Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles "Things Change" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

R Chocolate

02-08-2003, 11:20 AM

The premiere episode was pretty nice. Love the final scene
with Oruku Saki (Shredder) the animation was great there.
With the use of letterbox, they're clearly trying to emulate Samurai Jack, some of this worked, some didn't. The Turtles
had good voices and I loved the jab at the old TMNT series with Michaelangelo about to say Cowabunga (his trademark) but Raphael stops him. So far, this was a good episode but I wish
it had been a full-hour show. I'm definitely eager for next week's episode and Casey Jones is slated to make his premiere in
episode 4. As for the new theme song, it's okay.

Simpler Simon

02-08-2003, 11:28 AM

That rocked! The series feels a little more laid back than most cartoons these days - it doesn't feel the need to throw in a major fight scene right away, letting us instead get to know the turtles slowly, and toss in some minor skermishes.

- I actually liked the writing and humor. Especially Don's "last bus to anywhere but here!" and Mikey's ""spring-time clean!" line. Classic turtles.

-Good, fluid animation.

-Only thing I didn't like was how after the setup for the Purple Dragons in the intro, all we see are them being beaten up and tossed in a pile. It woulda been cool to see the Turtles disarming them, fighting with em, etc.

Oh, Casey Jones appeared in two episodes in the original series - one involving Krang's knucklehead robot and machines taking over the city, and the Octopus Inc. episode "Corporate Raiders from Dimension X" I think.

Sharklady

02-08-2003, 11:28 AM

> Was he a movie-only character? Or did they add him to the cartoon after the movie? <

Casey Jones made a few appearences in the cartoon series, even before the movie. But never removed his hockey mask, or had his character developed much- he mostly just expressed a desire to bash things.

I hope, and am confident, that he'll be more three-dimmensional in this new series. It looks good to me so far; an apt balance between the gritty original comic and the suitable-for-kids cartoon. I got at least one good laugh from it; when Michelangelo took Splinter's "Walk this way" instruction literally, and Donatello gave him a knock on the head (it *is* rather an old joke.)

I'm happy. :)

livingfruitvirus

02-08-2003, 11:35 AM

Missed it. Our affiliate airs it at 7 AM and I'm not willing to wake up that early.

RedBoot

02-08-2003, 11:56 AM

I thought it was good. The fight scene with the Foot Ninjas was rather well done, considering they made sure Raphael and Leonardo never directly attacked anyone with their pointy weapons. But since the Foot are human now, that's to be expected.

I think the writing plot-wise was good, but most of the humor fell a little flat. I also like how Michelangelo comes off as more of a dork than the "cool guy," I think it fits him better. Raphael interrupting his attempted Cowabunga was definetly the funiiest part of the episode.

Definetly looking forward to next week...I'm making sure to tape all the episodes as well. Since Fox Box doesn't have a weekday block, it might be a while until these are rerun.

StrangerAtaru

02-08-2003, 12:06 PM

I knew I would like this episode, and my intuition was on! This show really made my morning, just seeing the Turtles and Splinter in action, kicking gang butt, mashing up some Mousers and beginning their battles with the Foot. While there were some parts that did get to me (some of Michelangelo's lines, the "let's show ourselves off" scene before kicking Purple Dragon butt, the fact that Raphael for some reason reminds me of Wolverine here), it was still a fun beginning to what I hope to be a great series. And the ending with Oroku Saki....classic. Definately can't wait for April...or Baxter next week.

BTW: Was it just me, or was there a shadow that looked like Rocksteady as Splinter entered that area where he fought all those Mousers alone?

Tea

02-08-2003, 12:17 PM

I liked it. I never watched Ninja Turtles as much as my brother did, but I do remember playing that NES game a lot. (Stupid mousers....) The animation was nice, Michael had a lot more misses than hits but it was refreshing to hear that old surfer talk again, and I'll probably watch it next Saturday. :) Viva la 80's.

Anarky

02-08-2003, 12:47 PM

"Things Change" yet the more they stay the same.
It was a good way to kick off the new series.
Re-connecting the old guard w/ new school viewers who missed out on the last Turtle Invasion.

I like the Purple Dragon motif. They must be Shredder's urban street gang ops, while The Foot are more closer to his truer nature. He probably uses the Foot for more secretivce, espionage-type assignments.

And it was good to see The Foot give the Turtles a good fight, unlike the sacrificial robots from back in the day.

So far, everything looks great. The dialogue will improve so i'm not beefin over that.

Looking forward to their first fight w/ the Shredder. No dought Saki will hand them their _____, giving them a lesson in humility.

BeastBoyWonder

02-08-2003, 12:54 PM

Oh yeah, gotta admit that the ending with the Shredder was undeniably creepy and really cool... I loved the way that they let us leave the Purple Dragon dude's fate to our imaginations... I don't think that was anything that we would have seen on the old show, but it is a welcome addition.

Scythemantis

02-08-2003, 01:04 PM

My only gripe is the lame opening sequence and splinter looks nothing like a rat. More like a cross between a dog and an opossum. I also prefer the goofy 80's baxter.

I actually think April looks a lot like the old cartoon version (which I uh...had a thing for when I was little :p) rather than the comics april, which I'm indifferent to.

LOVED the mousers.

The Detective

02-08-2003, 01:08 PM

Crud I missed it. I woke up this morning and turned on Static without thinking. Meh, no big deal. I was onlky gonna watch the first one any way just to give it a chance.

Majin_Megabyte

02-08-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Nin-Nin69

I can't wait for next week's episode. April looks even hotter than she did on the last show. ;)

I can agree with you that April is alot hotter in this series then the origanl series,and I can't wait for her appearnce in next week episode.

Today episode in my opion was pretty great,and the fighting kinda remind of the early Dragon Ball adventures. Michelango is still my fave turtle after the premire of the new series.

I'm kinda surpise we see Oroku Saki a.k.a Shredder at the ending of today episode. So I give the premiare episode an A+.

Goemon

02-08-2003, 01:35 PM

I didn't really watch to much of it today but I thought it looked pretty good.

LD1984

02-08-2003, 01:58 PM

Not only was I entertained, but I learned something today!

If you mess around with wires until they spark, all your dreams can come true!

czyznyck99

02-08-2003, 02:08 PM

Things did change, and not for the better. I gave the voices a chance when I got them a month ago, but they tried to hard to sound like the original series, and it just sounded lame.

