Lone Gunmen Cancelled.

[James Harvey]

At the last minute they cancelled it to make way for a new drama called PASADENA. Start your laughing (and crying) now.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
At the last minute they cancelled it to make way for a new drama called PASADENA. Start your laughing (and crying) now.

Crap. Are they even going to give us the honor of wrapping up the season cliffhanger, either with a special episode or tying it into X Files next year?

[James Harvey]

I'm guessing the latter.

[Jedi Knight]

DAMMIT!!!!

I swear, every single show that I like ends up getting canned. It's unbelievable!

Is the X-Files back for sure? I hope they kill Mulder. I really hate David Duchovny.

[James Harvey]

They will announce it tomorrow, but X-FILES is definatly back for it's ninth (and very likely) last season. With Duchoveny back for the occaisonal cameo, expect the focus to shift on Scully and Doggit, and that new chick throughout the season. and the Gunmen will have appearances.
:)

[Clayface]

I'm sorely tempted to test the foul language filter of these boards right now. I can't begin to express how ticked off I am about this. :mad:

[Crazy8s]

I'm used to it--shows I really enjoy always get no resepect! TLG was the only live action show that I really cared about.

What I don't understand is how Dark Angel can continue--did it get such great numbers? And I've seen it posted that the Gunmen are scheduled to appear in the X-Files finale season episode--kinda hard since they were left in a dire prediciment at the end of their series! :(

[Chiropterarex]

Well, I must say that when I saw this thread I laughed for a long time. I watched this show until the one where they have that Spanish tango competition. Then I said, "Forget it." I thought that this would be a really cool show. I tried to like it, but it just didn't do it for me.

I loved Byers, Langley, and Frohike and I though that Yves was good. It's that stupid, moronic Jimmy that made me stop watching. They could have done some much better with him. Instead they make him a bumbling idiot. Give me a break! I loved the first episode of The Lone Gunmen because it didn't have Jimmy. After they introduced him in the second ep I started to get mad at the show.

Another part that I hated was that the truth was never exposed. Now that's usually what happened in The X-Files because the stories were always covered up or buried under lies, but I found even that to be incredibly frustrating. Mulder and Scully couldn't buy a vowel most of the time. And the truth is still out there. I love The X-Files a lot. But one show where nothing is accomplished is enough. Sure the Lone Gunmen could report about it, but most of time they barely had the funds to get their story to the people. What's the point!?!

Believe me I did try to like the show. I wanted it to succeed. I love the Lone Gunmen on The X-Files, but their own show did not work well. I guess Chris Carter will have to try again. Will FOX give him another chance?

[Mr. Obsession]

:mad:

Joy! Just one more piece of news to help take my day down another notch.


:mad:

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Chiropterarex

I loved Byers, Langley, and Frohike and I though that Yves was good. It's that stupid, moronic Jimmy that made me stop watching. They could have done some much better with him. Instead they make him a bumbling idiot.



Actually, its Jimmy that makes the show so great, IMO. I mean, I love the Lone Gunmen, but Jimmy has become my favorite character on the show. He's not a bumbling idiot, actually. If you had stuck with teh sow, you would have seen that he's shown himself to be, in some ways, the smartest of them all. He's the big oaf, but a loveable big oaf. My favorite episode of the entire season wasthe episode where they introduced. I still crack up everytime I think of that blind footbal team.





What's the point!?!



The point is to keep fighting the good fight. It may seem futile at times, but in the long run, they do some good (much like a lot of real life).

[Calhoun07]

I'll admit that when I saw him first with the blind football team, I cringed. I thought he was just going to be another moron, and if that was the case, I would be among those who hated Jimmy. But if you watched the show, and I mean really watched each episode, and paid attention to the character development, you would have see that Jimmy was more than just a moron. He was actually probably sharper than any of the other three but just had inexperience in using it.

Jimmy was becoming a much more three dimensional character towards the end of the season. And now the series is over, the great character that was coming to fruition is gone. I can only hope that Fox will re-consider their actions and bring back the Lone Gunmen as a mid season replacement next year, or at least they will bring Jimmy into the episodes of the X Files with the Lone Gunmen. I'd hate to see a great character in development just die like that.

As far as the cancellation of the series, I'm still upset about it. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/angry/1shifty.gif

[James Harvey]

It was one of those 'ONE THE BUBBLE' shows that should've been saved, dammit!

