"Teen Titans" Preview Talkback (Spoilers)(Screens Added)

[Red]

Kids'WB! will show a preview clip from the upcoming Teen Titans series, premiering July 19th, 2003 at 9pm (ET) on Cartoon Network, on May 3rd during the Saturday morning line-up.


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Synopsis: Teen Titans, produced by Warner Bros. Animation, features Robin The Boy Wonder and fellow teens Cyborg, Beast Boy, Starfire and Raven - five superheroes, each with special powers, who unite to form a defensive force to protect the Earth from a new generation of villains. Discovering how to control their powers, these Teen Titans must learn to work and grow as a team despite their "stylistic" differences.

Comments?

I heard Teen Titans will be showing tommorow morning but I have no clue what time. Please tell me. EST

Edited by Jim

Edit by Bird Boy: Screenshots of the promo can be viewed here (http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/teentitans/)

[Joe Wagner]

I heard Teen Titans will be showing tommorow Morning but I have no clue what time. Please tell me. EST

The preview is scheduled to run as a series of clips throughout the Kids WB Saturday morning programming - which I believe starts around 9 AM EST and runs until noon.

-Joe!

[Mister Intensity]

They had a commercial saying that the preview was going to air during the 11 EST airing of Yu-gi-oh. I guess I have to watch an entire episode of that show to catch the preview.

Mister Intensity

[Drachentöter]

Yep, that's what they said. I'm kind of angered. :mad:

I was hoping for a full episode of Teen Titans, which is what I really need to get a feel for the series. And I've got to say the teaser clips from the commercial....ugh...

[bat313]

Ok, i just saw the teen titan preivew, and i have a few questiosn? Why did they have a green dinasuar on thier team?? Why wear tears flowing out of beast boys eye's like they would in some stupid Pokimon episode? Yuck all around. The dialogue was corny, and if this is the future of the DCU we better hope that JL goes forever. I konw JL's dialague isn't the greatest these charaters just sounded lame. :p

[Drachentöter]

Ok, i just saw the teen titan preivew, and i have a few questiosn? Why did they have a green dinasuar on thier team?? Why wear tears flowing out of beast boys eye's like they would in some stupid Pokimon episode? Yuck all around. The dialogue was corny, and if this is the future of the DCU we better hope that JL goes forever. I konw JL's dialague isn't the greatest these charaters just sounded lame. :p

The dinosaur was Beast Boy. He transformed into it to defeat...I'll call him Clayface-lite. I was also perturbed by Beast Boy's anime tears. And dialogue...yes, ick.

On the positive side, the direction of the action was well-executed. It was fast-paced and fluid. They also used the powers creatively and the team obviously works well together.

But, Robin...his design still pales to the true Tim Drake. Not that I'm convinced this is Tim Drake. It's a different voice actor, for one thing. This preview has me on the fence.

[Duke]

Beast Boy's anime tears are really awful. Anime tears should stay in anime. I didn't see enough of Raven to form an opinion, and Cyborg wasn't even there. Robin and Beast Boy ended up annoying me more than anything. Star's pretty cool, though. The animation seems TOO fluid to me. I mean, the characters look like blobs, and stretch everywhere.

[Mister Intensity]

It's a kids show!

The show is definitely aimed at younger viewers.

The action does look good and I like the more physical Robin in this preview. Yeah, it does have an anime feel that will attract the youngins. I could also see this show fall into the "Bob Haney Teen Titans syndrome" (dialogue filled with adult attempts at writing teenage slang).

There also seem to be some familiar elements like Beast Boy's wisecracks and the Robin/Starfire relationship (although kiddified). Long time Titans readers should recognize the baddie they faced as Plasmus of the Brotherhood of Evil, which hopefully means they will face the entire roster. Raven's powers seems to be amped up, more mystical in nature than psionic. It's probably for the best since it is easier to animate (despite the visual appeal of Raven's soul-self, her other powers aren't visual enough to depict in animated form).

I would like to see an entire episode or two before making a judgment on the series as a whole. The teaser had some positives and negatives aand I am looking forward to checking out the show when it premires in July.

Mister Intensity

[JohnStewart-GL]

The absence of Cyborg sucked. I thought it was cool. The dialogue was a bit cheesy but nothing i didnt really expect. The only thing i hated was the anime tears. i really wish they'd take that out. Other than that i think the show will be fine.
edit: by the way was that clayface?

[Digu Volz]

The action does look good and I like the more physical Robin in this preview.

Which was pretty stupid given their opponent's nature and Robin's supposed analytical mind. The guy was practically Clayface and Robin tried to punch and kick him ? He's smarter than that (or should be). Why not direct team tactics instead, or try something else in his belt (when he originally plunged into Clayface II, I thought he was planting one of those ice bombs in him). I would have also liked to see him dodge those attacks with the factory as a backdrop (watch TT in slow motion... it's interesting).

This show obviously has an anime influence and I for one am disappointed, despite knowing this to be so for a while. It's not the eyes that I remind, since it works, such as with Jackie Chan Adventures, however it's the body movements that seem too unnatural for me, at least in serious situations. I've become disenchanted with the constant exaggerations in anime, so that's a negative for me. Then again, this was only a fight scene, which isn't a clear indicator of the quality for the series. Speaking of which, the fight was fluid and well-executed, but it was too fluid, like another poster said. Before a character could even finish what they were saying, the scene shifted.

I know they're the Teen Titans, but Gar sounded, and looked, waaay too young, imo. It was like he was eight. I really hope Robin never takes off his mask, if his eyes are that big. With all of this said, I can't help but wonder if anybody thinks I'm bashing anime ?

It was nice to get a feel for most of the characters' personality. Starfire seems fairly naive ("Did I let him have too much ?"), so I wonder if they'll play that up. It seemed they did something similar with Wonder Woman, though she adapted quickly.

