Oh my Goodness! The World Trade Center and the Pentagon where both attacked.

[I.R Joey]

All off them where hit, and goodness knows how many people lost their lives. This is sick, look at the footage on the news. :confused:

[Trent Lane]

I saw the second crash as it happened. I was sick to my stomach. I cannot believe this. This is the final straw. We, as a nation and a world cannot put up with this any longer. As soon as the people behind this are found, they need to be taken out right on the spot. These terrorists are cowards at the most and need to be made an example of. I'm just so emotional I don't know what to say. I guess when it happens close to home it really hits hard. In any case, today (9-11-01) will go down forever in history....

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

OH MY GOD...

I hope these terrorists go to the land of fire and brimstone, because they deserve it. How bad was the damage? I guess bad...

...And Bush better do something about this. I'm sick of this country getting picked on despite all that we've done to help others. It's time to do something l right...

[Singin' Stray Cat]

My God, you guys, I'm so scared. The whole mess is on TV here at the university, everyone's watching it. We watched the Trade Towers collapse, and heard people trying to jump out of the building... I can't describe how it felt. Absolutely sick and horrified at the same time is as close as I can come....

I hope whoever's responsible for this is caught and shown no mercy.

[Clayface]

I've been watchign it all morning. I feel sick. I keep alternating between fear, sadness, and furious anger.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

Oh ****....were the buildings toppled? If so, now I am truly angry....Singin' Stray is right. SHOW NO MERCY!! GET THOSE TERRORISTS, GOVERNMENT!

[SilverKnight]

Oh my God. You're not the only one, man. You also heard the State Department got car-bombed? This is insane. This is utterly crazy. >shakes uncontrollably<

[Clayface]

The WTC towers have both gone completely down. The pentagon is up in flames.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

MAJOR LIVES LOST, SAYS RUDY GULLIANI (from CBS reports)!! NOOOOO!!!

DAMN THOSE TERRORISTS! MAY THEY GO TO...

...forgive me. As a big patriot, I kinda get touchy likes this....
...and both towers went down. Oh God...I can't imagine New York without them...

....And forgive my mood right now, PLEASE....I am just very angry....

[Clayface]

Originally posted by SilverKnight
Oh my God. You're not the only one, man. You also heard the State Department got car-bombed?

Actually, from what I've seen, the state building car bombing has now been denied.

[DR. BELCH]

--when whacky FM morning-show DJ's are acting sober and serious.
The problem is the ignorant American perception of Bush as a fool, weakling, and election thief is spreading to other countries, and they think they can bully us because we won't act back. This is what happens when a country doesn't respect its elected leaders...neither do foreign powers. This gives the Saddams and the Castros and the Stalins and the Hitlers a back door to our parlor.
If Bush does nothing about this, or any, matter, he's seen as ineffective...but if he shows his strength he'll be called dangerous, power-hungry and despotic. His dissenters are never happy....

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Many agencies are now on alert; ones that haven't closed for the day. The FBI is the biggest agency up and running right now (naturally, I guess).
Four planes were hijacked too make this situation as well.

Oh geez...I never thought that all the Bush-bashing could possibly come to this. I think if Bush does something, he'll be called desoptic, yes, but it's better than doing nothing at all. Sigh....I say we take a bigger stand on foirgen policy; because I fear how cocky terroists may become from this...

I saw a video of the two collapsing....oh my God....

EDIT: Added in four planes hijacked part.

[dendawg]

I have NEVER been more frightened! :eek:
The real scary part is, I work in a House of Reps. Building in my state...pray for me. :( :(

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Bush said he is going to have a full-scale investigation to find the jerks (my word) who did this. I applaud him for acting so soon.

Many now think that Osama Bin Ladin has planned this. Why? He is one of the few who had the money and supplies to pull it off...and it's said he's been itching to get at the U.S. for a while now.
Also....in 1978, this same day, the Camp David accord was signed. People say that terroists like dates like this for strikes, and it thus confirms more that a Muslim like Bin Ladin may have done this...

I pray for you, Dendawg.

...and forgive me for posting so often. I feel I cannot help it...

[dendawg]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
...and forgive me for posting so often. I feel I cannot help it...

At a time like this, I doubt that anyone is going to blame anyone for posting too often. We gotta pull together in times like these.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by dendawg
I have NEVER been more frightened! :eek:
The real scary part is, I work in a House of Reps. Building in my state...pray for me. :( :(

You guys should ask for the day off.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


You guys should ask for the day off. I'm suppised your still there Toronto is shutting down becouse of this including all banks goverment building. The millitary base has in TO is currently setting up S.A.Ms

[Singin' Stray Cat]

You'll be in my prayers too, dendawg. I hope you do get to go home today!

As for posting often, well...at times like this, we all do kinda crazy things. But to me it's somewhat calming to see people posting here right now - almost like a therapy group or a safe place where friends are to run to. There's strength in numbers, yes?

I was feeling like a long-tailed stray cat in a room full of rocking chairs for a while. Still do, in fact, but I'm not shaking as much now. Everyone else out there doing all right, given the circumstances?

For now I'm gonna watch the news some more - I don't even know if classes are going to go on as usual here, and we're hundreds of miles from New York. Please, please, take care all.

[dendawg]

As a matter of fact, I have repeatedly called the police dept.(they have an office less than a block from there) and so far, they have no plans to shut down. If I hear of another incident though, [SCREW] IT!

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Originally posted by dendawg
As a matter of fact, I have repeatedly called the police dept.(they have an office less than a block from there) and so far, they have no plans to shut down. If I hear of another incident though, ***** IT!

I don't blame you one little bit.

[Clayface]

I'm doing a bit better as well - I was sitting here shaking and at times crying, but I've clamed down a bit. I figured some of you would be on here, and that's why I came here - you're a good bunch to talk with.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by dendawg
As a matter of fact, I have repeatedly called the police dept.(they have an office less than a block from there) and so far, they have no plans to shut down. If I hear of another incident though, ***** IT! Hey if I were you I would go home now. I was as work a hour or so ago since I work at the rogers control center monetering networks but then the armforces came in and took over and told us all to go home.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: With the exception of some Fighter Patrols, about every plane and airport in the nation will/have/are being grounded right now. Only essitnals are going to keep moving.

It's good to talk with you guys about it-even then at the height of the scare we've stayed a lot more....uh...."mature" than other places, I fear. I've calmed down as well, but still silently seething. Ah, at least I've been allowed to let it out here.


SAID BY SINGIN' STRAY CAT:I was feeling like a long-tailed stray cat in a room full of rocking chairs for a while.

In the midst of all that's happened, I gotta thank you for giving me a chuckle...clever metaphor. Thanks.

[dendawg]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
Hey if I were you I would go home now.

I am at home right now. I happen to work the 2nd shift. I am of the opinion the cops will be all over the Gov't buildings tonight.

on another note, I can't help but get the feeling that Tim McVeigh is laughing his ass off right now.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
NEWS: With the exception of some Fighter Patrols, about every plane and airport in the nation will/have/are being grounded right now. Only essitnals are going to keep moving.
Yes but alot of flights has been diverted to Canada thus why Toronto was ordered closed. The airfoces has tooken over tracking and will keep a close eye on all the incomming planes. All outgoing plans are grounded.

[Brian Cruz]

Please everyone, pray for Eileen's (Harley's) stepfather, who was supposed to be at the World Trade Center this morning. There's no way of knowing where he is or if he's okay.

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
...In the midst of all that's happened, I gotta thank you for giving me a chuckle...clever metaphor. Thanks.

You're welcome. :) Glad it could help someone. And thanks for the news update. Yours too, Psycho Fox, it's good to get another perspective on this.

[Edit] Harley's stepfather was supposed to be at the WTC this morning?!? Oh no...absolutely will pray for them!!

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

My apologies, Psycho Fox-never knew that those two bits fit together.

....I hope that Elieen's father is okay. I will pray.

The pentagon has recieved less attention at the moment, but it's taken a pretty good beating from what I've seen of it. Sigh....also, all of the "touristy" part of Washington D.C. has been closed down, the only people there are soldiers. Here's hoping they do not have too do anything else...
...and here's hoping the Twin Towers were not a precursor to something bigger....

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
My apologies, Psycho Fox-never knew that those two bits fit together.
Well I pray they don't hit residential areas. Oh and I forgot to mention the US/Canadain borders is closed and they won't let anyone one accross.


....I hope that Elieen's father is okay. I will pray. Ditto

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

MORE NEWS: It gets worse and worse-the National Guard has been called upon to help out New York. Also, hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. :(

It's been said that this is the worst attack on the U.S. mainland since the Civil War-and it's probably true. Geez...

[Clayface]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
....I hope that Elieen's father is okay. I will pray.


I'm not a praying man, but my thoughts and best wishes still go to her and her family.

[Roman Legion]

I don't know what to say... this whole thing is devestating, to make a rather bold understatement. I'll be praying for Harl's stepdad too. =(

[happyheathen]

Eileen -

Best wishes

dave

[Psycho Fox]

***Update****

False alarm at Vancouver Airport

A plane accendtly went off course while circling the airport. The airport was evacuated as security officals though the plane was going to crash into the terminal. The plane did land and it was not a terriorst but pilot error.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Although a exact time has not been said, Bush will "shortly" make a speech at Bakersfield Air Force Base in Lousiana; so be ready to listen to it soon. Also, not just the Canadian but the Mexican border has been closed, and the hospitals being used is expected to rise from 50 to 100.

Sigh...even through all this, I wonder why these terroists feel like they have to do this...rehortical question, I know, but still...

[Joe Tully]

Poor Eileen.

Like Clayface, I'm not one much for praying, but I hope that everything works out okay for you and your family. My heart really goes out to you. :(

We've known about this Osama bin Laden guy for a while, and from the news I'm reading online, it sounds like we have a decent idea of where he is. It's time to take him down. :mad:

The thing that confuses me is how people are capable of so much hate that they feel that they have to kill so many people that they don't even know. What the hell do they think they are going to accomplish? I guess there's no point in trying to figure them out, they're clearly not rational human beings.

I hope everyone and their families and friends are OK.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Bush made his speech at Bakersfield! He claims the military is on high alert and that the Americans will face down the crisis. He then states thanks to all who have helped the victims, and once again tells that the government is making a full investigation. He also calls the terrorists "a faceless coward." He also offered his consolences to the victims.

