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Talking to someone on the boards the other day and we got into who would win between Batman and Spider-man. He went with Batman and came up with some solid reasons. I came up with Spidey and came up with some solid reasons. Who do you think would win. I ask that you come up with intelligent anwsers (not "Batman would win because he is the best ever!) type crap. And please, no Marvel vs DC.
So, Spider-man or Batman?
Jade_GL
03-19-2003, 05:17 PM
I would say Batman in a close fight.
Batman is good at a little thing I like to call... Cheating. He is a master at finding out someone's weakness and exploiting that weakness.
Take for instance what he did to Superman in recent issues of Batman. He couldn't outright *beat* Superman in a fight, so he used his head and a) knew his weakness was Kryptonite and used it, b) lied in a way that made Superman not use certain powers, and c) he eventually, and this is the dirty part, had Catwoman choose someone from the Daily Planet to "put in peril" to make Superman snap out of his Poison Ivy induced daze. Catwoman picked Lois and Superman saved the day and Batman, through his knowledge, didn't exactly *win* but he did come out on top.
From what I have seen of Spider-man, I think he's an absolutely awesome character, but I just don't think he has that certain edge that would make him beat Batman in an all out fight. Batman has numerous tools to cut the webs that Spider-man uses, he is at the peak of physical training, and he walks a very fine line between playing fair and playing very dirty. I think he can play dirty and Spider-man doesn't look to have the mentality, at least in what I have seen.
Spider-man does have his Spider sense, and that could definitely give him an advantage. However, Batman has numerous tools (I said this already but it's a big point) that allow him to have above normal senses as well. (night vision inserts in his cowl that allow him to see in the dark, etc.)
But I still think Batman will take the fight because he constantly cheats, not a bad thing in a fight, but he does. :D
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The Detective
03-19-2003, 05:52 PM
For the love of heck! Talk about spoilers! I haven't read the latest Batman issue and you just posted a summary! Oh well I don't care that much about spoilers.
Anyhoo I say Batman. Now I really like Spider-Man and it would be a close fight but I really think that Batman would win. He has an arsenal of weapons at his disposal, and really besides the webbing what could Spidey do to Bats that much? And Bats could cut the webs. Spidey is very agile though and with his Spider sense it would be hard for Batman to hit him with a batarang or anything. I would still give it to Batman though. You have to remember he's an expert in hand to hand combat with a high endurance level.
Patrick Bateman
03-19-2003, 06:30 PM
I say Batman. As Jade already mentioned, he's a master manipulator. Not only that, but Spider-Man really isn't that hard to beat. Look at all the people in Marvel comics who've handed Spidey his ass at one time or another. It's no contest.
NightwingWC
03-19-2003, 07:13 PM
Batman would leave spiderman with his web tangled.
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James
03-19-2003, 07:36 PM
Batman - if he can beat the likes of Supes (and pretty much any super hero/villain - and he's taken on Supes before the more recent outing) he can take out Spidey. Super powers seem to mean nothing to the Dark Detective - I couldn't manage Spidey having much of a chance... even with powers, Bats would trick him. Spidey has many obvious character vunerabilities which Bats would exploit to his advantages...
Nightflower
03-19-2003, 07:45 PM
Ah, the ultimate fanboy question. :D
The typical answer should sum up as "Batman - if he had enough time to prepare." ;)
As you already know I went with Spider-man. Heres why. He has beaten people stronger, fasterand peoplewith better endurance than Batman. I've taken your points and considered them
Anyhoo I say Batman. Now I really like Spider-Man and it would be a close fight but I really think that Batman would win. He has an arsenal of weapons at his disposal, and really besides the webbing what could Spidey do to Bats that much? And Bats could cut the webs. Spidey is very agile though and with his Spider sense it would be hard for Batman to hit him with a batarang or anything. I would still give it to Batman though. You have to remember he's an expert in hand to hand combat with a high endurance level.
Spidey knows how to fight. And he's smart so eventually he would get Batmans utility belt away from him.
I say Batman. As Jade already mentioned, he's a master manipulator. Not only that, but Spider-Man really isn't that hard to beat. Look at all the people in Marvel comics who've handed Spidey his ass at one time or another. It's no contest.
Who's beaten Spidey? I don't know of anyone, but that could just be a lack of knowledge. :rolleyes:
Batman would leave spiderman with his web tangled.
I asked for reasons if you remember.
