Batman Beyond Officially Canned

[James Harvey]

Batman Beyond has been officially taken off the Kids'WB! fdall line-up. This was announced in a pressrelease by Kids'WB! released today. The last episode to air on KWB will be September 13th. Don't expect UNMASKED to be aired on KWB. Here's the new schedule:

KIDS' WB! NEW 2001-2002 SCHEDULE (ALL TIMES EASTERN)

SATURDAY

8:00 a.m. POKƒMON: JOHTO LEAGUE CHAMPIONS (New Adventures)
8:30 a.m. CUBIX *
9:00 a.m. JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES
9:30 a.m. THE MUMMY *
10:00 a.m. POKƒMON: JOHTO LEAGUE CHAMPIONS (New Adventures)
10:30 a.m. X-MEN: EVOLUTION
11:00 a.m. THE NIGHTMARE ROOM *
11:30 a.m. YU-GI-OH! *


MONDAY-FRIDAY

3:00 p.m. CARDCAPTORS (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday) / RESCUE HEROES:
GLOBAL RESPONSE TEAM * (Bonus Episodes Wednesday)
3:30 p.m. POKƒMON
4:00 p.m. POKƒMON: THE JOHTO JOURNEYS
4:30 p.m. JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES

* NEW SERIES

Ah well, BB is better on CN.

[I.R Joey]

Crap, stupid people can't they at least give it an honorable death?

[Mr. Eye]

I'm happy for all you americans now that it's on Cartoon Network, but I don't understand why Kids WB took it off so early. It still got good ratings. The should have also aired Unmasked as the their last episode.

Mr. Eye

[Kal-el]

I will forever hate KWB (until JLA is on, then I might like them a little, but I won't be happy about it!)

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by Kal-el
I will forever hate KWB (until JLA is on, then I might like them a little, but I won't be happy about it!)

JLA is on Cartoon Network..NOT KWB (and I think we can all say "SCREW YOU WB!!! HAHAHAHAH" to that)

I now have NO reason at all to watch kids WB! woohoo

-BB

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Mr. Eye
I'm happy for all you americans now that it's on Cartoon Network, but I don't understand why Kids WB took it off so early. It still got good ratings. The should have also aired Unmasked as the their last episode.

Mr. Eye

BB doesn't fit into the KWB's plans of targeting younger audiences. Plus, I seem to recall reading Dini and Timm interested in moving on to other projects--like JLA for Timm.

Plus, the ratings for BB were just "good" this season. they could replace it with any show and it wouldn't harm the ratings much since KWB rides on momentum.

[DisneyBoy]

You know, I never really liked Batman Beyond, and I'll never say that I did, but...(cringe!) it did have a few good moments. As for the whole "Anti Kids WB" thing, well, I don't completely understand why everybody hates them so much. Ok, was it because they had Dini and Timm make TNBA, changing designs and adding Tim Drake (I've never really accepted him as a "Robin")? Was it because of the whole Return of the Joker edits? Was it because Pokemon got so much attention and Bats got snubbed? Was it all of these things?
I really envy American's television programming. Not only do you guys get to see Justice League on Cartoon Network, Batman Beyond and B:TAS, Lois and Clark still airs on the SuperStation! I hope y'all appreciate just how lucky you are to be able to get the He-Man rereleases and Batman, Superman and JL figures first. If I want to see B:TAS, I have to set my vcr to tape at 3:30 in the morning on YTV!!! Grrrr:mad:

[Mr. Eye]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


BB doesn't fit into the KWB's plans of targeting younger audiences. Plus, I seem to recall reading Dini and Timm interested in moving on to other projects--like JLA for Timm.

Plus, the ratings for BB were just "good" this season. they could replace it with any show and it wouldn't harm the ratings much since KWB rides on momentum.

I know I know. That's not what I meant. That was the reason why it was not renewed. If I was WB I would get the most out of a show before shipping it away.