Also, a plane was hijacked and crashed near Camp David. Some say the plane was trying to crash onto the site.

Finally, the hospital situation has victims moving to other hospitals outside of New York.

STAY TALL, PEOPLE!! We will get through this...the terrorists will pay....

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon

Finally, the hospital situation has victims moving to other hospitals outside of New York.Yhea and the Canadain Red Cross is urging everyone to give blood as they are air lifting shippments of blood to the victems

[Frozen]

I called my wife as soon as we heard about this in the office, and she's in tears. Even here in the UK, we are appauled and shocked beyond words that such an atrociety is even concievable, let alone possible.

As I have said in another thread, the deepest possible sympathies of all in the UK go out to all touched by this barbaric tragedy.

I am a praying man, and I pray for Harley and her father.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***

Halifax has started dumping empty plans into the ocean to make room for the incomming. They millitary has set up a tent city in the staduim for the passengers to stay till they can do something with them

[The Old Maid]

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those in the target zones.

This site has many friends in those areas :

Eileen/Harley and her stepdad, of course
I believe Blight also lives in NYC
The Animator
Etienne/Dana Tan
Nightwing, our moderator

We know flhero311 is okay. Thank goodness

Some we haven't seen for a while :

Rembrandt
Zakkour
Gokuo
Kaylie Kent
Kalera
and Lef-T (in DC, which was also hit)

I know there are at least ten more but I'm blanking on all the names. None of these are old enough to work in the Trade Center, but they are in that city somewhere and could use our hopes and prayers.

Also, if your beliefs allow it and you are eligible, go to your blood drive center and/or hospital. Some charities like Salvation Army and Red Cross will also help the survivors. A lot of them won't have jobs and may have to relocate in a hurry. Anything you can do to help will make a difference.

We are thinking of you.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by The Old Maid
Also, if your beliefs allow it and you are eligible, go to your blood drive center and/or hospital. Some charities like Salvation Army and Red Cross will also help the survivors. A lot of them won't have jobs and may have to relocate in a hurry. Anything you can do to help will make a difference. Yes give blood if you can or anything you think will help. Anyway US/Canadain boards are now somewhat open now and they will allow Americans back into the us and Canadian's back into to canada but RCMP officers are seaching ever vehicle. also Canadian airport are becoming overloaded with incomming flights

[SilverKnight]

We just gotta remember one thing...

"Innocent until proven guilty." That's the whole crux of the American way of life. If we throw that aside based on a hunch and condemn someone who COULD be innocent, we're digging our own grave.

Not that I disagree, y'know, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I mean, the US is big about rights and freedom. If we just throw those rights out the window because of something of this(albeit a huge tradgedy, I'll never deny that) then what are we saying about ourselves? Ya know? Like I said, I'm not disagreeing, but I'm trying to be more cool-headed and rational about this.

Bottom line is we don't know. And until we have hard facts, we can't judge. But, I do say this, the people that died will be in vain. Whoever did this will get caught. Period.

[SilverKnight]

One thing. I'm not trying to start a fight. And actually...I apologize for putting that up. Now's not the time to be saying something like this. We should be more concerned with hoping our friends are alright and hoping the attack is over.

Sorry again.

[Batmex]

This is impossible!!

I don't believe that we had such a tragedy today, I mean the person who planned this must be sick:mad: !!!!!!

I'm mexican but I live in the US and just to think of the inoccent people in the planes and the towers makes my blood boil!!:mad:

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

I'm back, sorry for the delay:

NEWS: Philadelphia has had its landmarks evecuated as well. The pentagon has finally had part of it collapse as well from its attack.

As others have said, please donate blood, and I pray for Toon Zone members in New York's safety...

.....and do not worry, Silverknight. The fact you remember this is already proving cooler heads will prevail, and we need that. We won't bash you at all.

MORE NEWS: One of the planes (Boston to L. Angeles) has found out to have 59 passengers and 9 crew members, American Airlines admit two hijacks, one with 81 passengers and 11 crew members, another with 58 passengers and 6 crew aboard.

EDIT: Added plane stats.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***

I heard from my freind in the Canadain Armforces they are going to set up a heavy air defence network arround portental industrial targets in albrta since it supplies the US with energy he is being shiped there right now.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: The navy is sending ships to guard the coast-two aircraft carriers have made thier way to New York, and five destroyers are planning to scour the east coast.
The U.N. has been evecuated.
Also, many Islamic governments and groups have denied attacks, and blame t on U.S. policy for getting the attack. However, Afghanistan's Talibin has said: "We feel the pain of the American Children going through this." An nice gesture...
....Washington D.C. has finally been declared in a state of emergency, some National Guard battalions will be reporting there by now.

Serious note, people: Have I posted more news and posted more in general than I should have? I am only trying to help....but fear I'm cluttering up the topic...

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
Serious note, people: Have I posted more news and posted more in general than I should have? I am only trying to help....but fear I'm cluttering up the topic... Naaa, your doing fine.

[Vin]

Originally posted by The Old Maid
Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those in the target zones.

This site has many friends in those areas :

Eileen/Harley and her stepdad, of course
I believe Blight also lives in NYC
The Animator
Etienne/Dana Tan
Nightwing, our moderator

We know flhero311 is okay. Thank goodness

Some we haven't seen for a while :

Rembrandt
Zakkour
Gokuo
Kaylie Kent
Kalera
and Lef-T (in DC, which was also hit)

I know there are at least ten more but I'm blanking on all the names. None of these are old enough to work in the Trade Center, but they are in that city somewhere and could use our hopes and prayers.

Also, if your beliefs allow it and you are eligible, go to your blood drive center and/or hospital. Some charities like Salvation Army and Red Cross will also help the survivors. A lot of them won't have jobs and may have to relocate in a hurry. Anything you can do to help will make a difference.

We are thinking of you.

Thank you Old Maid. This is Rembrandt, however, i changed my username to my real name, Vince. It's horrible what's going on here in NY and the entire US. My prayers go out to the victims families, etc. My uncle's are firefighters in the city and I'm concerned that they didn't make it. :( Eileen, I hope your father is OK.

[Bird Boy]

this is depressing...it's just not right...

I try to be funny in serious situations, so if anything in this message becomes rude sounding..forgive me..

I wake up this morning, checking all of the websites (it was around 9am). I get dressed, go down to eat, then my dad calls. Asks me if I'm watching the news and I say "no". So he fills me in, then I turn on my news station, and they're showing the buildings collapse. Like my mom says, it seems like somthing out of a movie...

None of this is right....we be nice to other nations..and they run into our buildings....I'm ticked off....

my prayers go out to those around the areas that were attacked...

-BB

[Roman Legion]

Just found out that that a good friend of mine here at my college may have had a number of aunts, uncles, and relatives aboard one of the hijacked flights. :( His family hasn't been able to find out which flight they were on, so this is unconfirmed, but they still haven't heard anything from them...

[James Harvey]

Today has been a horrible day for everyone. As I watched those buildings crumble today all I could think of is how could a person do this? Cause the possible death of 50, 000 people? All day today this is all I've been talking about. To friends. Family. Teachers. Class discussions. I just got back from a memorial for the tragedy and it just hit me as I stood in the church and stared at the crucifix on the wall. This is just terrible.

I also feel for the journalisst who are forced to keep a cool head in this, knwoing that someone could have been injured. Peter Jennings, though keeping a cool head, was noticably shaken.

This is just...awful. I don't think I can think of any other words to describe it.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Public Transportation is oficially up again! That's good, the city must be starting to recover!
Palestinians are dancing in the streets, happy at this event. I say they should stop dancing and....well, I won't say it here. HOWEVER, Yassar Arafrat condemms whoever did this.
FIVE battleships are now transported to the east coast! And they were all declared obsolete a while ago, technically...
...1500 "walking wounded" have been taken to around the Statue of Liberty. Here's hoping more survivors can be found.
SEVERE BLOOD SHORTAGE IN D.C. AND NEW YORK! Please donate blood! :(

Romey, I offer my consolences to your friend. I hope none of them died...
....and I learned of this through Silverknight's topic. Good thing SK swore, and got my attention....

....despite the aid America gives, this happens. Geez!

[TuffyCatt]

Hey. It's really good to find some people that I can talk to about this. I live in Northern Virginia and I have a lot of friends who have parents, friends, and relatives who work in Washington D.C. I'm really scared, you guys. My grandma and my aunt live in Washington, but we're pretty sure that they're okay.

When they announced what had happened at school, some people took it LIGHTLY :mad: :mad: :mad: While they had people sitting right next to them who had parents who work in Washington. What is wrong with some people????? Anyway, my deepest prayers go to anyone who has been involved in any of this. Thank you for listening...:(

[James Harvey]

I've been scowering the net, local papers, and television all day for more informaiton on this, and the news is just so overwhelming. I dod come across a link that I think is interesting and horrifying at the same time. The link I am posting below leads to a series of pictures showcasing the tragedy of the World Trade centers. Some of the content may be too emotional or intense. Please, look at these with caution.

http://tv.zap2it.com/shows/features/slideshows/newyorkplane/slide0.html

I stil can't believe this has happened. These pictures still just make this seem like something from a show, and it really didn't happen.

My prayers go out to everyone and I urge everyone to give blood if they can. I'm already scheduled for an appointment tomorrow at 10am at my local hospital.

This is just terrible.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***

A hyjacked planw was forced to land at Whitehorse (Canada) RCMP have secured the small airport and have taken the terrorists abord the plane into custody

[Joe Tully]

That's great news. Maybe they can find out who's behind this from interrogating them. Do you have a link for the news?

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
That's great news. Maybe they can find out who's behind this from interrogating them. Do you have a link for the news? I just saw it on my local TV news. They said they the RCMP has refused to talk to the press at this time about it. All they said was it was a International Flight form Korea

[Joe Tully]

I just heard about it on NBC, but they didn't mention much about it. They didn't even say that they caught anyone, just that they forced it to land and boarded it.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
I just heard about it on NBC, but they didn't mention much about it. They didn't even say that they caught anyone, just that they forced it to land and boarded it. Yhea well the RCMP is keeping quite about the details right now, they even say there may be the possiblity that there is no connection and that the people that hijacked this plane could have just been unlucky enough to pick today of all days. They will make a press release later on.

[Failure]

Jesus. Wow. I cannot believe this.