Batman - if he can beat the likes of Supes (and pretty much any super hero/villain - and he's taken on Supes before the more recent outing) he can take out Spidey. Super powers seem to mean nothing to the Dark Detective - I couldn't manage Spidey having much of a chance... even with powers, Bats would trick him. Spidey has many obvious character vunerabilities which Bats would exploit to his advantages.
Didn't Batman nearly break his hand punching Superman in "A Death In The Family"? See your point about tricking him. He did it well with Supes in the last issue of Batman.
Ah, the ultimate fanboy question.
The Ultimate fanboy indeed. :D
Patrick Bateman
03-20-2003, 06:43 PM
Who's beaten Spidey? I don't know of anyone, but that could just be a lack of knowledge.
Every villain under the sun has kicked the crap out of Spider-Man. He always seems to get beat, and then he uses his knowledge from defeat to beat them the second time around. That's the problem. I see Spidey as someone who has to have his ass kicked before he can kick ass. That's just my opinion from reading various comics and watching the entire animated series.
its sooo batman. He can do anything, and has a zillion items of weapons and technology at his fingertips--- I just dont see Spiderman topping that no matter how much web slinging he can do
Brainatra
03-21-2003, 12:25 AM
I'm going with Spider-Man...mainly out of spite for the current version of Batman (or "BatGod-who-acts-like-Nightwing's-first-name" as he currently seems to be written...). :-p
Besides, is this assuming they're just thrown together without much/any knowledge of each other and fight it out, or is this set up for the future (for the "Batman having enough time to prepare" stuff)? Is this in some dark Gotham alleyway or on the skyscrapers of New York? Does Batman get to use his utility belt, I presume? And wouldn't Spidey's spider-strength, speed, and reflexes come into play, along with (if *he* gets "time to prepare" as well, Peter's scientific know-how? Peter's certainly no mental slouch...). OK, so I brought up a bunch of factors that actually make my decision hard to call... :-)
-B.
Hurricane V1
03-21-2003, 09:01 AM
I can't see Batman matching Spiderman's physically, Spidey is so used to dodging projectiles that Batarangs wouldn't be much of a probably. I think the only way Batman would win is to set a trap.
Thing
03-21-2003, 09:25 AM
Spider-Man. But it could also be Batman. Both of them are really clever, but I think Spider-Man would win in an all out fight because of his super strength/agility and Spider-sense. Batman would need some time to plan a trap, but if it was just one battle, he wouldn't have as much time.
Later...
jeffrey 228
03-21-2003, 10:33 AM
Batman Has more cunning Moves then Spiderman, plus you don't end up getting tied in strings of webs when Traveling or fight crime.
Domino
03-21-2003, 01:33 PM
Spider-Man is superhumanly fast, so he goes first. He webs Batman up, using one of the wide settings on his webshooters. Batman can't even move within the tensile strength of Spider-Man's web to reach one of his weapons. I'm a big Batman fan, but this isn't even close.
Joe Tully
03-21-2003, 03:54 PM
It depends on whose comic it is.
If it's Batman's comic, Batman wins. If it's Spidey's comic, Spidey wins.
Yeah, I'm a wiseass. :p But you know it's true.
Thing
03-21-2003, 09:15 PM
Come to think of it, Spidey beats a lot of other super heroes. The only guy I can think of he lost to was Daredevil?
Later...
NightwingWC
03-21-2003, 09:56 PM
that brings up an interesting idea, batman versus daredevil.
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James
03-22-2003, 09:26 AM
Spider-Man is superhumanly fast, so he goes first. He webs Batman up, using one of the wide settings on his webshooters. Batman can't even move within the tensile strength of Spider-Man's web to reach one of his weapons. I'm a big Batman fan, but this isn't even close.
Well I think you could swing it either way. The biggest error villains make with Batman is presumption. That just because he's webbed up and on the floor. He is defeated. Bat's could get out of that - and while he's trying he would play mind games with Spidey just to throw him off... never unestimated Batman's ingenuity - it goes far beyond what lies in his utility belt.
NightwingWC
03-22-2003, 01:54 PM
well u can also think about the fact that spider-man is kinda freaked out and scared of batman which we learned in "Spider-Man and Batman" in 1995.
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Domino
03-22-2003, 09:18 PM
Well I think you could swing it either way. The biggest error villains make with Batman is presumption. That just because he's webbed up and on the floor. He is defeated. Bat's could get out of that - and while he's trying he would play mind games with Spidey just to throw him off... never unestimated Batman's ingenuity - it goes far beyond what lies in his utility belt.