As far as the episode goes, it was good for what it was, a 20 minute introduction of the Turtles. Felt more like a sneak preview than an actual episode, until the end, of course. It was basically telling the fans, "this isn't the old series." Not a bad message, but certainly not worth sacrificing the first episode of a remake. Giving it 2.5 stars.

Later.

BeastBoyWonder

02-08-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by czyznyck99
Things did change, and not for the better. I gave the voices a chance when I got them a month ago, but they tried to hard to sound like the original series, and it just sounded lame.

As far as the episode goes, it was good for what it was, a 20 minute introduction of the Turtles. Felt more like a sneak preview than an actual episode, until the end, of course. It was basically telling the fans, "this isn't the old series." Not a bad message, but certainly not worth sacrificing the first episode of a remake. Giving it 2.5 stars.

Later.

Its still kind of a smart marketing ploy on the part of the creators... the old fans will keep coming back anyway (at least for a while), but they don't want to barrage new viewers with an overload of information on the turtles. We older fans take a lot of the Turtles mythos for granted, but there is a slew of information that needs to be processed for younger audiences.

James Harvey

02-08-2003, 02:19 PM

I watched it and it wasn't all that great. The opening sequence is pretty bad. No...really bad. It was painful to watch. The animation for the opening sequence was very nice, but the theme itself - the music - was plain horrible. I was hoping for more of an orchestral approach to the opening.

The show itself was alright - mediocre at best. The animation was really nice, I gotta admit. Really sleek and amazingly done. The plot was paint-by-numbers, nothing really special. The voice acting was okay. I can't believe it but I'm still used to the old voices, which I haven't heard in years. When they started talking, my memory popped right back to the old voices. But I'll get used to the new ones, for sure.

Not a show I'll watch regularly, if at all. The show didn't make me want to watch it next week. Maybe I'll watch when Shredder gets on the scene.

Rating: 2.5

Lord Ashram

02-08-2003, 02:19 PM

The first episode of this new TMNT series was actually pretty good, I say. The voice acting wasn't the greatest, but I don't expect great voice acting from most American animations anyway. The plot was a little thin, but it's the first episode, and first episodes are almost always only used to get you into the show anyway. I like the artwork and animation, and April certainly looks like a hottie. :D I'd give it a 3 1/2 or 4 out of 5 stars.

Andrew T. Hingson

02-08-2003, 02:33 PM

I'm satisfied. It had a good combonation of comedy and action and did do an okay job of using the original comics as a basis. I like the introduction transistion it was clever (if not a bit corny). It's right out of the comics actually "He's wrong... we're not wearing costumes" You've gotta love Ralph and Mike's confrontations. Good stuff!

I look forward to next week's episode (and I taped this one). I hope that they bring out some episodes on DVD through their deal with Funimation. If Kirby gets a DVD than TMNT better get one. It'd be a crime if it didn't.

Hatter

02-08-2003, 02:48 PM

I've been looking forward to this for ages... it was great!
A definite improvement over the old series. I love the character designs!

My only gripe, really, is with a couple of the voices... Splinter's, mainly. He doesn't sound old. He sounds like a young guy trying to impersonate an old man. It doesn't work. Surely they could have found an old Japanese man?

And Raph's voice, I found, had a bit too much attitude... hopefully they'll tone that down eventually.

It sucks having to wait a week between episodes, though.

Space Cadet

02-08-2003, 03:17 PM

For some reason, I picture Scott McNeil playing Michaelangelo.

pidget bill

02-08-2003, 03:40 PM

Great starting episode! I think I'm really going to like this new series.

I liked the Opening(yay Casey Jones) and the music theme was ok(though the original theme will always be the greatest). the animation and fight sceans were great. Voices, well I personally had no problem with most of them. and having Oroko Saki at the end was the Icing on the cake.

And IMO April's New look > Old look :p

JTurner954

02-08-2003, 03:54 PM

When I heard the song by itself, I didn't like it. But when the video played, it improved the song. Maybe the song will grow on people after hearing it for a while.

I don't understand why people are complaining about the voices. Do they HAVE to sound a certain way (or exactly the same)?? Are people afraid of change? :confused:

It just seems shallow to judge someone by their voice.

The Drizzle

02-08-2003, 04:03 PM

Overall, I liked it. (Didn't I use that line for .hack//Sign ep. 1 last week?)

The voices seemed fine to me, maybe I'm just crazy.

The only thing I really didn't care for was the opening theme. Nothing can live up to the original theme. :D

ClockStomper

02-08-2003, 04:03 PM

I watched it and...well...it wasn't all that great. The opening sequence is pretty bad. No...really bad. It was painful to watch. The animation for the oopening sequence was very nice, but the theme itself - the music - was plain horrible. I was hoping for more of an orchestral approach to the opening.

I'd rather have a voice over opening with Splinter detailing the murder of his master Hamato Yoshi and the origin with the mutagen rather then that awful theme song.

Andrew T. Hingson

02-08-2003, 04:06 PM

Raph got repetitive in what he was saying after a while. Quite a bit of delay in some of his lines too, but his voice is starting to work for me. Mike's is okay now. Leo's sounds a bit too young, and rather plain, but it's okay. Did anyone else think that when Don spun his bow around (before Mike swings his nun-chucks durring the anime-esque pose scenes) he sounded a bit like Mikey from the 2nd TMNT movie. While Mike didn't... Splinter was okay. He reminded me of an older version of Jackie Chan's voice on the Jackie Chan Adventures (but not uncle's).

Scott McNeal as Mike? I don't know about that. Maybe using a voice like Duo's only more surfer-esque, but nothing like Piccolo's, Wolverines, or any many of the other voices he's done.

I miss Towsnsend Coleman, but this new guy's okay.

I just really wish they could have gotten Cam Clark for Leo. He will live on as the best Leo VA.

Space Cadet

02-08-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Hyper Luigi

Scott McNeal as Mike? I don't know about that. Maybe using a voice like Duo's only more surfer-esque, but nothing like Piccolo's, Wolverines, or any many of the other voices he's done.

I also see Ted Cole playing Raphael.

JTurner954

02-08-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Hyper Luigi

I hope that they bring out some episodes on DVD through their deal with Funimation. If Kirby gets a DVD than TMNT better get one. It'd be a crime if it didn't.

