Birds of Prey "Three Birds and a Baby" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Barb Gordon]

So you're still hanging in there? Perhaps you just joined the audience, or there's nothing better on? The new Birds of Prey episode, "Three Birds and a Baby", will be on tonight...same bat time, same bat channel (sorry, couldn't resist!)


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Episode Summary

When Helena (Ashley Scott) rescues an abandoned baby boy and brings him back to the Clocktower, Barbara (Dina Meyer) and Dinah (Rachel Skarsten) try to help, but to everyone’s surprise, the baby, Elliott, is only happy when Helena is holding him. Even more surprising is the fact that Elliott wakes up from his nap as a walking, talking 5-year-old and is soon a teenager (guest star Riley Smith). Now in a race against time, the Birds of Prey discover that Elliot is programmed to live his entire life in three days, and to kill the first person he attaches to, putting Helena in grave danger. Shemar Moore, Ian Abercrombie and Mia Sara also star. Craig Zisk directed the episode written by David H. Goodman & Julie Hess (#103).

Remember to check out GCT for those little spoiler tidbits if you so choose, and let's get those VCR's ready to go!

~Barb

[JohnCrichton]

I'm boycotting the show 'til Tim Drake or Dick Grayson show up.

:p

[JohnStewart-GL]

Originally posted by JohnCrichton
I'm boycotting the show 'til Tim Drake or Dick Grayson show up.

:p
Id do the same but if we all boycott the show it wont get good ratings and if it doesnt get good ratings it'll get cancelled then theres no chance at ALL we'll see them appear. I say if its renewed for a second season we could at least see Dick. Anyway this ep doesn't sound to good hopefully it'll surprise me.

[JohnCrichton]

How cool would that be for the show to get a Angel-esque spin-off staring Dick and Tim... call it Bludhaven Knights!

[The Guard]

Just finished watching it. To quote Mark Hamill:

"HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

[Yuss]

Wow, for the first time, I've actually kind of enjoyed this show. The fight scenes were a little better (still not-good, though). The CGI flythroughs were as rampant as ever, but at least they varied a little. The plot was somehow original compared to previous episodes. I just might get into this show.

Still needs work, though. I'm sure they'll get it down by the end of this season.

The worst part was definitely Helena's speech to Guy (which reminds me of the second worst part: the Birds choosing a name for the baby... "GUY"?!) in the park. That just screamed lameness and such. Oh well.

***1/2

~B+:

[BeyondGotham]

I think this is the best yet....some of the best lines...fighting...everyting...

The best line:

*Alfred: Yes it does seem I've spent most of my life raising Children...and others.

And the best scene..Babs kicks butt in her chair..that was awesome!!

I can't wait until next week...

[JTurner954]

Another good episode. I really have nothing bad to say about it except that I wish there was more to the episode than just having the kid grow fast and Harley saying "get him". I didn't notice any recycled rooftop scenes or cheesy dialogue so I liked it even more. 4 stars.

As a Batman fan, it makes me very angry and sad to see people with Batman-related avatars and screen names bashing Batman-related shows (seems like an increasing trend lately).

- JTurner954 (Loyal Batman fan no matter what).

[Patrick Bateman]

*cough* LAME *cough*

I'm getting so sick of these Full House-esque "I know how you feel, but we can overcome anything if we believe in ourselves" bullcrap every week. Come on, this show should be called "Birds of 7th Heaven".

But, I will be tuning in next week, Just so I can see the REAL Black Canary kick Helena's ass. :D

[Patrick Bateman]

As a Batman fan, it makes me very angry and sad to see people with Batman-related avatars and screen names bashing Batman-related shows (seems like an increasing trend lately).
But this show ISN'T a Batman show. It's just a teen drama which is using DC Comics characters and likenesses to lure in more viewers and make it stand out from other shows.

I'm a loyal Batman fan to the end, but I won't sing the praises of a show that claims to be "the next chapter of the Batman legacy", all the while spitting on the legacy they speak of.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Batman Year One
*cough* LAME *cough*

I'm getting so sick of these Full House-esque "I know how you feel, but we can overcome anything if we believe in ourselves" bullcrap every week. Come on, this show should be called "Birds of 7th Heaven".

