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Dr Kain
04-13-2003, 09:44 PM
Well my Late Medeival Art teacher teaches a regular Art History class, and she said when they got to the chapter on Islamic Art a few weeks ago, half the class walked out of the room. Talk about rude!! And these are college kids.

Patrick Bateman
04-13-2003, 10:14 PM
Not only is that rude, but damn ignorant as well. Just because there are some pieces of trash that follow the Islamic religion, that's no reason to walk out. For every piece of trash, there are 100 good Islam people. How ignorant. There are bad people who follow every religion. People need to take their hatred out on the individuals that deserve it, not the entire religion and culture.

Zach Logan
04-13-2003, 10:18 PM
Not only is that rude, but damn ignorant as well. Just because there are some pieces of trash that follow the Islamic religion, that's no reason to walk out. For every piece of trash, there are 100 good Islam people. How ignorant. There are bad people who follow every religion. People need to take their hatred out on the individuals that deserve it, not the entire religion and culture.

Gotta agree there, thats pretty much the definition of Religious/Ethnic Discrimination based on no foundings...

Elven Moon
04-13-2003, 10:38 PM
Well that's just silly.

Tanooki
04-13-2003, 11:13 PM
man, that is pretty rude, especially if the students walked out because they reached that chapter. i am currently a college student, and we have been known to walk out of classes just because they get boring. do we know for sure that these students walked out because of the Islamic chapter? well...my guess is yes...but we need to be for certain before we make assumptions. assumptions are never good

KoD

Zechs
04-13-2003, 11:17 PM
What a buncha morons.

RZetlin
04-13-2003, 11:20 PM
This is sad and scary at the same time. This tells you the real mindset of America.

Dr Kain
04-13-2003, 11:30 PM
At least you guys get the point. A few guys on a different forum I posted this on said it is their choice to not participate. But as I said, it is rude, especially to the professor, and shows how much of an ass they are. If they don't want to show up the next class, fine, but not in the middle of it. I think students should be fined for walking out of class without the instructors permission, and fined for having cell phones and pages go off in class.

Nick Biped
04-13-2003, 11:33 PM
Yeah, I'd say it's rude to walk out of a class in any respect. But if they walked out on this class just because they're teaching something Islamic, then they're also being ignorant and bigoted.

Just because people are in college/university, though, doesn't necessarily mean they're any more open-minded or accepting of people or cultures that're different from theirs. The bathroom stalls at my university sometimes get filled with tons of racist and sexist writings.

But never mind. Their behaviour was not just rude, but stupid.

jrh31584
04-14-2003, 12:00 AM
Well my Late Medeival Art teacher teaches a regular Art History class, and she said when they got to the chapter on Islamic Art a few weeks ago, half the class walked out of the room. Talk about rude!! And these are college kids.
Where exactly is this?

DaphHime
04-14-2003, 01:16 AM
Of all the stupidist things I heard this week, this is the icing on the cake!

I don't know much about Islamic art, but from what I've seen they have abouslutely gorgeous architicter. They're missing out on alot of history.

TimTwoFace
04-14-2003, 02:02 AM
Man, that's really sad. Whether it was in response to the Islamic subject or not, that's just rude, period. Imagine how the teacher felt - well, actually, he or she could probably care less, but still.

I've never left classes when they got boring. I would just not show up at all, if anything - but that was pretty rare. :p

-Tim

Dr Kain
04-14-2003, 07:30 AM
Man, that's really sad. Whether it was in response to the Islamic subject or not, that's just rude, period. Imagine how the teacher felt - well, actually, he or she could probably care less, but still.

I've never left classes when they got boring. I would just not show up at all, if anything - but that was pretty rare. :p

-Tim

Nope, she said she could not believe how many people did that.

Oh, Jrh31584, this is at Buffalo State College in Buffalo NY.

Outlander00
04-14-2003, 08:25 AM
It is sad when college students walk out of a class just because of the subject matter that was being covered. But it shows how ignorant people can be in this country. I am reading the Qau'ran now as research for my graphic novels, and it already has shed some light on the entire situation in its entirely.