Consider it VERY likely:

http://www.dvdtoons.com/wanted/4

If it doesn't work, I'll copy and paste what it says at the web site.

The Drizzle

02-08-2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by JTurner954
Consider it VERY likely:

http://www.dvdtoons.com/wanted/4

If it doesn't work, I'll copy and paste what it says at the web site.

I believe that refers to the original series.

JTurner954

02-08-2003, 04:23 PM

Well, if the sales for the original set does well (and the new show does well on TV), perhaps it will happen.

JohnStewart-GL

02-08-2003, 04:25 PM

I was watching Static but i recorded this. and i watched it earlier. I thought it was pretty good. as good as He-man. I liked the part were they were trying to put the candle out without being seen.

oranthal

02-08-2003, 05:19 PM

as Matt Wilson said, the animation looks very much like he-man as they were done by Dong Woo; the same animation studio that does he-man.

mike voice: he sounds like a surfer/stoner. i actually found it kind of funny, but i don't have a problem with it; it fits his personality.

leo's voice: i think his should be a little deeper.

opening theme song: the next time i hear it, it will still be too soon.

ending credits: split screen suck. i couldn't make out who did the voices. luckily, the news page posted who voiced who (or is it whom?).

foot soldiers: i wished they were robitic instead of human. leo and ralph will have to watch where they poke their weapons. if the foot soldiers were robotic, leo and ralph wouldn't be handcuffed when they use their weapons. in the original mini-series, they hacking and slashing foot soldiers left and right. with the current series, when they draw their weapons to fight the foot soldiers, you know that they really aren't going to use them.

liltimmyw

02-08-2003, 05:42 PM

I loved it! It is the best cartoon I have seen in some time, hopefully this will last for years to come.

jgully

02-08-2003, 05:42 PM

i really liked the episode it made me feel like a kid again, the guys were just like i expected them to be the animation was good and the voices were ok
i liked the turtles voices but splinters was stupid to me it sounded off to me and michaelangelo's jokes were corny but i think it fits his character he's soppposed to be corny, and shredders part at the end was good can't wait til next week

Drachentöter

02-08-2003, 05:48 PM

I watched this while Static was being taped, and I don't regret it. I was VERY impressed by the animation and darker/more realistic feel of this series. I give the premiere episode four stars for now.

I actually missed the opening sequence. Was it that stupid song from the promo? 'Cause then I'd be mad.

I remember almost nothing from the old series as I never watched it relgiously and I was too young. Didn't they ALL use to speak like California surfers a-la Michaelangelo? If that was this case, I'm glad they've gone with voice variety. Leonardo and Donatello are nothing special, but it makes sense that Raphael would take on a heavy Brooklyn accent.

I love the Splinter scenes against the robots. He's a VERY schway character.

And, hey, a bit of foreshadowing is always good in my book. No "wrap-it-all-up" end sequences like the old Power Rangers (no offense PR-fans). Could someone tell me which company made the last Turtles series?

Space Cadet

02-08-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by VortexInfinite
Could someone tell me which company made the last Turtles series?

Mirage Studios. They're doing a co-production with 4Kids Entertainment with this new series.

David Lucas

02-08-2003, 06:18 PM

Well, after years of wanting them back, my wish has been granted?
Has the genie tainted my wish though?

Well, I was already prepared for that disgusting theme song, so naturally, I didn't start watching the show until around 10:34 just to make sure I missed it as it woulda ruined the whole show for me.

The Voices:

Donny - My favorite one so far, I dunno, he just sounds like a technical guy. Even when I heard the clips at ninjaturtles.com I knew I'd like him the best.

Leo - As already mentioned, Cam Clarke is always going to be Leo in my book, there IS no replacing him. Ever. As good as Scott is, noone will ever be able to replace Cal as Wolverine. Even so, his voice seemed a little to high to be the leader.

Raph - I dunno what happened, but halfway through the show his voice got better. I really didn't mind it all, not to mention it sounded NOTHING like Rob Paulson and that's all I wanted. I'm so tired of that same voice.

Mikey - No problems here, sounded a lot like the guy from TMNT 2 : Secret of the Ooze, so of course I loved it. I loved the "Cowabu-not funny Raph!" line, priceless.

The Animation:

Words can not express how much this kicks the original's ass. Everything was astounding, but like already mentioned, it sucks that Leo and Raph have to watch themselves, but then again, they did in the movies too but I still loved the 1st two (the 3rd one I just pretend was a bad dream)

On that note though, I could have SWORN I saw Leo swipe his swords at one of the Foot Soldiers. I coulda SWORN. As also someone already mentioned, it's good to know if ya mess with wires until they spark, dreams come true. The mouser's were pretty damn creepy, mainly that sound they made before they appeared, but they were a lot more sinister looking than the original show's.

Shredder looked pretty damn bad ass as well, I really hope that they let that last line of his mean something, which brings us to.....

The Writing:

This guy sucks. He sucks hard. But it well get better, because I know Laird wouldn't let his show be tainted, he cares too much about this show doing good. I will admit, I had a few good moments though. The cowabunga joke was great, and I loved the "Walk this way" joke getting slammed by Donny.

As for the last line, "I know you won't fail me again.......ever."

It seemed pretty sinister to me, but we all know they wont kill off the leader of the Purple Dragons in the first episode so I'm kinda pissed. I want that guy to die, Shredder shouldn't have said that line if he wasn't going to kill him. Not to mention the out of place laughter afterwards. How many people "kill" someone and THEN have the evil laugh?

If the writing DOES indeed get better, this show could be my dream come true. As for now, it's still amazing only because the Turtles have always been and will always be my favorite heroes ever.

Toonami gives......err.....I give TMNT Series Premiere 8 out of 10.

Heroes in a half shell, turtle power.

Space Cadet

02-08-2003, 06:29 PM

My Ocean Group TMNT cast list:

Leonardo: Cam Clarke

Michaelangelo: Scott McNeil(Using his Duo voice)

Raphael: Ted Cole

Donatello: Brad Swalie

J.C.

02-08-2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
The voice acting was okay. I can't believe it but I'm still used to the old voices, which I haven't heard in years. When they started talking, my memory popped right back to the old voices. But I'll get used to the new ones, for sure.

Same here, but I've heard the voices recently since I still watch my old tapes once in awhile. It's kinda hard to imagine the turtles with different voices, it's almost like if I were to listen to The Simpsons family with different voice actors, but I should be able to get used to it sooner or later.