Mr. Eye

[Jowy Blight]

Plus, the ratings for BB were just "good" this season. they could replace it with any show and it wouldn't harm the ratings much since KWB rides on momentum.

True, it better that BB moves to a network that will treat it half-way decent. I only hope Yu-Gi-Oh! rateings take a dive quickly, I'm sick of seeing it commercials.

[Calhoun07]

As sad as it is to see them treat the show so shabbilly, the redeeming element is that at least it's going to a network that will take care of it and give it the attention it deserves. I hope we get to see Unmasked soon on that new network.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

SAID BY DISNEYBOY: Was it all of these things?

DisneyBoy, I'd say yes. KWB is notorious for editing, as in BB, and they also screw up whole episodes, see Cardcaptors Sakura for an example. That's one reason we hate them, they edit things to thier liking or to make sure it's "kid-friendly"- despite the fact the kids may like it better if they did not edit the shows.
We are also angry at KWB because it replaces decent shows like BB, shows that gave the KWB network originality, but they often take them down for another Pokemone eppy-that show as of late is flooding the network. KWB does not listen to fans-a not too smart move-but C. Network does, which is why we praise it.

I suppose the U.S. is lucky in still getting BB and Justice League, yes, but-I don't get C. Network, so you're not alone...

I am not THAT big a fan of BB as well, having only seen a couple of parts of eppys, but I certainly respect it for its maturity and storyline; these are always laudible elements for a show. But those elements are NOT what KWB likes-just little kiddie humor.

[sun]

I don't have cable, maybe this will be the final straw, I knew they would take off BB, just as they took off the others. From their point of view,(if I can think like them , don't want to, just trying to understand them ) they gave BATMAN AND BATMAN BEYOND almost 10 years. To them, that might be more than they wanted.. AS was just said, they don't care about us fans, they care about their needs and wishes only, for More,More, more, (whatever that is) If BB 's ratings were good, well that is not enough. never enough...Just look at what they have taken off, and put in its place....When they take off a show, do they ever explain why? Not that I have seen. Perhaps someone reading this, can say if KWB has ever written a press release saying why, they took off so many of our favs. Or why they took off even one of our favorites. Any one out there know if they have given us reasons for their actions?

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Well, about Batman Beyond, I do believe that it is a shadow of the BTAS series, though it WAS Sat AM *quality* programming. Still, BB's emphasis on action over mood and character (BTAS' winning traits) somewhat turns the show down a notch in my book.

I would like to see another DC hero get a crack at the bat. I challenge any animators to make a GOOD Wonder Woman animated series.

[optimal321]

Well, now what am i gonna do? I still don't have all the BB eps taped, and now i won't be able to see Unmasked. I don't have cable. So i guess i'm going to have to make plans to use someone who does. I'm getting very angry at KWB.:mad:

[James]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
Well, about Batman Beyond, I do believe that it is a shadow of the BTAS series, though it WAS Sat AM *quality* programming. Still, BB's emphasis on action over mood and character (BTAS' winning traits) somewhat turns the show down a notch in my book.

I would like to see another DC hero get a crack at the bat. I challenge any animators to make a GOOD Wonder Woman animated series.

I actually prefer BB to BTAS. Yeah, I live a lonely life on this board, but I found the concept of a future Wayne and his protege more interesting than another interpretation of the Batman legacy - good as it was.

To me, BTAS will unfortunately live forever in the shadow of the movie that inspired it - despite on the whole being better than that said film... BB - to me - will stand alone, as a risky and rewarding concept - special thanks to Conroy and Friedle for pulling off a major coup IMO :D

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by SJJ


I actually prefer BB to BTAS. Yeah, I live a lonely life on this board, but I found the concept of a future Wayne and his protege more interesting than another interpretation of the Batman legacy - good as it was.

