Should we have segragation in schools?

[Catlover]

First of all I would like to say that I'm not raicest. I have many friends who are not white.

It sure would solve a lot of problembs. You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect.

It would solve some of the prayer problem also. I'll post more of my ideas of what it would be like tomarow. What do you guys think?

[Nightflower]

No.

[batboy2001]

Originally posted by Nightflower
No. Ditto. Don't really need to respond to this.

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by catlover
It sure would solve a lot of problembs. You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect. I don't think we're using the word "solve" correctly here.

-Terminatah

[ZorBrak]

This is a joke right? :confused:

[Patrick Bateman]

Oh sure, and while we're at it, let's kick elderly black women out of their bus seats and burn some crosses. :rolleyes: That's the stupidest thing that this country could possibly do. We preach about equal rights all the time, and to squash those rights ourselves would make us the idiot capitol or the world (not to mention a bunch of racist jerks). I don't see what problems this could possibly solve.

[Jade_GL]

What's the point? In college you're just going to get all mixed up again. Diversity is important. Seperating people wouldn't solve anything. We shouldn't be just learning a version of history, take from your example, that fits with our background. How will white people do that? Is it "white" history? What about the various backgrounds we all have? I am part Irish, part Italian. My relatives came through Ellis Island and ports in Massachusetts, not to mention my family that have ties to Canada. Do I learn Canada's history? Or history from and Irish perspective? How could we ever break up what we teach, it would just instill stereotypes and breed false ideas.

While seperation of boys and girls has some facts behind it, like girls being able to voice answers easier, according to annectdotal evidence, I doubt it helps. People are social animals and need to interact with the opposite sex, and other races. If we start seperating people into groups, we're just taking a hundred steps backward.

So no, it's a horrible idea. I don't think that after everything people have strived for during suffrage, the civil rights movement and beyond that this would be a good idea. In fact, I think it's a shame it's even being mentioned. Sorry for being so frank, but that's just what I feel right now.

[Jedigreedo]

Originally posted by catlover
It sure would solve a lot of problembs. You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect.

So what if someone else wanted to learn about the history of other cultures, but weren't allowed because they were a different race?


Originally posted by catlover
It would solve some of the prayer problem also. I'll post more of my ideas of what it would be like tomarow. What do you guys think?

How would it solve that? Just because someone is a specific race doesn't mean they're all a specific religion.

[BlueAngelGal]

Originally posted by catlover
You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect.


Isn't there some value in knowing about other cultures, though, knowing what other races and nations have been through? I think there is.

[TimTwoFace]

The only reason a class should be segragated is based on either education level (ie, the "enriched" class, the "normal" class, and the "learning disability" class), language, and possibly gender (though I far prefer co-ed).

Segregating classes based on race makes no sense in society as far as I'm concerned...though if you do have a point to make, feel free. I just can't see any logical reason for doing so.

-Tim

[RogueMartian]

I can't imagine what would cause a person to think that re-segregation would be a good thing. If there's one thing the supreme court should have taught us it's that SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS NOT EQUAL!!!

Whether the religious fundamentalists and simpletons like it or not, we live in a global society. That includes ALL races and ALL religious. Children should learn as much as possible and sitting in a homogenous environment will not do it. What kind of people will we raise if they are only taught their own history or consider people of other races as "different" and most likely "inferior". I'm not talking about just white people either. You will create racism on all sides.

Not to mention think of the money issue. The reason schools were de-segregated and bussing was created was because overall white people had more money than black people. So white tax money went to white schools and black tax money went to black schools. And suffice to say, white schools were better because they had more money. By prohibiting people from getting educated, you are subjugating them. Poor will stay poor, and that will breed even MORE racism and contempt.

This will not solve any race problems. Race problems are created by ignorance and poverty. If you want to end racism, END IGNORANCE AND POVERTY!!