For the most part, I liked the first episode, but it didn't really get going 'till the Foot jumped into battle. The fight between the Turtles and the Foot was pretty good and the ending with the Purple Dragon leader begging Shredder for mercy was a nice touch. Looks like the foot were actually able to hold their own, which is good although I'm pretty sure they'll be a lot easier for the turtles to handle down the road, which will be the cue for the Elite Guard to enter the stage. The show is looking pretty so-so right now, and the original series had the better first episode, however, I'm almost certain that things will pick up once Shredder and Casey Jones are brought into the story further.

All-Star 1.5

02-08-2003, 06:58 PM

It's okay from what I saw. I plan to watch the reruns at 8:30o see if I missed anything. I will probably watch it for real when Shredder enters the scene. I sort of like the theme song it's sort of catchy in a Barney way. :confused:

Andrew T. Hingson

02-08-2003, 08:07 PM

Yeah the theme doesn't hold a candle to the original, but it's not that bad. With the animation it works pretty well.

JetMaster5

02-08-2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by VortexInfinite
II actually missed the opening sequence. Was it that stupid song from the promo? 'Cause then I'd be mad.

Yes, it was. Hopefully, Mirage Studios would acquire other musicians and vocals than this.

Leonardo and Donatello are nothing special, but it makes sense that Raphael would take on a heavy Brooklyn accent.

I thought Raphael had more of a Texas accent.

God I hate that theme song. The original is the best.

"Cowabung-AH!"

Heh. I like that quote.

What were the Foot soldiers doing over there? Oroko Saki wouldn't send his Foot soldiers to attack the Turtles unless he knew about them (which he probably didn't).

Nice little training sequence. I like it.

Eh, this episode didn't surprise me. It was alright, I suppose. They just need to fix their writing dialogue, that's all.

Rurouni

02-08-2003, 08:26 PM

Just finished watching it from my tape. As a long time TMNT fan, I enjoyed it a lot, like the Archie Comic, it seems to be a hybrid of the original comic, the movies, and the 80's/early 90's toon, maybe just a touch of anime. My opinions, contrasting with the first cartoon:

-I'm not crazy about the theme song, I think I liked the original one more, but I guess I can tolerate it.

-I thought Leo actually sounded vaguely like Cam Clarke if you listen closely, though I know it's not him.

-Nice to see Michelangelo get his nunchaku back, instead of that stupid grappling hook nonsense from the later episodes of the earlier toon.

-Angry Raphael is better than goofy prankster Raphael.

-Donatello, well I liked Barry Gordon's voice, but the new guy's okay too.

-Thought the Splinter/"shell cell" scene was funny. And Raph shoving Mike into the hole just before shouting "cowabunga."

-The final scene with Oroku Saki/Shredder-creepy, sets up nicely for next week.

-Some of the dialogue was clumsy, but no worse than anything else on Sat. morning TV right now.

Overall, it's probably the only decent show on the otherwise worthless Fox Box. A solid "B."

Rainbow Fright

02-08-2003, 08:36 PM

I didn't get to watch the whole thing..I just kinda wandered off....

I don't know, the new TMNT didn't do it for me. I remember when I and my cousin used to watch it together eatin cereal on his uber cool TMNT bed..Those were the days. But alas, I didn't relive that today. Where's the pizza?! Where's the cowabunga!? Oh well, hopefully things will start to improve for me...

Cactusjack1999

02-08-2003, 08:48 PM

I'm guessing no one here has read Issue Number 1 of the original TMNT comic.

If you want to, head over to www.ninjaturtles.com and you can read it there.

Alot of this episode is based off of that comic save for a few elements of death and revenge.

- I have to say I disliked the theme song. If I had never seen the old 80's cartoon I might've liked it, but I did.

- Raph's voice does have a small problem. He sounds tooo brash, not the general smartass he was in the original cartoon.

- I did like the fact they kept a good running set of one-lines and a bit of comedy here and there through out.

- I'm not to crazy about the Samurai Jack style cut scene they used. It served little to no purpose. Reminds me of the old question "Why don't the villians attack the power rangers/sailor moon/etc/etc when they are transforming?"

- All around I liked the story and the direction of the series so far. They've made them more like ninja's than teens that can fight. They kept Don the brainy one, Mike the joker, Leo the psudo leader. But they made Raph the hard ass of the group, which he was in the movies, but in the original cartoon he was the smartass as I said.

All around Grade - B+

J.C.

02-08-2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Cactusjack1999
Alot of this episode is based off of that comic save for a few elements of death and revenge.

Heck, a lot of this season seems like it's going to be based on select issues of the first 21 issues and some of the one-shots. If this show lasts long enough, I'd love to see a season that was largely devoted to the City At War saga. And I also miss Raphael as the smartass of the group like he was in the original cartoon, but the movie version is closer to the comics and that's what they're going for with this show. Things should pick up with his character once Casey Jones shows up.

sKorpia

02-08-2003, 09:23 PM

Hey, what time did it air on the West Coast and on what channel? I told my roommate about it cuz I thought it was on Fox at 10:30am and she loves the Turtles but she said it was something different on. Is this just me or did they mean 10:30 eastern which translates to 7:30 pacific? Thanks!

Digu Volz

02-08-2003, 09:24 PM

Um... eh.... It was alright, and I'll be back... since this is the Turtles... Would anybody actually know who does the Turtles' voices ?

Ordinary Guy

02-08-2003, 10:06 PM

I liked it.

The new intro song was pretty gay, but it will have to do.

The new looks were incredible. I like the new beef-up looks, I kind of miss them having pupils. My only problem was it seemed like Mikey was a little bigger than some of others when he's supposed to be the youngest.

The voices are pretty good, I had somewhat of a problem with Splinter's voice. I don't remember what his voice was like on the old show, but I was hoping his voice would be like the movie version.

I like The Foot being a criminal group of skilled ninjas rather than some goofy robots. The Purple Dragons seemed pretty gay, they sound like a gang whose ring leader is Sisqo. I can't wait to see Hun, and more of The Shredder.

The action scenes were pretty good. I can't wait to see an all out fight with The Shredder.

All in all I have high hopes for this show unlike Transformers: Armada.

Cowabunga!!!