To me, BTAS will unfortunately live forever in the shadow of the movie that inspired it - despite on the whole being better than that said film... BB - to me - will stand alone, as a risky and rewarding concept - special thanks to Conroy and Friedle for pulling off a major coup IMO :D

I'm not so high on concepts as I am on depth of characterization and psychology. And I felt BTAS had it in spades, even if the concept was less original. To me, the most unique concept in the world can fall flat because of poor execution, plotting and characterization. Not that BB was in any way poor, but it did not devote as much energy to the internal battles as the physical ones. On the whole, the action battles were probably 5-6 minutes longer in BB, something that I'm not as interested in. An episode like the first part of "Two-Face" would not be created in this day and age.

[James Harvey]

Starting to get mad at KWB? The vast majority of us have been there for quite sometime! As for why KWB axes even well performing shows? Well, it's cheaper to buy from other studios and it's cheaper to just put them in endless reruns.

[Calhoun07]

Yes, like shows from the Korean animators! "Ah! Bear driving car! How can that be?!?" That's the future of KWB!

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Yeah! Back to the days of Turbo Teen!

(Little reminder that stupid concepts are not just a 90s thing)

[GothamGirl]

Why I feel KWB is the scum of the Universe:

In 2 seasons fox made 85 episodes

In 2 seasons KWB made 27 eps. not counting the ones where Batman Guest stared on superman.


Fox cared more

[James]

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo


I'm not so high on concepts as I am on depth of characterization and psychology. And I felt BTAS had it in spades, even if the concept was less original. To me, the most unique concept in the world can fall flat because of poor execution, plotting and characterization. Not that BB was in any way poor, but it did not devote as much energy to the internal battles as the physical ones. On the whole, the action battles were probably 5-6 minutes longer in BB, something that I'm not as interested in. An episode like the first part of "Two-Face" would not be created in this day and age.

That is true, but I knew the story of two face, so what I'm watching is a reinterpretation of that story. I'm not trying to diss BTAS - it is undoubtably the more classy series, however I like to see character's I enjoy (like Wayne) breaking new territory rather than retreading older concepts. That is why I liked BB. It was like catching up with an old friend and seeing how the years had treated him - and what affect his past had upon him.... I loved it - but I do agree with you over the over long fight sequences.

I prefer BB for concept rather than content - and for me that makes for a more enjoyable show.

This isn't a golden rule - I must stress I do not like Spider-Man Unlimited more than the 90's animated series...! :)

Back to my corner....

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by GothamGirl
Why I feel KWB is the scum of the Universe:

In 2 seasons fox made 85 episodes

In 2 seasons KWB made 27 eps. not counting the ones where Batman Guest stared on superman.


Fox cared more

Well, it has nothing to do with "caring," but with economics. KWB picked up the entire Fox package, and so didn't need to order as many shows to "freshen" the series. Fox needed 85 episodes as a foundation.

If the show had started on KWB and moved to Fox, the same thing would have happened, probably: 85 eps on KWB, and only 20+ on Fox.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Economics and scheduling. It came hot off the successful Batman movie(s) so it had quite a bit of money thrown at it. Fox wanted to put BTAS in daily syndication, and it needed a large amount of episodes to do so. It doesn't take as many episodes now, but back in the day, they wanted more than 20 episodes if it was going to go daily.

[sun]

Originally posted by GothamGirl
Why I feel KWB is the scum of the Universe:

In 2 seasons fox made 85 episodes

In 2 seasons KWB made 27 eps. not counting the ones where Batman Guest stared on superman.


Fox cared more

Not only did Fox put on BATS for more eps, it also allowed Tiny toons to go on, Animaniacs to be put one, and one furter point. I have tapes of same shows played on Fox, KWB. The sound that Fox sent out over its network was fuller and clearer. Now that one is hard to believe. But recordings from the same show prove it. GothamGirl is correct.

[Vigo Sprax]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Yes, like shows from the Korean animators! "Ah! Bear driving car! How can that be?!?" That's the future of KWB!

Most cartoons, or at least a large portion, are made in Korea or other cheap countries. Just because its made in Korea doesn't mean its not an American cartoon. Heck, Clerks actually was animated in Korea.

[GothamGirl]

Thank you oldtoonguy