I woke up and checked my Yahoo and only saw a little link that said a plane crashed into the WTC. I clicked on it, but it didn't work, so I thought it wasn't such a big deal. Then I went to class. Next thing I know when class ends, I hear all these announcements that the University is closed, and that the WTC buildings totally collapsed and the Pentagon has been crashed into as well, and there were car bombs going off in the State Dept. and so on. I could not believe this, this was surreal. I dont mean to make any light of this incident, so dont take this the wrong way, but I think my first thought was the last 2 episodes of the MIB cartoon, where the aliens were blowing up NYC. This is just absolutely shocking, you never imagine something like this could happen. The complex organization, the intricacy of this, it's impossible to believe that anyone would have the gall to do all this.

I've been watching the news for the past 4-5 hours, and I still cant believe it. I cant believe that it actually happened, I can't believe that we had no clue of the imminent attack, and I cant believe that amidst all this, there's nothing much I can do to help.

I think everyone I know is ok, although I have a cousin that goes to school in Manhattan, I havent heard from yet. I just hope everyone else on this board is ok, and that everyone they know is ok. I am so sorry if anyone anyone knows is not less than perfect. I think everyone on this board will be more than willing to lend a helping hand.

This is a sad day.

[James Harvey]

To get constant updates on one of the most horrible things ever to happen on American soil in recent history, please keep checking this URL:

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/index.htm

[Brian Cruz]

Eileen's stepfather arrived home safely. He was about 5 minutes away from reaching the WTC when it happened. Eileen herself works at One Penn Plaza (on 34th St) and saw one of the planes fly by her office window. She's homely safely as well. Thanks everyone for your prayers and concern.

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
Today has been a horrible day for everyone. As I watched those buildings crumble today all I could think of is how could a person do this? Cause the possible death of 50, 000 people? All day today this is all I've been talking about. To friends. Family. Teachers. Class discussions. I just got back from a memorial for the tragedy and it just hit me as I stood in the church and stared at the crucifix on the wall. This is just terrible...

It has indeed been a horrible day. :( Everything more or less shut down in class today; if we had any discussion at all, it was about the overwhelming events of the morning.

I'm going to take the same risk as BB and try to post something slightly humorous - I overslept this morning, didn't eat breakfast, barely got my art projects together for morning class, etc...and thought basically, "Today's gonna be a bad day."

Understatement of the year there, folks. What happened in New York and DC this morning completely dwarfed any stupid little problems I had.

Thank God Eileen and her stepdad are safe, though. What a relief to hear that!

[JustJack]

Hey everyone. I've just gotta say..I'm 17, & in high school. All day long, all anyone would talk about is war, & the draft. Apparently, everyone in my school is a pansy. Everyone was screaming they'de leave the country before being drafted. Listen, I don't want to go into war either, but still. Someone jacked up our country, & I'd like to jack them back! Anyway..

This is a terrible & tragic thing. I honestly don't know what to say...I usually sound insensitive at times like these, so I'm gona try not to say anything at all...but...

Just so you know, New Mexico is closed for business. Concidering all of the bomb facilities, labs & whatnot, I guess they're very cautious. Everyone is pretty scared. But, who wouldn't be?

[Joe Tully]

I think that most colleges are shut down here in Mass. UMass has been shut down since 1 PM.

[James Harvey]

I agree that we need to try and inject some humor when every we can to try and lift some spririts. I'm trying to just post on the others boards as I regulary would to just get my mind at ease and just calm myself down. I know I'll have to face this head on in the next few days as my Journalism prof instructe dus to write a story covering the events. The classes I had today spent the entire time covering the crisis, and it's just surreal how this effects everyone, no matter where you are.

This isn't just a blow to America, a country I love although I am not Native. This is a blow to the world. This is a blow to all of us and we have to deal with it as best we can.

I don't think trying to inject some humor is rude, but a step in trying to calm things down if possible.

I ma really glad that Eileen and her family are safe. I'm glad that everyone I know of is safe right now. I just hope none of us here have to suffer this, or have friends or family who have. I hate seeing this stuff happen, and I just hope we can all keep our heads and just breathe.

[batboy2001]

Military analysist think it was state backed, the strike was to precise and cordonated same with the pilots. They think it's either Iran or Iraq, or factions within them. You know how everyone says the Mouslams (spelling) are behind this? Well I saw an nonviolent Mouslams group who said "this is not in our Bible, we are not suppossed to kill, these are terrist" you know how everyone said timothy mcvae was a Christian ever though he wasn't? This cood be the same thing, real Mouslams are probaly not like that. Sorry for my bad spelling, I am in a real hurry.

[Calhoun07]

I haven't even read thru all the posts yet, just browsed thru many of them. I've been at work all day and I heard about the tragedy on the radio, so I immediately went into the break room and turned on the TV. It was hard to concentrate on waiting on customers while worrying about what was going down. I saw the first building collapse, and that had to be one of the most devastating images I have ever seen. I can't imagine the horror of this all and how it will all play out in the days to come, and the months and years. To all affected, I say a silent prayer.

[Calhoun07]

Anybody know if any names of people have been released yet among those who died today? I heard in passing, at least thought I heard, that an actor from Frasier was on one of the planes? :confused: But I've been watching the news for a while now and nothing has been said about it, tho they are saying it's more than likely there were well known people on those planes, and powerful people.

[Batmex]

A third building just fell as a result of a chain reaction, I also saw something distrubing on TV:

Saudi Arabia is CELEBRATING!? :eek:

This people are celebrating that the Terrorist atack was succesful!

I can't belive seeing children with candy rejoicing for the death of thousands of inoccent people, I can't stand it!!!!

[Calhoun07]

Did you listen to that Palestenian represenative on MSNBC about those people celebrating? He kept on trying to make it sound like as if only a few teen agers were getting happy about it. He was such a liar and he just made me sick. They are happy about this. Better believe it.

Who here witnessed the collapse of the first tower live? I had it on ABC in the break room at work, and it was on the radio on CBS for the entire bank to hear, and Dan Rather was just without words. Rarely do you hear somebody lose composure like that on the news. Seeing it all made me weak, unable to stand, and weep.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Have any of you guys heard from RockitShipper yet? I think she lives in NYC.

[bushnader666]

Originally posted by Batmex
A third building just fell as a result of a chain reaction, I also saw something distrubing on TV:

Saudi Arabia is CELEBRATING!? :eek:

This people are celebrating that the Terrorist atack was succesful!

I can't belive seeing children with candy rejoicing for the death of thousands of inoccent people, I can't stand it!!!!
If I was in the middle east, I'd run. THEY WILL BE VAPORIZED. THE MIDDLE EAST WILL BE A GLASS PARKING LOT. Mark My words.

Why? Kabul, Afganistan is being bombed as we speak. Tune in to CNN. BinLaden prob. is in a deep bunker or in some remote desert. He won't be THAT stupid. But he will be vaporized. Our message is clear: you attack us, we send you fusing hydrogen atoms.

Retribution will be delivered. The United States of America WILL NOT BE WEAKENED.

[Blight]

This is terrible. I agree that these terrorists should be simply killed on sight. What they have done is sick, and I am glad that Bush is taking extreme action on this. And yes, I do live in NYC and I even saw the second tower colapse on TV. So for those of you who were worried, I am fine:), and I hope these terrorists are found VERY soon. On a lighter note (but not for me) some of the network channels are out here, including the WB, which means I may not get to see the final episode of Batman Beyond if it's still out on friday:(.

See ya!
Blight

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Gee, I'm not too fond of these "Let's vaporize the Middle East." declarations. The Middle East is comprised of many types of people, not all of them militant anti-American Palestinians. The last thing we need is an outright rejection of all people in the Middle East.

Let's wait further before we start making statements we might regret. While everyone is preparing for war with an OUTSIDE nation, many people might be missing the possibilities that this was a heavy INSIDE job as well, as we have learned before.

EDITED: For clarity and niggling annoyances.

[Calhoun07]

Anybody have any problems with any of the Internet today? We had problems at work. I think maybe there were some major servers that went down in the Trade Center buildings.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Yeah. Some slow reacting, and I couldn't post from school, as everything was insane. So many people in my University were huddled around a big TV set in the main building, and newspapers were cranking out at a rapid pace. Even though I was in Toronto, the place was still buzzing, and EVERYONE on the GO train trip home was buried beneath the special edition newspaper, and there was little to no chatting. Man, I've never seen anything like it in my life, nor would I want to again.

I've got three new unviewed DVDs at home that I was going to watch, but now I can't sit down and veg. I have to talk about it.

[Calhoun07]

I haven't gotten email ALL DAY, and I have four active email accts, one of which gets many junk emails. I wonder if a server went down that deals with my mail???

[Joe Tully]

I'm not going to say anything like "Nuke the Middle East" but I think that if you're a country like Afghanistan and let someone like bin Laden stay there, and know what he's up to but don't do anything about it, then if you are stuck in the crosshairs between the U.S. and bin Laden, it's you're own fault. It's too bad that they're being bombed, but they know that he wasn't a very nice person and decided to let him stay there anyways. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

[bushnader666]

Update: Kabul bombing isn't of our doing. Must be some internal civil war. But what about Sudan?

[DerekPowers]

this is just insane. i live in nyc and a bunch of my school's dorms were evacuated cause all of lower manhattan is being evacuated. plus a friend of mine was working at a shop in the wtc's court yard when the first plane hit. luckily he got out of there. this is really horrible, all i could think of is how terrible it is that SO many people just died and so many people have just lost family members. as i watched it on tv i kept thinking it looked like a video game or cgi or something, it was so unreal. i went down to as far as the cops were letting people go, to houston st., to see what was going on. it was so surreal to not have the twin towers right infront of me, instead all i saw was a huge cloud of smoke. then it occured to me that holy shi%, my city was just bomed and destroyed from the air in a terrorist act of war. i am in an american city under attack. i still cant believe it.

i must send out my deepest condolences to everyone in ny and dc and around the world who have lost family in this terrible event, and to all those injured. hopefully all those lives taken are at peace right now.

all i know is that i'm sure our government will administer swift and brutal revenge on those responsible. i sincerely hope a war does not develop out of this, for we do not need anymore lives lost, but if war is the only option, then i'm behind it. yeah, this is really insane, i cant even believe it.

i hope everyone on this board and their families and friends are all okay. peace.

