Adult Swim Action DID cut off Inuyasha's and other OPenings permananetly!

[Masha]

I don't know about you guys, but I am so angry!!! Intact and original openings was one of the best things that attacted me to Adult Swim, and now they are turning it into Toonami with its stupid clips/openings all over again! I personally will email to Adult Swim producers and complain, and to those who do like original openings over Toonami-like openings I suggest you do the same! Otherwise Adult Swim will first assume that we either like their clips/like openings or don't care about original openings, and will cut them off permanantly and from other new shows as well! Even with intact openings and endings Anime episode is about 23 min max. More than enough for 3 commercial breaks!
Besides, the same thing could happen to Adult Swim as to Toonami, first the openings, then no new shows, and quality is gone! If you care then do something!!!!
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Adult Swim email
AdultSwim@turner.com (http://)

[KingKoopa]

I knew it would be like this. From this point on, I will download anime in place of watching it on AS. I have no purpose for such a disgrace to anime fans.

Yu Yu Hakusho is the ONLY anime I will watch on Adult Swim from this point on, unless CN tells FUNi to cut the intro from those tapes as well. Inu-Yasha is now on my "DOWNLOAD THIS" list, although I'll download it as well.

Don't complain to CN. What we need to do is contact the advertisers. Tell them that we won't watch Adult Swim because of this, and advise them to stop supporting a block that claims to cater to anime fans or adults in general. If we can cut off their advertising because of this act, they have no choice but to act.

Advertisments that aired during Inu-Yasha:
Superman: Shadow of Apokalypse (Infogrames/DC Comics)
1-800-CALL-ATT
Butterfinger
The Sims - EA Games
NEXT - PS2

It looks to me like it's all advertiser-based. They cut the schedule listing before the show returns. If advertisers stop supporting AS because of this, they'll have no choice but to return the ads.

[Skynet2029]

omg im so pissed off man i like seeing original openings/english versions of the themes :mad: whats their email?

[Masha]

Well, I don't know about you but I won't be watching endless re-runs of Outlaw Star, Gundams, and Cowboy Bebop if I can't see the original openings, and speaking of censuring Adult Swim still haven't shown episode 23 of Outlaw Star. What relaxing of censuring are you speaking of?

[Achika]

This stinks. I suppose I'll have to download Inuyasha second intro someplace to see what it's like. Anyone know where I could find it?

[Skynet2029]

sweet we still got YYH theme

[Killtacular]

I knew it would be like this. From this point on, I will download anime in place of watching it on AS. I have no purpose for such a disgrace to anime fans.

I hope that was sarcastic.

The OPs are nice, but they're not crucial to the plot of the story, nor do they serve a purpose other than crediting the people that worked on the show(which the end credits do anyway), and look pretty.

Nice to know you combat this by breaking the law. I get mad when our local candy store takes Sour Patch Kids off the shelf, but that doesn't mean I go to a neighboring store with a gun and rob them blind.


Don't complain to CN. What we need to do is contact the advertisers. Tell them that we won't watch Adult Swim because of this, and advise them to stop supporting a block that claims to cater to anime fans or adults in general. If we can cut off their advertising because of this act, they have no choice but to act.

Threaten to boycott the advertisers, and all they'll do is go elsewhere. You think they give a crap about Adult Swim? Adult Swim is a tiny speck in the universe of adult television to them.

[NewLib]

The reason I think they got rid of the opening is well it was turning adults off of the show... I mean come on the opening looks like it is aimed at the Toonami audience with its music and some of the parts of it. WS was just worried that this would scare away more watchers than do any good...

[Will Sturnick]

I don't why but I makes me mad too. I enjoy seeing/hearing the opening themes. And the clip openings are just stupid. I guess lots of people will be deprieved of Inuyasha's 2nd and 3rd opening thmes "I am" and "Owarinai Yume", which are both awesome opening themes.

[Killtacular]

Silly nothing. They don't want to PAY for their anime.

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by nothing
the correct term is censoring.

They are not censoring anything! It's just a theme song! It's not like they pulled a DBZ and cut a whole character and remove references to the afterlife.


