View Full Version : Justice League John Stewarts "creativity"
NightwingWC
01-04-2003, 08:42 PM
All right, is it just me or does John Stewart not make anything but a laser and a shield on justice league?
He is a green lantern, he is supposed to make all of these cool things. Look what Kyle did on stas or what green guardsman did on "legends"
Whats ur opinion?
Supremus
01-04-2003, 09:06 PM
I agree that John Stewart's use of the ring is a bit uninspired, but it also leaves room for some exciting developments once he finally figures out all the fun he can have with it.
We don't know how long he has been Green Lantern, but I guess it's safe to assume that he is fairly new at the job, so maybe he just hasn't had the time to read the manual. :)
It does seem odd that he supposedly used to read comics about the adventures of Green Guardsman and the JGA, and when he finally gets a ring of his own, all he does is use it for forcefields and stuff like that. That makes no sense at all.
I want to believe it's a deliberate ploy by the writers so they can let John have an exciting discovery later. On the other hand, these are the same writers that took the magic out of Wonder Woman's lasso, made Superman a weakling, and had Flash fall over his own feet all the time, so it's very possible that they just didn't want GL to be too powerful as well.
Mike Spartz
01-04-2003, 09:15 PM
I think the main reason what John is not very creative with his GL ring is because of his military background. The ring matchs its owners personality, and prehaps getting trained in the army has made John shun using his ring creatively. I think John's philosophy is that if lasers and beams are effective on the job, there's no reason to get more creative. Don't forget Kyle was an artist, so his mind was used to creating more than just boring laser beams. :)
Supremus
01-04-2003, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by Batman Lover
I think the main reason what John is not very creative with his GL ring is because of his military background. The ring matchs its owners personality, and prehaps getting trained in the army has made John shun using his ring creatively. I think John's philosophy is that if lasers and beams are effective on the job, there's no reason to get more creative. Don't forget Kyle was an artist, so his mind was used to creating more than just boring laser beams. :)
Hal Jordan wasn't from a creative/artistic background, and I doubt most of the regular GL Corps were either, and they have always used their rings much better than John Stewart. If he was in the army, let's see him whip up some big green transparent tanks and stuff like that.
Then again, the other GLs from "In Blackest Night" didn't seem too use much imagination with their rings either, so maybe this is what we're stuck with in the JL universe.
Martianman606
01-05-2003, 10:52 AM
I think it's just based on John's personality. John's probably not artistic at all so that's why he doesn't do all of the cool stuff that the other Green Lanter's did.
BeastBoyWonder
01-05-2003, 12:05 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with John himself... If John were to be featured in "In Brightest Day", he would probably use constructs in that STAS episode as well. However, on Justice League ALL of the Green Lanterns use their rings in that manner from what we've seen. Green Guardsman wasn't really a member of the Corps, but in "In Blackest Night" it was all lasers and shields from the other members too. I think that he's a great character, probably has the best portrayal in the League, but I guess the creators decided it would either be too tough to have their GLs making constructs every time, or they didn't want to make them too powerful.
I think it would be nice to see constructs on the show, but I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. In some instances a generic beam or shield bubble would be practical, since you wouldn't have to think about what to make to perform the task, but for more complex tasks, constructs are beneficial... I think it would be okay for the writers to let John use constructs when necessary, and use beams and shields when practical.
Drachentöter
01-05-2003, 12:58 PM
No, I'm pretty sure it has to do with John. And the GL Corps was just laziness, because the team had gotten used to John's style.
Kyle Rayner is very Wally West-ish. He's young, he's a wiseass, he likes to have fun. That, and he's an artist so his constructs are very playful and creative.
Stewart went through a military career and discipline is always number one in his book. Why do you think he's so hard on Flash and (formerly) Hawkgirl? They don't go by the book and that used to be a cardinal sin for him.
He is starting to lighten up, so maybe someday we'll see him form a fist or something. And we'll practically hear the cheers and squeals from across the nation.
And you can't use Hal Jordan as an example because a) he was created in the sixties when comics were directed at smaller children and b) he's not in the animated universe.