EightOh

02-08-2003, 10:40 PM

I was eagerly anticipating this, and I wasn't disappointed. Most of the time, I was just basking in the glow of seeing the Turtles again. I loved the original series, though a lot of my memories are now fuzzy since I was so young at the time, but this is like both a trip back in time and a new beginning for TMNT.

For the most part, the changes from the original cartoon are fine, and it's neat to see the comic influence in the show, despite my complete lack of familiarity with that incarnation of the Turtles(I'm not sure if I was even a year old when the first comic came out... 1986, right?), other than reading the first issue of it on the TMNT website a couple of months ago. The "We weren't wearing costumes" line was straight out of the comic.

The character designs are just different enough to make it feel fresh, and familiar enough to reassure me that these are the same turtles, only a little different. I also like the new looks of the yet-to-be-introducted April, Baxter, and Casey.

By the way, wasn't there originally a design of a Purple Dragon with an afro? Or am I just imagining it?

The new voices are good, though it'll take some time to adjust, of course. Donatello's always been my favorite character, so I'm glad to see him(and the others) have voices that aren't cringeworthy. Splinter's sort of seems weird, but I'll get used to it.

Some of the dialogue was probably a little clunky at times, but I was too busy thinking, "man, I'm watching the Ninja Turtles again... this freaking rules," to notice. :) I also cracked up at a few of the jokes, most notably the "walk this way" one and the aforementioned interruption of Mikey's Cowabunga. I did, however, dislike "what the shell," but there wasn't anything that was too terrible.

Animation-wise, it's a very good-looking show, and I had no problem with the letterbox "poses," simply because they looked cool. I can't wait to see more of the fight scenes.

All in all, this show is looking good, and though it's only one episode, I'm getting the feeling that this will be a very worthy addition to the TMNT universe. I still can't believe I'm sitting here, in 2003, discussing a new Ninja Turtles series. Awesome.

:D :D :D :D :D out of :D :D :D :D :D

Knightmare

02-08-2003, 11:28 PM

The title said it all "The More Things Change", alot has happened since the old show premired back in 1987 back then I was 7 and my kid brother was 3, now 15 years later I'm 22 and in college and he's 18, we don't agree on much but today for thirty minutes we sat in the den as watched in peace and quiet the premire of the new TMNT show. I liked the voices, the animation and I loved how the show updated the material but still kept the feel of the original cartoon, kinda like how the new He-Man show does the same thing. His only response was "It's cool". We both laughed when Ralph interuped Mikey when he started to say "Cowabunga" and Donnie popped Mikey in the head with his bo. When the show was done we thought about watching my copy "Heroes on a Half-Shell" the ole F.H.E. release of the first two episodes of the old series so that we could compare the two, but even though I really wanted to watch it, I decided not to watch it for fear that my poor old tape wouldn't make it through one more showing on the VCR. I really wish that Rhino would get the rights to the old show and give it the same treatment that they've given to the Original Transformers cartoon on VHS/DVD. I'd also like to see this new cartoon have a long and successful run and make it to VHS/DVD.

Sharklady

02-08-2003, 11:38 PM

> I also prefer the goofy 80's baxter. <

I can't blame 'em for making that change; Baxter *was* a seriously evil African-American scientist in the original comic book.

Captin "Hank" Murphy

02-09-2003, 12:25 AM

Yes, I too found Baxter's new form wierd because he looks so much like Urkle from "Family Matters".

http://bignuke.homestead.com/files/pics/stockman2003.jpg http://bignuke.homestead.com/files/pics/Urkle_copy.jpg See?

As for the show, the first ep was just plain awsome, Most of the voices worked, the animation was well-done, the action was top-notch, and and it's pretty safe to say everybody got at least a giggle when Raph iterupted Mike's Cowabunga(as a way to be nasogicaly funny).

ZorBrak

02-09-2003, 12:58 AM

THAT FREAKING ROCKED! W00T!!!! TURTLE POWER DAMMIT!

Andrew T. Hingson

02-09-2003, 01:38 AM

I too shall miss Raph the wise guy, but now he's gone (except for in my VHS tapes Woot!... and a DVD in the future).

I have the first 3 comics and so far things are pretty similar. Less violent obviously (mind you the first TMNT wasn't for kids AT ALL), but they kept in some dialogue and several story elements. Basically the took the orginal comic and added in some things to make it a cartoon in 2003. Not a bad job though.

It's much closer to the comics and the movies than the original series was. They probably took their inspiration from the original comics and then looked at the movies to make the turtles individual and to get an idea of what they should sound like. It's obvious that they tried to make the turtles sound like their movie counter-parts, and for the most part they did okay.

Zero Signal

02-09-2003, 01:57 AM

Loved it. I went into this show not having heard any of the voices or theme song, just wanted it to kinda hit me. Didn't care much for the song, but I won't complain since it's only 30 seconds of a 22 minute show. This show definately took that He-Man route and gave alot of nods to the old show, qhich is fine by me. I was afraid it was going to turn out bad but I'm really impressed. At least an A- from me.

And it was just a TMNT day, because Encore was showing the second movie just a few hours later :)

Cactusjack1999

02-09-2003, 02:46 AM

If they start to do episodes based off of the image comics I'll no sooner shoot myself than watch.

kiddiesunshine

02-09-2003, 02:55 AM

I thought it was very cool. It was enjoyable watching it and thinking about the old show simultaneously. The art and animation was top notch and Raphael is still a bad ass.
My favorite non-action segment was the part where Splinter goes, "Walk this way" and Michelangelo mimics him and Donatello hits Michelangelo on the head with his bow staff.
Oh! and I can't talk about the show without mentioning the twirling weapons. Lots of that there. But yeah, the dialogue needs much work. Hopefully, future eps will show less of this problem. I give it 2 katana blades up!

J.C.

02-09-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Cactusjack1999
If they start to do episodes based off of the image comics I'll no sooner shoot myself than watch.

Totally agree. But I doubt they'd bother with the Image Ninja Turtles series since it was pretty crappy, although the idea of Raphael taking leadership of the U.S. Foot Clan was an interesting twist.

Condiment King

02-09-2003, 10:51 AM

Well....it sure was different. That's for sure. :p

Actually, this was a good opener to hopefully, a very good series. Sure, Raphael began to get stereotypish in the middle of the first episode, which I hope changes, but meh. It'll grow on me. As will the voices, designs, and theme. May take awhile though.