As for religious divisions, that's even worse. We are a society that is trying to teach people that being religious is fine, but religion is a private thing. Why do kids need to pray in school? How on earth will that help them do better in algebra? I can hear the complaints now, "but teacher I prayed every day, why is my grade so low?" It is the PARENTS job to teach religious values, NOT the schools. If parents want their kids to pray in school, then there are private religious schools they can send their kids to.

Not to mention the teachers sides. What if you divide men and women. If the majority of teachers are female, who will teach the men? If the majority of teachers are methodists who will teach the catholics, the muslims, the buddhists, the hindus, the jews? Not only will racism be bred on the education side, but on the hiring side now. If I'm a nobel award winning doctorate of physics I can only teach in women's schools? Sorry guys, I know you want to know how atoms work, ask the gym teacher or read a book, its in there somewhere.

I am dying of curiosity, Catlover. What on earth made you think that segregation/apartheid was even remotely a good thing?

[Pihlajamaa]

No, however a private institution should not be prevented from doing so if it wishes.

The answer is moot, anyway. It's unconstitutional in all relevant cases.

[Bartak123]

How about all boy schools and all girl schools.

[Pihlajamaa]

Originally posted by Bartak123
How about all boy schools and all girl schools.

I would not be opposed to them as such, but I am not sure about the constitutionality. I know that there have at least been attempts to do this in public schools, but I forgot where and whether or not they were able to pull it off.

[BlueAngelGal]

Originally posted by Pihlajamaa
I would not be opposed to them as such, but I am not sure about the constitutionality. I know that there have at least been attempts to do this in public schools, but I forgot where and whether or not they were able to pull it off.

As far as I know, you can't discriminate on the basis of sex and still get federal funding, which is why many segregated colleges have gone co-ed in recent years. The only women's or men's colleges are private ones that don't get any government money -- there are some benefits to going to one of these schools, but funding one of these schools with taxpayer money is unconstitutional.

[James]

Oh good lord no.

The gender seperation issue is bad enough - and having come from a boys school, I'm not entirely sure if that helped or not. But racial seperation, yuk, what a step back that would be for everyone.

[Outlander00]

Not a good thing...

It's bad enough kids segregate themselves in schools by forming little clicks based on what region of the town they are from, economic status, or even race. To enforce it in schools would be telling them its okay to be doing these things. Plus, eventually, you would have one class or race of students being favored over the other (or have the apperance of it). Anything like segregation would be counter productive in their education, not to mention the progression of man.

[jeffrey 228]

Originally posted by catlover
First of all I would like to say that I'm not raicest. I have many friends who are not white.

It sure would solve a lot of problembs. You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect.

It would solve some of the prayer problem also. I'll post more of my ideas of what it would be like tomarow. What do you guys think?

I'd have to say no to that, there has been quite a bit of troble when it comes to this issue and it is not so pretty.

[Lonestarr]

Maybe to separate the ignorant and the apathetic from the people who really want to learn something, but other than that, are you nuts?!

(I'm African-American, BTW.)

[ButteredToast]

Instead of resegregating schools, how about teaching the students how to WORK with and APPRECIATE your fellow man? Ideally, race, sex, and the amount of cashola in your bank account wouldn't matter. We're all Homo sapiens... some are a little darker or lighter than others... it shouldn't matter, but sadly it does to those who are superficial and shallow.

Unfortunately, this is a very flawed world with very flawed values. The only thing resegregation would do is make things worse... a LOT worse.

[Bartak123]

I know in Australia there are publicly funded all boys and all girls schools. Also aren't female and male minds wired differently, so shouldn't we teach in different methods to each type of brain to get peak performance. I think there have also been studies where females have performed better in technology related courses when males were not in the class or something. Also, boys are doing worse and worse in school as time goes on (more drop-outs etc). Maybe teaching from a purely male perspective will stop this slide.