Originally posted by Matt Wilson
The OPs are nice, but they're not crucial to the plot of the story, nor do they serve a purpose other than crediting the people that worked on the show(which the end credits do anyway), and look pretty.

I thought I was the only one who thought that. Sure, I'll miss "Tank!", but that's about it.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by nothing
this is funny. worrying if scenes with blood will be edited and then the uproar over the show opening. this is televised anime... this isn't like watching a dvd.

it seems like they have relaxed their editing standards, but no... it's not appreciated. instead, everyone has their underwear in a tear because the show doesn't have the original opening.

wow. The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami. We KNOW they have them. We KNOW they're holding back. I see no reason to watch Adult Swim if they're going to hold back PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE material without even ACKNOWLEDGING their reasoning behind it.

We have a right to be pissed about this. This is completely unjustified.

[GPietrash]

"I don't know why, but it makes me mad too"?

Stop being so reactionary. Yeah, the openings are great and all that, but I would rather have those removed than have edits made during the show for time. Boycotting AS is a bit extreme. Maybe you should watch a show for it's content, rather than the 30 second snippet at the beginning.

[Cyporiean]

Originally posted by nothing
this is funny. worrying if scenes with blood will be edited and then the uproar over the show opening. this is televised anime... this isn't like watching a dvd.

it seems like they have relaxed their editing standards, but no... it's not appreciated. instead, everyone has their underwear in a tear because the show doesn't have the original opening.

wow.

I agree with you, all these people *****ing and moaning about nothing.

Big Freaken deal. You want see the opening? then download the opening and play it before you start watching each episode!

Or buy the DVD!

Hell, when I watch my DVDs I always skip over the opening/closing/next ep preview. Its not that big of a deal.

[Arxane]

As much as I don't like the fact that Adult Swim nixed the openings, as much as I feel they brought a sense of maturity to Adult Swim, I am not going to be bothered by this to the point where I complain* about it like an otaku. The openings are just that: openings. They are not crucial to the show as a whole (emphasize on "as a whole") and therefore shouldn't be considered butchery.

Still, I would love to see them return, and thus I encourage anyone who doesn't like this change to email Cartoon Network and tell them how you feel about it. Make your voice heard. Let them know that Adult Swim Action isn't Adult Swim Action without the openings. But for God's sake, don't stop watching the shows just because the openings are nixed. An opening doesn't make or break a show; it's the show itself. Hell, if I based my opinion of "Inu-Yasha" on the opening, I would've stopped watching it a long time ago.

In my experience, people live by one of two phrases:

"Life's too short to complain* a lot."
or
"Life's too short; complain* a lot."

Which one are you?

*Note: I wanted to use a certain word to really get my point across, but for obvious reasons I couldn't. :p

[Killtacular]

The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami.

Besides virtually-uneditted anime, the ORIGINAL music, the ORIGINAL endings, and advertising that ISN'T for Barbie dolls?


We KNOW they have them. We KNOW they're holding back. I see no reason to watch Adult Swim if they're going to hold back PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE material without even ACKNOWLEDGING their reasoning behind it.

Or you could give them a CHANCE to acknowledge. It's only been a week, and it's not like they can actually state their reasons on air. No network does that. I'm sure someone with connections can find out why.


We have a right to be pissed about this. This is completely unjustified.

It may be unjustified, but I don't consider it a crime.

A greater crime was showing stuff in the 0083 commercials that was editted out of the actual show. Of course, they've made up for their mistakes by now.

[NewLib]

And there was quite a lot of blood in Inu-Yashu today...

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami.

Really? I always thought it showed shows like "Cowboy Bebop". Some were pissed that in Friday's "G Gundam" Chibodee and Jorge's "death scene" was rewritten due to Jorge's refernences to wine. Shows like "Yu Yu Hakusho" would be hacked worse than that.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami. We KNOW they have them. We KNOW they're holding back. I see no reason to watch Adult Swim if they're going to hold back PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE material without even ACKNOWLEDGING their reasoning behind it.

