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James Harvey
12-30-2002, 02:35 PM
Welcome to a new installment of the bi-weekly Fresh Comic Question. If you missed the first installment of the question series, check it out Here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59922). Now...onto the question.

#2. 2003 promises to be a year of change in the comic industry once again, in more than one way. Alot of fans are clamoring for creators to fix certain situations, like the Peter/MJ marriage in 'Spider-Man' and the controversal Stewart/Rayner situation in 'Green Lantern'. Now, out of all the 'mistakes' currently being made in 2002, which would you like to see fixed and why? (this can include comic characters, creators, stories, character development, events, etc...)

Cyber E.
12-30-2002, 03:00 PM
Off the top of my head, I would like to see something really happen in the Amazing Peter/MJ relationship. This kind of thing has been happening for so long it isn't funny anymore. Maybe them breaking up perm' would help end the terror that is happening to their relationship, either way it has to end now.

If I think of something more important, I'll edit this post. :p

kid_flash
12-30-2002, 03:21 PM
This is what I wanna see happen...

FIX SUPERMAN. How?

Cancel MAN OF STEEL - Done already.

Put good creative team on SUPERMAN - Seagle has great views on the Superman character, but I worry about McDaniel, who is consistantly screwed over by the crappy paper and Andy Owens.

Put good creative team on ADVENTURES - Joe Casey can GO AWAY NOW. Rumors are circulating about Morrison and Hitch. Frickin' do it. If Hitch will only do ULTIMATES, then find out what happened to Howard Porter.

Reflect on ACTION COMICS - Change ACTION from a Superman book back to what it was when it was weekly: A Showcase of sorts for different, unconnected super-heroes. A book like this is sorely missed.

That way, you only have two Superman books that would be UNCONNECTED EXCEPT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. And when you do a special event, make it special. These are getting to be like once every other month.

The Detective
12-30-2002, 04:48 PM
I want the Green Lantern Coprs back! Sure, it didn't happen in 2002, but I still want them back. I don't like Kyle being the only Gl.

Condiment King
12-30-2002, 06:04 PM
GREEN LANTERN.


Get rid of Judd Winick which is happening.

Get Kyle Rayner off his space journey and reinstated as Green Lantern of Sector 2814. Make John Stewart recruiter of the new Green Lanterns. John Stewart could recruit many of the old Green Lanterns: Boodika, Larvox, and others along with some newbies.

Have the Guardians age and give them the wisdom of Ganthet.

Have the aged Guardians no longer letting Kyle do whatever he feels he wants, thus creating an edgy relationship between the Guardians and Kyle. Establish some ground rules which Kyle doesn't handle well.

Involve Guy Gardner more in the book as a supporting character.

Later, maybe another GREEN LANTERN CORPS QUARTERLY book.

LadyM
12-30-2002, 06:37 PM
What the King of Condiments said. ^_^

~LM~

The Detective
12-30-2002, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Condiment King
GREEN LANTERN.


Get rid of Judd Winick which is happening.

Get Kyle Rayner off his space journey and reinstated as Green Lantern of Sector 2814. Make John Stewart recruiter of the new Green Lanterns. John Stewart could recruit many of the old Green Lanterns: Boodika, Larvox, and others along with some newbies.

Have the Guardians age and give them the wisdom of Ganthet.

Have the aged Guardians no longer letting Kyle do whatever he feels he wants, thus creating an edgy relationship between the Guardians and Kyle. Establish some ground rules which Kyle doesn't handle well.

Involve Guy Gardner more in the book as a supporting character.

Later, maybe another GREEN LANTERN CORPS QUARTERLY book.
Exactly! Perfect, just perfect. Especially on getting rid of Judd Winick. Man I want the GL Corps back!

Jor-El
12-30-2002, 11:57 PM
Kid Flash said it all.

Morrison and Hitch would be a creative team to die for, assuming we can't just get Loeb and Sale. :)

Cogliostro
12-31-2002, 12:35 AM
I would like to see Marvel fix Deadpool. He is a great character and is very under-rated. If done right the title could be amazing this has already been proved with the amazing team of Gail Simone and UDON.

That would be the best fix for me if Marvel does it but of course they won't I believe Joe has already given up on Deadpool after trying to revamp it with Agent X which is also good but only cause Gail and UDON are working on it right now. I say end Agent X restart Deadpool and get a wonderful team on it for a full year and give it some attention (Ad's, Previews ect.) and if it doesnt work I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Green-Ghost
12-31-2002, 11:58 AM
I would like to see Jim Lee and Jeph Loeb fixed on Batman for a second year.