[Peace Keeper]

In these past 2 years, the X-files got really crappy. Once they killed off the ELDERS, it all went down hill. I stopped watching it when T-1000 became the star. I liked the LONE GUNMEN more b/c is was about conspiracies. I, however, did not like JIMMY. I wasn't too crazy about Byers either.

[James Harvey]

Actually, this season has been one of the most acclaimed seasons the show has ever had, becuase of Robert Patrick.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Actually, this season has been one of the most acclaimed seasons the show has ever had, becuase of Robert Patrick.

Yep. He's the reason I came back to the show, and I've loved what he's done in this season. I almost wish X-Files would continue another couple of seasons just so we could see more of him.

[James Harvey]

From the episodes that I've watched this season, which weren't much, I see he's doing a helluva job. And I'm glad he won't be typecasted as the T2 villian. He's on for next season, along with Gillian Anderson I think.

[Chiropterarex]

I must admit that before The X-Files all I had seen Patrick in was T2. I really like his character. He looks like a guy that would own a truck, too. A person that would kick the tires on his truck every morning. I also think that the eps have gotten better this year. I loved the Boston Subway one along with the healer spirit one where Mulder tried to be healed by the creature but didn't, and the one two weeks ago where the creature blinds his victims with a venom that liquifies their insides. These have been some of the best eps and there are many more that I haven't named. Even the first part of the finale was good, and I haven't been too impressed with the alien conspiracy ones this year. I wish that they would use Lea more though.

Quote by Clayface:

The point is to keep fighting the good fight.

I guess that's ok, but I can only handle one show that fights the good fight and that is The X-Files. Maybe it will be explained in this second part of the finale, but I still don't understand why Mulder was "cured." First they couldn't get the healer to bring him back to life, then we learn that there's heal-all for Mulder. I didn't buy it. I am glad that he's back, but it seemed really odd to me though. I mean, they had to dig him up. And it wasn't until after he was dug up that he "lived" again. I couldn't follow that at all. In The Lone Gunmen I became very frustrated in the ep where the car that ran on water could not be revealed. Why couldn't it be!?! The reasons that they gave were completely bogus. Writing about it in a paper that does not have the attention of the people will not help their cause one bit.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Chiropterarex

In The Lone Gunmen I became very frustrated in the ep where the car that ran on water could not be revealed. Why couldn't it be!?! The reasons that they gave were completely bogus.



What were the reasons they gave? I don't remember anymore.




Writing about it in a paper that does not have the attention of the people will not help their cause one bit.


Honestly though, what are they supposed to do with the info? Go to a big nationwide paper? They'd be looked at like they were kooks, and be laughed out of the place. So, they put the information out there in their own format for anyone that may be interested. Those that want to see the truth can, and those that want to live with their heads in the sand, do so.

[Failure]

TV execs. I can't for the life of me figure them out. :(

I don't see how shows like Boot Camp and Cops and all that crap continue to come back year after year, and something like LGM can't make it past 13 eps. I really liked that show, it was a good, lighthearte complement to the X-Files. I guess the ratings weren't that great, but I heard they were constantly increasing, and anyway, what the heck did they expect? They put a show on at Friday night, with Cops as a lead in, were they expecting ER-esque ratings? Geez. I hope some other network picks them up, *Gulp* even UPN.

[Jedi Knight]

Didn't they say it couldn't be revealed because it would cause the economy to collapse? If you think about it, a water-powered car would kill pretty much all oil and gas companies, and most car manufacturers would have to start at square one again. I figure that would definitely crush the economy. The only way to convert to water-powered cars would be through a gradual shift (i.e. hybrids, and so on) like we are with cars like the Honda Insight.


Also, just wanted to put in my 2 cents abotu Jimmy. I thought he was a good character, and he definitely did develop quite nicely throughout the season. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that he's ALWAYS the voice of reason, and that he's ALWAYS right. I thought they kinda dropped him into that role, but that's a minor complaint.

As for The X-Files, I like it MUCH better without David Duchovny. That guy just dragged the show down (I hate the actor, not the character). Robert Patrick has done a great job as Doggett, and I hope the show stays as good next season.

[Chiropterarex]

Yeah, Jedi Knight is right about the reasons why the engine could never be revealed. A whole chain of events that would lead to a crash of the economy. So big oil gets hit. They do not just make gas. There are millions of other products that use oil in the manufacturing process. Gasoline is probably the largest section of the oil industry, but they could survive.

I also don't think that it would be too hard to change the automobile industry to water-based engines. If, in the show, they had introduced the invention to the auto companies there would have been some major opponents. And with politics it would have probably taken years for the industry to set the standards and, if they switch to a water-based engine, change the market of car engines. During that whole slow process the oil industry could find better and more environmentally friendly uses for their black gold while at the same time still making money off of gasoline. The economy would not die.