Raven should stand in corners and look all dark and scary and oooooooo.

Nice to see that the aesthetics are nothing like what was featured in the later promotional art. I really like it, actually; better than Justice League, imo.

I don't think the dialogue was bad, not that a fight scene is the time to judge. It has potential. This series does.

[nothing]

Anime tears should stay in anime.

what if this were a co-production and was to air both in Japan & the US... would the "anime tears" be okay then?

**twenty-four**

[The Master Con]

They're obviously taking a kids direction with the series, doesn't surprize me, and personally I'm not very interested in the series.

[Red]

I hated those tears....

I hated Robins Voice

I hated this preview

[keds1017]

it look okay but what up with waterfall tears man, i hate that kinda crap.. but the action scene hot!! Robin's voice sounds something like zach from 'Where in the World is Carmen Sandeigo'..

[Knight]

I had slightly better hopes for the preveiw than what I saw. The Titans seem to be acting too young to me. Robin should be smarter than that physical attack he tried to display on that thing. That was just plain stupid. The animeish way its presented also doesnt sit well with me.. I pray that after I see a few whole eps I'll like it or i'll just not watch it at all after awhile.

[Final C yourgod]

It was weird, but it rocked. Still so far Static should not be on that show the styles are just way too different. I like Starfire she seems like an enjoyable humorous and powerful character. Raven was odd, beast boy the comic relief. I found a great website and it says that Robin is Tim Drake. Also Tim is 13 years old this is odd. I wonder about the time lines. When during Static Shock and Justice League does this take place? The teen titans were mentioned in Nard As Nails, which I believe was the first episode of Static Shock season 3. The first episode of season 3 seemed to take place before the Justice League. This means that Static Shock and the Teen Titans took place before the Justice League was even created. So just how old is Tim by the end of season 3 of Static Shock? My head may hurt if I continue so I’ll stop. Also Virgil is 15 in season 3 this may mean that he may be 16 in season 4. (If we get season 4)

[EscaflownePilot]

Well, clearly I'm in the minority here, but I loved the preview. It blew my expectations (albeit, low expectations) out of th water.

Everything from the direction of the fight scenes to the fluid animation were great, and I'm actually really looking forward to this show's premiere.

[susan123]

The preview was a mixed bag for me.

The positive: I liked the action sequence--it kept moving and showed everyone displaying his or her powers.

The negative: The character designs are horrible. I think it was probably WB's idea to make everything Anime because Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! are anime. They probably think everything anime will be an instant success. If that works for the Teen Titans, time will tell. As a fan of BTAS, STAS, TNBSA & JL, I can't understand why the change. I also didn't like the exaggeration of Beast Boy's tears. What was up with Robin punching that thing? Being trained by Batman you'd think he'd know better.

A few minutes is difficult to give a proper evaluation on the entire series but I think kids (who don't read comics) will enjoy it particularly younger ones. Those who read Teen Titans comics will be disappointed.

[Drachentöter]

From an interview with the creators at Comics Continuum.


Robin - "Robin's super-power is that he's crazy," Slack said. "He's just got boundless guts. You look at Robin and he's cool. He's ready for anything.

Er, I wouldn't call Tim Drake "crazy." Eager, maybe, but not crazy (and this could be especially offensive to him if this was post-ROTJ...if you choose to accept the flashback).

So, more doubts pile up on the idenity of this Robin. Notice how NO ONE will mention his secret identity. I am starting to get really perturbed.

You know what will bug me? If they just all-out refuse to show secret idenities. The creators also hinted that this may be the case in the full interview.


"They don't take classes; we don't even deal with that," Slack said. "The board of education never comes by to wonder why teenagers are living together in a high rise. It's the ultimate cool clubhouse."

"Cool clubhouse?" Yargh.

[The Detective]

To say I'm worried would be an understatement. This clip didn't really do much for me.
Robin-Has now become rubber boy! He just bounces around like a ping pong ball doing nothing contructive, He should have known better that to start punching that monster. And those iron boots look like they should weigh more than his whole body!

Raven-ooo she just stands around and throws little black drum looking things? shessh

I will say that the animation was very fluid, but as someone said almost too fluid. The characters seemed to bounce around like liquid rubber.

The anime tears on Beast Boy really annoyed me. They are definantly aiming for little kids. I guess they are trying to appeal to pokeomon and Yugi-Oh fans with the somewhat anime look. Alos, airing it during a Yugi oh episode could be even more proof that ther are aiming for that age group.

[Johnny Depp]

It was weird, but it rocked.

I think the word "rocks or rocked" has become the new "dude". Did you really think it "rocked" c'mon you can tell all that off 15-30 seconds?

I will say one thing and it's not really like me to be cynical/negative but usually they'll show you the best or almost the best they've got for their preview to at least generate steady buzz, like any major feature film. If that's a composite of the best they've got, this thing is gonna make the old Teen Titans show from the late 60's seem like HBO's Spawn TAS. But YES watch a full episode before officially obliterating anything but sometimes you really can tell something's slop just off preview and that maybe the case here???

One opinion I will confirm is that they really should've gone old school and more iconic for their lineup along with Robin use like Speedy/Arsenal, Aqualad/Tempest, Impulse/Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Captain Marvel Jr., etc to closer tie it in to Justice League and maybe toss in a Starfire or a Cyborg here and there. That lineup is WAAY too obscure/inside for novices to latch onto. Or even call the thing Young Justice to get it across.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I saw the commercial during Static Shock that advertised the preview but not the actuall preview, I wasn't here while it was recording because I set a timer up. Does anybody got screen shots?