Zechs
04-14-2003, 12:16 PM
If it were me I'd drop them from the class and make them take it again.

Captain Yurika
04-14-2003, 12:42 PM
I agree, it's rude AND ignorant. At the VERY least, Islamic art has nothing to do with what is going on in the world and the few bad apples of a religion. I believe there is a place for voicing your opinions on a subject but art class wouldn't be one of them. They were not making any statement at all other than how stupid they are.

Jade_GL
04-14-2003, 01:14 PM
When I took my Ancient to Medieval Art class a few semesters ago, it was right after 9/11 almost, and yet no one in my class felt the need to walk out of the Islamic Art portions of the lecture.

These people sound so close-minded that they must not let much get past their filters, like anything in the world that is slightly different than anything they might know about. Ugh.

Anyway, I would make it a point to give them a participation grade of 0 (or close to it) for disrupting the class. Most college classes give syllabi that tell you what you will be covering on a certain day and what assignments need to be read or completed. If they had wanted to skip, I am sure they might have had some inkling beforehand that this subject might come up. Why not just avoid those classes, even though you're missing out on some amazing art knowledge.

Anyway, walking out makes them look like they just wanted a free class off, not that they had some sort of point. And the point doesn't make sense anyway, so I'm just blown away here.

RogueMartian
04-14-2003, 01:53 PM
People can be so stupid sometimes.

But unfortunately, as the constitution protects the rights of intelligent individuals to protest, it also protects the rights of idiots as well. However, it doesn't stop the teacher from failing them. If I was the professor, I would totally give them all lower grades....although not that it would really worry people like this. I'm guessing their GPAs aren't anything to write home about.

Pilmedium
04-14-2003, 04:25 PM
Those people must not be aware that art has nothing to with the few bad people who follow the same religion. It is not a valid reason for anyone to walk out of a class, let alone a bunch of people.

Daniel P
04-14-2003, 04:29 PM
How ignorant and moronic. Every religion has a share of dirtbags and hypocrites, and its no reason to assume all people who follow it are bad.

Reed Richards
04-14-2003, 04:47 PM
what a joke

the catholic denomination has all of the pedophilia scandals-- does that mean you should walk out on a slideshow detailing some of the best cathedral art in europe? of course not

typical stupidity-- only made worse by the people who propogate lies about "all" of islam

every religion has some really really bad people in it.

jeffrey 228
04-14-2003, 09:02 PM
Well my Late Medeival Art teacher teaches a regular Art History class, and she said when they got to the chapter on Islamic Art a few weeks ago, half the class walked out of the room. Talk about rude!! And these are college kids.

Now that is what I call anger management problems and my High school has the near same affect with this issue, and I think Teachers need to be a bit more polite next time.

Joe Tully
04-14-2003, 09:35 PM
I pretty much agree with what's been said so far, so I don't see much point into adding to that.

But, the thing you should learn from this is that your teacher does notice when people don't show up, or leave. In cases like this, it's entirely likely that your teacher will put a special emphasis on Islamic art on the next exam. Maybe an essay question or something. It's possible she won't, but from my experience, teachers like to do stuff like that to punish the students who slack off. And it rewards the students who are truly dedicated. The students who ignore that section are probably going to be sorely regretting it.

I've found that's always something good to keep in mind when studying for exams--sometimes I'll even jot down in a notebook certain dates when kids don't show up for some reason. Those teachers are a vindictive bunch. :)

Dr Kain
04-14-2003, 11:00 PM
Now that is what I call anger management problems and my High school has the near same affect with this issue, and I think Teachers need to be a bit more polite next time.

What?????

Yes Joe Tully, I've had a lot of teachers tell me that they pay attention to people who aren't there and stuff. My Psychology teacher and I were talking about how on the day of the test, he had a bunch of people he has never seen before taking the test. Also, my Art Education teacher watches the kids who walk out of class the moment the attendence sheet goes by. It is hilarious just watching her stare at them as the get up and head for the door.

