In case anyone was wondering... [Archive]

Jon Cooke

09-07-2001, 07:34 PM

If anyone is curious about where Matthew has been lately, he has been having computer problems. Hopefully he will be back online soon, here is part of an e-mail I got from him on 9/4:

Just to let you know in case you were wondering, I haven't left the Termite Terrace board suddenly, I'm just experiencing technical difficulties with my computer. I can't use my web browser because it causes an error in "Wininet.dll", a Windows system program that operates Internet Explorer. I showed the repair shop the message and they think it could be a
Windows-specific virus that just targets that program, and nobody knows where it comes from. I'm going to have it fixed tomorrow or Thursday, so
I'll return by the end of the week. Just let people know, could you please?

-Jon

Joe Tully

09-07-2001, 08:28 PM

That's too bad. I wonder if he's tried using a different browser like Netscape? Maybe it doesn't need that program that causes the error. Just a thought, I don't really know that much about browsers or anything. And it could be hard for Matthew to get Netscape on his computer if he doesn't already have it, now that he's without internet access. I hope he solves the problem soon.

While we're on the subject of missing persons, where's happyheathen? He's been gone for a while.

Jack

09-07-2001, 08:58 PM

Happyheathen got banned because of something at another board.

Jack:(

Thad Komorowski

09-07-2001, 09:20 PM

What did he do? Is he banned for good? Man, that's too bad, since he's made copies of the BB Censored 12 for me, and a lot of other people. :(

-Thad:(

Jon Cooke

09-07-2001, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
What did he do? Is he banned for good? Man, that's too bad, since he's made copies of the BB Censored 12 for me, and a lot of other people. :(

To make a long story short, he made some comments on one of the World's Finest boards that didn't go over very well (to say the least). He is now banned from the Toon Zone Forums for good. I was quite surprised when I heard the news, too.

Another TTTP regular also got himself banned recently for some inappropriate comments made on another TZ board... but I don't think anyone will miss him (I think you guys know who I am talking about).

-Jon

PorkyandDaffy

09-07-2001, 09:54 PM

Another TTTP regular also got himself banned recently for some inappropriate comments made on another TZ board... but I don't think anyone will miss him (I think you guys know who I am talking about).

If you're talking about who I think you are, then "Joy!" :D

Thad Komorowski

09-07-2001, 09:55 PM

If it was that GENERAL TOPICS BOARD (which I'll post at from time to time) that he got banned for, I'm not surprised about that. No offense, but I've seen closed threads on that board than ANY other one....:rolleyes:. If these two members are banned, how come their member profiles are still up? Also, what comments did they David exactly say? Man I'm gonna miss his posts. Of all people, WHY him?

-Thad:( or :D

Joe Tully

09-07-2001, 09:56 PM

I was wondering why the board wasn't cluttered with his posts the last couple of days.

Sogturtle

09-07-2001, 10:00 PM

Okay Y'all~

I'd been meaning to ask all week about the wheareabouts of Happyheathen Dave... What on earth could he have said to get himself totally banned??? Was it obscene or a slanderous/libelous sort of thing or a REALLY bad putdown or what, praytell??? (Obviously things WE ALL want to avoid repeating...)

"perspiring minds want to know"!!!

Thad Komorowski

09-07-2001, 10:03 PM

No offense to anyone, but doesn't it seem that Matthew's gone the most out of anyone on the TTTP? It seems every other week he's gone somewhere, or something went wrong. Oh well, hopefully Matthew will be back soon!

-Thad:D

Jack

09-07-2001, 10:05 PM

Yep, it was because of something he said at the Animation and General Topics board. He said something that caused another member to get very very offended. I don't know what he said because the thread this all happened in was "cleaned up."

And yep, you know who (his name rymes with "Devin Door King") was banned.

Also, when a member is banned, their profile stays up. I'm not sure why, but I think it's because sometimes people aren't banned for good (sometimes they get banned for a short period of time as punishment). Their account has to be deleted for it to go away.