Marc
12-31-2002, 02:39 PM
What I’d like to see fixed:
-One of DC’s top priorities should be fixing Green Lantern. Geoff Johns and Scott Kolins have done wonders with The Flash, and I’d love to see what they could do with GL. Wonder Woman is another title that needs major work, although I’m sad to say I haven’t a clue how to fix it. I fell in love with WW back when she was simply a female “Superman”. She had a secret identity, a job, a romantic personal life, the works. I’m not saying they should abandon WW’s mythological background, that’s a huge part of who she is, but just tone it down a little. I’m sure there must be some writer/artist team that could turn the WW series around. Basically I feel that Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, & Green Lantern should be five “must-have” DC titles, alongside JLA of course. They should be quality books that no DC fan can live without.

-No character should have more than one book dedicated to their stories. That means cancel all Super-titles except for Superman and all Bat-titles except for Batman. Do not cancel Action Comics and Detective Comics, but make them each a collection of short stories featuring “lesser known” heroes in the DCU. Action Comics could feature characters like Firestorm, Red Tornado, Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, etc. And likewise make Detective Comics darker, more psychological stories with characters like Jason Blood, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Dr. Mid-Nite, etc. Speaking of multiple titles, cancel all Spider-related books except for Amazing and set up Paul Jenkins and Mark Buckingham as the creative team.

-Make Mark Schultz the head writer on Superman. He’s the best Superman writer since John Byrne and I think he’s the only person who really understands that Superman is supposed to be science fiction. Most writers seem to forget that. To let Schultz slip away would be a grave mistake on DC’s part.

Other ideas:
Get Kevin Smith, Judd Winick and J. Michael Straczynski as far away from mainstream superhero comics as possible.
-JMS shines when he has free reign over his own universe, just look at Rising Stars or Midnight Nation for proof of how good a writer he can be. But his Spider-Man is just a garbled mess.
-Winick needs to stick with Barry Ween and stories along a similar nature. He has talent, but superhero comics are not where he can best utilize it. If he must play with superheroes however, then I’d like to see Winick develop his own universe as JMS has done.
-Smith just needs to stay away from comic books, period

Those are just a few ideas. ;)

- Cap

kid_flash
12-31-2002, 04:27 PM
Good call, Cap'n.

Lesse...

GREEN LANTERN will be written by Ben Raab. Prepare for even worse.

WONDER WOMAN has Greg coming up on writing duties, followed by Walt Simonson. Should be cool.

Superman and Batman....yeah. I couldn't figure out what to do with DETECTIVE, but that's the best damn idea I've heard when it comes to trimming the Bat-books. Especially if they cancelled GOTHAM KNIGHTS and LOTDK (does anyone actually read that anymore?).

Spider-Man...I loved JMS's first story, but everything after that just never quite clicked.

As for Kevin Smith, I'm not gonna argue the point, but at least tell me you've read his DAREDEVIL work (and I don't mean THE TARGET). If you're judging purely from GREEN ARROW.....man, I'd hate Smith too. At least we've got the movies.

Reed Richards
01-01-2003, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by kid_flash
Good call, Cap'n.

Lesse...

GREEN LANTERN will be written by Ben Raab. Prepare for even worse.





impossible! I cannot FATHOM how this character/group of characters can be ruined beyond what Winnick has done to them. The worst that can happen is more of the same, which isn't any lower than its at now.....

Cyber E.
01-01-2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by CaptainInfinity
What I’d like to see fixed:
-One of DC’s top priorities should be fixing Green Lantern. Geoff Johns and Scott Kolins have done wonders with The Flash, and I’d love to see what they could do with GL. Wonder Woman is another title that needs major work, although I’m sad to say I haven’t a clue how to fix it. I fell in love with WW back when she was simply a female “Superman”. She had a secret identity, a job, a romantic personal life, the works. I’m not saying they should abandon WW’s mythological background, that’s a huge part of who she is, but just tone it down a little. I’m sure there must be some writer/artist team that could turn the WW series around. Basically I feel that Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, & Green Lantern should be five “must-have” DC titles, alongside JLA of course. They should be quality books that no DC fan can live without.

-No character should have more than one book dedicated to their stories. That means cancel all Super-titles except for Superman and all Bat-titles except for Batman. Do not cancel Action Comics and Detective Comics, but make them each a collection of short stories featuring “lesser known” heroes in the DCU. Action Comics could feature characters like Firestorm, Red Tornado, Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, etc. And likewise make Detective Comics darker, more psychological stories with characters like Jason Blood, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Dr. Mid-Nite, etc. Speaking of multiple titles, cancel all Spider-related books except for Amazing and set up Paul Jenkins and Mark Buckingham as the creative team.