[bushnader666]

Update II: "Senior US Officials" say that “no option has been taken off the table...” This may mean nuclear weapons. I bet that ALL of our nuclear weapons are on high alert. The entire US military is mobilized. The full fury of the United States of America will BE UNLEASHED.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I'm not going into any more politics. Or finger pointing, or retaliation, or anything. It's hatred and blind intolerance that causes these things to happen in the first place.

I hope everyone here who lives in NYC drops us a line. The casualties are terrible, and I hope nobody here was injured or worse. But I totally understand if many of these members forget about "logging on" and have more important stuff to worry about. Some of you may be needed to aid the injured within the next few weeks. I wish you good luck. It's too easy to comment on things when you're sitting on the other side of the looking glass, and not actually in it...

[Calhoun07]

As soon as I saw this happen, even before the buildings went down, I knew this was going to lead to some kind of war, but who will we attack? The problem with these Palestinians, they are not in just one country. Heck, for all we know, it could be an extremeist group living currently in America.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by calhoun07
As soon as I saw this happen, even before the buildings went down, I knew this was going to lead to some kind of war, but who will we attack? The problem with these Palestinians, they are not in just one country. Heck, for all we know, it could be an extremeist group living currently in America.

Yes, or it could be an independent international group with members of different races. Some of the terrorist members may actually be Americans, and have held key positions in America. It might explain the careful planning and research of flight patterns and knowledge of bypassing security. America's been burned by its own before. And these inside jobs are often the worst. Protect your country from outside attacks, but KEEP A CLOSER lookout for inside jobs. Those are the deadliest.

I wish the FBI good luck and maybe put pressure on them if it is an inside job. Waging war within yourself is the hardest battle.

[Samhaine]

Did they ever release any info about the highjackers on the plane in Canada?

[Calhoun07]

It's no secret that the worst enemy is one who has been involved with it's foe so closely, and knows its foes vulnerabilities. Everybody thought OK City was a Islam attack, but it was an American. There may be some surprises yet before this is all over. All I know, there are alot of people who have to answer for this, and I would hate to be in quite a few shoes tonight.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by bloodone
Did they ever release any info about the highjackers on the plane in Canada?

I think it was boarded and nothing too bad happened. It's being eclipsed by the WTC attack, so we don't know enough.

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


I think it was boarded and nothing too bad happened. It's being eclipsed by the WTC attack, so we don't know enough.


I meant along the lines of was it related to WTC or just a coincidence. Thanks, tho.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
Gee, I'm not to fond of these "Let's vaporize the Middle East." declarations. The Middle East is comprised of many types of people, not all of them militant anti-American Palestinians. The last thing we need is an outright rejection of all peoples Middle East.

Let's wait further before we start making statements we might regret. While everyone is preparing for war with an OUTSIDE country, many people might be missing the possibilities that this was a heavy INSIDE job as well, as we have learned before.

AMEN!!

I am sickened. Horrified. Blind with rage. Just like everyone here.

But LLJ is absolutely right: When you're in such a state, the LAST thing you should do is just blindly strike back. Let's not amplify the horrific crime that's been done to us by going off half-cocked.

[Maxie Zeus]

My local system was down, so I couldn't get in earlier. In a way I'm glad, for I get to see right off the bat that so many of you who I worried about are OK.

[Maxie Zeus]

Now that the news is settling in and thoughts are turning to "What next?" perhaps we should all be extra careful with what we say about this subject. Anger doesn't translate well on the message boards, even when it is anger directed toward those responsible for today's horror--however much we may all loathe them.

And let's all make extra allowances for each other.

[optimal321]

Damn. I know a lot of crap about this has already been said, so i'll just say my personal experience.

It was second period. Art class. We always listen to the radio while we draw. Only today, there wasn't much music playing.

My natural reaction was "is this a joke?"

But it wasn't.

And a lot of stupid kids did take it lightly. I tried to, but, this is a friggin crappy day.

This is the first American tragedy i really remember. I remember the Oklahoma City bombing, but it wasn't like this. I was younger and it was just... different.

I live right by the Wright Patterson Air Force Base, so of course we all went into minor panic of being attacked. It scared the crap out of me to hear to loud booms while i was eating supper.

Only i didn't just hear them. I could feel them, vibrating inside me.

But they were just the sonic booms of two fighters taking off. Thank God.

I just pray for everything. To be better.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by bloodone

I meant along the lines of was it related to WTC or just a coincidence. Thanks, tho. The entire city has been quarantined no one gets or out. But they have released the the pilot along with the passengers are alive and been questioned.

[Failure]

Originally posted by bloodone
Did they ever release any info about the highjackers on the plane in Canada?

Is this about the plane that almost hit it's own airport. Were there highjackers? I think I read that it was a pilot's error. I might be wrong though.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by optimal321
Damn. I know a lot of crap about this has already been said, so i'll just say my personal experience.

It was second period. Art class. We always listen to the radio while we draw. Only today, there wasn't much music playing.

My natural reaction was "is this a joke?"

But it wasn't.

And a lot of stupid kids did take it lightly. I tried to, but, this is a friggin crappy day.



Well, at least we know why you have a hard time fitting in. You're smarter than many of your peers, the majority of whom seem to miss the enormity of the event...

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Failure


Is this about the plane that almost hit it's own airport. Were there highjackers? I think I read that it was a pilot's error. I might be wrong though. No your thinking about the one in Vancouver that scared everyone half to death thinking it was going to crash into the terminal.

[optimal321]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


Well, at least we know why you have a hard time fitting in. You're smarter than many of your peers, the majority of whom seem to miss the enormity of the event...

Thanks. And i'm glad that here at least, people seem to really care about what happened. And my problems seem so small and unimportant compared to this.

Too bad there's not a real Justice League.

[I.R Joey]

The last thing we need is for this to esceltate into war. My dad and I where talking about this just last night, we concluded that as a species we would not survive world war 3 (if we went all out.)

[Failure]

Originally posted by bushnader666

If I was in the middle east, I'd run. THEY WILL BE VAPORIZED. THE MIDDLE EAST WILL BE A GLASS PARKING LOT. Mark My words.

Why? Kabul, Afganistan is being bombed as we speak. Tune in to CNN. BinLaden prob. is in a deep bunker or in some remote desert. He won't be THAT stupid. But he will be vaporized. Our message is clear: you attack us, we send you fusing hydrogen atoms.

Retribution will be delivered. The United States of America WILL NOT BE WEAKENED.

I think we have to avoid this kind of thinking, this kind of hatred. It's this sort of thinking that's behind the fighting in the middle east, the kind of thinking behind the terrorist actions.

Those kids that were celebrating, they dont know a thing. As much as we'd like to punch those smug little smiling jerks, they're only reacting like that, because of their parents. And their parents taught them that, because of their parents. All this hatred, it flows down, and continues, even when you think there's no reason, it continues because it's taught. Would we want our children cheering if one day in the future, some crazed American committed a terrorist act against Iraq or someone? I think we'd want them to be above that.

However, I'll agree that if the US does find a country aided bin laden or whoever committed the crimes, we'll definitely react with force. Hopefully, though, no war will erupt from it. The best case scenario I guess would be for us to find the actual culprits and make them pay for it indiviually, but I guess that's going to be close to impossible.

[Failure]

Originally posted by optimal321

Too bad there's not a real Justice League.

Exactly! We sure could've used a Superman huh?
:)

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Did they ever flush out all the members involved in the Oklahoma bombing?

[Kylewayne]

It's horrible! As I was getting ready to go to school I turned on the TV in the morning and saw that the NY World Trade Center had collapsed . I was horrified by the news and called my friend who works near the towers... she is alright but in shock.

In Montreal, it was the talk of the day. Everyone on the streets, at
school, at work was in disbelief. It was like watching a sci-fi flic. This hit was so well planned it's like out of a movie. I still can't believe this happened. Well, I hope that all your families are safe and well.

Good night and take care my american toonzone friends.

[JLU Dude]

Too bad there aren't any real spuerheroes. This is a disater. I hope the family of people who are injuried or died are doing all right. I also hope the people injuried get better. But now, we need to know who did this and get rid off them.

[Clayface]

My god - they just announced that 78 NYC police officers are missing.

Its terrible. I woke up this morning, and I look over at the TV. I didn't have my glasses on, or my contacts in, but I could see something burning on the screen. I grabbed my glasses and slipped them on just to watch the first tower collapse, live. What a terrible image to see first thing in the morning - don't think I'm going to sleep too well tonight.

My university continued to hold classes today, but TVs on carts were set up all over the studnet union - and between classes, everyboy would head over there and watch what was going on. It was like something out of a movie - all these people sitting there, all their attention on the TV, watching this horror unfold.

I've been watching this all day, and I'm still in shock.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Crap, some of our members' private message boxes aren't taking new mail. Getting worried...

[bushnader666]

200 Firefighters dead.
78 Policemen dead.

I don't want to wake up the next morning. I don't want to wake up for another 6 months. 30 years from now, we will be telling our children "I was here in ________ when the Twin Towers were destroyed." Just like the JFK assassination.

We must put aside all political, social and racial divisions behind us. AMERICA MUST STAND TALL.

God Bless America.

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Hey, does anyone know what the chances are of finding the little black boxes from those two planes? Those things may have some clues as to who's behind this...although even if the boxes are still intact, they still have to be found...and that could take who knows how long...:( :( :(

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Singin' Stray Cat
Hey, does anyone know what the chances are of finding the little black boxes from those two planes? Those things may have some clues as to who's behind this...although even if the boxes are still intact, they still have to be found...and that could take who knows how long...:( :( :(

Oh, I'm sure they'll be looking for them - you can count on that. On the ride home I heard that one of the planes was hijacked by men with knives. All it took was some friggin knives, not even guns. Can you believe that?

[Samhaine]

Hey, I have a quick question.

On the news, I heard them talking about the positions to attack that were neccesary to take us basically out. They mentioned the WTC, Washington, DC, and then they mentioned Pittsburgh. Anyone know of a reason to mention Pittsburgh next? That may have been where the fourth plane was headed.

[Joe Tully]

Two planes went to WTC.
One went to the Pentagon.
One was on the way to Camp David but didn't make it. That was the one in Pennsylvania.

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
One was on the way to Camp David but didn't make it. That was the one in Pennsylvania.


It wasn't neccesarily on it's way to Camp David. I don't think they were actually sure about where it was headed.

[Maxie Zeus]

According to the Washington Post, the transponders (used to identify aircraft to air traffic controllers) on all 4 planes were turned off. This suggests a sophisticated knowledge on the part of the hijackers.