And what would be so hard about setting up a presentation of the water-based engine for the industry or before Congress? Byers' dad is still alive, and he may still have friends in high places. Who knows what the reaction would be to the new engine? There will be arguments both for and against, but the Lone Gunmen would have gained national exposure in a big paper. Then they wouldn't look like kooks. I guess I figured this show to be a little more idealistic than The X-Files. Somehow the truth would have actually gotten out there. Sure, people out there may have read The Magic Bullet. Of course, people out there also read tabloids, and these may be the same people who also read The Magic Bullet.

Man, I do go on. I wanted to get my two-bits in on this, though, because I really tried to like this show. I guess what I'm trying to say, Clayface, is that people shouldn't be ignorant of the truth. I just wish The Lone Gunmen had exposed the truth to the masses and let them chew on it for a while.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Chiropterarex
Yeah, Jedi Knight is right about the reasons why the engine could never be revealed. A whole chain of events that would lead to a crash of the economy. So big oil gets hit. They do not just make gas. There are millions of other products that use oil in the manufacturing process. Gasoline is probably the largest section of the oil industry, but they could survive.



Ok, I remember now. And I'd have to agree with the reasons - it would deal a crushing blow to the oil companies. Yes, there are other prorducts that use oil, but its not where the big money comes from - if the oil companies could survive and profit on those alone, they wouldn't need to pump as much of their resources into gasoline production as they. You said it yourself, gasoline is probably the largest section of the oil industry. Take away the demand for the major product from any large industry, and its going to collapse. No industry is going to take losing their biggest, most profitable product very well. And this wouldn't just kill the gasoline income. That kind of technological breakthrough would have huge ramifications, and could be applied to so many other applications. They weren't very specific about the supposed technology on the show, so there's really no telling what else that tech could have been used for - it may very well have been a way to completely wipe out the need for oil. Whatever the details, I don't think their explanation was bad at all. Besides, I'd say 50% of the X-Files episodes we've seen have much, much more less satisfactory explanations, and yet we still watch that.




I also don't think that it would be too hard to change the automobile industry to water-based engines.



Oh, sure it would. Just look at how hard its been to get the hybrid cars into the market. Anytime you have any significant change in the components like a whole new type of engine, you have to completley overhaul your production facilities, which costs a huge amount of money. Yet another reason there would be opponents to the water-engine - the car companies would lose a huge amount of money initially in updating their production facilities.




During that whole slow process the oil industry could find better and more environmentally friendly uses for their black gold while at the same time still making money off of gasoline.



I think the point is that the water engine would make that "black gold" into fool's gold.




And what would be so hard about setting up a presentation of the water-based engine for the industry or before Congress?



Nothing, but playing the devil's advocate in conspiracy theories, I think part of the point of the show is that any "truth" they may try to present will be sabotaged. That's why they run the paper - if they try for any large nationwide coverage, they'll be sabotaged, by either direct physical attacks, attacks on their character and/o integrity, or attacks on their evidence.




I guess I figured this show to be a little more idealistic than The X-Files.



Why? Both shows are from the same creator. We're used to little or no explanation in theh X-Files, and I always expected that to follow into the Lone Gunmen. Thankfully, they've done a better job than X-Files, IMO, of giving explanations.

It sounds to me like you just had a certain set of expectations for the show, and they didn't meet them for you.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
At the last minute they cancelled it to make way for a new drama called PASADENA.

Pasadena....hmm, could it be staring a little old lady?

I only saw a little bit of an ep once but I enjoyed what I saw. But what I'm most sad about is I expected FOX to kill off this show.

[The Flash]

Well I never watched it....but during the NASCAR Winston CUp races they always showed ads for it. It looked pretty funny...I wish I had watched it now. http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/hrmph.gif

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Failure
TV execs. I can't for the life of me figure them out. :(

I don't see how shows like Boot Camp and Cops and all that crap continue to come back year after year, and something like LGM can't make it past 13 eps. I really liked that show, it was a good, lighthearte complement to the X-Files. I guess the ratings weren't that great, but I heard they were constantly increasing, and anyway, what the heck did they expect? They put a show on at Friday night, with Cops as a lead in, were they expecting ER-esque ratings? Geez. I hope some other network picks them up, *Gulp* even UPN.

