Batman Beyond "Final Cut" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

Discuss this classic Batman Beyond episode!


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Episode #30 - Final Cut
Original Airdate - February 5th, 2000.

Bruce is out of town (and contact) when Curaré returns to Gotham. Terry must get help from Max to put a halt to Curaré and her lethal bomb.

Comments?

[Cyber E.]

I understand this is a kids show and everything, but I still can't believe how badly Curare misses when she attempts to stab Max. A good fake-out I'll admit, but still. Wow.

[superfreak]

This episode features an awesome fight scene between Batman and Curaré, and the plot one of the better ones. I gave it five stars

[Cere]

Originally posted by Cyber E.

Episode #30 - Final Cut
Original Airdate - February 5th, 2000.
Bruce is out of town (and contact) when Curaré returns to Gotham. Terry must get help from Max to put a halt to Curaré and her lethal bomb.

Curare didn't have a lethal bomb. Mutro (spelling?) planted the bomb.

What can I say? The episode was disappointing for me, mainly because I wanted to see Curare team up with Batman to take down the Society of Assassins! I wanted to see info about Curare's past! Oh well, there's always fanfiction.

The plot was interesting. It had some nice twists and a good usage of Max (Max-haters hate this episode, a little forewarning). The fight scene at the end doesn't compare to their fight in "Touch of Curare", but there is the awesome visual of Curare running at Batman, dodging batarangs (a couple of which hit her cape) and jumping from suspended artifact to suspended artifact.

[Bleu Unicorn]

Compared to "A Touch of Curaré," I found this episode very disappointing. The fight scene doesn't live up to the original one. Though it was kind of neat that Terry got to see her face. His reaction is absolutely priceless! And just so in character, it actually reminds me of Tim's reaction to Ivy's plant men in "Chemistry" -- though, not at that level of grossness, it just reminds me of it.

Oik, I'm not a Max-hater, but I'm also not a Max-lover. And she is just annoying in this episode. I'm sorry there's no other way to put it.

I always wondered what happened to Curaré after this episode. I could see her killing off a lot of the Assassins, but still...did she ever get caught? She was the best? But...I still wonder.

Mediocre, but not terrible, I'll give it 4 stars.

[The Penguin]

Tonight at 6 p.m. ET Cartoon Network airs the Batman Beyond episode, Final Cut. Here is your official talkback thread and the episode synopsis.


http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/beyond/episodes/FinalCut/finalcut6.jpg Batman Beyond#30 - Final Cut
Story by Hilary J. Bader and Alan Burnett - Teleplay by Hilary J. Bader - Directed by Butch Lukic
Original Airdate - February 5th, 2000.
Bruce is out of town (and contact) when Curaré returns to Gotham. Terry must get help from Max to put a halt to Curaré and her lethal bomb.

[The Old Maid]

Strong animation but the plot has its flaws (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=1577). Among the unanswered questions of the episode are :

1. Why does Curare mindwipe her colleagues? Why didn't she murder them?

2. If she's that good, why wasn't she in charge of the Society?

3. How did a woman from an insular culture in the North Sahara (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?postid=438679#post438679) meet these multicultural moneygrubbers, and why'd she choose to work with them in the first place? Do they have something on her?

4. Did Terry breathe her Lethe gas? (It would certainly explain why he was so clueless that day. He "forgot" how to do basic tracking techniques ; I do not accept the excuse that Bruce forgot to teach him.)

5. How would Terry have handled this incident alone?

Notice how Terry tolerates the Tim Curry character's accusation that Batman "made" Curare be bad and is now "making" her become worse. Shriek used this same argument. Sort of, "I have the right to murder someone if I want to, and you took away my rights! How dare you!" Maybe Terry should confront these delusional liars once in a while. Bruce didn't, and it cost him a lot of false police chases.

Terry could have dazzled us in this episode, but instead he spends most of his time brawling while Max coaches him about how to do his job. Basically Terry has only tackled a case, alone, in maybe five episodes. "Shriek" and "ROTJ" are the most obvious, followed by "Last Resort" and "Babel" (which wasn't a case). There are a few more, but usually Terry needs help. This episode, though, makes me wonder how Terry feeds and dresses himself. It also makes me wonder if Bruce would have gone out of town if he knew Terry was struggling this badly.

We really should have seen Curare again. Lots of unfinished business there.

[Anarky]

"What can I say? The episode was disappointing for me, mainly because I wanted to see Curare team up with Batman to take down the Society of Assassins! I wanted to see info about Curare's past! Oh well, there's always fanfiction."

Curare would never work w/ Terry. He's the one who stopped her. He's the reason the Society was after her. So after eliminating the Society, her last target would be the Bat.

I actually liked this one.

however it was terribly out of character to have Curare lobotimize her comrades. if this were an hbo/showtime program, she would've sliced thru them.

i'm going out on a weak branch here but i can see why the producers gave terry a confidante in max. though he had bruce, terry needed a peer to completely ground him. i'm just glad they didn't make her an official sidekick a la Gear :rolleyes:

yes, max can be intrusive and stubborn
but these are the same characteristics that made lois lane so lovable over the years. so why diss on max for basically being lois lane? also, bear in mind that max is a gotham girl, meaning city girls are tougher, bolder, and braver than your average woman. they're not as sheltered as suburban or coutry girls. don't think so? if you're from the sticks, try hitting on a city girl. she'll destroy you.

[Mynd Hed]

I liked this episode, it had some good fight scenes and two good villains. Yes, Max was annoying, (and yes, I suppose I am a "Max hater") but she was also bearable... with one exception. When she and Terry go bomb-hunting, she stays in her civvies! What the wild blooming FUDGE?! Now, I'm not saying Terry should hook her up with the Batgirl suit or anything... that would definitely not be cool without Bruce's say-so. But she should at least have worn a ski mask so as not to be recognized. Seriously, exactly how hard would it be to figure out Batman's secret identity once someone sees him hanging around with this dumb chick?
Other than that one gripe, good episode.

Overall Grade: B+

[D.Shaffer]

Originally posted by The Old Maid

1: Why does Curare mindwipe her colleagues? Why didn't she murder them?
2: If she's that good, why wasn't she in charge of the Society?
3: How did a woman from an insular culture in the North Sahara meet these multicultural moneygrubbers, and why'd she choose to work with them in the first place? Do they have something on her
1: CAuse you cant go around killing people on screen on network TV quite yet. If you want an in show rationale, you could consider leaving someone a mindless vegetable as a 'fate worse then death'. My only complaint about this is it mostly seems an easy way to take out superassasins without expending the budget for a massive fight with each character. You'd think they'd DODGE anything she threw at them.
2: Didnt have the ambition or will? Not the first time those with the ability took the lead from those with the initiative.
3: Who says she's from the middle east? Even if the source you pointed to was legit, it doesnt mean she necessarily came from that culture, she could have adapted it for personal reasons or just because she liked their mystique (If any)

[AlienX]

does the society of assasins have anything to do with the society in b tas ras al gual was a part of