[RogueMartian]

I understand the arguments for segregation by gender. Girls are too distracting for boys, boys and girls learn different, etc. But lets face it. Men and Women live together on this planet. They must learn to work together, hang out together, and appreciate each other as people. I believe that separating boys and girls at a young age really hinders those goals. I mean, if a child goes to an all girl or all boy school (where you spend 7+ hours a day) how will that help boys and girls learn to work together? If you ask me, in the end, its no different than racial or religious segregation.

As for the reason guys are dropping out more, going to college less, etc. That's a problem in the U.S. too. In almost every college in the U.S. Women greatly outnumber men. 2:1 ratio in some rare cases. I'm not sure why in Australia, but I think this is the result of our overly PC society in the U.S. Males, especially white males, are being taught that their kind are responsible for all the evils of the world. Moreover, since women are being told to be superwomen (being mothers and having a career) Heart disease is going up among women and since men have nothing to take responsibility for anymore, that is being reflected as well.

[Bartak123]

Originally posted by RogueMartian
I understand the arguments for segregation by gender. Girls are too distracting for boys, boys and girls learn different, etc. But lets face it. Men and Women live together on this planet. They must learn to work together, hang out together, and appreciate each other as people. I believe that separating boys and girls at a young age really hinders those goals. I mean, if a child goes to an all girl or all boy school (where you spend 7+ hours a day) how will that help boys and girls learn to work together? If you ask me, in the end, its no different than racial or religious segregation.

As for the reason guys are dropping out more, going to college less, etc. That's a problem in the U.S. too. In almost every college in the U.S. Women greatly outnumber men. 2:1 ratio in some rare cases. I'm not sure why in Australia, but I think this is the result of our overly PC society in the U.S. Males, especially white males, are being taught that their kind are responsible for all the evils of the world. Moreover, since women are being told to be superwomen (being mothers and having a career) Heart disease is going up among women and since men have nothing to take responsibility for anymore, that is being reflected as well.

Not really, its not the same as relgious/racial segregation. Females and males do not think in the same way. I think getting peak performance is more important. I know my cousins who go to an all boys school, and they're about ten times more comfortable around women than me.

I do agree to an extent. I believe masculine way of thinking is been taught as evil and has led to so much bad in the world. Essientially I think males are being forced to be more feminine (mentally) and this disrupts with our nature. Some males adapt some males dont.

[Pihlajamaa]

I understand the arguments for segregation by gender. Girls are too distracting for boys, boys and girls learn different, etc. But lets face it. Men and Women live together on this planet. They must learn to work together, hang out together, and appreciate each other as people. I believe that separating boys and girls at a young age really hinders those goals. I mean, if a child goes to an all girl or all boy school (where you spend 7+ hours a day) how will that help boys and girls learn to work together? If you ask me, in the end, its no different than racial or religious segregation.

Methinks you don't understand the point of primary education. You're not supposed to be taught how to get along with the opposite sex. You're supposed to learn skills and information that will help you find a job. You can't do that as well with such distractions.

If you want kids to learn how to socialize with the opposite sex, let them go to birthday parties, parks, etc.

[ccffan01]

We might as well go parading around in bed sheets.

[Captain Yurika]

Originally posted by Pihlajamaa
If you want kids to learn how to socialize with the opposite sex, let them go to birthday parties, parks, etc. [/B]

As for this, I disagree. My entire education was boys and girls schools and I wouldn't want it any other way or for my kids if I ever have any. Rogue has a point. I think from elementary school on it's good for both genders to interact in school and learn how to get along. I don't see how separating would help.

As for racial, I don't think segregation is good at all. If anything I think we need more diversity. We should all learn white, black, asian, indian etc history so we can understand other cultures. Just my opinion...

[Bartak123]

Originally posted by Captain Yurika
As for this, I disagree. My entire education was boys and girls schools and I wouldn't want it any other way or for my kids if I ever have any. Rogue has a point. I think from elementary school on it's good for both genders to interact in school and learn how to get along. I don't see how separating would help.

As for racial, I don't think segregation is good at all. If anything I think we need more diversity. We should all learn white, black, asian, indian etc history so we can understand other cultures. Just my opinion...

