Nightwing -- Yes! Plastic Man -- NO!!!

[Squall]

I hope that there's at least one episode of Justice League where Nightwing and Robin and Batgirl make their appearances... Bruce Wayne eventually marries Barbara Gordon, remember? :) so I figure she's got to start appearing sooner or later.

And I read a few posts about Plastic Man on this Message Board -- God, NO!!! I hope and pray that Plastic Man never gets anywhere near the Dini/Timm DC Universe. I always hated that character, I thought he added a silly, slapstick "Looney Tunes" element to the DC Universe that the DC Universe does NOT need. He would ruin everything. I even hate the way he looks -- ridiculous... :mad:

As a final note, with Dini and Timm saying in interviews that the Justice League is going to have major catastrophies to deal with -- alien invasions, "planets being thrown at them" (to quote one of the two, but I forget which one), etc. what really can Batman do? He's a genius, of course, but there's not much he can do in cases like those above. Will he only appear occasionally and more often than not just watch the action and do the detective work???

What does everyone think?

[Calhoun07]

Plastic Man is ok, and I am confident that in Timm's capable hands, he could make the character work on the show. So I am not opposed to seeing Plastic Man on the show.

As for Batman...well, he can do whatever he wants with his Batbelt and all those wonderful toys!

[Squall]

You know, now that I think about it, Dini and Timm have an opportunity on Justice League to show (1) Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordon actually getting married, and (2) the two of them later getting a divorce. They could make the marriage a one-part Batman story, and the divorce a later one-part story. It would be an excellent way to "fill the gaps" between all those two- and three-parters that Dini and Timm have planned for Justice League. It would also drive the consistency between the shows up into the early 90-95% range.

Then, just to get it up to 99%, they could make a Green Lantern two-parter where the J.L. Green Lantern (for the life of me I can never remember his name!) helps Kyle Rainer with his duties on another planet. (Kyle Rainer can also express his homesickness of Earth during that episode.) A good idea, yes/no? :D

[Lucho]

Well, due to Batmans ineptitude, looks like Plastic Man must inevitably be brought in to save the universe...again!.

I am kidding, but I personally would love to see Plaz get a spot on the show, we've seen Nightwing, several versions of Robins and the entire Bat Family (yawn). Although I wouldn't mind if any of them had a cameo, IMHO Plastic man deserves it more. He's been around for over 60 years in one form or another, had a Superfriends spot, his own cartoon, is a current member of the JLA, has spawned some famous imitations, and believe it or not has a large(ly insane) fan base. In the hands of these creators; who knows you might learn what makes this character so great. And why he's had such staying power. Why not give him a chance?. The worst thing that could happen with this show is if they start repeating themselves. As it stands though it looks to have infinite possibilities, with creators who want to explore and take advantage of the full gamut of DC's marvelous universe at their disposal. My guess is Nightwing is the last thing on their minds, I mean how many times can you re-invent Batman. The unique Plastic Man might bring allot more to a story than Nightwing. So why not just enjoy the ride!.

"They're Listening...they're Watching...they're Coming(...they're bouncing!)"

[Tim Drake]

1.
I don't know where you came to the conclusion that Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne got married. It didn't happen in BTAS, TNBA or in BB or in between. There was hinting toward a relationship in BB that's really about it. If you look in the ROTJ Screenplay Paul Dini wrote there's a scene that was cut that explains Barbara Gordon's relationship with Bruce. Vincent Price (Pryce?)and Bruce Wayne are in an office talking after the Joker Fiasco at Wayne Enterprises. Price spouts off some info on Bruce's past to show he's done his homework. One of the lines is
something like "You were publicly linked to now Commisioner Barbara Gordon though you never married." So Dini had it planned it out that they had a romantic relationship seen in Out of the Past, but they never married. Yeah I know they cut the scene, but that was because of budget cuts. But you still get the idea bout Dini's plan.

2. All of the JL episodes are two parters there are no one part episodes.

Sorry to sound so mean, I just want to make it clear to everyone things that happened in BB since people are confused.