[Vin]

Originally posted by bushnader666
200 Firefighters dead.
78 Policemen dead.

I don't want to wake up the next morning. I don't want to wake up for another 6 months. 30 years from now, we will be telling our children "I was here in ________ when the Twin Towers were destroyed." Just like the JFK assassination.

We must put aside all political, social and racial divisions behind us. AMERICA MUST STAND TALL.

God Bless America.

My uncle's are in NYC and are firefighters. Oh god....please let them be Ok.

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Clayface


Oh, I'm sure they'll be looking for them - you can count on that. On the ride home I heard that one of the planes was hijacked by men with knives. All it took was some friggin knives, not even guns. Can you believe that?

As there were no survivors, and the voice recorders have not yet been recovered, how would anyone know how the hijackings occurred? (I love rumors)

as to the black boxes (cockpit voice recorders, flight data recorders):

these are the first things the NTSB looks for. The Pentagon and PA devices should be easy to recover - the WTC will take months (if they bother - there is little I can imagine that would be of interest) (not a pleasant scenario, so I won't go there)

of more interest - there are very few people who could fly those planes with such precision...

d

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by Vince


My uncle's are in NYC and are firefighters. Oh god....please let them be Ok.


I really hope that they are ok. I wish that nobody has to feel the kind of loss that comes with something this meaningless.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by happyheathen
As there were no survivors, and the voice recorders have not yet been recovered, how would anyone know how the hijackings occurred? (I love rumors)There are reports of Cell phone cal made from the planes at the time.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by bloodone
I really hope that they are ok. I wish that nobody has to feel the kind of loss that comes with something this meaningless. Ditto I'll pray from them.

[redDragon]

Originally posted by Clayface


Oh, I'm sure they'll be looking for them - you can count on that. On the ride home I heard that one of the planes was hijacked by men with knives. All it took was some friggin knives, not even guns. Can you believe that?

Yeah, and on the news they were saying that one flight attendant said that they killed the staff and stabbed a flight attendant in an aisle :(. To witness a hijacking, a murder, and know that you're going to die. How terrible.

My mom told me that the WTC was under attack while I was getting ready for school. Didn't really believe it, even as I watched it on the news. We spent all of english talking about it, how some of instantly went "Oh it was them middle eastern people" which isn't fair at all. One of my friends was in French and people around her were basically saying that it was Afgan's and she's Afgan so that's really offending.

War's bound to be talked about with such a big threat as this. I've heard this likened to Pearl Harbor a few times now, even though it hasn't been confirmed to be by a certain country or group.

I'd like to donate blood but I'm not 16 yet so I can't. Best wishes to all who're suffering because of this catastrophe

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by bloodone



I really hope that they are ok. I wish that nobody has to feel the kind of loss that comes with something this meaningless.


This is soooooo off-topic, but I just realized that that post was my 100th. Hurray! That's probably more posts than I had from the beseen days to the Toonzone V.3 boards. Huzzah!


Sorry, but the mood [i]does [\i]need to be lightened a bit.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by bloodone
This is soooooo off-topic, but I just realized that that post was my 100th. Hurray! That's probably more posts than I had from the beseen days to the Toonzone V.3 boards. Huzzah!


Sorry, but the mood [i]does [\i]need to be lightened a bit.

Indeed! Take it where you can. ;)

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: A 4th building called #5 at the WTC is near collapse. It's basically unsalvegable. Bush also made a Statement to the Nation at 8:30 P.M. Eastern Time...saying the U.S. will stand firm. By golly, he's right. Also, Bin Ladin is the prime suspect in this. An American bombing of Kabul has been denied, but it is said Bin Ladin resides there.

Sorry for lack of news, was busy. I pray for all the public servants....and thank you for consolation, Kylewayne. It is much appreciated.

[Roman Legion]

Originally posted by Vince
My uncle's are in NYC and are firefighters. Oh god....please let them be Ok. I'll be praying for them too, Vince...

This really *is* affecting everyone. =/

--Romey

[Vin]

Originally posted by Romey
I'll be praying for them too, Vince...

This really *is* affecting everyone. =/

--Romey

Thanks man.

[optimal321]

Ya know, it's weird how i've always seen New York being attacked and destroyed before. But that was just in TV and movies, and the like. It was just so surreal to know that two planes actually destroyed the Twin Towers.

And i can't help wondering if whoever was behind this knew exactly how many people he would hurt. It's not just a political thing. Too many innocents died today. I just pray to God that everything will be okay.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by optimal321

And i can't help wondering if whoever was behind this knew exactly how many people he would hurt. It's not just a political thing. Too many innocents died today. I just pray to God that everything will be okay.

Oh, he or she or they knew...the planes used had a pretty full tank of gas...so they were meant to explode BIG.

I'm surprised about the Pentagon. Was it a passenger plane that crashed into that, too? The Pentagon should have KNOWN about a suspicious plane coming off-course, it being a centre of intelligence and all.

[Psycho Fox]

You know this makes me think of when the Canadain Goverment was talking about having undercover RCMP agents on random Canadain flights armed with Guns with hollowpoint bullets. I wonder after this if the goverment will go through with this.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

The main problems with intelligence was that they:

1. Not prepared in short notice, these attacks were done in quick time.
2. Had crummy intelligence from machines. Some say we needed more HUMANS...you know, people out there DOING stuff.

But still, I do NOT feel safe when the military headquarters are damaged...

....New York. Geez, what Optimal said was true. All those movies...never thought it'd happen. Quite the shocker...

[dendawg]

Originally posted by Vince


My uncle's are firefighters in the city and I'm concerned that they didn't make it. :(

Aw, man Vince, my heart goes out to you. I will pray and hope they are OK.

Remember when I posted that I worked in my state's house of reps? It turns out I didn't have to go in and wasted a round trip downtown to have to find out. :rolleyes:

But, seriously, Vince, your uncles are in my prayers. :)

[The Mad Hatter]

I'm here... finally. I work as a journalist in Arkansas, and all day and part of the night I was running around writing stories on the effects of this. I am mentally exhausted from this surreal and unbelievable day. And things are even more surreal in the newsroom since the televisions are on constantly, and we're getting constant updates.

Myself, I was hit by a battering ram. When I got to work, only one plane had crashed into it. My logical mind played down the event... surely it was a tv helicopter that spun out of control, or a man who wanted to commit suicide in a turboprop. I was watching TV with live footage of the towers, when we saw a plane out of the corner of my eye. It's a media plane, I thought, and the talking heads took no notice. Then... it hit the other tower. And then twin bolts of shock and despair shot through my system as I realized that someone was doing this on purpose.

My day was similarly odd. I ran around downtown Conway, getting people's reactions to this even as they watched the events unfold on TV. No one worked, everyone was trying to make sense of things. I had a hard time tearing myself away from the televisions, as each new person I talked to had heard that the events had gotten another step darker.

Later, I covered the gasoline stations... I don't know about you, but people panicked and rushed the stations, because they believed there would be a gas shortage. Why, I didn't know... I don't think the people in line did, either. Maybe they just wanted to do something, ANYTHING, that would reassure them.

Then, I talked to a Conway guy who was actually in the trade centers when the plane hit. He was in tower #2 and was halfway down the stairs (because of the first strike) when the second plane hit... and it hit where his temporary classroom was. He lived the experience, and he's even more confused than we are.

How could a group coordinate three (almost four) air crashes in the space of an hour? What kind of group would do this? What could they possibly hope to gain for themselves? How much loss of life did this cause? When will we even be able to make sense of this?

I just hope people don't continue to overreact, and that this doesn't lead into a new, socially acceptable racism against people of middle eastern decent. The attackers could have been US citizens, for all we know. I do know that it will be a long, long time before we'll be able to even fully absorb the whole impact of this...

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


Oh, he or she or they knew...the planes used had a pretty full tank of gas...so they were meant to explode BIG.

I'm surprised about the Pentagon. Was it a passenger plane that crashed into that, too? The Pentagon should have KNOWN about a suspicious plane coming off-course, it being a centre of intelligence and all.

Yes-- The analysis I've seen on the web pinpoints the fuel as the cause of the collapse. Basically, the fires melted the upper structures, which collapsed and put too great a strain on the lower structures. The impacts themselves wouldn't have done it.

If this fuel angle was deliberate, it makes it curious that the jets came out of Boston rather than JFK or LaGuardia, which would have consumed much less fuel and thus made for a bigger bang. Since the attacks were so well co-ordinated, they needed to be set up in advance, which all by itself suggests the need for "inside help," and the fact that Logan was one of the chosen jumping off-points is also suggestive.

I bet the investigators will be tearing apart the lives of everyone at Dulles and Logan airports.

[Jowy Blight]

My uncle's are firefighters in the city and I'm concerned that they didn't make it.

I really hope your uncle's are alright, but I know how you feel. I have some family there also.

[optimal321]

Well, i'm just glad you made it through alive, Hatter. And my parents were worried about gas prices too. They went out earlier tonight and waited in line just to fill up their tank.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***

There is a correction it was not one plane forced down in Whitehorse but 2 both international from Korea still no press release as CISC and RCMP keeps reports away.

[Jowy Blight]

What a awful day, I wonder what kind of changes will be made to make sure this wont happen again?

[Maxie Zeus]

From the Washington Post (http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/1m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12507-2001Sep11.html)



There was not even the grace of instant death. Instead, there was time to call from the sky over Virginia to loved ones, fingers pumping cell phones, voices saying quick, final goodbyes.

Herded to the back of the plane by hijackers armed with knives and box-cutters, the 64 passengers and crew members of American Airlines Flight 77--including the wife of Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a Senate staffer, three D.C. schoolchildren and three teachers on an educational field trip and a University park family of four headed to Australia for a two-month adventure--were ordered to call relatives to say they were about to die.

This is cruelty for the sake of cruelty. The malicious pleasure of causing and watching the suffering of others. Untainted by even misbegotten idealism, or the disease of madness.

This is the face that evil wears, when the last mask has fallen.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
What a awful day, I wonder what kind of changes will be made to make sure this wont happen again? Well as I posted before the Canadain goverment though of having undercover armed agents on flights. The US could possibly try it and it would be harder to forcfully take control of a plane that way.

[Failure]

Originally posted by Vince


My uncle's are in NYC and are firefighters. Oh god....please let them be Ok.