Frank White
01-05-2003, 01:18 PM
Maybe the creators think constructs are corny.
LadyM
01-05-2003, 01:35 PM
I think the explanation of John's military background is the best one so far, although the "real life" reason seems to be that it would cost too much to animate. (Man, I hope JL starts getting a better animation budget, then.)
It really makes me unhappy, though. The green constructs were always one of the unique, fun benefits to having a GL around.
Besides, everyone knows Booster Gold is the man you call for forcefields and laser blasts . . . :p
~LM~
Patrick Bateman
01-05-2003, 01:45 PM
I think the explanation of John's military background is the best one so far, although the "real life" reason seems to be that it would cost too much to animate. (Man, I hope JL starts getting a better animation budget, then.)
Didn't GL make constructs in the old SuperFriends cartoons? Don't tell me that THAT show had a bigger budget than JL. I think the animators are just lazy.
Mike Spartz
01-05-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by ragingdrummerboy
I think that he's a great character, probably has the best portrayal in the League, but I guess the creators decided it would either be too tough to have their GLs making constructs every time, or they didn't want to make them too powerful.
Well said [B]ragingdummerboy[/B, I agree that perhaps the creators of JL didn't want any of the members, including John, to be to powerful. This show is about the world's superheros banning together to fed off forces that as individuals they're powerless to defend. So, I think it's logical that not one of the JL members should be considered the most powerful.
murmur
01-06-2003, 05:59 PM
Well, if ever there was a question for the next Bruce Timm interview...
Until then, my take is that constructs are corny. They're fun to look at, but they really aren't practical. Let's use Green Guardsman as an example. He uses a drill; a concentrated blast would be less successfull? He uses a cage; a bubble wouldn't do the same thing? He uses a catcher's mitt; a softened energy wall wouldn't accomplish the same purpose? It probably would make sense for Kyle Rainer to use constructs because that's just the way he thinks...His creativity is useful for the ring because it enhances his resourcesfulness, not the obscurity of his constructs. John Stewart's contribution to the ring is his willpower, which would be expressed in sheer power.
Digu Volz
01-07-2003, 12:27 AM
I think John should only use constructs when they serve a practical purpose and not just for show, it fits with his practical nature. He has been shown to utilize the ring in more subtle manners however, so it isn't like he's totally uncreative.
KingKoopa
01-07-2003, 04:43 PM
It's really because it would cost too much to animate the constructs. They simply have a very very very cheap budget to make she show on.
HelloKittyKat
01-07-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by KingKoopa
It's really because it would cost too much to animate the constructs. They simply have a very very very cheap budget to make she show on.
I really hope it's not that hard to draw ring constructs
Dadiomov
01-07-2003, 11:41 PM
I agree that the simple reason is that the creators think the constructs are corny. It's doubtful that they gave any thought to John's military background and said, "He probably wouldn't use his ring like that." Hopefully they'll come to their senses and realize the possibilities that come with exploiting the ring to its full potential.
Anarky
01-08-2003, 09:30 PM
i'm anti-constructs
it was cool when the Green Guardsman did it because of who he was: a throwback, retro character from the old school.
i do NOT want to see John Stewart using constructs unless absolutely necessary...like the GL from BB, when he used those giants hands to hold up tose crumbling skyscrapers
as for Diana's lasso: I'm glad it doesn't "truth" powers.
LESS CHEESE. MORE MEAT.
NightwingWC
01-09-2003, 09:13 PM
The problem is, thats what people like about green lanterns, they make cool stuff. and if anyone here reads the justice league animated comic, john makes TONS of creative stuff in that. and in the comics, wonder womans lasso does force people to tell the truth.
Anarky
01-09-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by NightwingWC
The problem is, thats what people like about green lanterns, they make cool stuff. and if anyone here reads the justice league animated comic, john makes TONS of creative stuff in that. and in the comics, wonder womans lasso does force people to tell the truth.
that's why i quit reading jl adv after the first issue
BeastBoyWonder
01-09-2003, 11:59 PM
Its not the fault of the writers... they weren't provided with more information... those issues have been remedied.
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