-Make Mark Schultz the head writer on Superman. He’s the best Superman writer since John Byrne and I think he’s the only person who really understands that Superman is supposed to be science fiction. Most writers seem to forget that. To let Schultz slip away would be a grave mistake on DC’s part.

Other ideas:
Get Kevin Smith, Judd Winick and J. Michael Straczynski as far away from mainstream superhero comics as possible.
-JMS shines when he has free reign over his own universe, just look at Rising Stars or Midnight Nation for proof of how good a writer he can be. But his Spider-Man is just a garbled mess.
-Winick needs to stick with Barry Ween and stories along a similar nature. He has talent, but superhero comics are not where he can best utilize it. If he must play with superheroes however, then I’d like to see Winick develop his own universe as JMS has done.
-Smith just needs to stay away from comic books, period

Those are just a few ideas. ;)

- Cap

Alright that's it, I am changing my answer to that. :p

kid_flash
01-01-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Reed Richards
impossible! I cannot FATHOM how this character/group of characters can be ruined beyond what Winnick has done to them. The worst that can happen is more of the same, which isn't any lower than its at now.....

But, see, at least Winnick made changes in the title and the characters' lives. Everything I've read by Raab is just so drab and boring, but it may be because he hasn't had an ongoing to work with. Either way, I'm not gonna stick around to find out.

Marc
01-01-2003, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by kid_flash
As for Kevin Smith, I'm not gonna argue the point, but at least tell me you've read his DAREDEVIL work (and I don't mean THE TARGET). If you're judging purely from GREEN ARROW.....man, I'd hate Smith too. At least we've got the movies. Kid,

I have read Smith's Daredevil issues, and believe it or not, I loved them. I feel so dirty for admitting that now, but it’s true. However, with each new project that he puts out, my appreciation for his DD diminishes.

As for his so-called “films”, you don’t want to get me started on that.

- Cap

Jade_GL
01-01-2003, 10:14 PM
Wonder Woman should be fixed. I appear to be one of the only people who reads it continually on the board, or maybe people just don't admit it (hehehe) but I definately have some ideas.

Less mythology and WW history. Now it's way too backed up with prior continuity to do much of anything new and interesting. Again, I don't want anything thrown out, but get away from pure mythology and magic storylines and get into more everyday storylines about Diana's life, her relationships. This is why I loved the one shot issue with her interview with Lois Lane. We got to see her being a diplomat, a volunteer, and a regular woman who just talks with the girls. So far, in the past year or so, it's been a lot of prior WW rehashed history, magic, and mythology. Make her deal with the big epic Greek stuff less, and go back to being on the normal streets of a city more. Not saying she needs the secret identity, because I think at this point it would be nigh impossible to reinstate that, but I would like to see her going about, normal stories dealing with small time issues, and bigger issues equally. Also, different clothes. I'm sick of the one or two outfits. This is why I liked the Lois Lane interview issue as well. You got to see her in the opulent dimplomatic garb, but also a regular t-shirt.

No more mulitple villains in one storyline. It seems like Wonder Woman always has to fight a large group. It's been a team up against WW in every issue lately, from her battles in Skartaris to her against the Cheetah and Silver Swan and Circe before that. I would love to see more one on one stories. Have her just fight Circe or Silver Swan so there can be some developement between the two without jumping to the other villains, which has been what is happening in the past year or so. Circe doesn't need a team, she can be WW's Lex Luthor and be effective against WW all by herself. With all of the characters that clutter WW, I find it hard to keep up with everything that's going on. Make it WW and a villain, focus on that relationship, don't constantly try to make everything an epic Grecian battle. I'm sick of the clutter.

Also, I think it's good to have characters show up once in a while, but Wonder Girl and Donna Troy have been showing up too much for me. I think they can have their own stories without it having to always be the three of them together. The WW comic could go either way. We could have it be mostly about WW with these characters making occasional cameos, or once in a while Wonder Girl could take over the issue or a storyline and have Diana get a break. Or they could do a short back up story involving a WW back up character like Donna or even Artemis. I just don't like the clutter of a bunch of characters all there at the same time. it takes away from the story for me. I want a smaller focus which, I believe, would help characters develop more and stand out more. Right now it's just a bunch of people with equal page with WW. Either focus on WW, make the comic have a larger scope where it can be a Wonder Girl, Donna, and WW comic, if they really feel the need to include them a lot, or even do small back up stories. I just don't want these huge groups splitting the story and making it crazy.