Yeah, man, as if WORLD'S MOST DANGEROUS POLICE CHASES MMVXIII gets THAT many more ratings than the Lone Gunmen ever did. Friday nights on Fox blows, and the Lone Gunmen was the best thing that network had on that night in a long long time.

Why couldn't they just put the Lone Gunmen on FX? I don't understand why Chris Carter alwasy gets such a shaft with his new shows. I am sure he is under contract so UPN or WB or any other network could ever pick up Lone Gunmen or his other shows. Kinda like that devil's contract Kevin Smith got suckered into with ABC over Clerks.

[Crazy8s]

What I liked about the Lone Gunmen was the lean toward humor and irreverance. I was not X-Files and that was good. I've never been all that interested in X-Files, with or without Mulder. The only episodes I really enjoyed were the ones that were more humorous.

Jimmy did develop and was far from the idiot he appeared to be early on (much like Ray Stantz is far from an idiot, tho full of a sweet innocence). However, I began to get really sick of Jimmy. The shows were becoming more about him and Yves, with the Gunmen as comic relief. He was always right about his hunches, always solving the problems with Yves and almost always on camera. I would have preferred to see as much, if not more, character development with the original trio.

Oh, and I think Byers was a cutie, in a stuffed shirt kinda way. But then again, I kinda thot all of the original three were strangely attractive. Hey, I love techno-geeks!

[Crazy8s]

Fans at the LGM sites have begun several write in campaigns--one to Fox demanding a return of the show and one to UPN asking it to pick the show up. After all, if they're taking other ditched programs like Buffy, it's worth a try--and if they're looking for more shows that appeal to females--well, by the Gunmen sites I've found, ladies form a big base of the fandom.

[The Flash]

"Why couldn't they just put the Lone Gunmen on FX?" Maybe stupid shows liek "Son of the beach" and "The Test" are just more important.......http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Crazy8s

The shows were becoming more about him and Yves, with the Gunmen as comic relief. He was always right about his hunches, always solving the problems with Yves and almost always on camera. I would have preferred to see as much, if not more, character development with the original trio.


This didn't really bother me, but I think that's because I knew this was the way it was going to be. I remember one of the first interviews I read about the show (maybe with Carter?) said that the Lone Gunmen wasn't necessarily going to star the Lone Gunmen. Whoever it was that was answering the questions stated that the real star of the show was going to Yves, and that the trio were going to be more like supporting characters thanthe actual stars. They were going to phase Yves in as the main focus of the show, provided they were actually able to keep the show on the air. So, since I already knew this was coming, it didn't bother me when they started down that path on the show.

[Crazy8s]

To make a spinoff about characters that already have a following (and Frohicke, Langly and Byers DO have an established fandom) and then to make them the second bananas to two unknowns. I guess it's too hard to imagine that less than perfect looking, typical hero types can make it as leads in a show.

Yves made a good secondary character, but the audience that tuned in was more interested in the original Gunmen--and Jimmy was basically uneccessary to the entire show. I guess if you have a good looking female lead, she has to have a good looking male lead to get involved with. Boring. But what do I know, I'm more fascinated by guys like Mendel Craven and Ringo Langly!!!!

[Chiropterarex]

I think that the last Friday show to succeed on FOX was The X-Files and that was a while ago. My cousin had always loved that it was on Friday because he could go do something and tape the show, then watch it later that night. I guess that was probably the last show to succeed on Friday for FOX or Chris Carter. Millennium was also on Fridays and stayed on for three years. I think Harsh Realm was also relegated to Fridays and folded after nine eps. I remember watching the eps of Harsh Realm on FX and was so mad at the last ep. It just leaves you hanging, and nothing is solved. Similarly, I think that's what would happen to The Lone Gunmen if they just showed the eps that they had on FX and finish with the cliffhanger ep. Maybe they'll put the show on FX and put on new eps there. Carter sure likes doing those season finale cliffhanger episodes. In fact, besides the first year I think that this is the only other year that the season final didn't end with "to be continued."

That's surprising that on a show named after the trio, they would have been relegated to second bananas, again, behind Yves and Jimmy. That's pretty comparable to having a Batman or Superman cartoon that focuses on other characters. It did look like Jimmy and Yves got a lot more time than the Lone Gunmen in some parts, but I thought that the roles were basically split down the line between the trio and Jimmy/Yves.

[Calhoun07]

What would happen to the prices of other products if oil companies no longer had to produce gasoline for cars? Sure, other products do use oil and what not, but wouldn't OPEC drive up the prices of their oil prices just to keep their profit? They aren't going to settle for just "surviving." They want the profits.