N. Korea's Kim Jong Il might be a TTTP member...

[Joe Tully]

Well, this is kinda odd. Thought I'd mention it, though it's not really anything for the classic cartoon fans to brag about. I'll just quote the part relevant to this board.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cv=CA01


“All of North Korea is a gulag,” said one senior U.S. official, noting that as many as 2 million people have died of starvation while Kim has amassed the world’s largest collection of Daffy Duck cartoons. “It’s just that these people [in the camps] are treated the worst. No one knows for sure how many people are in the camps, but 200,000 is consistent with our best guess.

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Well, this is kinda odd. Thought I'd mention it, though it's not really anything for the classic cartoon fans to brag about. I'll just quote the part relevant to this board.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cv=CA01

Well Joe...

It just fits really, we have "Daffy" Khadafy :) in Libya (unknown if he really likes cartoons), why not "Looney Tunes"-ding-dong Kim Jong in North Korea :) "Big Daddy" Idi Amin was (as memory serves) also a big fan of classic comedy... Horrible, murderous, evil, psychopathic dictators eat & sleep & go to the bathroom just like everyone else, so the fact that they love the classic cartoons & comedies like normal folks is not surprising... IFFFFFF they start forcing their whole population to dress up like Daffy or Porky and act accordingly then that would be something for us to be ashamed of...

[J Lee]

Given what a hard-line Communist state North Korea is, I figure if the "Dear Leader" really was a member of the TTTP, he'd be posting nasty things all the time about those three Friz Freleng-directed cartoons the Sloane Foundation sponsored... ;)

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by J Lee
Given what a hard-line Communist state North Korea is, I figure if the "Dear Leader" really was a member of the TTTP, he'd be posting nasty things all the time about those three Friz Freleng-directed cartoons the Sloane Foundation sponsored... ;)

Yeah John~

Very true! Now if we start hearing about a certain North Korean starting to buy a lot of stock in a certain company (no names puh-leeze :)), then we'll have it all figured out... A plot to pitch the conservative WB/Sloane Foundation cartoons (oh no!! what's next... the John Sutherland/MGM films???) Orrrrr (horror of horrors) with Steve Case gone, Kim Jong Il wants to move to take over something much more powerful and important than North Korea... namely Time-Warner!!!;) ("The Dear Leader" or... hmmmmm which would be worse...?? :D )

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by rodney
I hope I don't offend anyone here when I say that it's just another way of the US dehumanizing their enemies.

"Oh, Kim Jong thinks cartoons are more important than people, so we'll feel better by slaughtering a bunch of people to prove a point."

Really, North Korea is probably saying similar things about our president. The truth lies probably somewhere in between because there's no such thing as an unbiased media.

Truth be told, in my opinion at least, Kim Jong and Dubya both are inhuman war mongers.

Nooooo Rodney, probably nobody's offended. You are always one of our friends. But we all have to keep in mind that we're blessed with freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, while the poor populace of North Korea (and a fair number of other places) isn't, and hasn't been. I always keep that in mind whenever I'm fulminating about someone or something.

[Matthew Hunter]

Well, he can't have the world's largest collection...'cause I have all but one or two of them. I'd like to see that jackass beat THAT!

But seriously, bad people like cartoons too. Anyway, in response to Rodney, I want to steer clear of political discussions on the board, but I respectfully disagree with the notion that Bush and Kim Jong are both 'inhuman' or 'war mongers'. Both are human, that's obvious...human nature basically supports the idea that people fight. People kill. Started way back, it's explained in the Bible book of Genesis if you go by that as your guide. If not, read a history book sometime :D

Furthermore, Kim Jong has nuclear weapons. He's not supposed to have nuclear weapons. "Dubya" is afraid that he'll aim the nukes at the U.S....and if he does that, there won't BE any more discussions like this, because there won't be anyone to DISCUSS it. Bush also has to deal with a similar problem over in Iraq.

Think of George W. Bush as Bugs Bunny, and Korea and Iraq as, say, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd. Bugs Bunny usually only fights when threatened...Korea and Iraq threaten Bush, and the country as a whole. So, Bugs (Bush) is merely reacting to the provocations of Saddam (let's say he's Fudd) and Jong (Daffy.)

So if someone is violating the laws of global ethics and creating weapons that could indeed kill you...do you drop the issue and hope they will too, or do you defend yourself and kick some ass? I think it's obvious what to do in that situation. :)

-Matthew

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by rodney
That's very true. And I can't forget that it's freedom of speech that keeps opinionated, free-thinking, Michael Moore loving folks like myself continuing to spout our currently unpopular political views instead of getting our heads chopped off like what would happen if we lived in Kim Jong's regiem.