Jack:(

Joe Tully

09-07-2001, 10:14 PM

Wow. I remembered that thread when you said that, Jack, and knew that was the one. I even participated in that thread. I never read what Dave had to say, but could kind of tell it might start causing slight problems.

We'll miss ya Dave.:(

At least the forces of good and evil at the board are balanced by the other banning.;)

Sogturtle

09-07-2001, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Jack

And yep, you know who (his name rymes with "Devin Door King") was banned.

Jack:(

WOW!!! and "Devin Door King" got banned TOO!!!. Man this had been some week or week and a half!!!

Now the next question that comes up is... "What in the world will those two guys do, since they absolutely LOVED to post here" (and around)????

Inkspot

09-07-2001, 10:43 PM

Hey Porky, is that from Coy decoy when Daffy was imatating a slave?

Jon Cooke

09-07-2001, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Jack
Also, when a member is banned, their profile stays up. I'm not sure why, but I think it's because sometimes people aren't banned for good (sometimes they get banned for a short period of time as punishment). Their account has to be deleted for it to go away.

I am sure Brian can explain it better than me, but I believe the profiles stay up so that no one else can re-register for the board under that username.

-Jon

grundle

09-08-2001, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Jon Cooke

To make a long story short, he made some comments on one of the World's Finest boards that didn't go over very well (to say the least). He is now banned from the Toon Zone Forums for good. I was quite surprised when I heard the news, too.

But isn't it the same way with certain un-PC cartoons?

Since the people who run this website are so much against cartoon censorship, then isn't it kind of wierd that they would ban someone who said something that one reader thought was "offensive"?

And what effect will this have on the remaining posters? Will everyone now be just a little bit scared that he might be next? How many people will be afraid to open their mouths because of fear that they could be banned next?

Another TTTP regular also got himself banned recently for some inappropriate comments made on another TZ board... but I don't think anyone will miss him (I think you guys know who I am talking about).

I'll miss him.

Sveven was one of the more interesting posters on this message board. It's because of people like him that message boards have spice and personality. Without people like him, the internet would be a much more boring place.

Sigh.

Of course, this is a pirvately owned message board. Free speech means that he who owns the message board is allowed to make whatever rules he wants. And the rules are posted.

I will miss both of them.

Here's an idea: whenever somneone gets banned, how about putting their "offending" post in a special archive where everyone can see it? I'm curious to see what the "offending" posts were, and I'm sure everyone else is, too.

barnyarddawg

09-08-2001, 01:18 AM

I know Dave was prone to making political comments from time to time, and even had a post deleted for bringing up politics. Perhaps that had something to do with it. As for Sveven Dvorking, he was the poster child for ignore list as far as I'm concerned.

Jack

09-08-2001, 02:00 AM

Actually, it started in a thread about the middle finger called "Agincourt and the bird" (just do a search and you'll find it). The thread was edited, though, so the response to hh's post is no longer around.

Also, happyheathen says he never saw the reply to his post that eventually led to him being banned.

As for Sveven, it wasn't one thing that got him banned, it was a whole bunch of things at all the boards he participated in. He got away with quite a bit before he was banned.

Jack:D

Mike

09-08-2001, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by grundle

Since the people who run this website are so much against cartoon censorship, then isn't it kind of wierd that they would ban someone who said something that one reader thought was "offensive"?

Well, I understand what you're saying, but keep in mind that the cartoons that we protest the censorship of are both a) works from another era, and b) works of art that dozens of people toiled over for a long period of time now being carelessly snipped by some TV exec. This is an internet message board, and, more importantly, it's an all-ages message board. As we learned this week, there are a lot of people on this board who are still in grade school, so people have to monitor what they're saying. Now, I don't know what happyheathen originally said (although, like you, I am very curious to see what), but if it had racial slurs in it, or something that might be similarly offensive, I can understand why he was banned. You've got to know your audience, even on the internet.

Sveven was one of the more interesting posters on this message board. It's because of people like him that message boards have spice and personality. Without people like him, the internet would be a much more boring place.