[Barb Gordon]

gah...*shudders* there are so many things that bother me, and only a few things I actually like. But among the things I irk me, I just realized a new one,lol. It may seem small to some, but with how much they've warped Starfire so far, this added to it. She has pupils. She's not supposed to have pupils, just green eyes, that's it. No whites or pupils or anything. It looks like they've arranged it so she's "normal" looking when she's not using her powers, but her eyes go all green when she using her powers. Seems kinda....cheap. I like that at some point she does have the all green eyes, but why couldn't she have them all the time like she does normally? In the promo shots she originally had the all green eyes, but now she doesn't....argh.

Okay, a good thing so it doesn't look like I'm griping. As far as character designs go, Raven looks the best, the coolest, and most importantly, the closest to her comic counterpart. Beast Boy doesn't look too bad either in that respect.

~Barb

[Bird Boy]

I saw the commercial during Static Shock that advertised the preview but not the actuall preview, I wasn't here while it was recording because I set a timer up. Does anybody got screen shots?

I hope to have screens up a couple days, along with Toys in the Hood screens. I got it recorded onto a DVD, so I just need to screengrab and what not...they'll be up momentarily. In the mean time, I believe somebody provided us with screens from last weeks mini-mini-mini-preview, so maybe he/she can show us again :)

-BB

[Final C yourgod]

I think the word "rocks or rocked" has become the new "dude". Did you really think it "rocked" c'mon you can tell all that off 15-30 seconds?

I will say one thing and it's not really like me to be cynical/negative but usually they'll show you the best or almost the best they've got for their preview to at least generate steady buzz, like any major feature film. If that's a composite of the best they've got, this thing is gonna make the old Teen Titans show from the late 60's seem like HBO's Spawn TAS. But YES watch a full episode before officially obliterating anything but sometimes you really can tell something's slop just off preview and that maybe the case here???

One opinion I will confirm is that they really should've gone old school and more iconic for their lineup along with Robin use like Speedy/Arsenal, Aqualad/Tempest, Impulse/Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Captain Marvel Jr., etc to closer tie it in to Justice League and maybe toss in a Starfire or a Cyborg here and there. That lineup is WAAY too obscure/inside for novices to latch onto. Or even call the thing Young Justice to get it across.

It was about 1 minute and 30 seconds I taped it and watched it 7 times. Anyway it can be good show if it isn't screwed up. I am just trying to show some support. By the way Yu-Gi-Oh was an adult anime by American standards until it was edited to death. They didn’t even show the real first episode.

[Digu Volz]

Rock on, Final C and Johnny D. :cool:

While we're likely to get something different, I don't think it'll be bad at all. Most of the complaints I've seen so far are relatively superficial ones, my own included, outside of the fluid animation and voice-based comments.

[Barb Gordon]

Well, like it said somewhere in reference to Justice League and Teen Titans, TT is an amalgamation of a bunch of different characters that have been in that group over the years. I mean, as we know (if we're assuming Flash in JL is Wally), Wally West/Flash was in Teen Titans with Dick Grayson/Robin and such, not Justice League. But with a character like Starfire, I would have preferred they not have her if the Robin wasn't going to be Dick Grayson. As far as having some more of the familiar old cast, I think doing a character like Speedy would be a huge mistake. I love Arsenal, he's so badass and has really come along way. But his time as Speedy wasn't that great, I mean, I know some of the other characters like Starfire and Raven have some bad moments in their past that have been completely erased for the animated versions. But I think removing the fact that he was a cocaine addict for a while would be a bit much. And just the fact that he was wouldn't be a good thing for interested young fans to find out who went looking for more info on the net. Just a thought.

~Barb

[Matt-Man]

It looked real good up until Beast Boy's tears. The animation and everything looked fine, but those tears. Ugh. But I will give it a shot when I see an entire episode.

[redneckgoliath]

So has this clip shown up online yet? I didn't get to see it.

[GL2k2]

I will say this, at first I was thinking that was the end of Justice League. But I see where they're going with this series, they're actually trying to replace Static Shock, which has relied on numerous guest appearances before going off the air, much like Superman TAS. They simply ran out of stories to tell, because they didn't go down the road they should've, but enough of that.

Teen Titans looks terrific!

It's kinetic, bright, punchy, but it takes too much from anime, but that's okay too. I think it's going to be a runaway hit.

I can only imagine the guest appearances, I don't know much about the Teen Titans comic as I never read it, but I can guess that Batgirl and Supergirl might appear, and no doubt Nightwing. I don't know squat about their rogues gallery, which makes this all the more fun to watch going in raw. Of course diehard fans on this site might change that for me eventually. I would have liked to seen Cyborg in the clip, but beggars can't be choosers.

This opens the door for one superhero guest appearance I've been waiting for since Superman TAS, Captain Marvel/SHAZAM! If they do a young Billy Batson, that would really have me wanting this series on DvD in 20 years when its released.

[keds1017]

gl2k2 don't you mean X-men ev .Teen Titan doesn't affect Static status at all. anyway Static still has some stories to tell .The writer haven't even introduce some Milestone Heroes yet or finish the big bang storyline..

[DCU Bat]

So has this clip shown up online yet? I didn't get to see it.

Yeah, I didn't get to see it either (I still don't have KidsWB!).

So, ::Get's down on knees:: could someone PLEEEEEEEAAAAAASE post a clip online??? pretty please?

EDIT : Oh, And BTW, I saw the preview pictures posted on.....that certain website. And despite the cruddy designs (Cyborg and Raven are the only decent designs) and Irritating anime influence like Cyborg yelling at Robin and Starfire's head exploding twice it's size, I'm still holding on my judgement untill I see this show in action.

Judging by some of the pics, it seem like we're getting another Batman Beyond esque intro, which is really cool.

And did anybody see that Awsome pic of the Titans Tower? At least they got SOME thing right!