But, I will be tuning in next week, Just so I can see the REAL Black Canary kick Helena's ass. :D

The REAL Black Canary? I'd hardly call her that...for one thing, she doesn't even have the same name...I think it's Caralyn on the show...and another thing...well...that's all I can think of. I'm going to watch it and I'll probably enjoy this, but it's stupid that they changed her name.

[Patrick Bateman]

I know, but what I meant was at least she's an adult and they actually call her Canary. And she has the Canary Cry. But you're right, I'd much rather have Black Carary be Dinah Lance.

[Jedigreedo]

It wasn't bad, definitely better than last episode.

Some things I found alot of trouble with:
-What made the kid a metahuman? If all his stuff was genetically engineered...
-Reese can track down Huntress, nice, so what's stopping him from tracking her to the Clock Tower?
-I wish they'd stop saying "Mister J"...
-Again, they wrote Alfred as if it was Gough playing him.
-From the conversations with Alfred it sounds like in BoP he raised Bruce from a baby, and also no mention of him helping raise Tim Drake and Dick Grayson? (Dunno about Jason Todd)
-Can we get any type of mask???
-Does Reese make it a practice to just let someone waltz in and tamper with evidence just because he's seen her in her bra? :eek:
-Not really something I found wrong but rather funny was the scientist needed a gun with a laser on it even when he's got the gun about a foot away. ;)

Like I said though, definitely a better episode than last week's. And this time we got to see Barb take a guy down with a very cool toy. :D 3 1/2 stars.

[Joker85]

I was actually pleasantly surprised by this episode. I really enjoyed it and I wasn't sure I would. It had its flaws but it was a big improvement over last weeks. Just to get my few complaints out of the way first:
Dinah, what the crap are you there for? You didn't even help out in the fight, you just stood there! The woman in the WHEELCHAIR kicked more but than you! Ugh.
CGI, Alfreds opening, and some cheesy lines.
Ok, now on to the positive.
The plot was actually pretty original, well acted and thought out. All the actors playing Guy were good, and the fight scenes with him and Helena were great. Also, the motherly side of Helena was a nice side to see for once. And her scenes with Reese weren't as annoying this week. Babs was once again perfect,but I never can find fault with her! ;) It was nice to see Alfred in this one. He reminds me alot of Michael Gough. Harley was a highlight for me. Mia Sara is getting more and more into her character, and I like it. Her references to Joker were cool as were the lines about their family. Now that she's aware that Huntress is out there somewhere and vice versa, things will start picking up. And when she snapped that guys neck! :eek: Don't mess with her! I give this episode 4 stars. Next weeks looks awesome! :)

[Patrick Bateman]

From the conversations with Alfred it sounds like in BoP he raised Bruce from a baby, and also no mention of him helping raise Tim Drake and Dick Grayson? (Dunno about Jason Todd)
Well, they tried to raise Jason. :rolleyes: That kid was far more trouble than he was worth.

[JTurner954]

That really hurts, Year One. Read my post again. I said Batman-RELATED. They use Batman-RELATED characters and said it is "the next chapter in the Batman legacy"; therefore, it is a Batman-RELATED show.

-A true fan

[BeyondGotham]

From the conversations with Alfred it sounds like in BoP he raised Bruce from a baby, and also no mention of him helping raise Tim Drake and Dick Grayson? (Dunno about Jason Todd)

They didn't have to mention them... He said that he spent most of his life raiseing kids... and others...

[Patrick Bateman]

That really hurts, Year One. Read my post again. I said Batman-RELATED. They use Batman-RELATED characters and said it is "the next chapter in the Batman legacy"; therefore, it is a Batman-RELATED show.
Sorry, but I'm entitled to my own opinion of the show. I've got nothing negative against you, and by no means meant to put you down. I simply just typed my honest thoughts on the show. People insult shows that I like all the time, but they're just insulting the show, not me for liking it. That's all I've done.