I too will miss the cool but crude Raphael from the original. :p

NinjaJack

02-09-2003, 11:05 AM

All this talk of a premeire, but is there a site up now that has screens and more recaps?

BeastBoyWonder

02-09-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by NinjaJack
All this talk of a premeire, but is there a site up now that has screens and more recaps?

FOX BOX has their own Turtles website at http://www.foxbox.tv/tmnt/ which they launched with all kinds of new content on the day that the show premiered. I beat all the games and grabbed all of the screensaver files and desktop images, but they're in some strange file format that I'm unable to open... I finally figured out that the desktop files are photoshop files, but I still haven't been able to launch or utilize the screensaver files from the games.

I can put up everything I have collected (the raw files, some other varied TMNT stuff from the new show) for download if anyone is interested.

I'm also thinking of creating my own TMNT website devoted to the new show, and while it would have some original content, pretty much everything is covered in terms of a TMNT website between ninjaturtles.com and the Fox Box website.

j32885

02-09-2003, 02:39 PM

I thought the episode was excellent, it's more true to the original comic book series that came out when I was born back in 1985.
Yesterday, the show brought back memories when I was 7 years old. Hanging out with my best friends and playing with TMNT's action figures or playing NES video game. It's good to take a trip down memory lane again. :cool:

*Starts singing the Original TMNT theme song*

Toon Capone

02-09-2003, 04:15 PM

The Turtles are back.

I still hate the new theme song though.

The Turles voices was good I still have to get use to Raphael's though.

I like the fact the Foot Soldiers can actually fight now.

Great animation and the story was great I can't wait until next week.

And if you missed it Fox is going to re-air the first episode again at 8:30 am and the new episode at 10:30 am next Saturday.

Chris Sanders MSX

02-09-2003, 04:26 PM

For all the people who hate the new theme...Shut up. Or at least take a second to think back to the 1980's/early 90's.

The old theme was worse..no, way worse. Go find an old tape(I have both of mine) or look up the lyrics. It was 3 times as corny, plus 2. When we were kids however, it was the greatest. So just remember this show wasn't really made for our age group entirely and odds are the kids watching it loved it. I liked it. It was catchy, and didn't spit out cliched slang every other line.

I only saw the first 8 minutes of the damn show beacuse my idiot little sister doesn't know how to opperatea VCR. What i saw and heard was good. I'm liking raphael's voice more and more. His voice was more or less just like that in the movies and gives him distinction from the other turtles as being the tough guy.

I'm a little mad about not getting to see the whole thing and knowing I'll have to wait an ass-load amount of time before it gets replayed. EDIT: Just read the post above mine. Does happy dance.

Cactusjack1999

02-09-2003, 05:42 PM

JC I'm talking about the Cyborg Don thing, and Raph losing his eye and every thing.

God those story lines sucked.

Hatter

02-09-2003, 06:04 PM

Yeah, I always preferred the Archie line...

J.C.

02-09-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Chris Sanders MSX
For all the people who hate the new theme...Shut up. Or at least take a second to think back to the 1980's/early 90's.

The old theme was worse..no, way worse. Go find an old tape(I have both of mine) or look up the lyrics. It was 3 times as corny, plus 2.

I've listened to them both recently and still prefer the original theme music and opening to the new one. Will admit the new theme is actually starting to grow on me a little, but better then the original? Not in my opinion, but to each their own.

Originally posted by Cactusjack1999
JC I'm talking about the Cyborg Don thing, and Raph losing his eye and every thing.

God those story lines sucked.

Don't forget the Splinter turning into a mutant bat creature storyline. Ugh.

oranthal

02-09-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by sKorpia
Hey, what time did it air on the West Coast and on what channel? I told my roommate about it cuz I thought it was on Fox at 10:30am and she loves the Turtles but she said it was something different on. Is this just me or did they mean 10:30 eastern which translates to 7:30 pacific? Thanks!

west coast show time: 10:30am pacific standard time.

Samhaine

02-09-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Cactusjack1999
JC I'm talking about the Cyborg Don thing, and Raph losing his eye and every thing.

God those story lines sucked.
Don't forget about Mikey losing a hand, so that even in black & white one could tell all four turtles apart :rolleyes:

The first issue (the only one I've read) wasn't bad, though. And the new series (a continuation of the first two, nothing to do with the thrid) is pretty good too.

Digu Volz

02-09-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Samhaine
Don't forget about Mikey losing a hand,

That was Leonardo. Mike got a girlfriend out of the whole thing. At least one of them escpaed mutilation (then again...).

And I though Raph as Shredder was pretty cool.

Chris Sanders MSX

02-09-2003, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by J.C.
I've listened to them both recently and still prefer the original theme music and opening to the new one. Will admit the new theme is actually starting to grow on me a little, but better then the original? Not in my opinion, but to each their own.

Well I don't think the new one is better. But on the cheese factor it's no where near as bad as the old one.

Andrew T. Hingson

02-09-2003, 11:43 PM

The new one is okay, but the original is still my all time favorite cartoon theme.

EscaflownePilot

02-10-2003, 10:03 AM

I feel like a minority here, but I absolutely loved the show. It's easily poised to replace Batman Beyond as one of my favorite US TV series. After I got over the change of the voices (which didn't really bother me much to begin with) and the different theme song (which I hated at first, but now am growing to love it) I found a very great show with fun action sequences, decent character developement, and, despite what everyone else thought, very funny and witty writing. The constant "Bad choice, Rapheal" joke was funny as were the constant "background" fights between Michelangelo and Raphael. Of course, the interrupted "cowabunga" line was funny, too. The plot flowed very well, and didn't wrap up as just one episodic story, something I was worried would happen. I'm definitely excited about next week's episode (although April's character design scares me).

Terminatah

02-10-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Digu Volz
Um... eh.... It was alright, and I'll be back... since this is the Turtles... Would anybody actually know who does the Turtles' voices ? Get all your info at Mirage Studios' Official TMNT Web Site (http://www.ninjaturtles.com/). An excellent site.

Well, what can I say? If I had one word to describe the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it would be, "genius." I hope they live forever.

Don't forget people, if you miss an episode on Saturday at 10:30 AM, it gets rerun the following week at 8:30 AM. Check local listings and all that.

-Terminatah

Behonkiss

02-10-2003, 06:14 PM

So it's only 1 new episode a week instead of 2? Damn. I was hoping it would get the Kirby treatment.

