watch the Saturday (Sunday where I am) version of KWB and tape certain shows when they are new, but other than that, mornings are a time for sleep for me now.

On a side note, who thinks this new ABC Family block consisting of old X-men, Power Rangers, Spiderman, and Medabots will offer some challenge to KWB in the markets that has the two blocks competing (like Chicago)?

[TylerL]

Originally posted by SupremeDragon
I said this before and I will say this again: "Scooby Doo is NOT ANIME!!!!!" ...who said it was?

[Anubis C. Soundwave]

1. TOONAMI is not the Anime Superblock, nor was it intended to be. It's simply a rotating block of action cartoons from as many countries as possible.

2. KidsWB Toonami is for... kids. :)

If you read my suggestion earlier, you'd see that it doesn't take much to show that KWB Toonami is a Toonami block...for younger viewers that can't handle Outlaw Star and the Gundam sagas just yet. It's like Nick Jr.--at least, that's how it should be.

My list of KWB improvements would accomplish that effect.

But no...Scooby Doo must air. :x :x The other shows at least have characters having an adventure; Pokemon even has recurring villains who cause trouble and make it double. And...it's anime.

Let Kellner keep his job. Let the kiddie ACTION shows comprise a KWB Toonami block. But please, eliminate NON-ACTION shows like Scooby from the block. It's not that hard.

Just put the dog in Boomerang. Or on Nickelodeon. >D Or to sleep.

I don't know, but Scooby on there was like Detenion and Degeneration NO on KWBT when it first launched. >:

Yu-Gi-Oh. Pokemon. Jackie Chan. Rescue Heroes. Static Shock. X-Men: Evolution. Six action shows to choose from, and they play one, overplay one, and the remaining show is...Scooby Doo?

Common Sense, WHERE ARE YOU!?

[Chris Sanders MSX]

"I still watch the Saturday (Sunday where I am) "

Yeah It's on Sunday here too (with us both being from Chicago) I've always wondered about that. How come in certain places Kids WB is on Saturadys competing with other stations and then here It's on Sunday going up against um... Church programs ?

[kawaii_cherrychan]

Here's my idea for saving KidsWB Toonami:

3:00 Yu-gi-oh
A good show to lead off with and catch the kids' attention.

3:30 Pokemon
It IS KidsWB, so Pokemon would be included no matter what.

4:00 Sailor Moon (all 159 dubbed episodes)
When Sailor Moon aired for two weeks in September (actually one week due to 9/11) the show did very well. For kids who wouldn't normally watch Sailor Moon, they'd probably watch Pokemon, and watch SM while they're waiting for...

4:30 Gundam (rotating series)
There are a lot of Gundam series, I'd start with Gundam Wing, since it's been off the air for the longest time. Then I'd show the original series. (all the way to end!)

My final suggestion is to air the KidsWB Toonami block Monday-Thursday. On Friday, KidsWB non-anime cartoons would be shown, although Pokemon will probably air on that day too.

As for getting rid of KWB Toonami, I don't think that's a good idea. The block has potential, it just needs to live up to that potential.

[RomanticOtaku]

Now putting Toonami on a regular broadcast network is a GREAT idea. It'll gather lots of new fans to the block, but the idea of the announcer saying "Now back to Toonami on Kid's WB!" really bothers me. Keep Toomami there, but don't put under the Kid's WB label. Basically, keep the block and the CN in charge of that small timeslot on regular broadcast.

[DarkMaster]

Let Sean control both blocks, some CN some WB.

[Gary L Thompson]

First and foremost, eliminate all this crud about mixing episode order and skipping episodes, and putting a show on for a week or two, and then yanking it off. (Prime example: Cardcaptors).

Second, use the block as a promotional springboard for CN Toonami. (Otherwise, what is the point about calling it Toonami at all? It's certainly not luring CN viewers over to WB.) In fact, why not have a feature spot, in which Tom highlights Toonami blocks from around the globe?

Third, as others suggested, treating it like a CN Toonami Jr., specializing in action shows, but aimed at a younger age group. Yes, Pokemon should serve as the heavyweight anchor to the block in the same way DBZ does for its CN counterpart. All 159 Sailor Moon episodes should be here to lend variety to the block. (Couple of suggestions: why not air some "lost Sailor Moon" episodes from the DIC seasons, just as was done with Pokemon? Or alternate in the Sailor Moon slot series of similar ilk, like Super Pig, Magical Project S, or Magic Knights Rayearth). Computer 3-D animation like Reboot or Shadow Raiders/War Planets would be great. Superman does make a great deal of sense with Smallville running in prime time, and could be alternated with other superhero shows. Power Puff Girls could also make great sense in wake of their upcoming movie, and they have never been exposed to the non-cable TV audience. Move non-action shows like Scooby to the early morning or 2-3 p.m. Kids WB slots (if they want to use old shows like Scooby, get some of the '80s classic actioners--Galaxy Rangers would probably blow away many of today's viewers). Seek out new anime actioners, less intense than you would see on CN Toonami. (Zoids and Dragonball would be good. Even in its heavily-edited form, like many OAVs Tenchi just isn't suitable for a kids block, but the tamer TV series Universe and Tokyo might be--Magical Project S would be ideal for the WB audience if a dub could be pried loose from Pioneer. There are likely some more anime actioners yet to be brought over that could be aimed at a younger audience: Beyblade? Gear Fighter Dendoh? Angelic Layer?--something made for order has to be out there.)

Finally, I would get rid of ruining the closing credits with those cheapshot promos. I know it's become an industrywide problem, not just KWB Toonami, but I wish programmers would get it through their thick skulls that stepping over the afterglow of an episode I've just enjoyed is not going to incline me to watch the following show, if anything just the opposite.