I think I've said everything I need to say about WW. I would love them to try and make it more like a Superman type comic or batman type comic where the focus is on one person, mainly one villain per storyline, and where epic stories can be side by side with normal stories that expand the Diana character, not just constantly put her at odds with Gods, magic, and whatever cosmic evil is out there. I want to see Diana go out and help nomral people too, just like your Batmans and Supermans do. It' much to caught up in myth and the epic, it needs a return to smaller and more human interest stories.

That's what I would like to see changed.

Storm
01-01-2003, 10:38 PM
ummm lets see...

New X-men.

New X-men is the only X-title that i don't pick up (I know you guys are shocked). I say ditch the "New" and just give me plain ol' X-men again. I think the writer on New X-men is taking to many liberities and the whole Emma/Jean/Scott love triangle is sad. Give me Cyclops, Storm, Wolvie, Rouge, Jean, Iceman, and Beast again :D I just think if New X-men messes up the whole X-mythos and if they don't put Xavier back in a wheelvhair I will faint. I just want New X-men not to be tied in with the X-men movie just give me the good ol' X-men again.

kid_flash
01-02-2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by CaptainInfinity
Kid,

I have read Smith's Daredevil issues, and believe it or not, I loved them. I feel so dirty for admitting that now, but it’s true. However, with each new project that he puts out, my appreciation for his DD diminishes.

As for his so-called “films”, you don’t want to get me started on that.

- Cap

Well, as long as we've all read DD :D

And don't worry, I wouldn't getcha started. That'd just get the thread moved.

Silent Bob
01-02-2003, 03:14 AM
I agree with Storm. I'd like to see NEW X-MEN fixed up. The current "Riot" arc isn't that bad, but the feel of the comic feels wrong. I enjoyed some of Morrison's earlier stuff on the comic, but now it's beginning to feel a big stagnant and just plain boring. I am really looking forward to the fallout of the arc, becuase it presents some changes to the book.

And finally, WOLVERINE is getting a good creative team, but why the reboot? Damn you, Marvel...

HelloKittyKat
01-02-2003, 04:01 AM
Joe Kelly should take a break from writing comics

Reed Richards
01-02-2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by HelloKittyKat
Joe Kelly should take a break from writing comics


good idea

pabcool
01-02-2003, 07:17 PM
I'd Like Less Spandex Type Stuff. I Mean, *Insert Word Here*Man Is Okay, But Less Superheroes On The Market, Please.

Chris Sanders MSX
01-03-2003, 11:42 AM
Fix Agent-X namely bring DeadPool back !!!!! I don't care if the explaination is stupid, just bring him back. Make the whoel Agent X thing a dream sequence. I could careless, just bring back our Merc !

Silent Bob
01-03-2003, 10:03 PM
One thing I do like that is being fixed is the Wolverine comic. For awhile, the comic suffered from a major identity crisis with either rotating creative teams or just plain horrible stories. I am glad to see Marvel finally putting a quality creative team on this series with Greg Rucka and Darick Robertson. My only complaint is that they are rebooting the title to do so. Just in time for X-Men 2 I believe.

Gotham Knights '68
01-08-2003, 11:11 AM
Why would we call for a cancellation of multiple Batman titles and or Superman titles? Why not cancel all multiple titles then? Aren't there numberous Spiderman & X-Men titles? Lets be fair.

I mean come on - are you guys actually reading Detective comics? This is and has been a GREAT Batman title. the current 6 part arc is every bit as good as HUSH to date. And what about Rucka's recent run? I could go on and on. Cancelling Detective comics as a Batman title is just plain wrong.

As a big Batman fan, I really look forward to having at least one Batman title released on a weekly basis and in my opinion the system is working very well. Batman and Detective are great titles focusing on The Batman as a Superhero and crime-fighting detective respectively. Gotham Knights focuses on the "Bat-universe" so to speak and Legends (YES Kid Flash I happen to still read and enjoy this title very much - along with many other people I know here in the NY area) Legends focuses on "non-continuity" type stories that sorta fill in the gaps of Batmans history in time. Plus I still Love seeing stories wtih Dick as Robin, Gordon as Comissioner (or even when he as just Captain) and its a fresh break from current continuity stories.