This is the greatest country on earth, no doubt about it, but I can't help but get a little frightened when we throw our weight around with countries that may have the ability to blow us all off the map. I'm a big fan of leaving well enough alone, and not poking a bulldog with a stick until it tries to bite you. It really, really scares me, to be totally honest.

I still hold my viewpoints about biased media (just compare CNN and FoxNews, both of which cater to an agenda). And I can't help but think that the reporting of the slave camps is an attempt to drum up support for a war against North Korea.

If we do take military action, I wonder what will become of those thousands of cartoons and movies?!!

I think it's interesting how somebody like Kim Jong, who's obviously about as far from an American as we can get, seems to be so obsessed with our popular culture.

Wellllll in a recent poll taken across a number of countries it was discovered that our 'popular culture' is much admired and loved all over the world (even in Muslim countries where you wouldn't expect such). In fact this was true of a very large majority of the people taking the international poll. Buuuuut sadly our nation per se was not admired nearly as much (even among our "friends" in certain European countries).

The notion of a second Korean War is something that no one has really countenanced for darn-near fifty years. That was the point of permanently stationing that large contingent of peace-keepers right in the path of any North Korean assault... For the North Koreans to roll across our poor troops automatically would trigger full scale war. The difference is that this time China would be highly unlikely to bail them out (China make war against their best customer, no they're not ready for that again, yet...) With that in mind a "new" Korean war would be hideous in loss of lives (they probably would use their little pile of nukes, but on what?) South Korea? And despoil the land for a generation...? Do they use their relatively short-range missiles? Against what? Alaska?? Or Japan?? Nothing would be gained for them except the stillness of being consigned to the scrapheap of history (and possibly as a radioactive scrapheap to boot). The North has never wanted a peace treaty with the South (or of course us) thus the whole point of their building nuclear weapons period (it wasn't for defence, if we'd have wanted to nuke them we've had ample opportunity for fifty years).

Kim's love of classic Warner toons may simply be his way of not facing a ghastly situation that his daddy left him and that he has made far worse...

[cabe624]

Wow. I read that about Kim yesterday in a Newsweek magazine too. Funny how a person who lives in an entire diffrent continent can have access to these cartoons, when we sometimes have to go through some "extreme" measures just to get a hold on some of Daffy's cartoons...:confused:

[J Lee]

That's very true. And I can't forget that it's freedom of speech that keeps opinionated, free-thinking, Michael Moore loving folks like myself continuing to spout our currently unpopular political views instead of getting our heads chopped off like what would happen if we lived in Kim Jong's regiem. \

Rodney, I had to cover a court trial involving Michael Moore back in 1996 over a lawsuit filed against his "TV Nation" show (Columbia-Tri Star vs. Merco Joint Ventures if you want to look it up). Basically, Michael's rationale for the running the story on an operation to transport NYC sewer sludge to a West Texas dump was if the other guy is a lying weasel, it's OK to lie about him to get at the "higher truth." The result was $3 in actual and $5 million in punative damages against the defendants.

If you're going to be a documentarian and say you're the voice of the "little guy" selective lying to get your point across is not the way to build up your character refrences. I haven't fact-checked Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" (though my firend said his dog makes a cameo appearance in the film), but if he's still operating under the same standards as nine years ago on NBC, I wouldn't hold his every word up as a beacon of truth, no matter how much you dislike George W. Bush.

Choose your heros wisely. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by rodney
....It's not that I dislike George W Bush, so much as his 'get them before they get us' attitude frightens me. War in general frightens me.

Sorry, Matthew, to have conjured up a political discussion. It won't happen again. Let's talk about cartoons! :bosko:


...Which reminds me of the line from 'Fiddler On The Roof'...
"EVERYTHING'S political" ;)

That's a funny line but in a very real way it's true in life whenever two or more people have interaction. Before the start of the Nineties I NEVER ever would have thought anybody would create such a STUPID, MORONIC notion as "Politically Incorrect" about anything. ...Most of all harmless cartoons made by a bunch of bonafide creative geniuses at Warners and MGM (aside from the famed but already-banned 'Censored Eleven' toons).

[Mibbitmaker]

I hate war, too (anti-Vietnam War, anti-Reagan...), but these are different times, and if we don't stop Saddam soon, it'll mean a much worse war later. I do still hope an overthrow or exile instead of a war, but it's no certainty.

However, this Iraq-situation caricature of Bush (who I did not vote for, btw) as out-of-control warmonger is going too far. Mainly, we aren't going to have a war with N. Korea. There is no such thing as Bush pushing for military action vs. Korea. A war with them would be insane and infinitely dangerous. That is not the policy.

Kim Jong Il is wacky. That's not propaganda. In fact, it's a good reason NOT to go to war with him.

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Now, what I was originally going to say in this thread was:

I hope that Daffy stops in mid-cartoon, looks right at Kim, and goes, "You're dethpicable!" :D