[Barb Gordon]

Woh, you liked Cyborg? I guess I would too...except he's a mountain of flesh compared to his comic self. For me, Raven is the best overall. It was kinda hard to really screw with her designs from her comic self in the first place, but she looks the coolest to me. Beast Boy's design I like second best because his comic self was goofy looking too. I rate Cyborg the worst, his attitude still seems the same, but his appearance looks horrendous. I guess if you've never seen Cyborg in comics, than his animated self looks all right, but he's such a complete opposite from his comic self. Why make him so freaking huge? Did they need to make the group "correct"? Got guys and girls, they're all skinny, so you need a big guy in the group to even everything out? Robin and Starfire are somewhere in the middle for me. Robin's design looks better than before, if he'd lose the steel boots. His head isn't as big though, thank god. Starfire, well...I have many issues about her that would take too long to get into. But at least she still has the same skin, hair and costume colors. And her eyes are still green...at least when she's using her powers, though I still don't know why she doesn't have her normal all green eyes the rest of the time. *breath* okay, I'm done.....

~Barb

[James]

You're done... I'm not.. :)

There's nothing worse that negative net fan feedback.. it sounds so... geeky.. especially when something hasn't aired to receive such abrasive remarks, but I can say without a doubt there isn't a single thing I liked about this project.

I would love, in all my geekiness, to remove it as far from that TAS canon as possible.

I've never been a major TT fan. Even as a kid with the original crew, it was always the comic or teamup you'd read if there was nothing else... I don't know, it just wasn't as cool as the 'adult heroes'. Robin was okay, but he needed Batman.. we had an adult Flash... did we need a kid one.. *shrug*... Fine they grew up into cool characters, but as a kid I never warmed to it. Even at eight, the concept seemed silly and unrealistic..

Anyway.. that's comics.. we're talking animated.. but the same applies.. unless done wisely, TT simpley highlights the more unrealistic elements of Batman in particular. I could never see TAS Batman letting Tim and co having his own 'Clubhouse'. Letting him be part of a crew of unsupervised kid heroes... ugh.

I think if there was a hint that this concept would be done intelligently, I would be less nervous. Perhaps if it is to show how TT sits in relation to society and their adult counterparts, or if it expanded on the myth and brought it into line with TAS, I would be less negative. There seems little of this. Looks to me at this point as if it's a gungho-save-the-day escapade which isn't what DC has stood for on it's animated front. Even JL has an element of intelligence.

Yeah, I think Barb has covered the design problems (having now seen first hand how this bugs her! Who can blame her either - fair points - especially about Starfire and the amalgation of character periods :) ) so I won't comment on these...

I don't know. I will watch and will be objective. I just don't think they inspire confidence. In fact it looks worse - that's not a good sign. When you think of the creativity and originality in BTAS and you look at the preview for this.. there can be no surprise that disappointment looms..

Surely they could have chosen a better subject? Nightwing, Birds Of Prey, Harley And Ivy.. all would have been better areas of the Bat Mythos to have moved on (and it is the Robin connection which promotes this - no doubt).

I think if I was to have done TT, I would have either set it seperate from the TAS, and set it in it's own universe with Dick, Cyborg, Starfire etc.. or had it as Young Justice. The former would have worked better as a serious concept, the latter as a more humourous one. What stinks is that this will link to TAS and I see it as concept too far removed from TAS to be linked..

Sorry, hate spitting negatives without one positive, but I see this as the death of the decent franchise - so it upsets me.

[optimuslives]

no sir...didn't like what I saw and I definitely will not be watching this trainwreck in waiting when it airs

[Chris Wood]

Can someone describe what "anime tears" are?

[Digu Volz]

Can someone describe what "anime tears" are?

Well, there's more than one definition, but for the preview it was literally Gar's eyes as wide as saucers and a river of tears running from each.

[Barb Gordon]

Yeah, that's about it. Some anime show characters crying with a more natural look. Their face looks wet and you can see tears dripping from their chin or something. But the stereotypical "anime tears" is more well known and thought of. And, as stated, it's basically giant waterfalls spouting from the characters eyes. Either the character's eyes are big and watery looking, or they're closed tight, as they cry literal buckets. These kinds of anime tears tend to be used for comedic purposes and tend not to be see in serious scenes.

~Barb

[GL2k2]

gl2k2 don't you mean X-men ev .Teen Titan doesn't affect Static status at all. anyway Static still has some stories to tell .The writer haven't even introduce some Milestone Heroes yet or finish the big bang storyline..

Actually they're cancelling X-Men: Evo after next season with Apocalyspe, possibly. Then I heard next season of Static Shock will be the last, either way it's the changing of the guard.

[All-Star 1.5]

Actually they're cancelling X-Men: Evo after next season with Apocalyspe, possibly. Then I heard next season of Static Shock will be the last, either way it's the changing of the guard.

I heard that the next X-Men EVO season will feature an old Wolverine foe hint hint and that that season finale could work as the series finale, but producers are hopeing for more seasons. Which they could get if they move to CN and the same goes for SS and JCA.


As for TT

Well not reading the comic book I really have no idea what to expect. I mean from what I saw it was different, but still good but I haven't seen a whole lot of the series to really make a judgement.

BTW I wonder if they plan to introduce Raven's origin I mean from what I heard they are going to have to do some major changing around for that one to even be allowed on tv, but I think that the other's are okay except maybe Cyborg from what I hear anyway.

[GL2k2]

I heard that the next X-Men EVO season will feature an old Wolverine foe hint hint and that that season finale could work as the series finale, but producers are hopeing for more seasons. Which they could get if they move to CN and the same goes for SS and JCA.


As for TT

Well not reading the comic book I really have no idea what to expect. I mean from what I saw it was different, but still good but I haven't seen a whole lot of the series to really make a judgement.

BTW I wonder if they plan to introduce Raven's origin I mean from what I heard they are going to have to do some major changing around for that one to even be allowed on tv, but I think that the other's are okay except maybe Cyborg from what I hear anyway.

