Fox and Crow series

[Cartman]

I'm just curious, but is Fauntelroy Fox supposed to be a gay stereotype? Sometimes he does act like it. For example, at the beginning of Woodman, Spare that Tree, he skips out singing. He does a similar thing in The Fox and the Grapes.

[Matt Yorston]

Originally posted by Cartman
I'm just curious, but is Fauntelroy Fox supposed to be a gay stereotype? Sometimes he does act like it. For example, at the beginning of Woodman, Spare that Tree, he skips out singing. He does a similar thing in The Fox and the Grapes.

Not only that but pay close attention to the scene in "Unsure Runts" (1946) where the Crow tells the Fox to imagine life in a hospital. He tells him about the flowers he'll get and the fox is quite interested ("Flowers??", he asks dreamily). He also is pleased to hear about the fruit he'll receive. But the crow also points out that there will be female nurses waiting on him hand and foot.... but this the Fox doesn't seem to care as much about!!!

My brother, ever since I introduced him to Fox & Crow, has always been convinced the Fox is supposed to be a gay stereotype for several reasons, mainly the ones both you and I observed.

By the way, "Foxy" (as friends call him) also sings at the beginning of "Toll Bridge Troubles".

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Cartman
I'm just curious, but is Fauntelroy Fox supposed to be a gay stereotype? Sometimes he does act like it. For example, at the beginning of Woodman, Spare that Tree, he skips out singing. He does a similar thing in The Fox and the Grapes.


I doubt it, but it's possible... :rolleyes:

After all, the Fox DOES fantasize about women in "The Dream Kids" and "Egg Yegg"...


Thad

[David Gerstein]

Fauntleroy isn't supposed to be gay— it's more like he's supposed to be a combination of cultured, upper-class, and sissified. According to the cliches of the 1940s, this involves some mannerisms that we would today associate with a stereotypical gay caricature. It doesn't mean though that the Fox, uh, prefers male foxes (or crows!).
Note his name, Fauntleroy Fox. The classic 19th century children's book Little Lord Fauntleroy featured a boy hero who was rich, excessively well-mannered and dressed by his parents in a lacy, stylized sailor suit and hat. In the years after the book's release, the character's name came to symbolize pampered little kids, then sissified ones, and finally sissy types in general (even though Fauntleroy in the book was no sissy).

As a side note, though this doesn't apply to the Fox, a shopworn gag in early 20th century pop culture was to dress a character in a Fauntleroy-like jacket and imply that he was expected to behave nicely, then reveal him as a rascal. Some such characters are Buster Brown, Fritz Katzenjammer, and as portrayed in ORPHANS' BENEFIT, Donald Duck (whose sailor suit previously had nothing to do with a Fauntleroy image, but invokes it in this context).

[Pietro]

I was curious about this too when I saw only four or five or the F&Cs at first. But, later I saw that the Fox DOES fantasize about women in a number of F&Cs (including "Deam Kids" and "Egg Yegg" as Thad had mentioned).

I do know for a fact, however, that ol' Foxie isn't gay but he's simply refined which means he has very good manners and has a very upright and proper way of doing things (unless the Crow's around and annoys him constantly). In other words he's more of a gentleman than the Crow. Which is why both characters are portrayed as "rotten" and "refined."

Also, even though this doesn't apply to the actual cartoons, the Fox has a wife in a few of the F&C fanfics that Jon, Jack, Thad, and myself have written.

-Pietro:D

[Pietro]

Looks like David beat me to the reply!:p

-Pietro:D