It doesn't sound like your tongue is in your cheek. Why it isn't is beyond me. I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I really don't see how Sveven added "spice" and "personality" and how this board is going to be worse off without him. He was extremely anal. The "Acme Hour" listings had to be done a certain way, and, more importantly, he had to be the first one to list them, or he'd have a fit. One time he just really ripped Jon for no reason at all, and often times it seemed as if he couldn't take a joke at all. Now, in real life he may be a perfectly nice kid, but his internet persona--or at least his Toon Zone persona--leaves much to be desired.

I'm just curious to see what got him banned for good. If insulting Jon and chiding other TTTP posters only got him a week-long suspension, he really must have done something big to get him banned for life.

Mike

Joe Tully

09-08-2001, 02:23 AM

Yeah, Frozen was pretty ticked off. I thought it might have been a slight overreaction at the time, but maybe that's because I'm used to reading Dave's posts and might be more used to his brand of critisism. Dave basically questioned Frozen's ability to reason in Frozen's previous post, but a little harshly if I recall correctly.

I guess we have an opening for "Resident Cynic":rolleyes:

Sveven often posted without thinking, which is clear if you read most of his posts. Other than the episode descriptions, a lot of them pointed out information that was obvious to anyone, or consisted of opinions that lacked any substance or reasoning. I imagine that his inability to judge what was post-worthy and what wasn't was what led to his downfall, and it's what he deserved. He got plenty of warnings, and was aware that his behavior was annoying. At other boards, he would have been quickly labeled as a troll and dismissed.

hippety hopper

09-08-2001, 06:45 AM

I was wondering where ol' Matthew was getting to,lets hope hes back soon.

As for people getting banned for whatever reasons then I trust the Mod's jugdement.

Thad Komorowski

09-08-2001, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by hippety hopper
As for people getting banned for whatever reasons then I trust the Mod's jugdement.

Same here. Sorry if I asked to many questions, I was just curious.

-Thad:D

Pietro

09-08-2001, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
Another TTTP regular also got himself banned recently for some inappropriate comments made on another TZ board... but I don't think anyone will miss him (I think you guys know who I am talking about).

Oh well! So long Sveven, we hardly knew ye!
At least now I have nobody on my "Ignore List."

BTW, I hope Matthew gets his computer up and running. I feel very sorry for him.

-Pietro

Jack

09-08-2001, 10:21 AM

BTW, I hope Matthew gets his computer up and running. I feel very sorry for him.
Yeah, it seems like he's been attacked by lots of viruses lately. I hope things get fixed soon.

Jack:(

Brandon Pierce

09-08-2001, 10:40 AM

What?! Sveven got banned?! I thought you guys were talkin' about that other guy with the long name that started with a "v". Jeez, well I know Sveven was a beet annoying, but exactly did he do? It must have been something really bad.

BourgeoisBuffoon

09-08-2001, 12:52 PM

So Sven had to be the first one to post any TV listings? Wow...
....frankly, cannot say I feel sorry for him. I think I became one of his biggest thorns in his side...and only a "beet" annoying? Geez...(NOTE: As said, he and I had differences, so that's why I speak of him like this...)

...Brandon, I'll P. Message ya on what I think he did to get himself banned.

But Matthew Hunter is one I think I'd miss, and he was pretty nice. Here's hoping he can come back soon! :)

dendawg

09-08-2001, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
No offense to anyone, but doesn't it seem that Matthew's gone the most out of anyone on the TTTP? It seems every other week he's gone somewhere, or something went wrong.!

-Thad:D

Yup, that darned real life just keeps getting in the way.:D :D :D

lislebartman

09-08-2001, 01:28 PM

I for one will not miss Sveven. He was a very bitter person and how anyone can be that way at such a young age (I think he's 17 or 18) is beyond me. I am also curious as to what he posted.

Happyheathen? He never bothered me, but he did use to throw politics into his posts and that's not what this board is about.

Harley

09-08-2001, 01:40 PM

Guys,
It's not about censorship, it's about respect. Always keep the Golden Rule in mind. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you can stick by this rule while on these boards you'll most likely never run into a problem. But if you can't even extend the basic level of respect due to each and every one of the posters on these forums, then it becomes an issue.