I have heard the same about X-Men Evo as you, but the reality is, WB may treat it like Men In Black and cancel before the next flick is released. The hype around X2, has kept it going for this long. It's all politics, really. I don't predict CN picking up any series, they just haven't done it before with series that have had potential like The New Batman/Superman Adventures, and Batman Beyond, but they were smart about acquiring Justice League.

I'm not big on Teen Titans lore as I stated before, but I do know some about most of those guys origin, and they will most definitely be doing some reworking. Cyborg's origin alone is pretty serious.

Does anyone besides me remember that Cyborg has be in animation form before, in Super Powers from the 80's?

Also, don't knock me for being DCU stupid, but is this green changeling guy the same from the Legion of Superheroes, that was featured in the Superman TAS episode "New Kids"?

[Johnny Depp]

Does anyone besides me remember that Cyborg has be in animation form before, in Super Powers from the 80's?

Also, don't knock me for being DCU stupid, but is this green changeling guy the same from the Legion of Superheroes, that was featured in the Superman TAS episode "New Kids"?

YES indeed I do GL2K2, Cyborg was handled well too on that. In fact I felt that entire Super Powers Galactic Guardians series was underrated and would've gotten even better if it lasted more than just 13 episodes. Cyborg's character design is MUCH better on SPGG than this Teen Titans slop trust me and Ernie Hudson(Oz, Ghostbusters) did his voice.

The downside was SPGG steered clear from staple DC/Justice League heroes like Aquaman, Green Lantern, Hawkman and especially Flash who were limited to spotty cameos and just a couple of speaking roles and focused on Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Firestorm and even Samurai much more.

A few episodes that stood out for me were Batman's Fear episode(Adam West was great as Bats in this entire series he sounded darker believe it or not) featuring Scarecrow, Death of Superman(Green Lantern's banner appearance and every cameo imaginable), and Escape From Space City(Aquaman's banner episode and virtually only speaking role).

P.S. I think several DC/WB animation stalwarts worked on SPGG like Dini, Burnett and I think Timm?? But I have to look in the credits to be sure. No biggie GL that was actually Chameleon Boy you were thinking of but it's VERY easy to see how you would confuse him and Changeling/Beast Boy. It's like confusing Skeet Ulrich for say........hmmmm..... Johnny Depp.

[Duke]

Yea, that Superfriends was my favorite of all the series. Although I dunno what's a worse name: Superfriends or "The Superpowers Team."

Cyborg did kick ass, though. Firestorm I never got.

[Chris Wood]

The downside was SPGG steered clear from staple DC/Justice League heroes like Aquaman, Green Lantern, Hawkman and especially Flash who were limited to spotty cameos and just a couple of speaking roles and focused on Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Firestorm and even Samurai much more.

What've you got against Samurai? He's not as cool as Black Vulcan, but he still rocks. That show had way too much of Firestorm. Almost seemed like he was the main character sometimes.

[DR.MID-NITE]

It looked horrible. I really wanted to like it. I just couldn't. :(

[Killtacular]

People seem to think "different" means "horrible." Interesting.

I guess because everyone clings to these characters so much that any interpretation that doesn't have Bruce Timm's (HORRIBLE) character designs, they instantly think it's repulsive.

Why can't a show try something new? Even if it's dealing with comic book characters or whatever the hell. This isn't like Batman Forever... it's more like how Sam and Max got treated, where the cartoon wasn't remotely like the comic book at all, but still had the same classic Sam and Max humor.

The animation looks fantastic... I've wanted to see a sort of Cartoon Cartoon interpretation of fighting, since Justice League's fighting scenes are the worst fighting scenes to ever grace television... unless you count He-Man. I'd say it's neck-and-neck.

The anime inspiration, it's not hopping on a bandwagon because there really ISN'T a bandwagon to hop on. Aside from Jackie Chan Adventures (who does it wrong) and Molly the Star Racer, there hasn't been any show outside of Asia that really does this. If you want something that's "hopping on the bandwagon", look towards Kids WB's Xiaolin Showdown, which is actually also going to be a great show.

I don't think there's any other way to do the Teen Titans. The Teen Titans should be light and fun, but also have enough room to build character relationships and development, which the people interviewed definitely confirmed. They said that CN -wanted- them to take risks, and they're going to.

I think Teen Titans would be way worse if it were modelled after Justice League or Static Shock. I'd rather have people talking like anime characters (which they won't) than talking like Malibu's Most Wanted. Can you picture Robin saying "Wazzup, dawg?" I can. And I hope it never happens.

I think the only part of Teen Titans that gets on my nerves is the theme song, which isn't BAD, but J-Pop seems like such a weird choice. On the other hand, a J-Pop theme song would totally rock. J-Pop is quickly becoming part of our own culture, which is great. I'd rather have good music infect airwaves than the drivel they have now. Okay, I'm getting off the topic.

One other thing that slightly annoys me is the giant T for a building. As if that's not going to look suspicious to someone. Plus the fact that physics wouldn't allow a T shaped building to exist.. If there were ever strong winds, the thing would topple over. This is just geek talk, though.

I think non-narrowminded people should give TT a chance. And by "give TT a chance", I of course mean watch several episodes. I don't want anyone to watch just one episode or 5 minutes and go "Well, huzzah. Now I am justified in bashing this show like a blind nostalgic fool who likes to orgasm over comic book cameos so much that I don't notice bad plot or dialog.. I think I'll watch Justice League now, in fact!"

Man, that rant was kind of spiteful. Sorry.

[James Harvey]

Based on the footage I've seen from this preview and some screener material, it's still a mixed bag. I am going to wait until I see three full episodes to make my final judgment, but the action sequences alone have me enticed just a little bit. The fluid animation and breakneck pacing looks spectacular in some sequences. Even the voice work isn't too bad. I do want to see more before I can make my final judgment.