How does Batman gets out of Spider-Man's webbing without the use of his weapons? The webbing has a tensile strength of 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section, according to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. And who's to say that Spider-Man stops there? He goes first, webs Batman, and while Batman struggles against the webbing to pull a rabbit from his hat, Spider-Man punches him with a strength that can press 10 tons. Batman can take a punch, but not the equivalent of having five cars dropped on his face!
Let's say that Batman gets a shot in. Spider-Man has sufficient reflexes to dodge machine gun fire. What weapon does Batman have that can compete with the muzzle velocity of a gun? His punches travel at around 100 mph, which is not even 1/6 the muzzle velocity of a gun. To Spider-Man, they're in slow motion.
All of a sudden, I think I need to watch Stand by Me. "Superman would win. He's a real guy, and Mighty Mouse is a cartoon." :)
James
03-23-2003, 12:55 PM
How does Batman gets out of Spider-Man's webbing without the use of his weapons? The webbing has a tensile strength of 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section, according to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. And who's to say that Spider-Man stops there? He goes first, webs Batman, and while Batman struggles against the webbing to pull a rabbit from his hat, Spider-Man punches him with a strength that can press 10 tons. Batman can take a punch, but not the equivalent of having five cars dropped on his face!
Let's say that Batman gets a shot in. Spider-Man has sufficient reflexes to dodge machine gun fire. What weapon does Batman have that can compete with the muzzle velocity of a gun? His punches travel at around 100 mph, which is not even 1/6 the muzzle velocity of a gun. To Spider-Man, they're in slow motion.
All of a sudden, I think I need to watch Stand by Me. "Superman would win. He's a real guy, and Mighty Mouse is a cartoon." :)
Well you've made the scenerio so you've offered little room for options. Spider has weaknesses - all of which can be exploited. That's how Batman has beated Superman and other superbeings. Adapting, learning and manipulating.
SpiderMan is susceptable to sonic charges, blinding light and taunting. Batman doesn't need to be fast when he knows precisely how to take a man down. You can attack areas of the body which others may not know are vunerable.
I believe that strength in mental ability and strategy would overcome brawn.
John6777
03-23-2003, 01:01 PM
Its no contest , Batman would win and here is why. 1st Batman can take down any member of the Justice League one on one since he knows all their weaknesses. I would like to see Spider-man beat Superman. Secondly Batman is way smarter i mean sure Spider-man is a scientist but Batman is smart where it counts and could easily think up a way to beat Spider-man before he got a chance to fight. 3rd Batman beat Carnage.
Thing
03-23-2003, 05:59 PM
Spider-Man doesn't have any particular weaknesses. The only way I can see Batman using a "weakness" against Spider-Man would be if he kidnapped one of his friends or lovers.
And I think Spider-Man beat Super Boy. Although, that's hardly Super Man, I don't see why Spider-Man wouldn't be smart enough to beat Super Man.
Later...
Patrick Bateman
03-24-2003, 12:09 AM
How does Batman gets out of Spider-Man's webbing without the use of his weapons? The webbing has a tensile strength of 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section, according to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. And who's to say that Spider-Man stops there? He goes first, webs Batman, and while Batman struggles against the webbing to pull a rabbit from his hat, Spider-Man punches him with a strength that can press 10 tons. Batman can take a punch, but not the equivalent of having five cars dropped on his face!
But the thing is, he wouldn't. Spidey wouldn't hit a human that hard, because it would kill them. Not only that, but Spider-Man does sometimes have a tendency to not take opposition seriously.
Domino
03-24-2003, 06:32 AM
How about this? Batman would win, because when he fights he's a real live stunt double, and when Spider-Man fights, he's a computer-generated image!
Id like to see a Celebrity Death match now lol. Thered be a lot of stupid jokes but it would be nifty to see each in action
How about this? Batman would win, because when he fights he's a real live stunt double, and when Spider-Man fights, he's a computer-generated image!
LMAO Clever but I dont know if that counts in the comic world.
NightwingWC
03-24-2003, 02:57 PM
hey domino, love ur avatar!!!
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jgully
03-25-2003, 04:38 PM
batman would win once who found out spidey's identity and studied his weaknesses if they had just met spidey would wipe the floor with him
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