[The Guard]

The Alfred intro must go. Granted, Batman looks cool, but since when was Catwoman a "queen of the criminal underworld." And is there a reason that at the end of the credits, Batgirl is there for the hand pile instead of Oracle?

So...a baby falls off a catwalk, and Huntress just happens to be there.

The fighting in the first scene was pathetic. Nothing but people whirling their arms around. You fight like that against two men with knives, and you'll get two knives in the back.

Can Barbara do anything except hack into the INSERT NAME database?

Helena has clearly never held a sack of screaming cats. Because she would realize that the baby was BARELY making noise compared to what babies can do.

Was it that much trouble to have...oh...I don't know...Barbara breastfeed the baby or something?

Well. We got the same damn CGI shots, but at least one was added. I've started calling one of them "the waffle shot". If these are going to be recurrent, I'd like to at least be able to SEE some of the buildings.

"Genetically engineered baby" Good plan, Dr. Quinzel! Top notch in fact! God forbid you get an army of organized crime together. It's so much more malevolent to hire inept metahumans to do...nothing in particular.

The whole idea of a genetic baby assassin is so sad I can't begin to explain how sad it is. First, babies cannot be "genetically engineered" to learn to talk. Babies learn to talk through MONTHS, sometimes YEARS of watching people and imitating them. And fighting takes training. You don't learn to fight like that. It takes your muscles learning, and strengthening, much like playing baseball or another sport. If the muscles aren't used to it, you can't fight like that.

I'm going to make a prediction. I've had suspicions since...oh, since the pilot. Here goes: Reese is a metahuman.

Is it me, or did Barbara say "Helena" over Huntress's radio. I hope Reese didn't hear that. Then again, he'd probably just overlook it.

Constant music in the background does not work well for BIRDS OF PREY. Actually, the music on BOP does not work at all.

Was anyone surprised this kid was a metahuman? And does Barbara do anything but discover that people are metahumans? No, that's right, she doesn't.

THREE MEN IN A BABY plus JACK plus THE BOURNE IDENTITY=Another lame plot.

Dinah doesn't notice a four year old turn into a 13 year old until it's too late?

Which brings up another point. Dinah is useless. Does it really take psychic powers to see a gun being loaded in front of you?

I guarantee that Dina Meyer is responsible for the use of escrima sticks.

"Faster then a speeding bullet"
(Getting tired of the throwaway superhero jokes)

And BAM! Suddenly there's a remote control.

I think at that age the kid would be more worried about sex then a Birthday. But no, the writers completely overlooked that aspect.

Once again, Dinah is useless. Just useless. She used her powers in the last episode to drop a metahuman, but can't stop an inexperienced teenager with the same methods?

Fight scene number three: Guy's fighting was the most realistic we've seen so far, and it was more or less boxing. THe rest of the fighting...too much of Huntress trying (and failing) to be Blade. I mean...she jumps off a jungle gym, goes into slow-mo...and kicks Guy?

"Because the battle you should be fighting isn't between us. It's inside you. You can fight what's in your nature, Guy, I know it. I know how hard it is to choose not to hurt. But to love instead."

ACKKK!

Someone whose brain is more or less tuned to KILL would not listen to Huntress's little speech. Just wouldn't happen. There is a chip controlling him.

Don't the so-called mercenaries have guns?

DISNEY would not have touched the ending with a ten foot pole. It was so loaded with sap, so much...bad acting.

"I wish for you to be happy. Because that's what you gave me."

ACKKK!

I didn't believe for a second the "attachments" between Guy and the BOP.

Mercenaries that fail do not return and sit on a couch to be killed.

Helena doesn't look sad at the end. She looks bored. Like she always does.

Oh, and the candle on the cupcake must have been a metahuman. Because it didn't melt at all in a span of...what must have been a few hours.

Just when you think the "three girls at the Clocktower" ending will be changed just once, Huntress steps into frame. Yay.