Vince, I hope your uncles turn out to be ok. I'm a bit worried about a cousin I have who goes to school near the area, I havent heard anything yet, but I'm optimistic, and I dont think anything bad has happened.

I'm not a praying man, but I will wish for your uncles' safe health. Good luck.

[batboy2001]

Actually I don't believe that CN crap about it not coming from the midle east, just didn't want to sound racial. I think it was that terrorist guy hinsoden whatever. Do you think the black boxes made it through the Pittsburg crash?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo I'm surprised about the Pentagon. Was it a passenger plane that crashed into that, too? The Pentagon should have KNOWN about a suspicious plane coming off-course, it being a centre of intelligence and all.

They were tracking it. Apparently it was aimed originally at the White House, and the swerved at the last minute to aim at the Pentagon.

[Trent Lane]

Originally posted by The Old Maid
This site has many friends in those areas :

Eileen/Harley and her stepdad, of course
I believe Blight also lives in NYC
The Animator
Etienne/Dana Tan
Nightwing, our moderator

We know flhero311 is okay. Thank goodness

Some we haven't seen for a while :

Rembrandt
Zakkour
Gokuo
Kaylie Kent
Kalera
and Lef-T (in DC, which was also hit)

I know there are at least ten more but I'm blanking on all the names. None of these are old enough to work in the Trade Center, but they are in that city somewhere and could use our hopes and prayers.

We are thinking of you.

Thing were pretty scary here for a while. My campus was released early and all of downtown Charlotte was closed down. My dad's work was shut down due to its likely hood of being a target for terrorists, so I was- and still am- a little on edge. Charlotte was empty. It was really creepy, a ghost town almost. Thanks for the concern, I really feel like you guys are the best around. Keep praying for those in the most need...

Also, I was coming home today and the DJ broke in all the talking and said he had to play a song. He played Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down". That song has such a new meaning now, if you've got it, listen to the lyrics... "Well I won't back down/ No, I won't back down/ You can stand me up at the gates of Hell/ But I won't back down..."

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
What a awful day, I wonder what kind of changes will be made to make sure this wont happen again?

How about:

fighters/interceptors constantly aloft with orders to destroy any aircraft that does not land where/when ordered to?

guns on aircraft are a joke - there are quite lethal handguns which can get through airport 'security' (another joke)

[TuffyCatt]

There was not even the grace of instant death. Instead, there was time to call from the sky over Virginia to loved ones, fingers pumping cell phones, voices saying quick, final goodbyes.

That is truly awful. To think that there are people on this earth who would do that to other people. I know stuff like this had happened before, but this time it seems to be closer to everyone's heart...

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Calling loved ones to tell them you're about to die?!? Now there's a feeling that's unimaginable... one I still hope no one here had to experience... How could anyone make anyone else do that?? :( :(

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Singin' Stray Cat
Calling loved ones to tell them you're about to die?!? Now there's a feeling that's unimaginable... one I still hope no one here had to experience... How could anyone make anyone else do that?? :( :(

I think it was just 1 or 2 passengers switching on their cell phones when they had the chance. Airplanes forbid the use of celluar phones after take-off. I've only seen one person use a cell while I've flown and I nearly reported her...

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by happyheathen


How about:

fighters/interceptors constantly aloft with orders to destroy any aircraft that does not land where/when ordered to?Yhea but what about the 2 korean planes they went off course but didn't hit anything. No one was hurt on board. Maybe it was a trick to get us to shoot it down then feel guilty when we get the black box.



guns on aircraft are a joke - there are quite lethal handguns which can get through airport 'security' (another joke) Having someone armed to shot back at terrorist might just stop the hijacking

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
Yhea but what about the 2 korean planes they went off course but didn't hit anything. No one was hurt on board. Maybe it was a trick to get us to shoot it down then feel guilty when we get the black box.

Having someone armed to shot back at terrorist might just stop the hijacking

a. the Korean planes landed when so ordered.

b. the good guys with guns would be the first to be shot by the bad guys with guns - timing is everything
(DC is the most heavily defended airspace in the US - so much for defense...)

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
I think it was just 1 or 2 passengers switching on their cell phones when they had the chance. Airplanes forbid the use of celluar phones after take-off. I've only seen one person use a cell while I've flown and I nearly reported her...

Read the quote and check the link: They were forced to make the calls.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by happyheathen


a. the Korean planes landed when so ordered.After a fighter gave it some warning shots.


b. the good guys with guns would be the first to be shot by the bad guys with guns - timing is everything[/B]Well the Canadain idea was to have undercover RCMP agents on flights with hidden gun. The plan was to have 4 of them one on each corner of the aircraft thus the idea is one would be able to shoot the hijacker in the back

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


Read the quote and check the link: They were forced to make the calls.

Oh sorry... I missed that sentence. :o That's really sick... I wonder how much time there was between the calls and the crash, tho'? So far, there hasn't been too much coverage on that portion of it...

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by RockItShipper


Oh sorry... I missed that sentence. :o That's really sick... I wonder how much time there was between the calls and the crash, tho'? So far, there hasn't been too much coverage on that portion of it...

Probably a few minutes to a half an hour...

No description of the hijackers, either?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


Probably a few minutes to a half an hour...

No description of the hijackers, either?

Follow the link (http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/1m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12507-2001Sep11.html). I wish I could tell you, but in fact I couldn't bring myself to read the whole thing. Seriously, I thought I was going faint as the reality of what it described sank in. For instance:

Barbara Olson (whom some may know as a blonde TV commentator), the wife of the Solicitor General, was supposed to be on a flight leaving yesterday. But today was her husband's birthday, so she took a later flight (the one that hit the Pentagon, as it turned out) so she could have breakfast with him.

If a screenwriter had made that up we'd sneer at how rankly manipulative a situation it is.

[Maxie Zeus]

One of the executive producers of "Frasier," I heard on the radio a little while ago, was on the Boston to LAX flight.

[Greg]

I think this will go down as one the worst days in the history of our country.
I'm so enraged and shocked at this atrocity I can scarecly think straight! I mean, first I hear about a plane crashing into the WTC, & I thought it was just a tragic accident. Then I hear it was intentional. Then there's another crash, then another, and another ! And I think, "My God, what the h***s going on?!"
Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people died because of these cowardly SOB's!! It just makes me sick! I'm against mass bombing, but I do feel that the people responsible for the planning and implementation of this mass murder should be hunted down & exterminated!! :mad:

I'm also a little concerned for my own city. Charlotte is the second largest financial hub in the country next to NY, which means that we could, conceivably, be on a future hit list. So I really hope they find those !%&*!&! quick! I pray this isn't the start of WW3. Sorry for the ramble, but it felt good to get that off my chest!

-Greg (who wishes this day had never happened!) :(

" Blood calls out for blood - Londo Mollari (Babylon 5)

"Farewell until we meet again, peace be with you, and may the forces of evil be confused on the way to your house!"
-George Carlin

[Psycho Fox]

I hear ya, but if the mod is gona go after them they can punish them so much better. They can get em raped, tortured and die slowly then their body parts sold off.

[Psycho Fox]

Nothing my bad skip this

[Clayface]

Originally posted by happyheathen

b. the good guys with guns would be the first to be shot by the bad guys with guns - timing is everything


Actually, the US used to have armed sky marshalls on planes. Worked just fine, but they were slowly faded out. You're assuming that the "good guys" would be apparent - what's to say they wouldn't be undercover and looking just like the other passengers?

[Greg]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
I hear ya, but if the mod is gona go after them they can punish them so much better. They can get em raped, tortured and die slowly then their body parts sold off.


Sounds good to me. They deserve every bit of that...and more!

-Greg

[Calhoun07]

Are gas prices going up now? I heard that it's supposed to reach five dollars per gallon now. I haven't found any news sources to tell me that, just word of mouth. People in Kansas City are also buying bottled water because they fear the water will be poisoned now. I understand everybody has their own way to deal with tragedy, but I don't think mass hysteria is good at all. Can somebody be the voice of reason in all of this?

[Jowy Blight]

Uh, you REALLY don't want me to be the voice of reason here. But one thing, were did this talk of the water being poisoned come from? From what I heard though, the gas is still going to be the same.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Clayface


Actually, the US used to have armed sky marshalls on planes. Worked just fine, but they were slowly faded out. You're assuming that the "good guys" would be apparent - what's to say they wouldn't be undercover and looking just like the other passengers? That's what I was talking about undercover agents.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Are gas prices going up now? I heard that it's supposed to reach five dollars per gallon now. I haven't found any news sources to tell me that, just word of mouth. People in Kansas City are also buying bottled water because they fear the water will be poisoned now. I understand everybody has their own way to deal with tragedy, but I don't think mass hysteria is good at all. Can somebody be the voice of reason in all of this?

Unfortunately, there are some cases of price gouging going on in the country - people cashing in on the mass hysteria that's going on - people don't feel safe now, and are worried about terrorism coming from every angle. Enterprising crooks at some gas stations are jacking up the gas prices to take advantage of this.

[Calhoun07]

I just know people who went to the grocery store to buy water. I don't know where they got that idea from.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
That's what I was talking about undercover agents.

Yep, and this is in fact one of the options being talked about.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Clayface


Yep, and this is in fact one of the options being talked about. This whole thing could have been diffrent if a undercover agent train in to handle stuff like that was on those flights. Even if they did pop the pilot the agent could full them full of lead and dith the place in the water.

[Jowy Blight]

Enterprising crooks at some gas stations are jacking up the gas prices to take advantage of this.

Jeez......That's really messed up. Looks like we wont be doing to much in school tomorrow, except talk about all of this.

[NewMaxFranklin]

Sad news to start:

I work at a grocery store in Hollywood and my boss had the water prices jacked sky-high because of the earthquake two days ago. All the warter was maked up about twenty percent to cash in on the quake hysteria. We sold TONS of water today. Apparently my boss(the Manager) has a reputation for doing this sort of thing. Makes me SICK thinking about it.

It's been a bizarre week. Experienced my first quake, albeit a small one and called my mother in Hawaii. Two days later, the US is under attack. Unbelievable.

I didn't see any of the coverage (no tv) and the mood at the store (staff and customers) was supprisingly light, with only passing mentions of the dissaster, as if it were just a topic for small-talk.

I must admitt; I was not impacted by the tragedy with any stunning effect. I'm usually a very emotional person. But, I was and still am relatively unmoved by the tragedy. I can't understand why.