I don't know why I took so long to respond, but here's my opinion: I'm satisfied. Pretty much nothing that I feared would happen did happen, the character designs are brilliant, I can get used to the voices(Except Raphael...Even though he has a NY accent, he simply sounds too old.), and the fights are choreographed very well.

The only complaints? The Purple Dragon fight scene was handled very poorly(A long pose scene, a kick toward the camera, and they're down on the ground. Right.), and me and my brother both groaned when Donatello said, "Last one there's hatched from a rotten egg!"

Best part? "Some green guys just threw bags of money on us!" "Rookie."

The turtles are back. And I mean without a bad live-action series.

A-!

Ordinary Guy

02-10-2003, 06:48 PM

I just watch it again after watching the 3rd movie.

I started to remember from the old show that Leonardo and Mikey were pretty close as was Donatello and Rapheal, and there were also certian episodes that Donatello was split from the group and Mikey, Leo, and Raph would team up for the majority of the episode.

Then in the movies Mikey and Donatello were pretty close, and Leo, Donatello, and Mikey would team up to save Raphor something like that.

It's pretty evident that Raph and Mikey are pretty close.

But I wonder if we'll see certain things like that in this new series.

Samhaine

02-10-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Digu Volz
That was Leonardo. Mike got a girlfriend out of the whole thing. At least one of them escpaed mutilation (then again...).
Yeah...typed too quickly. I still think it was pretty bad the way they went about telling the guys apart, tho.

RockItShipper

02-10-2003, 11:21 PM

Theme animation was cool, but I didn't particularly like the music. Didn't ever love the original theme either, but I sure loved the show. This version is impressive so far, in establishing character personalities and the show's overall mood. Saki's response to the Purple Dragon leader's failure is a far cry from his previous animated counterpart's dealings with Bebop and Rocksteady.

And now it's speculation time! :) Did Saki beat up the PD's leader? Pour hot tea on him? Slice off his head? Order the punk to commit sepukku and finish off the job as second?

Christopher N. Denner

02-14-2003, 07:13 AM

I thought it, along with the themesong, were great. Everyone's coming down on the theme... but it's got the perfect 80s feel that EVERY SINGLE CARTOON these days is missing. Think of trying to pass of GIJoe's original theme in today's market. EVERYONE would be against it. But yet... everyone loves it because they gew up with it, and I'm sure in time all the little kiddies will be singin' the new TMNT theme. And remember... this is part 1 of a 3 part story, for those that though that substance was lacking.

The only thing I didn't like were the instant "letterboxed" shots during the fighting scenes. Just didn't do anything for me. Especially when 1 shot is LBX, the next is full frame, the next LBX, the next full frame... etc. It's very distracting.

BTW.. the Casey eps from the original show are "Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero" and "Corporate Raiders from Dimension X".

Joe Wagner

02-14-2003, 02:53 PM

A tad late in responding but.....I loved this show! While the theme music could have been a lot better I thought that the animation was excellent. I also really enjoyed the closer feel to their original comic counterparts. While I grew up on the first toon I think that this one has the potential to be a much stronger toon all together. Looking forward to next weeks episode.

-Joe!

Christopher N. Denner

02-14-2003, 04:17 PM

You mean TOMORROW'S episode. :)

Joe Wagner

02-14-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Christopher N. Denner
You mean TOMORROW'S episode. :)

LOL, I knew I was replying a little too late......can't even remember what day it is anymore. :p

-Joe!

Andrew T. Hingson

02-14-2003, 05:38 PM

Well I'm fine with the new theme for the most part, but the "if all else fails then it's time to kick butt" line was just too much. The "watch out for shredder" was rather bothersome as well. However I still like the original more, but lately I've been finding myself singing the new theme at times. Eh... whatever. I can't wait till tommorow!!!

I think I'll go watch the first episode again.

Chris Sanders MSX

02-15-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by EscaflownePilot
I feel like a minority here, but I absolutely loved the show. It's easily poised to replace Batman Beyond as one of my favorite US TV series. After I got over the change of the voices (which didn't really bother me much to begin with) and the different theme song (which I hated at first, but now am growing to love it) I found a very great show with fun action sequences, decent character developement, and, despite what everyone else thought, very funny and witty writing. The constant "Bad choice, Rapheal" joke was funny as were the constant "background" fights between Michelangelo and Raphael. Of course, the interrupted "cowabunga" line was funny, too. The plot flowed very well, and didn't wrap up as just one episodic story, something I was worried would happen. I'm definitely excited about next week's episode (although April's character design scares me).

I've just seen the whole episode this morning and I say this was the best non anime animated program I have ever seen. I don't know who said that the jokes and gags weren't funny but I completely dissagree(Raph pushing Mike and the "Gimme a hand"....."Don't even think about it Mikey" thing had me laughing). And some of the fighting scenes were just awesome, the story moved along well and I still want to warch it, so to me the show has done it's job.

I'm wondering if we all saw the same show, because you guys complained about things that I plainly saw..like saying that you would miss Raph being a wise guy. On the show I saw, Raph was still pretty much a wise ass.

And I love the theme. It's catchy and I already know all the lyrics by heart.

JTurner954

02-15-2003, 11:11 AM

Yeah, the theme is growing on me as well. Too many people nitpick so that's why they tend to hate remakes. So far, the show is great.

hobbyfan

02-16-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by R Chocolate
The premiere episode was pretty nice. Love the final scene
with Oruku Saki (Shredder) the animation was great there.
With the use of letterbox, they're clearly trying to emulate Samurai Jack, some of this worked, some didn't. The Turtles
had good voices and I loved the jab at the old TMNT series with Michaelangelo about to say Cowabunga (his trademark) but Raphael stops him. So far, this was a good episode but I wish
it had been a full-hour show. I'm definitely eager for next week's episode and Casey Jones is slated to make his premiere in
episode 4. As for the new theme song, it's okay.

Having read up on the new show, I'm looking forward to watching the show every week. I won't give away anything, but I think people are going to like the rest of the changes. :D

Anarky

03-31-2007, 01:10 AM

BUMP 4 YRS LATER!!!

according to yahoo.tv listings, 4Kids is going to broadcast TMNT 1.01 31Mar2007 at 9am EST (check local listings)

I'm curious if this is a one-day event or if 4Kids is going to continue airing the 2K3 series from start-to-finish. The Present/Future commercial suggests we'll be seeing both programs for a while...at least until the new Fall line-up...or just long enough 'til after the release of S1 V1 22May.