If you are not reading a title, can't afford to buy multiple titles, or just flat out don't like a title - please, don't call for its cancellation cause there are other fans out there that really do enjoy these stories. Legends has been around for 168 issues to date - every story arc might not be "great" - but haven't you ever watched a favorite show where one episode wasn't as good as the others - and you can go down the list...movies, books, CD's where 7 songs are awesome and 4 are ok and 2 are just plain awfull. And if you are not reading these titles - why judge them - or better yet, how can you judge them or call for their cancellation - I just do not understand this.

Granted with Superman, I just over the last year or two started reading the title starting with Loeb's run (No Limits TPB) and have collected/read everything since then. I've enjoyed the stories very much. Isn't Action Comics a Superman mainstay? Like for 800 issues? Why cancel this as a Superman title? I'm no where near a big Superman fan, but I've enjoyed the titles where I'm still collecting them. Maybe I'm crazy here but you can point me in the right direction as to why everyone seems to currently dislike the big "S" so much?

Sorry for getting off track on your post Jim, and to answer your original question, the one thing I would change for 2003 is definitely the direction of the Green Lantern title. It is a bit of a mess right now and I hope they can fix it quick!

Marc
01-08-2003, 03:25 PM
GK’68,

Please don’t take my suggestions of cancellations as ill-intentioned. These are just my opinions on how to fix certain comic book titles, as that is exactly what this thread is asking of us: Our opinions. I just feel that there is no character that deserves more than one title, not even Superman. In fact, I’ll quote myself just to clarify: “No character should have more than one book dedicated to their stories.” As you can see, my suggestion was not DC exclusive. In fact, I mentioned Spider-Man, but I did make the mistake of overlooking the X-titles.

My comment was not meant as an insult to those of you that read those titles, but there’s such a thing as overexposure and Bats, Supes, Spidey and many others are suffering from it big time. Hey, I’ve had plenty of my favorite books cancelled so I know the feeling. Being able to read Superman every week has hurt the character in my opinion. I no longer anticipate reading about him, because the next issue is out before I’ve even had a chance to read the last one! It’s just too much, and the stories have all suffered as a result. And no, I don’t read Detective Comics. I have no interest in Batman at all nowadays, because as far as I’m concerned all the best Batman stories have been told. I feel the same way about the X-Men. Wolverine killing Magneto back in issue #113 was the perfect conclusion to the X-Men saga for me, and I’m never reading those books again. I have no need to! As far as I’m concerned their story is done and I couldn’t be happier. The same goes for Batman. If this statement is unfair to current Batman & X-Men fans as well as their creators, well then I’m sorry. It’s just my opinion after all.

Onto Detective & Action; I’d just like to see those books revert to their original formats, i.e. a collection of random stories featuring a rotating cast of characters. It wasn’t until Batman & Superman appeared that the titles became their own. There are so many second-stringers with great potential that Action and Detective are a perfect home for them. Just think, every month we could have short stories featuring different heroes & villains and different creators. It could also be a great opportunity for new creators to get their foot in the door.

Well, that’s how I feel about all that. GK’68, you’re a friend and based on the brief time we’ve known each other on these boards, you should be well aware that I have my opinions and I’m not afraid to share them. I meant no offense.

- Cap

HelloKittyKat
01-08-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by CaptainInfinity
It wasn’t until Batman & Superman appeared that the titles became their own.

*pulls out copy of Action Comics #1 with Superman on the cover* :P

Marc
01-08-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by HelloKittyKat
*pulls out copy of Action Comics #1 with Superman on the cover* :P Doh! I was hoping no one would notice that. Superman did first appear in Action Comics #1, but for many issues he shared the spotlight with several other characters. I should rephrase my earlier statement to say: "It wasn’t until Batman & Superman became popular that the titles became their own".

- Cap

kid_flash
01-09-2003, 12:18 AM
My mistake for not mentioning Spidey and the X-Men. X-Men I couldn't care either way, I only buy one. Spidey, I buy 'em all (not TANGLED WEB), but I could really use the money I'd save if we had one mainstream and one Ultimate.

And yes, BATMAN should be the only Bat-title. SUPERMAN should be the only Super-title. The reason is simple: Crossovers kill comics and drive fans to riot (online riotting....what is cooler?), and crossovers happen with the multiple titles (or at the very least are MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN).

It may also have something to do with the fact that the best titles on the market (check out the reviews, the overwhelming response will agree) are either only one of the multple-title characters' titles (if you followed that sentence, kudos to you) or a character with only one ongoing.