I know I'm not one for feeling helpless. And I don't know anyone in D.C. or N.Y. (never been there and I don't read the poster profiles) But still, I would expect to feel... MORE.

It seems as if the events of the last few days have been prepairing me for this disater. There was the quake, as I had mentioned, which freaked me a bit and got me thinking about the unexpected nature of life. Then, There was the topic on the board, about swearing on tv being a sign of the eroding moral standards in the US. A topic that made me think the American people are a soft bunch of whiners, who take their freedome for granted I stated as much in my post there.) Last night, I recorded come of my ideas for a movie featuring an intergalactic war, In which hostile aliens wage war against an allied system of planets, feeling that weak leadership left them ripe for attack. Last night I dreamt of violence and chaos. Then, today this happens.

I don't intend to make light of the tragedy. I'm just giving my perspective. Forgive me if I offend. I can have difficulty censoring myself.

Best wishes to all those who have been more greatly affected than myself. Though I do not share your grief/ sadness/ anger, I sympatise.

It is my belief that everything happens for a reason. That, every event has a purpose. Maybe, we (as a society needed a reality-check.)

Again, if I offended anyone, I'm Sorry. These are simply my thoughts. To post them may be selfish, in this time of tragedy. But, my intent is not to distract from this event. I, like you, need deal with this.

[nerdgirl]

Hi everyone!

Wow! What a terrible day! I am so glad that many of the NY and DC board members are alright. My thoughts are with the thousands who were killed, the thousands more who were injured, and their families. September 11, 2001 will be another day that will live in infamy. I know I'll never forget this day!

I was in my bedroom watching TV when I heard a loud radio outside spreading the bad news. I turned my TV off, went downstairs, and watched the news on the other one. Most TV stations and all radio stations in my area pre-empted their programming for the news. That is all my family watched all day.

Lancaster County, PA is on the other side of the state as the deadly crash in Somerset County, PA. It is also half-way between NY and DC. We also happen to live with 10 miles (16 km) of two nuclear power plants, one being the infamous Three Mile Island (TMI). Security is tightened at both right now. Plus, my mom used to live in DC, so this is hitting close to home. Plus, my mom's best friend's cousin is a nurse down at the Pentagon, and as of now, she is still unaccounted for. This is scary stuff indeed!

Later today, my mom and I, along with my sister and her fiance, will give blood. We will do whatever is necessary to help our fellow Americans. We're going to show those terrorists what Americans are made of! We won't let them get us down! I hope this is the last of the attacks, but I fear it is not! :(

As for the hiked gas and water prices, I just wish people would stop taking advantage of tragedies to feed their greed. People should be helping, not hurting one another! I hope comon sense and a sense of humanity prevails at the end!

Also, I want to thank all of those from other nations for your support through this! You are truly great! Thank you!

Have a thoughtful day!

nerdgirl :(

[Psycho Fox]

Well at lest in light of all this we know the terrorists on the planes or in hell right now since even if there is a Valhalla or God of War they only take warriors that die with honour which these guys Definitely didn't do.

And of course most if not all of those innocent people who died are probably in a better place.

[The Mad Hatter]

Here we are: day two.

I don't know about you all, but reading the newspapers today and getting further details hit me almost as hard as the attacks themselves. Maybe it was because I didn't get much national information after 10 a.m., as I had to work hard to cover how this was affecting local people... but I have a feeling we'll be in for further shocks to the system over the weeks as we learn just how bad this is. I fear to hear the final death toll...

One of the articles I wrote, actually, was on the gas fears. There were huge lines at every station in town, as people took off from work just to sit in line. Some people even had 3/4 of a tank left. I got all sorts of reasons why they were there... they had heard gas prices had risen to $4 in nearby towns, they heard Arkansas wasn't allowing hazardous materials to cross state borders, they heard that oil supplies were being diverted to the military... all of which was completely untrue. There were even fistfights at some stations.

I think the gas rush was a combination of self-preservation instincts kicking in and overwhelming logic. Some people just couldn't sit still during all this... they just had to do something, ANYTHING. Still, I'm heartened that there were also huge lines for people donating blood.

It's going to be a long week...

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I love the media. The most popular footage of the day was the zoom-in shot of a bunch of Palestinians dancing in the streets, maybe 20 or 30.

Another piece of footage showed about the same scene, but farther away and the 20 or 30 people dancing around while about 50 or more were just going about their business. Some Palestinans were just gawking at the celebrators.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

Okay, I take back my nasty comments on Palistine. Not all of them seem to hate us.

Idiots are they who gouge gas prices. Here we are trying to help victims and they are trying to profiteer. It's STUPID! I say smack any gas worker who does this if you see 'em. Also, dumb question...but why is everyone stocking up on gas? Most people don't need it; only people stranded by cancelled flights do...

Ah, day two. Since most people are working here in America, it shows we will not lose our resolve and go cry and all. We mst show we are strong, and this is a good way to prove it.

I can't give blood, thebank says, because I'm too young....:( :(. I wish I could do more than pray right now...

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
Idiots are they who gouge gas prices. Here we are trying to help victims and they are trying to profiteer. It's STUPID! I say smack any gas worker who does this if you see 'em. Also, dumb question...but why is everyone stocking up on gas? Most people don't need it; only people stranded by cancelled flights do...Your are right even if there is another disaster we don't need the fule the goverment does. I did get a jug of Kerosene since I was out of it and it is useful if the power goes out.

[Failure]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
but why is everyone stocking up on gas? Most people don't need it; only people stranded by cancelled flights do...


It's probably because people think this will affect our relations witht the OPEC countries, and either gas prices are going to skyrocket or gas will become scarce. I don't think we have to worry much about gas though. However, shame on those people who are profiting on the fears of people.

[Failure]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
Okay, I take back my nasty comments on Palistine. Not all of them seem to hate us.


Remember back in like 5th grade, you'd always have those 3 jerks that would cost the whole class of 35 their recesses? ;) They may not all like us, heck most of them probably hate us, but they have the right to. Hey, most of us probably didnt like Russians back during the cold war (that was a little before my time though). Let's not let a few idiots ruin our image of a whole group of people.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

The idea is to judge people as individuals, not as a group or nationality. Like Blair said, this is not a war between the nation of America and terrorism. This a war between the free world and terrorism.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
The idea is to judge people as individuals, not as a group or nationality. Like Blair said, this is not a war between the nation of America and terrorism. This a war between the free world and terrorism. I pefer good (US) vs pure evil (them).

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Are gas prices going up now?

Well, not in upstate New York, that's for sure. Gas was $1.41 on Monday night, and last night it was . . . $1.41.

Sounds like a temporary hysteria out in the mid-west. If it makes you feel any better, think of the (surely temporary) run up in prices as a tax on gullibility. :rolleyes:

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
I hear ya, but if the mod is gona go after them they can punish them so much better. They can get em raped, tortured and die slowly then their body parts sold off.

"The mod"?! :eek:

Have DG, Inque, Nightwing and I just been deputized to go after these guys? And as for the "rape and torture" bit, what kind of power do you think we get to exercise around here, anyway? :D

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


"The mod"?! :eek:

Have DG, Inque, Nightwing and I just been deputized to go after these guys? And as for the "rape and torture" bit, what kind of power do you think we get to exercise around here, anyway? :D Opps Mob... My bad.. But still :D

[optimal321]

I feel kinda bad going back to how things were yesterday. Like i'm being selfish by worrying about my problems again. But i guess in a way it's good that i'm getting back to normal life.

[Vin]

Thanks everyone for their kind words about my uncles. One of them is supposedbly okay, however, my other uncle is on the missing firefighters list. Now, I don't want to be telling my whole personal life because you guys probably don't want to hear that, but I just need to vent. My uncle, John Rogan, who is missing helped out my mother alot when my parents seperated. He's a great man who was a police officer when he was only a young man and then later became a fire fighter. A few years back, I think in 1997 or 1998, he dove into the East River and saved a woman who tried to commit suicide. The story aired on local NY tv and radio and Uncle Mat was honored by Mayor Guiliani (sp.), however, he didn't want to take any credit and wouldn't talk when being interviewed by the press. That's the type of person he is. My grandmother has his photo framed with him and the Mayor and another firefighter. He means a great deal to me and has three young children. I pray that he is okay.

[optimal321]

You describe your uncle very proudly. He sounds like a good man. The kind we need more of. And don't worry about feeling bad about sharing your personal life, (i've been there) we do our best to council you and make you feel better. It feels good to vent.

And i really do pray that he turns up okay.

[Failure]

Originally posted by Vince
Thanks everyone for their kind words about my uncles. One of them is supposedbly okay, however, my other uncle is on the missing firefighters list. Now, I don't want to be telling my whole personal life because you guys probably don't want to hear that, but I just need to vent. My uncle, John Rogan, who is missing helped out my mother alot when my parents seperated. He's a great man who was a police officer when he was only a young man and then later became a fire fighter. A few years back, I think in 1997 or 1998, he dove into the Hudson River and saved a woman who tried to commit suicide. The story aired on local NY tv and radio and Uncle Mat was honored by Mayor Guiliani (sp.), however, he didn't want to take any credit and wouldn't talk when being interviewed by the press. That's the type of person he is. My grandmother has his photo framed with him and the Mayor and another firefighter. He means a great deal to me and has three young children. I pray that he is okay.

I dont think I have any words that could assuage how you're feeling. I know how you must feel, I had an uncle a few years ago that went missing, although he wasn't a firefighter. I know how restless it is not knowing anything. It's an emotional rollercoaster. It's a terrible feeling.

Your uncle sounds like he is a great man. As difficult as it is, I hope you try to remain optimistic as you can, and try to get your family members to remain as optimistic as they can. I know it probably sounds stupid, and it's difficult to do, but I do believe that positive thoughts do make a difference. I'll pray for your uncle. I really hope he is ok. I hope he is. I'm optimistic...

[Trent Lane]

We're praying for your family, Vince. I hope everything turns out alright...

[Maxie Zeus]

The thoughts of those who don't pray, and the prayers of those that do, are going out to you and your family.

For what your uncle did in his private life, and what he did in his public one, only one word can apply: "Hero."

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by flhero311
We're praying for your family, Vince. I hope everything turns out alright... Ditto

[Vin]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus
The thoughts of those who don't pray, and the prayers of those that do, are going out to you and your family.

For what your uncle did in his private life, and what he did in his public one, only one word can apply: "Hero."