[JohnStewart-GL]

Pretty good episode. A definate improvement over
the last one. Dinah was less annoying here but she was rather useless in this ep too. I think next weeks ep should be the best and could hook me into the show. Im not going to lag on and on about my problems with the show because most of them i (as well as countless others) have mentioned before.

[Russkafin]

I apologize if I missed something... but at the end, Oracle says something about how Helena saw a woman at the club riot, but she didn't get a good look at her face... and from that, they conclude that there is some kind of mastermind behind all their troubles.

A.) When did Helena see Harley at the club?

B.) Why didn't she see Harley's face?

C.) How does seeing a woman there and not seeing her face mean someone is behind everything that's wrong in New Gotham?

Again, I apoligize if I misunderstood Oracle or if I missed a key part of the episode, but that part really left me scratching my head.

And Barb - no offense, but I miss oggling at your old, hot avatar! :D

[Stardust]

I thought it was ok. But then again, I did watch this after cramming for hours on this one midterm that I failed anyway, so I felt completely drained and decided to let BOP entertain me.

Ugh. Dinah does bother me, it bothers me that Dinah is played by a 17-year old that looks constipated all the time. Boy, did that psychic ability kick in or what? "It's a trap!" no DUH. She's so good at this psychic thing that she should start a psychic hotline.

If they're going to call Helena "Huntress", at least get some kind of cover for the girl's face! No mask, no gloves to cover up fingerprints, whoa! Huntress is Helena? nooooooooooooooo. If there's no mask for the girl, they ought to drop her nickname and just keep on calling her Helena, because it's going to get pretty obvious if some girl is playing vigilante and you can see her face. Uh, the eye changing bit doesn't count as a disguise. Oh yeah, and a trenchcoat with leather pants don't count as a costume, either, if you wear that all the time for normal wear. I'm just waiting for someone to recognize her!!

Other than those gripes, I liked Barb kick butt. Guy was cute when he got to be a teenager (like, 17 maybe?) Whoever played him during that park scene looked familiar. It was bittersweet. :) and i like sap! :D

[JTurner954]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you read the episode summary before watching the show?? Perhaps that has something to do with the enjoyment (or lack of) of the episode (I personally don't read spoilers).

[Naraht]

this was only my 2nd BoP...

so the evil chick was Harley Quinn?

Nani?



I like it better than Smallville...@least they're trying to be superheroish, not just High School superpower love fest...

I dunno.


I'll take my Spiderman over either show anyday. There's a TV show that would pull in ratings.

[Jedigreedo]

Originally posted by The Guard
Helena has clearly never held a sack of screaming cats. Because she would realize that the baby was BARELY making noise compared to what babies can do.

I think it was just meant as an inside joke related to Catwoman...


Originally posted by The Guard
Was it that much trouble to have...oh...I don't know...Barbara breastfeed the baby or something?

I think she would've have had to of been pregnant in order to do that, but I don't think we should get into specifics on something like that since it would go way off topic and also since probably just shouldn't on the board...k.


Originally posted by The Guard
Which brings up another point. Dinah is useless. Does it really take psychic powers to see a gun being loaded in front of you?

The gun loading was a mental image of what he had done before they arrived and that's why she said it was a trap.


Originally posted by JTurner954
Another good episode. I really have nothing bad to say about it except that I wish there was more to the episode than just having the kid grow fast and Harley saying "get him". I didn't notice any recycled rooftop scenes or cheesy dialogue so I liked it even more. 4 stars.

As a Batman fan, it makes me very angry and sad to see people with Batman-related avatars and screen names bashing Batman-related shows (seems like an increasing trend lately).

- JTurner954 (Loyal Batman fan no matter what).

I'd say I was a loyal fan too, as are everyone else is that is that big of a fan of it. We're entitled to our opinions though, you see it's WB's handling and the plot holes and such that we're pointing out. I wouldn't say that many people are outright just dissing it but rather pointing stuff that they thought was wrong and could be made better to make the show more enjoyable.