If you haven't read the forum rules, then I recommend that you do. Those are the ones the moderators run the boards by.

I will not post the details of the recent bannings on the board. It's a private matter and will remain as such. There's no reason to drag these matters out any longer than we have to. There's no hate towards them, and no reason to throw the gory details up here. We wish the banned users a very happy and fruitful life on the net, just not with Toon Zone.

Just a final note, do keep in mind that every moderator on these forums works very hard to make sure you have a pleasant experience here. So, just let them know you appreciate the jobs they're doing every now and then.

Thanks! Hope everyone has a great weekend!

http://www.toonzone.net/eileen/images/temp/harley-color.gif

Patrick McCart

09-08-2001, 02:05 PM

Ick...viruses and computers just don't mix! I hope Matthew's PC gets well (and him!).

[I removed this part...]

BourgeoisBuffoon

09-08-2001, 02:07 PM

Ah, Harley's right. I'll try to live by those rules...I've kinda ditched them lately myself being in a flame war.
....cool pic! I dunno if a big mallet like that was used to snuff out anyone acting mean...(nervously) I know I'll be nice... ;)

And on a happier note, the mods ARE nice people; I couldn't have gotten my avatar without Maxie Zeus. THANKS TO ALL THE MODS! :) :cool: And nice weekend to you too, Harley!

Garrett

09-08-2001, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
....cool pic! I dunno if a big mallet like that was used to snuff out anyone acting mean...(nervously) I know I'll be nice... ;)

Yeah, that's sort of how I took the pic, too. :D

Speaking as someone who's been, uh....."removed" from a mailing list in the past, it's certainly not the mods who cause difficulties (which there really haven't been any for me)-it's in the users' hands, basically. I'm not too surprised about Sveven, as his anti-80s bias has irked me quite a bit at times. I grew up with those cartoons!

And, switiching to the remastering discussion, if anyone watches Sc-Fi Channel, notice how poor the typically edited scenes look on Star Trek this weekend (seems like they're showing the "full" versions again this weekend). Even Columbia House's prints have this problem. And don't even get me started on what will eventually happen to the Filmation series (which has just started being totally out of current circulation in the past few years). Let's be thankful that Paramount doesn't own any more classic product than they already do.

Garrett
-master of changing the subject-

Jack

09-08-2001, 04:26 PM

Hmmm, that's wierd, why did dendawg's post show up again? I swear the same thing happened yesterday in one of the Disney threads too.

Jack:confused:

dendawg

09-08-2001, 04:29 PM

Sorry, jack. My modem started acting up and I couldn't access Toonzone again for an hour.

Thad Komorowski

09-08-2001, 04:44 PM

If anyone's wondering, Sveven made some nasty comments, calling the moderators and administrators part of "Goon Zone Forums" in this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5950), which is closed due to an argument.

-Thad:D

Garrett

09-08-2001, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
If anyone's wondering, Sveven made some nasty comments, calling the moderators and administrators part of "Goon Zone Forums" in this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5950), which is closed due to an argument.

Yeah, I saw that thread. Ugly, ugly, ugly......I *hate* Pokemon, but I certainly would never get in an argument like that. Interesting that he got banned, even if it was a rude remark, not just to the mods, but all of us.

Garrett

kiddiesunshine

09-08-2001, 06:59 PM

(i wonder what people will say about me when i'm gone...)

kiddiesunshine

09-08-2001, 07:02 PM

just wondering, have i ticked anyone here off? be honest.

Maxie Zeus

09-08-2001, 08:05 PM

I'm the mod who banned happyheathen.

The conduct in question actually took place behind the scenes, which makes public comment doubly inappropriate.

Matters have been straightened out to everyone's satisfaction; happyheathen should be rejoining the boards shortly.