The line-up, though, could've been a tad better. I would've like to have seen some more high-profile Titans members from the past in here. The line-up is pretty good, save Beast Boy. Kids Flash would've been a cool member to add, but then the show would probably be tagged with Justice League Jr..

The designs aren't bad. Yes, as everyone has pointed out, everyone is incredibly skinny, more so than the cast of X-Men: Evolution, but it's not distracting, I find. It actually looks natural here. I think it fits Robin, someone who has always had a small, lean build. As for the rest of the up, I'm not sure. It makes sense for them not to be huge, bulky masses becuase they're only teens.

And there's nothing wrong with people enjoying the character designs of Justice League. Everyone has their own preference, and there's no reason to knock them over that. I actually like the character designs that Bruce Timm has created. I think his interpretation of Martian Manhunter, for example, is genius. If they prefer those designs, then that's their decision, and they shouldn't be knocked about it. I do agree that there is room to grow and look at different designed shows, as well. Teen Titans has an interesting design, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of it to base an actual validated opinion of the show.

Four of five minutes of footage isn't enough to accurately base an opinion on, so I'm going to wait until I see the show for myself in a couple of months.

[Killtacular]

Everyone pattern their lives after Jim Harvey. He's the smart, awesome guy that we all love.

[James Harvey]

Everyone pattern their lives after Jim Harvey. He's the smart, awesome guy that we all love.

:)

I just think it's a bit too early to be basing an opinion of the entire season, all thirteen episodes, based on a couple minutes of footage. Doesn't that seem a bit unfair? I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but at least use more than a few snippets of animation to make a complete judgment. Wait until July 19th, watch a few episodes, then make your judgment. Besides, I personally think that Kids'WB! made a poor choice in choosing the clip they did. There's much better stuff they could've shown instead of the one they picked.

I agree with Matt that the theme for the show is annoying. Good lord, I don't know how anyone is going to be able to stomach it. But that shouldn't detour you from watching the show! This show could end up being a nice breathe of fresh air, a sleeper hit.

[Killtacular]

Besides, I personally think that Kids'WB! made a poor choice in choosing the clip they did. There's much better stuff they could've shown instead of the one they picked.
That's because Kids WB has nothing to do with this show, except for airing it. It was Cartoon Network's idea to put together, and the production is 100% CN. It's possible that WB funded some of it, but I'm doubtful. I think the decision to put Teen Titans on Kids WB simulataneously was probably made at the time that Powerpuff Girls was airing there.


I agree with Matt that the theme for the show is annoying. Good lord, I don't know how anyone is going to be able to stomach it. But that shouldn't detour you from watching the show! This show could end up being a nice breathe of fresh air, a sleeper hit.
I've only heard a couple of seconds of it, so I don't really know just how annoying it will be. I think it's important that J-Pop get exposure so I'm for it. It's better than Static Shock's theme, I already know that.

[Toddman]

But I think removing the fact that he was a cocaine addict for a while would be a bit much. And just the fact that he was wouldn't be a good thing for interested young fans to find out who went looking for more info on the net. Just a thought.

~Barb

Don't be too upset about the animated lineup, Barb. I have the feeling that CN has a lot more creative control over these characters than they would over Superboy, or Wonder Girl or Kid Flash (nee Impulse) who all fall under the protective umbrella of characters with bigger names (and probably stickier legal issues).

I'm curious to see how the new TT comic is handled, which features older versions of Starfire, Cyborg and Beast Boy and the current versions of Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash.

And by the way, Speedy was addicted to smack, not blow.

Toddman

[DCU Bat]

I've only heard a couple of seconds of it, so I don't really know just how annoying it will be. I think it's important that J-Pop get exposure so I'm for it.

J-Pop!?!? Good sweet mother of Lord!! Please tell me your joking!!!!

Wait!wait, Lemme regain my bearings here, Do you mean J-pop, intrumental wise or Japanese singing wise?

Look, I'm not an anime basher if that's what you think (infact I'm kinda an otaku myself) but it's just that I usually prefer things certain elements to remain in certain areas. Ok, I admit it, I'm a bit of a stickler, I'm sorry.

As for how important for J-pop to get exposure, believe me when I say this, J-pop has more than ENOUGH exposure. Sorry for the outburst, but it's just that I'm still shuddering from the shock. :eek:

[Killtacular]

As for how important for J-pop to get exposure, believe me when I say this, J-pop has more than ENOUGH exposure. Sorry for the outburst, but it's just that I'm still shuddering from the shock. :eek:
Uh, I would say it has not gotten more than enough exposure. Your reaction seems discriminatory. Perhaps you only listened to bands that weren't so good, but for every bad J-Pop band, I could name a bad band in another genre.

[GL2k2]

Do you think they'll be a Justice League/ Teen Titans x-over anyone? If so, how was a team-up with the groups handled in the comics?

[DCU Bat]

Uh, I would say it has not gotten more than enough exposure. Your reaction seems discriminatory. Perhaps you only listened to bands that weren't so good, but for every bad J-Pop band, I could name a bad band in another genre.

As I've said before, I don't mean to be discriminate. Really, I like J-pop and I've listened to a few good bands. But as I've said before, I perfer them to be in much different shows. A show like Powerpuff girls, maybe but certainaly not a DCU show! Trust me, I've had all the J-pop I can handle, thankyouverymuch :)

[Barb Gordon]

I wonder how much more different TT would have turned out if KidsWB! had had full control...thoughts?

I've heard some things about guest appearances by other characters. Coulda sworn there was something about Aqualad being the first.

I like J-pop, I like anime, I like those two things together or seperate. Seeing japanese style of animating go into an American cartoon, no real biggie though it's just so far off from what I'm used to. Japanese animation style AND J-pop? Now they're just making me nervous.