Just because someone has an opinion that doesn't praise a specific thing in Batman, doesn't mean they aren't a loyal fan. We're giving Birds of Prey a chance, just like everything else gets a chance, and being loyal is giving it a chance to better. If you find no fault in the show, then that's your opinion, and you can have your opinion, I'm not gonna tell you otherwise, although I have something to say if you try to ram it down my throat, or anyone else's.

[The Guard]

The gun loading was a mental image of what he had done before they arrived and that's why she said it was a trap.

She still turned out to be useless.

[Jedigreedo]

Yeah I know, you'd think she could've gotten something the baby may have picked up from being in those labs, true the baby wouldn't of understood anything, but it still would've picked it up in it's memory.

[Barb Gordon]

Yes, that lady is Harley Quinn. Rather, she's Harleen Quinzel, who most people know is Harley Quinn. She has yet to be that other half in this series, though the Harley traits, like killing and loving Mr.J are obvious. As for the episode, I was left with this should I like, should I not sort of feeling. All around I ended with liking this episode, probably more then the last one, yet there were a few things that just didn't seem right, or were downright lame. The biggest being that the project was obviously a waste of a lot of money if he could be talked into being good! It was better then I thought it would be given the episode basic theme "someone going from super young, to super old". Some of the somber moments with Huntress were a bit much and made me want to gag. I'm still not all that fun with the Dinah character. She's so flat and uninteresting, I really wish they'd do something more with her. I hope next episode will be more promising, I mean it has Black Canary in it, so it's gotta be somewhat good!

~Barb

[Ruffian]

I enjoyed this episode, therefore I liked it. :)

It had it's sappy moments, but some of them were good. I liked Huntress's talk with Guy about not killing people, even bad people. The power and responsibility reasoning ain't new, but I like how she added that not using power responsibly he would in turn be just like the ones who are bad. I also liked the characterization in Huntress in this episode. We see more humanity in her and the trust and gratefulness for Barbara because Barbara never gave up on her.

My favorite part of the show was when Barbara whipped out that stick and kicked some butt. That was really cool and unexpected. :D

[LadyM]

I enjoyed it. Definitely better dialogue and action scenes than previous episodes.

I half expected this to turn into some sort of weird Guy Gardner (Green Lantern/Warrior) connection since a) Mr. Gardner's name is GUY, b) he always enjoyed a good fight, and c) he always had an uncontrollable temper. (The difference between B and C being that lots of superheroes enjoy beating down supervillains, but Guy often ended up fighting his own teammates due to his temper.)

Of course, the kid died at the end so . . . I guess not. Too bad. Personally, I think that would've been kind of a neat twist. Kind of makes me wonder why they did name him Guy. I mean . . . it's not exactly a common name.

My other theory was that Harley had somehow created a baby who would grow into a full-grown clone of the Joker. (Of course, she would've had to halt the aging process after the kid grew up, or it would be a full-grown but DEAD clone of the Joker. ^_~) Wouldn't that have been interesting? Imagine Oracle's inner turmoil--an innocent child, but also someone genetically manipulated to mimic her greatest enemy in form and mental (in)stability.

Anyway . . . yeah. I especially got a kick out of the "instant teenager" thing. "You don't know me! You don't know me! I hate you!" Heh heh. ^_^

~LM~

[czyznyck99]

Well, I actually thought this episode was okay. I finally saw some character in the Huntress.

But next week's should be fine.

Later.

[Justice League 2000]

this was a good episode. that sad that the boy age faster and died. :(

[Stupendous Man]

I have high hopes for this show ...but I too am getting pretty
frustrated with the sentimental preaching.

"love can overcome Helena .."

Its innapropriate and leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding this show.

Its obvious this show is written by people who have very little knowledge or love of the Comic Books or Batman.

When have you ever heard anyone in a comic book refer to themselves as Superheroes?. They dont.

The writers should really read dixons original run on Birds of Prey, and learn how the characters relate to each other - how they speak to each other.

The dialogue on this show is horrendous - its really detracting from a show that has a stron premise and an impressive look and feel.