And in general, creators agree that working on a multiple-title characters will say (in those times their being honest) that it is hampering to work like that. The companies have loosened the hold a bit, but still I would hate to be in the middle of writing what could be a killer story, then an editor saying it can't happen because some other guy's comic ships a week earlier. SHIPPING SCHEDULES can kill stories. THAT'S when the multi-titles become even more a problem.

Gotham Knights '68
01-09-2003, 10:59 AM
First off, I apologize Captain Infinity for coming off so negatively - I guess I take my Batman comics a little too seriously :o And yep, I missed your statement regarding all superheroes - my bad! I consider you a very good friend as well, and always value your opinions and enjoy your posts. I didn't mean to frown on your opinions cause you are most definitely entitled to them as is anyone who posts here. I guess all the negativity regarding many of my favorite titles (JLA in particular) has gotten to me a bit - I've even read that some people think Jim Lee's artwork is horrible :eek: :rolleyes:

I really do however dissagree that crossovers within a title kills comics - it actully makes the stories flow better IMO. DC crossovers are a completely different story, for the most part they are awful and useless - but at least within the Batman titles I've really liked all the stories. Just to name some recent ones, No Man's Land was awesome, I also really liked Officer Down in addition to the whole Murderer / Fugitive Story. I would much rather wait one week for the second part of a story as opposed to one month (if its on time) AND - if Batman was cut to only one title, then it would be one on-going story that would take up a whoppping 15 - 30 minutes of my month reading my favorite hero - sorry but for me personally that is no-where near enough! I also think that if this is what would happen people would not be happy - and this goes for any hero of choice. Would anyone really be happy with one 22 page (fill in favorite hero here) story monthly.

Even if you want to kill crossovers within a title - fine. Currently I am really enjoying "Hush", while seperately loving "Dead Reckoning" in Detective - two seperate, but great Batman Continuity arcs. Gotham Knights has also been enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to the upcoming Huntress arc. And Legends is a completely seperate title within itself always - it is never included within the "in-title" crossovers (with Knightfall being the exception - but that was back in the early '90's).

The whole "Bat-Universe" is very big and involved with many different chararcters - for all of these stories to be told once a month in 22 pages is near impossible. It would not be satisfying for me personally. I collect most of the DC titles and am also way behind on my reading in terms of weekly releases with certain titles (which is why I never get to post comments within the "What'd you get..." threads), but I do enjoy reading them as I get to them - which in many cases works out better cause they are usually multiple parters anyway - I'm a very impatient person anyway and hate waiting a long time for continuations or conclusions to story arcs as it is!

We must all remember (myself included) that these are just everyones individual opinions - it just seemed to me that certain comments were made as "this is the way it should be for it to work - cause currently it isn't" - and I do not agree with that, everyone has their own individual tastes and likes. Again I apologize to you Captain, you are a friend and I'll always be greatful to you for helping me so much with all the Superman stuff/info you have given me and I look forward to discussing comics with you for a long time to come !!!! Hey, you and Kid Flash feel free to PM or IM me (TheBatman68-as KF well knows) anytime with your own personal Marvel recommendations and maybe even fill me in on the "history" of Marvels (in your opnion) Main Heroes to broaden my horizons. I love comics and always enjoy a good read - we can trade ideas and likes :D

My Best to ALL ;)

kid_flash
01-09-2003, 06:23 PM
Bat-crossovers always work really well as ideas, but suffer from being in too many titles. NO MAN'S LAND worked because it was DESIGNED as a year-long story and designed to explore some nuances about living in such a place.

However, OFFICER DOWN is a fantastic story.....but only if you read the BATMAN, GK, 'TEC, and NIGHTWING issues. All the others were boring and, quite honestly, the story works ten times better with just those parts.

Jade_GL
01-14-2003, 01:51 PM
Crossovers, especially in the last few years, have just been so bad in the DCU, especially Our Owrlds at War. Yes, there were some really cool stories that came out of it. I enjoyed the JSA Our Worlds at War Issue and the Wonder Woman issue, but all in all, lame.

The last crossover I remember actually really loving was No Man's Land. I read it all in TPB form, and it was just great. That's the last one I can say I actually really liked.

Oh, and that Joker's Last Laugh.... That should never have seen the light of day. Just awful all around. I wish I had never bought even one issue of that.

I think crossovers, unless really inspired, generally stink and should not be done. So, I guess I would say no crossovers in the coming year, unless they have a really great story that they need to tell. This goes not only for DC, but for Marvel as well.

Ok, and Wonder Woman, as I said before, needs a total rehaul before it dies a bloated mess. :)