[Andy Mancini]

Kids WB doesn't bug me. I don't personally watch it anymore since they got rid of "Batman: Beyond", but that isn't stopping anyone else. As far as what I'd put on it, I'd keep it the way it is. If I would have to add anything, however, I'd select Tenchi episodes. The way I look at it is this:

Tenchi In Tokyo: Romantic comedy; great for children.
Tenchi Muyo!: Psychological comedy; possibly for older children.
Tenchi Universe: Mel Brooks comedy; not for children.

Maybe they could bring in something new. I think all those little kiddies and their soccer mom parents would just LOVE "Neon Genesis Evangelion" and "Ranma 1/2"... It's amazing what a little kid wouldn't do for their daily dose of end-times fiction and topless women... And besides, penguins and pandas are funny.

DJ Gir

PS: My sarcasm sense is tingling!

[Galaxia]

Originally posted by razorblade
take it off kids wb

That's what I was gonna say! :D

[The Man in Black]

Anyone else notice that they removed the Toonami name from WB's weekdays right when they started airing promos for the "Utonium-powered Toonami Block? And whatever happened to Kids' WB cToons (even though Orbit has basically died....)

[SNS]

I thought it was kind of cool seeing the Kid's WB shows with Toonami intros.

[Killtacular]

Why did this thread have to come back? There is no correct answer.

[SNS]

Wow! Now that I looked at the dates, I can see that he brought this topic back to life exactly two years after it died.

[The Man in Black]

Jim Harvey has no post count! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[livingfruitvirus]

http://www.itty-bitties.com/images/forum-necromancy!.jpg

[The Man in Black]

Forum Necromacy???

[Obi]

A mod reviving a two year old topic for no reason?!

Now I've seen everything!

*dies*

[livingfruitvirus]

A mod reviving a two year old topic for no reason?!

Now I've seen everything!

*dies*

Duelist Goku != mod

[Obi]

*wipes himself out of all existance*

[j32885]

MY GOD! Why is this thread back from the dead? Toonami On Kids'WB was a failed experiment.

[The Man in Black]

DBZ was actually on Kids' WB for a week :eek:

[DianaGohan]

You know, if KidsWB wanted to, they could actually make a decent action block (X-Men Evolution, Jackie Chan Adventures, Static Shock, The Mummy Animated Series) of their own now. Yeah it's not the best block ever, but it makes more sense then KidsWB Toonami block of yesteryears (Yeah, tell me how Scooby Doo belongs on Toonami and I'll find a nice asylum for you), and then at least there wouldn't be a threat of another Toonami KidsWB. And why is this thread being resurrected anyway, and why hasn't one of the moderators closed it by now?

[Zach Logan]

Im ashamed to be here

*runs off crying*

[SNS]

and why hasn't one of the moderators closed it by now?

Probably because it isn't harming anyone.

[Zach Logan]

Wow! Now that I looked at the dates, I can see that he brought this topic back to life exactly two years after it died.
Wow, thats eerie

AHHHHH!!!

[Parallax]

It's hurting me!

*lurches over and dies*

[Animation Otaku]

When I first saw the topic I thought they were bringing it back. Thank god! Although a Toonami consisting of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, X-Men, and JCA wouldn't be that bad, to tell the truth.

[SNS]

When I first saw the topic I thought they were bringing it back. Thank god! Although a Toonami consisting of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, X-Men, and JCA wouldn't be that bad, to tell the truth.

I agree :D I would like to see a Toonami like that on Kid's WB!

[Conekiller]

WOW, my heart skipped a beat seeing the title of this thread. I was afraid the dreadded thing was gonna happen again

Thread Necromancy HA

Duelist Goku, MOD? DOUBLE HA!

[The Man in Black]

I Am!? Wow! Awesome!

[TylerL]

You are not, and will never be.
Resurrecting TWO YEAR OLD TOPICS is unexcusable.
Stop.
For the children.

[Wanted]

I'd like to know all of the shows that aired on Kids' WB's version of Toonami. It'd do wonders if anyone had a list.

While I'm at it, I hope a definite list of guest shows to Toonami wouldn't be out of the question.

[Yash]

Pokemon
Batman Beyond
Dragon Ball Z
Sailor Moon
Cardcaptors
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Jackie Chan Adventures
X-Men Evolution
Detention
Generation O! (no I'm not kidding about those two)
Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?
The Scooby-Doo and Scrappy Show
Others...

[Chad Bonin]

With regards to guest shows, ya know, we do have a FAQ...

[William C. Maune]

And it is also fully updated! (Except for Duke's bio which needs to be tweaked)

[Wanted]

Thanks for the help.

And, I'll refer to the FAQ soon.

[Duke]

I thought Cardcaptors was just on CN Toonami, and didn't premiere Season 3 until after KWB Toonami left.

[Yash]

I thought Cardcaptors was just on CN Toonami, and didn't premiere Season 3 until after KWB Toonami left.Cardcaptors aired on Kids' WB! Toonami, I'm sure of it.

Y'know, it'd be funny if KWB Toonami came back.

Sock: *singing* YYH is the greatest show ever! But we all know Yugioh is better! Because it makes us more money! And I'm not really being funny! *singing*
Yusuke: SHUT UP YA' DAMN SOCK!!!
*Yusuke fires a Spirit Gun upon the sock*
*As Yusuke returns to the Kids' WB! lots, everyone cheers for the death of the sock*

[RAINMAN]

Hey I have not do my decreption on RW yet.

[bigddan11]

Card Captors did air on Kids WB! Toonami with new episodes on it. That suprised a lot of people, but it would be in one week runs like they've since done with Megaman: NT Warrior, Astroboy, and others.

[Wanted]

So, that's basically it, right?