[MatchesMalone]

I really want this show to get better. I really, really want to like this show. It's Batman(sorta)...for gosh sakes!

I'm not wild at all about Harleen Quinzel. I know that if she acted like the animated version it probably wouldn't work too well. She certainly couldn't seem like a competent, evil "supervillian." However, Harley has always had a sweet and innocent side to her that makes the character enduring despite her helping the Joker. This isn't Harley in BOP. She's not trying to win affection or is being duped into evil by the Joker...she's just plain evil. Not Harley. They just slapped the name on her for the fans...she's nothing like Harley, characterwise.

How did Reese track down Huntress??? Whaaa?

I did enjoy Babs taking down the thug from her wheelchair. That was pretty cool.

Huntress needs to hide her identity somehow. I know they want to stay away from masks (which doesn't make sense given the pilot episode flashbacks and the weekly intro) but it's starting to get ridiculous how non-incognito she is.

Reese needs a personality.

I'd also love to hear/see many more references to the "old days" when Batman was in full-force.

[Stupendous Man]

This show is definitely walking a fine line between
brilliant and absolute crap.

Im afraid if they dont get rid of this "7th heavan" triteness
soon it may be too late to save the show.

I definitely do not look forward to this show the way I look
forward to Smallville.

Even Smallville , which is about a teenager (not an adult like Huntress), doesnt lapse into this immature morality play that
BOP seems trapped in.

[JohnStewart-GL]

Originally posted by Naraht
this was only my 2nd BoP...

so the evil chick was Harley Quinn?

Nani?



I like it better than Smallville...@least they're trying to be superheroish, not just High School superpower love fest...

I dunno.


I'll take my Spiderman over either show anyday. There's a TV show that would pull in ratings.
Now THATS a show id watch over and over. im glad im not the only one here who isn't into Smallville.

[Outlander00]

The show will keep getting better, and this ep shows it. the first couple of episodes were awkward and its because everyone behind the show were still feeling it out. Now it seems the writers, directors, and even the actors seem to be comfortable in where the show is going. this was a rather interesting (and enjoyable) episode and want to see more (and more of Huntress ;) ). Now, if they only put more money in production values, and slip in Our favorite junior knights here and there... It would be more awsome! :)

[The Penguin]

Overall I actually really enjoyed this one. Some parts of it got a bit stupid, but this was definately the best one yet.

I'm really not bothered that much by Dinah. She's an awkward teenager and I'm not surprised she gets on some people's nerves. Every character has a role to play and that is hers. I think she will eventually grow out of it.

I guess I like Alfred and I'm still hoping we see him more in the future. I think Ian Abercrombie is doing a good job with the faithful butler and Michael Gough never really enters my mind other than the two Englishmen have the role in common.

"Guy" was kind of a silly name to give the baby, but I really liked Helena trying to 'raise' the young man as he kept getting older and older. By far the part I liked the best was when Guy was a teenager and he hated Helena, it provided some interesting moments. I''ll admit the speech she gave him in the park was a bit cliche, but at the same time her heart was in the right place and it was nice seeing her connect with the boy.

The fact that Harley created him to kill and he lives for only a few days got lamer and lamer (is that a word?). Batman has weird things like this happen (think Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy), but it was still too much for me. I just hope we get a "normal" villain at some point.

I did like how Guy stopped fighting Helena and listened to her was a nice way to show him becoming more than his original programming


- The Penguin (guy who always likes Batman, but not all the time)

[Good Ol' Batmanuel!]

Not a great episode, but I'd say it's my favorite one so far. Helena getting Guy to fight his instincts so quickly was a little convenient, but they only had so much time left in the episode, anyway! :p This one had a nice bit of character development for Helena, which was good.

I really hope this show lasts, because it has huge potential!

[Dark_Batman89]

I liked this episode. Y'know I thought they'd call Guy Bruce! Helena could be a very good mother. Pretty cool fight scenes. I want to see more live action Bat-scenes. The question I'm really asking is.... will Batman ever return to New Gotham? Oh and wat's the deal with a bat flying at the end of last episode?