Thank you all. I appreciate the kind words. My cousin Matthew (named after his father) is over at my house, and It's hard seeing my cousin, who's just turned 10 (and who has a twin sister) wondering why his father hasn't called him yet. He knows what happened, but not the extent of what happened to my uncle. We've learned that my uncle went into the building to rescue some people, when it collapsed. That's all we know is he was in there. I'm trying to be optimistic, but it is very hard. He's so dear to my heart...

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


Well, not in upstate New York, that's for sure. Gas was $1.41 on Monday night, and last night it was . . . $1.41.

Sounds like a temporary hysteria out in the mid-west. If it makes you feel any better, think of the (surely temporary) run up in prices as a tax on gullibility. :rolleyes:

Ain't that the truth. The same sort of thing happened here, with rumors flying that gas prices would go as high as $4, $5 a gallon. Of course they didn't - a quick glance up at the huge signs that are in front of the gas stations would have confirmed that in most cases. Shame on those people who tried to profit from a tragedy!

[Singin' Stray Cat]

If your uncle means a great deal to you and your family, then that definitely means a great deal to us too. I'll pray that he's okay....

[TuffyCatt]

My prayers go out to you and your family Vince. I really hope that your uncle is ok. He sounds like he is a very brave and wonderful person. I continue to keep everyone in my prayers...

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

I will pray for your uncle, Vince. He was a good man to risk his life for others...

Problem: Once we catch the perpretatior, will we torture him? Or kill him instantly? If we torture him, we are no better than him. Yet if he dies, he gets off too easy...what do we do?
Sorry, playing Devil's Advocate...

NEWS: If Palestine was happy, Isreal was not-many Isrealis feel like this happened to THEIR country. One said that America was suppose to be the "Disneyland" of the world, where nothing could/SHOULD not go wrong...another said Americans will no longer be happy and be cynical and bitter like Isreal, a pity. Many, though, think we now understand Isreal better because we now went through what they 'usually' go through...

....sorry for lack of news, may not get to post much right now...and I heard of a place on the radio said gas WAS 5 bucks a gallon! :eek:

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
I will pray for your uncle, Vince. He was a good man to risk his life for others...

Problem: Once we catch the perpretatior, will we torture him? Or kill him instantly? If we torture him, we are no better than him. Yet if he dies, he gets off too easy...what do we do?
Sorry, playing Devil's Advocate...



It doesn't matter what we do. When we catch them, any punishment is bound to upset someone. The punishment must work psychologically. It has to somehow prove something politically and socially. Evidently, execution does not prove much of anything, nor is it sufficient justice. No, it must be some psychological punishment that shakes terrorist beliefs to their very foundation. They have to feel futile, like their actions haven't proved anything. Their punishment will have to be chosen carefully to send a message to future terrorists.

That's my take.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***
UN Troops in Afghanistan airlifted out. Canadain Armfoces said that there is no longer any safe zones there.

[Vin]

I dug up an article posted about my uncle, Matthew Rogan and two other brave firefighters. They jumped into the East River, not the the Hudson or whatever I said.

This was originally written in the New York Dail News on November 12, 1997, as well as other New York newspapers:


3 Heroes Bravely Face TV Cameras
By FRANK LOMBARDI
Daily News Staff Writer


Jumping into the frigid East River to rescue an unconscious woman was fairly routine stuff for three firefighters yesterday. The hard part was later, when Mayor Giuliani came to congratulate them.
After describing the rescue to five television crews and other reporters, the mayor asked Firefighters Matthew Rogan and James Kelly to say a few words.

The faces of the burly men blanched, and they shrank away from the mikes in horror, drawing laughs from other firefighters from Ladder 11 and Engine 28 in the East Village.

After more urging, Lt. Carlos Gonzales, 42, reluctantly described how he and his men were returning from a rubbish fire about 11 a.m. when they received a call that a woman was in the water south of the Williamsburg Bridge on the lower East Side.

Rogan, 33, and Kelly, 36, lowered themselves into the river with a ladder. Gonzales followed as the two firefighters — dressed in cumbersome "bunker gear"— swam 30 to 40 feet to the woman and rescued her.

An Emergency Medical Service team treated her at the scene and took her to Bellevue Hospital. The woman's condition later was described as serious. Her identity was not released.

"It appears that she's going to survive," Giuliani said. "Without their getting there as quickly as they did, going into the water, putting their own lives at risk . . . [she] would not have had a chance."

The event over, the media-shy Rogan drew a chuckle from the mayor by whispering, "That was harder than the rescue."

Source: NY Daily News (http://nydailynews.com/archive/97_11/111297/news/39021.htm)
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My hearts go out to all the victims and their families. It's sad, but for me, I woud have cared if people have gotten hurt in this, but withmy uncle involved, it never really hits you how much just one person who died or is missing means to so many people. My house has been overloaded with phone calls. There is still hope that he is alive and I pray to God that he is.

God Bless You All!

[Joe Tully]

*NEWS*

Looks like the jerks have names

We have identified several of the hijackers.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/investigation.terrorism/

[Kylewayne]

I hope they find your uncle Vince. I will say a prayer for him tonight.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Oof. My scenarios are flying out the window at a rapid pace.

[James Harvey]

I hope your uncle comes out of this, Vince. I can't think of anything worse than losing a loved one in such a horrific event as this. The news is going to be critical for the next little while, and I'm hoping these guys are found.

[sun]

Originally posted by Vince
Thanks everyone for their kind words about my uncles. One of them is supposedbly okay, however, my other uncle is on the missing firefighters list. Now, I don't want to be telling my whole personal life because you guys probably don't want to hear that, but I just need to vent. My uncle, John Rogan, who is missing helped out my mother alot when my parents seperated. He's a great man who was a police officer when he was only a young man and then later became a fire fighter. A few years back, I think in 1997 or 1998, he dove into the East River and saved a woman who tried to commit suicide. The story aired on local NY tv and radio and Uncle Mat was honored by Mayor Guiliani (sp.), however, he didn't want to take any credit and wouldn't talk when being interviewed by the press. That's the type of person he is. My grandmother has his photo framed with him and the Mayor and another firefighter. He means a great deal to me and has three young children. I pray that he is okay.

My prayers and all hopes are with you too.old toon guy

[DR. BELCH]

...what drives these people. I suppose it takes being born into and steeped in hate all one's life to make one willing and able to commit such an atrocity. I recall hearing one radio commentator talking about how these kamikaze pilots are fed hate for months/years until they are literally brainwashed zombies. The planning and funding that goes into an effort like this is monstrously huge and exensive...perhaps that's some small comfort, since it'll keep the copycats from trying such a thing again within weeks.
Still, I'd be leery of some lone nut with a grudge against, say, his college driving a plane into the clocktower or one of the dorms to drive home whatever mad point he's trying to make.
It makes one wonder about whether something we say or write could inspire something so monstrous. Suppose you were a writer whose works were discovered in the room of one of these terrorists? Would you feel personally responsible for unwittingly inspiring him to kill millions? Worse, could you be prosecuted?

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***
RCMP officers sent to NY to help identify bodies.

More troops and fire fighters from Canada expected to arrive in NY

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***

2 Canadain Navel ships one a medical other a distoryer will depart for NY

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

It's good to have Canada helping us out....it's very appreciated by all the Americans for all you Canadians out there...

Your uncle's a hero, Vince. Be proud, and bless him and you too.

As for the punishment, what I WANT to do is unpublishable, even though we've been allowed to say some nasty things so far. But psycholoical punishmen sounds good...

NEWS: Colin Powell said they were barking up "every tree" when said asked if we are barking up the wrong tree. Makes you wonder, since many consider this in the same league as in "...we will punish those who HARBOUR these people..." said by Bush.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
It's good to have Canada helping us out....it's very appreciated by all the Americans for all you Canadians out there...Hey this is an attack on freedom its self.



NEWS: Colin Powell said they were barking up "every tree" when said asked if we are barking up the wrong tree. Makes you wonder, since many consider this in the same league as in "...we will punish those who HARBOUR these people..." said by Bush. Well Canadian politics have gone a bit hay wire. All the support US got from us is unoffical deparments just helped without getting permission from the PM. Our Offical opposition seems more on the ball and accusing our PM of not being with it. Infact our PM is so not with it he said there is no reason to looking into immigration policy

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***
Canada sends lumber to NY to help give some of the building some Stability.

[Maxie Zeus]

Too often we Americans don't think about our northern relations (except when they export a cold air mass or two ;)); this just reminds us that they are some of the kindest and most decent people on the planet.

[Psycho Fox]

***Update***
2 Terriorst the same terrorist of the WTC are in custody in the US (sorry they did say where but I didn't really hear that part well) Experts say there were planing on hijacking yet another plane. one of the ones taking standed people back.

[Joe Tully]

Thanks a lot for all of the updates, Psycho Fox. You're better than CNN. :D

[Psycho Fox]

Correction of the last post.

9 men 1 women. It is on ABC so if you want details watch it they will air it again evenually.

[Joe Tully]

I'm going to post this in the hopes that it'll raise some peoples' spirits, but it might have the reverse effect.

The people on the Pennsylvania crash fought back against the hijackers.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/plane.phone.call/

Those were some brave people.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
I'm going to post this in the hopes that it'll raise some peoples' spirits, but it might have the reverse effect.

The people on the Pennsylvania crash fought back against the hijackers.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/plane.phone.call/

Those were some brave people. Yes very... There were alot of heros that day.

[sun]

There will be more in the days ahead. no matter what direction all of this takes.

[Psycho Fox]

Vancouver OK

Sounds of explosiong rang through some parts of Vancouver. I got a call from my family there expressing their fear. Well Everyone there is ok seems that Canadain Navy was running drills to prepair for a possible invasion in the upcomming weeks and they apologized for doing it so close to the city and moved training much further out.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

NEWS: Russia will definantly give military support now.

Guys...with all the anger now brewing, for the first time I'm finally
admit I'm scared. And I'll be selfish and say this...but I admit I coulda been in the WTC by the time the accident happened....but my family changed our plans so we'd go to Hawaii next summer instead...I'm glad I was lucky...

[Kal-el]

In times like this, we all need to be Men and Women of steel.

[Maxie Zeus]

The consensus behind the scenes is that we want to start nudging things back to normal. We're going to start by unsticking some of these "Important" threads. Discussion can continue. We're just not going to lodge them at the top.