The Dark Knight
04-17-2003, 01:32 PM
This is sad and scary at the same time. This tells you the real mindset of America.Yeah, how narrow-minded and ignorant it is to stereotype an entire religion, or for that matter nation, based on the actions of a few. I guess now we know how all Americans think based on this one incident involving a couple of people.

Supreme
04-17-2003, 03:30 PM
At least you guys get the point. A few guys on a different forum I posted this on said it is their choice to not participate. But as I said, it is rude, especially to the professor, and shows how much of an ass they are. If they don't want to show up the next class, fine, but not in the middle of it. I think students should be fined for walking out of class without the instructors permission, and fined for having cell phones and pages go off in class.

If it were me I'd drop them from the class and make them take it again.

I'll have to voice the minority and say that they were in the right. I'm not saying that I agree with their stance (more on that later), but they are well within their rights to protest.

College students pretty much cannot be fined for anything short of breaking the law. College is not high school, so the restrictions associated with HS are not there. You actually pay for college and are not required to get a college education. The cell phone/pager rule is a completely different issue. Also, an instructor simply cannot drop a student for even missing a class, much less walking out halfway through. Some districts have a minimal attendance criteria (which also depends on the instructor enforcing it), so they may have satisfied that already.

When I went to college, I attended about 1/3 of most of my classes, and I managed to squeek by with a 3.94 GPA. I've walked out of classes for many different reasons, including boredom.

The main thing I am concerned with is that the story is incomplete. Did these people plan this walk-out in advance? What is the specfic reason for the walk-out? It may seem like you are just putting 2 and 2 together to come up with 4, but there may be more to it than even the "witness" (Dr. Kain) knows.

Mackenzie Rainelle
04-17-2003, 05:28 PM
When I went to college, I attended about 1/3 of most of my classes, and I managed to squeek by with a 3.94 GPA. I've walked out of classes for many different reasons, including boredom.

.....What the hell kinda college did you go to? I'm starting at SCAD this fall, and if you miss more than four days in the quarter, the teacher fails your ass.

To go back on subject, there's really not much I can say that hasn't already been mentioned. Yes, people have the right to protest, but that is the most idiotic...okay, not THE most idiotic...protest I've ever heard of. "Oooh, some Islams want to blow us away, let's show 'em by not studying their art!" Such stupidity.

Angel_Baby
04-17-2003, 10:12 PM
I'm sorry i'm in jr. high and still I know that that knid of thing is wrong. I was taught to respect my elders! not dis respect them by just up and walking out!
~jenn :p

WingZombie38
04-19-2003, 05:38 PM
On a side note, in my college it's 3 days or 6 lateness (more than 5 minutes) that get you an F. Man, if only I could attend 1/3 off classes... Not only that, I HATE my college Art History professor. He never goes over the Islamic, Asian, African, etc., chapters. All he focuses on is Europe. ARGH!!!

I can't BELIEVE those idiots did that! Stuff like this makes me feel like I'm gonna start foaming at the mouth!!! I pretty much agree with all that has been said. They proved nothing by walking out.

They walk out of class but do they know about all the wonderful things that have been integrated into our art and culture (EVERY DAY LIFE AND KNOWLEDGE) because of Islam? To people like this (those that walk out and stuff) I say this: Look at your life and the way you live. Now, don't picture, but physically TAKE OUT everything that has any trace of Islamic/Arabic foundations or influence. Then tell me how your dang life would be better off!

(The above I usually say to anyone who is racist or whatever. You know the type who hate everything about a "group" but then uses stuff from that "group". I.E.: Someone says they hate nerds and want absolutely nothing to do with them. Then they go off and proclaim the computers and Microsoft to be the best things ever. Hmm, what would their makers be classified as?)

Supreme
04-19-2003, 08:35 PM
Just to clarify, it pays to have a good rapport with your professors. I usually told them in advance that I wouldn't be showing up. It also pays to "get" the material without someone lecturing it for four hours a day.