Emmanuel Cruz

09-08-2001, 08:16 PM

I've only been on the board for 3 months but by reading old posts, I knew how Sveven annoyed my fellow TTTP posters. I'm glad he's gone. I remember the thread for the Acme Hour on August 17. He made such a big stink over posting. I'm a year younger than him and I act more mature than he does for crying out loud! All people younger than him acted more mature! He even wrote the F word (obviously he used stars) when I posted on that day. To conclude, this is to Sveven even though he ain't here.

See you in Toledo, you screwball!!

Jack

09-08-2001, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
just wondering, have i ticked anyone here off? be honest.
Not me, and I've never seen anyone complain about you...

Jack:D

Sogturtle

09-08-2001, 08:47 PM

...And makes me wonder if I've offended anybody...:(

BourgeoisBuffoon

09-08-2001, 08:50 PM

No. About the only person I think ever offended ANYBODY was Sven, with possibly Printo as the exception, but he's apologized at least. Everyone here is very friendly and helpful to one another, that's a strength of this board...

...But have I ever offended you guys? I know I may have come close... :(

Sogturtle

09-08-2001, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
No. About the only person I think ever offended ANYBODY was Sven, with possibly Printo as the exception, but he's apologized at least. Everyone here is very friendly and helpful to one another, that's a strength of this board...

...But have I ever offended you guys? I know I may have come close... :(

NOOOO I don't recall ever jumping up and down in offense at you :)
Whereas Sveven got me ALMOST that way once when he grossly insulted me just because he didn't agree with my viewpoint. And HH Dave can be really grating. But you are fine!!!

Jack

09-08-2001, 09:26 PM

None of you guys offended anyone that I know of, and I certainly was never offended by any of you guys who are affraid that you offend. I hope I've never offened anybody either, though.

Jack:D

Joe Tully

09-08-2001, 09:37 PM

I've never been offended or annoyed by anyone other than by the recently TTTP-departed. (Not happyheathen)

We have disagreements pretty frequently, but at least when we do, we do so with (for the most part) respect, some sense of politeness, and reason, as opposed to rudely slamming others' opinions with no reasoning or explanation other than "They're weird!"

happyheathen

09-08-2001, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Sogturtle
... HH Dave can be really grating.

I'll take that as a compliment!

Thanks, Tim

d

Sogturtle

09-09-2001, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by happyheathen

I'll take that as a compliment!

Thanks, Tim

d

Dave~

I did not mean to upset or hurt you, was just expressing a little frustration. At times I'd feel a little bit irritated both for my myself or for others from some of the things you'd written as the self-styled "resident cynic". And whenever I'd read your posts I would do so with a little bit of trepidation, since your stated notion of never apologizing meant you could never backtrack, even if you were wrong. Buuuuut I evidently was alone in being bothered. And as you can tell from all the other posts you are a much-loved guy around here!!

Welcome back to the land of the toons.

happyheathen

09-09-2001, 12:39 AM

no offense taken - we all have opinions, and it's what we disagree on that makes life interesting - I mean. how many times can you say 'I agree' or 'Me too' before it gets REAL old?

enjoy!

dave

Garrett

09-09-2001, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by happyheathen
no offense taken - we all have opinions, and it's what we disagree on that makes life interesting - I mean. how many times can you say 'I agree' or 'Me too' before it gets REAL old?

3,987, based on a nationwide poll of experts. ;)

Garrett

kiddiesunshine

09-09-2001, 11:12 AM

yay! hh is back! i'll bake some cookies!

DR. BELCH

09-09-2001, 05:22 PM

...unless "Mr. X" 's (yes, we bloody well know who he is but I'll be nice and not speak his name here) I.P. number is banned totally from these forums, he could change his M.O., scheme his way back onto the forums, and post under a new handle. Ashamed to say I've done it elsewhere after a banishment, and I've also tried e-mailing my responses to someone and asking them to post them for me saying I'd lost my password (which doesn't work).
And I know I've upset a person or two in the past, but I think folks here are adult enough to forgive...not like at ***** (again, I won't name that forum so as not to embarass them).
To be honest, Mr. X never really bothered me. But who am I to argue with a Greek god or a lass holding a bloody huge mallet? ;)