You could watch it to enjoy the show and actually support it. :wakko:


We have a right to be pissed about this. This is completely unjustified.

I doubt that it's unjustified. They don't make decisions like this just to piss off anime fans. Though I think it would be kinda funny if I were able to jerk around people like this.

And when has CN openly acknowledged the reasons behind stuff like this? Do you expect them to make a special on-air announcement when they decide to do something like this?

I just watch the show for the show. Anything else is gravy. I don't even care if it's edited a little so long as the most of the original ideas are presented.

[Achika]

Well now, what is this?

The lack of Inuyashas 1:30 minute intro has left enough time for some ridiculous '70's looking cartoon with baby speech and it lasted, guess how long?

...... I am very dissatisfied.

edit:

Bebops intro has mysteriously vanished only to be replaced by a simple title screen.

[Killtacular]

Um, it was Yu Yu Hakusho that Baby Sampson aired after. And Yu Yu had its OP.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by nothing
perhaps they want to sell more advertising time so they can bring more shows like GITS:SAC, BIG O 2, or who knows what.
If that was actually the case, it would be forgivable. I can forgive them if they quietly return Inu-Yasha's OP and don't cut any ones off new shows.

And, unlike others, I'd rather have them cut for time than cut OPs. They're not just "nice to see", they're crucial to the feel of the show. There ARE other things that seperate this from Toonami, but the OPs are the biggie. I'd rather have the shows intact than barely cut.

[Andy Mancini]

Besides, didn't they show one of those things on ASC last week too? They were going to fit it in reguardless.

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by Achika
Bebops intro has mysteriously vanished only to be replaced by a simple title screen. Welcome to the last episode! It never had the "Tank" into.

[Killtacular]

And, unlike others, I'd rather have them cut for time than cut OPs. They're not just "nice to see", they're crucial to the feel of the show.

Um, OPs are NOT crucial to the feel of the show.

The only OP on ASA that MATCHS the anime is Tank!, and CN still airs that.

Change the World and THANK YOU FOR WAKING ME UUUUUP make me want to flee for my life.

[Achika]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Um, it was Yu Yu Hakusho that Baby Sampson aired after. And Yu Yu had its OP.

I'm aware of that.

But what does it have to do with anything?

ASA starts at 11 p.m. And Yu Yu started a tad earlier because of the cut opening of Inuyasha.

[Killtacular]

Here, it started on time.

[Achika]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
Welcome to the last episode! It never had the "Tank" into.

Oh? I never saw the last episode before so I didn't know. Is it also supposed to not have a title card or eyecatchers? Will the end be different to?

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Change the World and THANK YOU FOR WAKING ME UUUUUP make me want to flee for my life. Hey man, don't dis the YYH intro. It has Botan doing paddle tricks.

*Watches the YYH intro he got off of TDA.*


Originally posted by Achika
Oh? I never saw the last episode before so I didn't know. Is it also supposed to not have a title card or eyecatchers? Will the end be different to? It has eyecatcers and a diffrent credit sequence.

You know, there are three threads about no openings. You people are sick.

EDIT: Wait. Four threads.....

ANOTHER EDIT: Five....

[Masha]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
Welcome to the last episode! It never had the "Tank" into.
Actually almost all anime's don't have openings during the last episode, and some don't have ending too. The time is filled by action! And sometimes they have different endings during the final episodes or most often play opening song in the end.

[Charred Knight]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami. We KNOW they have them. We KNOW they're holding back. I see no reason to watch Adult Swim if they're going to hold back PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE material without even ACKNOWLEDGING their reasoning behind it.

We have a right to be pissed about this. This is completely unjustified.

Are you drunk?

You have to be to make an idiot statement like that.

The thing that seperates toonami from AS is that Toonami allows non-frontal nudity, alchohol, mild swearing, mild perverted stuff, and blood.

Oh yeah what do you like more bourbon or Vodka?