[Tim Drake]

Oh and about Plastic Man I'm willing to let Timm give him a shot considering. I don't know if he's a corny character, but Timm did well with Bizarro. And even Gilbert Godfrey as Mr. Mxylspytlik? whatever was decent.

[Calhoun07]

The only Timm revision I didn't care for was Krypto. But I did like his take on Bizzaro, too. I actually think he'd do a great job with Plastic Man.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Tim Drake
1. If you look in the ROTJ Screenplay Paul Dini wrote there's a scene that was cut that explains Barbara Gordon's relationship with Bruce.

So Dini had it planned it out that they had a romantic relationship seen in Out of the Past, but they never married. Yeah I know they cut the scene, but that was because of budget cuts. But you still get the idea bout Dini's plan.

Well, since the scene was cut, is it part of the continuity still or not? I'd say that because there was nothing said definitively on screen it still leaves open the possibility that they did get married and divorced.

Not that I'm keen on seeing them get married, mind you. . . .

[Joe Tully]

Yeah, I wouldn't like it if Batman got married, it goes against the whole Batman persona and conflicts with his defending Gotham. If he were to get married, he would have to spend too much time with her and any future famiily, and not enough time fighting crime. And despite the sidekicks, he is mostly a loner. I feel that he has the sidekicks mostly just because he knows that he needs them sometimes, otherwise he would do things by himself.

See MOTP for why marriage conflicts with Batman.

I'd be into seeing Plas on JL, I trust the team to do a good job with something like that. I like the character a little, and I trust the JL crew to do a good job. I don't think we need the whole Bat family to make an appearance. Maybe a brief one would be okay. If that was the case, I would like it if they updated the family, say that Joker crippled Barbara like he did in the comics, turn Babs into Oracle, make Tim older (in the last series he looked like a midget for chrissake!) It might even be interesting if they just killed off Tim like the comics did to Jason, it would explain why he wasn't hanging around with Batman in JL. And before BB fans yell at me, I think its been established that BB is just a possible future. I dunno if they'd be able to do stuff like that to Babs and Tim though. It would depend on what the big bosses tell the JL crew.

Batman will have plenty to do in JL. It's a talented team, they'll find stuff for him to do. Mostly, I envision him as pointing out weaknesses in villains' plans or even villians themselves, and of course any detective work such as figuring out what certain villians are planning on and deciding how to counter their plans. But he will also kick major butt.:D

[The Mad Hatter]

The only real continuity between the shows JL may tackle is Superman's reputation post-"Legacy," and even that is a big "if." It won't even be till the second season if they even choose to address it.

Furthermore, the creators have said that JL won't really be dealing with the heroes' alter-egos at all, so there won't be any delving into Bruce Wayne stuff. Also no explanantion for the Green Lantern switch.

Personally, I wouldn't let an obscession over continuity detract from the show, since all indications are that it'll be great. Watch and enjoy. :)

[Nightwing]

I agree with Hatter about the continuity thing. I guess we're all just too excited about Batman and Superman coming back, we forget it's not going to be in that exact "Batman/Superman" type that we got before. There are going to be changes, although small ones. So to keep from confusing ourselves, we should concentrate on generic Batman, or better yet Justice League, continuity, instead of BTAS/TNBA continuity.

We should pretty much disgreguard BB as a cointinuity altogether.


Originally posted by Tim Drake
Vincent Price (Pryce?)and Bruce Wayne are in an office talking after the Joker Fiasco at Wayne Enterprises.

If Double B gets to be a wize guy than so can I. As far as I know, Vincen Price never did any work for Bruce. I think he just stuck to his horror movies and such. Jordan Pyrce, though, was an executive at WaynePowers. :D ;)

Anyway, the only thing that gripes me is deleting continuity that we don't necessarily have to. I'm not saying I won't like John Stewart at all, but I really really liked Kyle as GL.