~Barb

[James]

Everyone pattern their lives after Jim Harvey. He's the smart, awesome guy that we all love.

Matt - a career in PR beckons.. :D

I disagree with both of you on some points. As I said in my post, I'm sure all of us here will watch TT. I'll be happy to be proved wrong (Babylon 5 and Farscape are two shows I was sure were doomed to failure but changed my mind). However on the basis of the preview, which is where we make our guesses and predictions (as do journalists) I think there is room to say that it looked bad.

I'm not talking animation. I didn't like it - I don't see it as anything new and amazing as was boasted on the preview. It was safe. It, to me, fell more into a kid's toon niche than anything else I've seen.

I knew what it would look like, not my cup of tea per se, but it wasn't want irked me about the preview. I didn't like what was said. It was all dressed up talk for basically the same old thing. None of the comments to me gave me any confidence in the series. If this was a political broadcast I would be scribbling my vote for the opposition.. :p

What irks me is not the concept, nor it's existence (rather that than a PPG clone or the like), just that it doesn't fit with what has gone on in the Timm universe previous, or at least it doesn't look like it will. JL was pushing it, this just seems too far a stretch. If it was billed as an entirely new take away from Timm's work, then I'd probably be less.. vitriolic, but it's not. It looks to me as a traversty in comparison.

If I'm wrong - if we all are - so what? We'll enjoy it. I'll bask in the fluids formed by my own wrongness. However my personal opinion on the strength of the preview was it showed nothing I felt was redeemable in light of what I've enjoyed from DCTV.

[Drachentöter]

A crossover with Justice League would be difficult, IMO, mainly because of the conflicting art styles. That and the tones of the show don't exactly mesh well. But, then, that's what I thought about Static...

Any crossovers should be handled as the Static one was. JL appears on TT (though the art style still makes it difficult), but not vice versa. Especially since JL is in continuity while TT is...doubtful. I can't imagine how enraged Batman would be if Tim Drake opted for "pizza" instead of crimefighting.

Watching the animation in action in the preview actually made me feel better about it. I still believe the designs could be more realistic, but the fluidity works well (I don't quite understand how anything can be "too fluid"). It's not harsh on the eyes, I'll give it that.

What worries me is the apparent lack of depth to this show. This might be enjoyable on a superficial level, but if it were to air at 8 in the morning, I probably wouldn't find myself getting out of bed unless some involving, intricate plots are developed. And...I don't see this team acheiving that.....YET. I hope they do, however.

Oh, and I believe Marv Wolfman penned an "Aqualad" episode for the show, further removing it from Justice League.

[ClockStomper]

Visually it looked good, certainly better animated than Justice League (which is wooden for the most part.) But the dialog was awful, much like S1 Justice League had terrible dialog. (I watched a TNBA episode saturday night, and man, was the dialog ever funny and clever. Say what you will about Dini, but the man can write great lines. It makes Justice League's dialog look even worse in comparrison.)

But what matters is, can they tell good stories? With depth and character devolpment? Justice League managed to pull out a few good storyarcs, despite lackluster scripting and animation, so perhaps this show can tell good stories, too.

Having them fight a generic goop monster dosen't bode well, but we don't really know the context either. Obviously we'll all have to watch an entire episode before making a judgement.

[GL2k2]

Oh, and I believe Marv Wolfman penned an "Aqualad" episode for the show, further removing it from Justice League.


That would ruin a crossover, that and the iffy appearance of the "Royal Flush Gang" on JL could ruin things. Of course they're won't be reference to Batman beyond, but who knows.

[All-Star 1.5]

That would ruin a crossover, that and the iffy appearance of the "Royal Flush Gang" on JL could ruin things. Of course they're won't be reference to Batman beyond, but who knows.

I don't think that Aqualad could ruin any continunity because for all we know this one may have a completly different origin.

Besides I more worried about how the origins will be handled because Raven and Cyborg all I have origins that probably won't be mentioned or changed around alot.

[susan123]

FYI-There is a brief news bite about Teen Titans at http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/dfnews.html

[Chris Wood]

Perhaps you only listened to bands that weren't so good, but for every bad J-Pop band, I could name a bad band in another genre.

That's certainly ambitious. You'd have to do an awful lot of naming.

[GL2k2]

I don't think that Aqualad could ruin any continunity because for all we know this one may have a completly different origin.


Basically, yeah, if they give Aqualad a different origin than be Aquaman's son, then that's cool. Knowing how much Timm and co. like to play with continuity like that, they may do that.

I also have a question for the Titan fans here. Does anyone have a website or a definitive list of what their rogues gallery looks like?

[Killtacular]

That's certainly ambitious. You'd have to do an awful lot of naming.
It's not like there's a shortage of bad American rock and pop bands.

[Toddman]

Hey, you never know what the dialogue will really be like based on two minutes from any given show. Anyone remember these gems?

"You play chicken long enough, you get fried."

...and...

"Time for a little Bat-magic!"

Those were both from early episodes of BTAS, and are both prominently featured in the "Voices of Gotham City" feature on the new BTAS DVD.

Also, I haven't seen anything in Aquaman's two appearances that would suggest the existence of an Aqualad flies in the face of continuity. Aqualad is not Aquaman's son for one thing, he's his ward, just as Dick Grayson was Bruce Wayne's ward.

(I'm also not sure how the appearance of the Royal Flush Gang would hurt the fabric of the Animated DCU if they show up in JL...)