BTW, for a First episode, this was quite good. We got all the classic TMNT-isms in this one: a training session by Splinter, Leo-Raph arguing, Don's tech, goofball Mikey, the Purple Dragons, the Foot, mousers, and an ominous ending w/ Oroku Saki.

for all those who slept on TMNT 4 yrs ago, here's a chance to catch it from the beginning. Tune in before 4kids changes their minds.

Simpler Simon

03-31-2007, 01:15 AM

Yeah, this was a very strong start to the series. Looking back, note how dark and shadowy the Turtles always are, and how things play just a little grittier. Raph is more grumpy and irritable than being just constantly angry, and Mikey is amusing without hogging the spotlight to the point of annoyance.

veemonjosh

03-31-2007, 01:43 AM

I find it funny how much the people from four years ago bashed the show.

J'onn J'onzz

03-31-2007, 09:25 AM

I find it funny how much the people from four years ago bashed the show.
Did you really expect a positive review from Matt Wilson?

creativerealms

03-31-2007, 12:30 PM

Did you really expect a positive review from Matt Wilson?

Thats not Bruce timm or Paul Dani related? No I don't.

Dark Fact

03-31-2007, 12:57 PM

Yeah, it was an excellent first episode. Actually, I believe this show may had saved the then FoxBox because the rest of their anime lineup didn't seem all that great save for Kirby (which was a household name in gaming at that point).

Although I have to admit I did like Ultimate Muscle. :)

CyberCubed

03-31-2007, 02:30 PM

Anarky

03-31-2007, 03:06 PM

What's amazing is how long the show lasted so far.

Who would have thunk at the time that we'd have 6 more seasons, and around 130 episodes at the time? Since the Lost season and Fast Forward continue with the same episode count from where Season 4 ended, we're almost at the 150 episode barrier.

The original cartoon made around 194 episodes. If the current series goes on to Season 8, we may pass it. Still a longshot though, since we don't know what direction the show will take after FF ends at the moment.

well, with the events of today's ep of FF it's looking like we'll be seeing the series return to the present at the end of this season...or at the latest the end of FF S2. And with the solid performance of the film and the likelihood of a sequel, TMNT may be getting its second wind...despite 4Kids blaming their pitiful Q4 on the Gang Green.

Dark Fact

03-31-2007, 03:09 PM

The original cartoon made around 194 episodes. If the current series goes on to Season 8, we may pass it. Still a longshot though, since we don't know what direction the show will take after FF ends at the moment.
I think Laird said that he wanted the cartoon to surpass the length of the original series. So it's possible we may see the show go past the big two oh oh.

And let's not forget how much comic material there is. Laird could keep the show going on for quite a long time if he wanted to with all the material he's got. ;)

Anarky

03-31-2007, 04:10 PM

I think Laird said that he wanted the cartoon to surpass the length of the original series. So it's possible we may see the show go past the big two oh oh.

And let's not forget how much comic material there is. Laird could keep the show going on for quite a long time if he wanted to with all the material he's got. ;)

not to mention the loose ends from the past seasons:

1. they haven't broken the Purple Dragons and Hun remains a free man
2. Karai and the Foot remain threats
3. The Rat King is still lurking about
4. The Necromonster is still influencing humanity
5. there may still be stories to tell of the Y'linteans
6. Bishop and Stockman are always fun to watch
7. and we never saw the aftermath of the Green Menace from Bishop's faux invasion. The President mistook the turtles as his abductors, no doubt giving Bishop unlimited resources to find the Turtles...not to mention zealots such as H.A.T.E. and other bounty hunters want in on that action.

CyberCubed

03-31-2007, 04:33 PM

Still depends a lot on toy sales, they've always kept the show afloat.

The show is basically a joint venture between Mirage, 4kids and Playmates.

One of the reasons they went in the FF direction is because 4kids said ratings weren't high enough from Season 4, and Playmates wanted to reinvent the toyline with new FF figures.

Right now the movie toys are flying off the shelves so Playmates should be happy. 4kids gets some revenue from the merchandise based on the movie, so if a sequal is greenlit 4kids will most likely want to produce more seasons until it comes out.

Hopefully the new movie continues to do well in the box office, since a large part of TMNT's future rests on how well the film does.

Shredder565

03-31-2007, 09:12 PM

well, with the events of today's ep of FF it's looking like we'll be seeing the series return to the present at the end of this season...or at the latest the end of FF S2. And with the solid performance of the film and the likelihood of a sequel, TMNT may be getting its second wind...despite 4Kids blaming their pitiful Q4 on the Gang Green.

I don't get that. Either the WB president is a lier and the toys aren't selling well for the series.....or Bratz and the Winx Club are Alfred Kahn brainchild's and he doesn't want to blame it on those two series...:evil:

I think Laird said that he wanted the cartoon to surpass the length of the original series. So it's possible we may see the show go past the big two oh oh.

And let's not forget how much comic material there is. Laird could keep the show going on for quite a long time if he wanted to with all the material he's got. ;)

Yep, I remember him saying that as well. More syndication money, too :).

So, it was 4Kids saying that TMNT wasn't getting enough ratings? I thought the international partners put pressure on them to lighten it up? Either way, ratings as they are currently taken are way over rated..

The Overlord

03-31-2007, 10:28 PM

I don't get that. Either the WB president is a lier and the toys aren't selling well for the series.....or Bratz and the Winx Club are Alfred Kahn brainchild's and he doesn't want to blame it on those two series...:evil:

Yep, I remember him saying that as well. More syndication money, too :).

So, it was 4Kids saying that TMNT wasn't getting enough ratings? I thought the international partners put pressure on them to lighten it up? Either way, ratings as they are currently taken are way over rated..

I think I have heard Khan change his tune recently on the TMNT, considering that the movie seems to sucess, Khan seems to be happy with the TMNT again (considering 4kids will get money off the sales of TMNT related products)

I think there is a chance that the TMNT show will return to its orginal direction, afterall it is basic marketing, when you have a toon related to a movie that has come out, you try and have the toon tie into the movie as much as possible. Remember when Batman Forever came out, Fox ran a bunch of BTAS comericals featuring Two-Face and Riddler.