[kid_flash]

I really hope they get Plastic Man in the show somehow, and I am looking forward to the DTV with him. I don't see how people can hate this guy so much. First off, part of comic books is humor. Of the few things I agree with Alex Ross on, one is that Plastic Man is one of the five aspects of comics. It's something like....

Sci-Fi: Superman
Mystery: Batman
Magic: Captain Marvel
Mythology: Wonder Woman
Humor: Plastic Man

For some reason, people don't get that humor has always been a part of comic books.

And not only do I like Plastic Man, but I would trust ANY character to the people working on JL, or Dini. I will always say that one of the best episodes of TNBA is "Beware the Creeper." I think having that sort of story (silly, but with a slightly serious side) would work perfectly for Plastic Man. Not to mention he's a former crook, with connections to the underworld. Potential is limitless.

[Squall]

Well, I still wish that Justice League would fall into the continutiy and timeline of the other four TV shows. Then it would be one giant, awesome storyline! (Kind of like the Dragonball Z and Gundam Wing cartoons -- they have many incarnations, but you can watch each incarnation one right after the other and get the whole story.) That was my dream, anyway. Something like this:

Batman: The Animated Series --> The Batman/Superman Adventures --> Justice League --> Batman Beyond --> Zeta

In fact, I originally thought it would be cool if WB re-aired its Batman/Superman Adventures as part of the Justice League series ("World's Finest", "Knight Time", "The Demon Reborn", and "Girls' Night Out" were on the fast-track to being Justice League anyway).

Oh well, one can dream, can't he? (Sigh.)

[Manhunter]

I once had an idea for an episode of Superman with Plastic Man as a guest star. It was basically my take on Jimmy Olsen as Elastic Lad.

[Tim Drake]

LOL! That's what I meant Jordan Pryce. Sheesh I'm tired......

[The Mad Hatter]

I think most of us here like to pretend Zeta doesn't exist. :p

[Nightwing]

Yup. I'm with the tea party man. Although I don't think Zeta is really all that in touch with our Batman world(s), so I guess it doesn't matter. But I always saw BB as what it was proposed as, a possible future. Ya know, all the ROTJ stuff or what have you.

[DerekPowers]

first of all, just to clear things up, bruce and barbara DONT get married. cut scene in rotj or not, just watch "a touch of curare" and barbara tells terry about her and bruce's relationship. not only does barbara agree when terry asks if she became bruce's GIRLFRIEND not wife, she also tells him when she wanted a commitment he couldnt leave the costume, so she walked, or something along those lines. clearly they were never wed.

but i would love to see something involving barbara and bruce's relationship in jl. but i always assumed it was alittle later in the future, cause jl takes place before the rotj flashback, and that only took place shortly after tnba, so i'd guess they wont do anything w/ that in jl, although i wish they would. anyway, peace.

[Tim Drake]

Thank you for agreeing. A relationship was implied in A Touch of Curare but no marriage. Besides if Bruce Wayne got married do you think it would be a secret? He's a multi billionaire. It would have been televised or something. It would have been public knowledge that Terry could have figured out.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Tim Drake
Thank you for agreeing. A relationship was implied in A Touch of Curare but no marriage. Besides if Bruce Wayne got married do you think it would be a secret? He's a multi billionaire. It would have been televised or something. It would have been public knowledge that Terry could have figured out.

Well, they could have gotten secretly married and then almost instantly called it off, if they realized quickly enough that it had been a mistake. (That would make an interesting story, IMO!) But I'm sure you're right that they don't get married, for the reasons Derek Powers gives.

[Samhaine]

I've said this before, I know, but it bears repeating.

I want JL to have NOTHING to do with BB. While I enjoyed BB, I hated every part that mentioned a Bruce/Barbara relationship. I just can't stand it. I am a hardcore Dick/Babs guy. Not Bruce/Barbara. Plus, the age difference is just yucky.

BB was a nice little "What if?" tale. That's all. When it first came out, Dini even described it as "possible future". Means it has no bearing on any new Batman/Superman/JL episodes, and the content of them.