As for how the JLA/Titans team-ups have worked in the comics, there really haven't been that many. In the glory days of the JLA comics, they teamed up with every other group in the DC multi-verse from the JSA to the Legion of Super-Heroes to the Freedom Fighters to the New Gods, but never the Titans. They showed up in one or two issues of the original Titans comic book series, but never in a full-fledged team-up. They also made a memorable appearance fighting against the Titans in "New Teen Titans" #4. It was a very cool issue with a mind-controlled group of Titans fighting their mentors. The story involved elements of Raven's origin. Other than that, I'd look for the TPB of the 3-4 year old JLA/Titans miniseries written by Devin Grayson and drawn by Phil Jiminez.

And speaking of origins, they kept Cyborg's origin the same on the Superfriends, so I don't see why it would be too taboo for TT.

Toddman

[Toddman]

And anyone who wants a load of info on the Titan's Rogue's Gallery will find some good info here: http://titanstower.com/meeting.html

Now that I think about it, the villain featured in the TT sneak preview seemed a lot less like Plasmus and more like Clayface. Unless he's been changed to a less lethal version for the animated series, Plasmus could not shape-shift like Clayface. Instead, he would simply horribly burn, kill or destroy any object that he touched. Except for those tight little briefs he wore, apparently.

Toddman

[DCU Bat]

I just checked out this....particular site and If you and scroll all the way down to the BRIEFLY, you see some news that goes something like this :


Work has begun on a second season of the Teen Titans animated series.

HUH!?!? Already?? We haven't even seen an episode of Season 1 much less Talkback on it and they're confident enough to invest money on a second season? either WB is weirder than I originaly thought or this is a false rumour.

Could someone at Toonzone clarify this please? I think that.....certain site may be a bit unrealiable.

[susan123]

I saw the same news bite too DCU Bat--most likely the same website whose name cannot be mentioned here. I hope this is just a rumor too.
How can WB drag their feet so long in approving a second season for Justice League but approve a second season for a show that's only aired in a 90 second preview?! :eek:

[James Harvey]

I can confirm it. Infact, I know what some of the episodes are about, but I am not allowed to say anything. I didn't know I was allowed to say anything about the production of the second season. I guess I can, now. So, yes, I can confirm that a second season of Teen Titans is already in the works. While that site is incredibly unreliable from time to time, that information is correct.

[DCU Bat]

I can confirm it. Infact, I know what some of the episodes are about, but I am not allowed to say anything. I didn't know I was allowed to say anything about the production of the second season. I guess I can, now. So, yes, I can confirm that a second season of Teen Titans is already in the works. While that site is incredibly unreliable from time to time, that information is correct.

Thanks alot for the confirmation, Jim!!

Jeez!! I mean I never knew a network would so hasty to invest so much money on a show we haven't even seen. Are they this confident or are they just jobless? ;)

[Killtacular]

I wish people would stop ignoring me.

TEEN TITANS IS A CARTOON NETWORK PRODUCTION. NOT KIDS WB.

Cartoon Network also gave a second season to Kids Next Door before it aired. And in the past they gave shows multiple-season committments. It's never out of the question.

[GL2k2]

Second Season?! What?! Man, the funk is goin' on here?! We haven't even seen the second season of JL.

[Killtacular]

That's probably why they're doing it. It's better not to delay the production. Means the second season will come sooner than..well. a year.

[Bird Boy]

Took me a couple days, but here they are:


http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/teentitans/KidsWBPromo/01.jpg (http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/teentitans)

Click on the image to view the other 19.

I think image #19 portrays what I almost did after seeing Beast Boy break into anime tears--now I've come to accept the art style and whatnot..but those tears...they...irk me.

-BB

[Barb Gordon]

Yeah, the tears still irk me too, about as much as Robin having steel boots still, but not as much as Starfire having pupils. Looking at Starfire more and more, I'm getting a bit more used to her, and dare I say, even liking her design. Raven, who was one character they didn't change that much in the first place, still seems overly cool. But dear god, poor Clayface. And yes, last time I checked after reading reports and such, that is Clayface and no other villain....augh.

~Barb

[James]

To sound less like a raving looney, I'd just like to make it clear, that my grievance is in relation to the rest of the Animated Bat mythos. As it's own toon, it looks bareable. Animation isn't too bad, and the designs bareable.. I just don't like what it offers in relation to what we've had and presently got.

The whole character and style seems way out of place. As for the theme.. it is annoying, but at least it's not the standard squeally electric guitar/mindless keyboard chords/bland dancebeat that all toons these days suffer..

[Maxie Zeus]

I haven't said anything about Teen Titans because (a) I know nothing about the characters, and (b) I haven't seen a single clip or image from it. I've been kind of cold to it because I've gotten very tired of the "teen superhero" conceit, and production standards across the board seem to have declined precipitously. The promotional image that has been out (the team members charging the camera) has left me cringing with horror.

But looking at the images Bird Boy posted, I'm definitely feeling more charitable. Yeah, I can't tell anything about the animation, so I'm still agnostic there. But these images are a lot handsomer than I had feared. As for continuity, both story-wise and stylistic? Get over it. (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=74346) :p

Granted, these higher expectations are up from the abysmally low ones I've been having. But I always give a show a "three strikes and you're out" test -- and I'm pretty lenient when calling "foul ball" -- so I was going to give a try out anyway. But I'm feeling better about it than I was before.

[DCU Bat]

It's weird how your perspective changes when you see them in their finalized form, As much as I didn't like their designs before, it's starting to grow on me now after seeing Bird Boy's screencaps.

In a couple of shots they look quite decent and I'm confident can gel well with the current style of the DCUA. I just hope Robin is potrayed properly, I know that Tim Drake won't show up the First season (That sucks) so least they could do is give him a darker demure.

Yeah, Beast Boy's tears irked me too.

Now, I gotta see a clip. Is it possible in ToonZone can upload this?

PS : I serously hope to god that's not Clayface!!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Does anybody know if that's Clayface or not?

[nothing]

it's not Clayface.

**twenty-three**