Then dance around under a rainbow...sorry I just had to say that.
School is not about socializing. Boys who go to all boys school do not become paranoid, anti-social types who are scared of females.

Making school about socializing is an utter travesity. It should be a competitive/indiviudalistic environment. The best survive and the rest get cut down. Teacher power should be limited and suck ups should be punished. (I really really really hated suck ups).

Anyways back on topic. Segragration when it comes to the sexes can be good as stated previously. Males can learn to be social outside of school as stated previously by Pihlajamaa.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

A big part of school is socialization. You learn how to get along with different types of people and that includes the opposite sex. I know school is about education but they also load us down with tons of useless crap that we absolutely don't need. I know I'm not the only person that had to learn square dancing in gym class. Or how about when they force you to take Art or Music when you have no interest in either. Do I even have to get into electives ?Oh and what about sex ed ? Does that really get you ready to find a job ?

Point is while school is mainly about education, your deluding yourself if you think that, that's the only point of it.

People make decisions as to what they focus on. If those people can't know when to focus on girls and when to focus on class that's there problem. I do well in all my college level courses(in the top percent of these classes) and the majority of the students in those courses are girls. (In my AP Gov & Pol class there are 4 boys and 20 girls.)


Anyways back on topic. Segragration when it comes to the sexes can be good as stated previously. Males can learn to be social outside of school as stated previously by Pihlajamaa.

True males can learn to socialize outside of school but almost any person who has been an all male school and then later to a school with both sexes will tell you that things are much different. You learn different things in both places. I don't think that segregated schools in terms of sexes is a bad thing but I don't think it's sufficient in order to get both males and females ready to deal with the real world.

I mean have you ever heard of a job where things are segregated (I haven't)? Do you think that company output would be higher if men and women didn't work together ?

Oh as for race. That's a big NO. It's just as unrealistic as segregation by sex. You have to deal with different types of people on a daily bassis in different enviorments. Best to get suited to it now.

[DJ Raza]

First of all, what kind of segregation are you talking about?

First it seemed like racial segregation, then religious, so what next?

So bascially (if you keep going), everyone with different skin color, ethnic background, religious belief and gender should get their own class?

Well then... why doesn't everyone just get private teachers and be taught at home then?

Your idea is simply illogical in so many ways its ridiclous. It also would probably create a social complex with most people. Not to mention all the amounts of money this would cost.


It sure would solve a lot of problembs. You could teach asian history in the asian class, black history in the black class, ect.

What problems would it solve?

And even if it did (I highly doubt it would) solve some problems, don't you think it would be out-weighed by worse problems being caused because of segregation?

Plus, the idea is ludicrous. You're suggesting that each race gets its own class. That's nearly impossible. For example, schools in Florida (amonst other places) have VERY limited school funding. I mean, they can't afford text books for co-ed, intergrated, schools. They could never afford segregated schools and classes.


It would solve some of the prayer problem also. I'll post more of my ideas of what it would be like tomarow. What do you guys think?

If people want to pray, they can pray at home or privately. School is not a place for praying. Its a place for education. Probably the only prayer in school that I would find acceptable (in my opinion) is for Islamic students. Part of their religion is praying five times a day, and I think they should be allowed to be excused from class to go pray if they want to. Of course they don't have to, but I think they should be given the option. Other than that, unless a religion specifically mentions a definite time to pray, I don't think prayer in school is necessary.

[Barb Gordon]

We all have to be around everyone in the real world. People of different sex, color, religion, intelligence, age. There's absolutely no point in seperating people based on sex, color, religion or age. The real world isn't seperated into seperate sections, we all have to live in it together.

At the request of catlover, who didn't intend for this to be such a touchy thread, I am closing this thread. Also, as I've already seen, most people are more then ready to jump on with responses along the lines of "hello, are you crazy?!". Hey, I feel the same way, and I also find this subject to be just extremally too volatile. Thread closed.

~Barb