Its obvious that beer doesn't have enough alchohol for you

[Jude Santos]

i dont care and pissed at the same time. i dont care becuase i still get to see the show and pissed becuase the OP was cut off.

anyway, is there actually a legit reason? is there still a chance that CN may still show the opening next week? (becuase episodes 5, 6 and 7 are like continuations of each other)

AND finally, does this mean we wont be able to see the OP's for Gits tv (its in english btw) and Big O2?

[MattThomasM2B]

Oh god, people. Just lay off the guy. I swear, some of you sound as bad as the 'opening supporting otaku' you're ready to jump all over.

Myself, I don't like it that the openings and eyecatchers seem to be on the leave, but I don't think that it's bad enough to totally reject Adult Swim!

[Achika]

Erm. I didn't see any eyecatcher for the last Bebop.

And now we have a Toonami music video playing afterwards?

That was the first time I saw the last episode of Bebop and I am trying to take it all in but this overplayed TOONAMI music video sure is taking away from the moment. :(

[Dogasu]

Personally, I care that the openings are gone. It WAS a big problem with Toonami, and most people thought that it wasn't going to be a problem with Adult Swim. We never thought that CN would take them away from us. Now that they have, I think we have a right to complain.

There really is no justified reason for this, just like there was no justified reason for Toonami not to air the openings. At first, they said that the rights for airing the openings were separate from the rights to the series, so THAT'S why they didn't air them. As obvious by the fact that they've aired the openings to Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Dragonball Z (on the rare occasion), and Sailor Moon S (once, but they still aired it), CN DOES have the rights to the openings.

Then they said that they didn't want to play the openings that we had already seen a million times when the shows aired on other networks. With shows like DBZ or Sailor Moon, I could see their point. Then they said that they don't air the openings to the newer shows (Gundam Wing, Outlaw Star, etc) because they think the Japanese openings are "cheesy" and theirs "are better." So it's not that Toonami CAN'T air the openings, they just don't wanna.

And now it seems that the same thing is happening to Adult Swim. They think that the Toonami-like intros are better, and with a site like Toonami Digital Arsenal, a site devoted to these openings, they probably think that we love their openings as much as they do. I think it stinks, and unfortunately, unless CN gets absolutely FLOODED with fans' reactions, they openings are going to be lost forever.



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The OPs were what seperated this from Toonami.
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Besides virtually-uneditted anime, the ORIGINAL music, the ORIGINAL endings, and advertising that ISN'T for Barbie dolls?

Toonami has always kept the original music in its anime (DBZ doesn't count b/c the music is a FUNimation decision, not a CN decision), and they HAVE kept the original endings before (Outlaw Star). And sure, they may not be advertising Barbies on Adult Swim, but I wouldn't particularly call those Juicy Fruit commercials "adult."


I agree with you, all these people *****ing and moaning about nothing.

Big Freaken deal. You want see the opening? then download the opening and play it before you start watching each episode!


You don't wanna watch the opening? Then change the channel when the opening comes on. Or leave the room and grab yourself a quick snack. At least that way, with the openings intact, you'd have the OPTION of not watching them if you really hated it. The way it is now, we pretty much have to have the TV on at exactly 11:00pm, not 11:01pm, in order not to miss anything.

I hope they'll return them someday and that we can all look back and say "Remember that time that AS cut the openings out? I'm glad THAT didn't last a long time," but I'm not going to hold my breath. CN has screwed Gundam fans, they've screwed Sailor Moon fans, and now they're trying to screw AS anime fans.

[Hiei_is_mine!]

i didn't see the begining this time so I wouldn't know.. :dot: KOOL!!!

[TylerL]

Reading all of this whiny, demanding, spoiled brat-like drivel is more entertaining than all the anime openings in the world. :)

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Charred Knight
Are you drunk?

You have to be to make an idiot statement like that.

The thing that seperates toonami from AS is that Toonami allows non-frontal nudity, alchohol, mild swearing, mild perverted stuff, and blood.

Oh yeah what do you like more bourbon or Vodka?

Its obvious that beer doesn't have enough alchohol for you

Oh really, I don't remember seeing any non-frontal nudity, alcohol, mild perverted stuff, or blood in Outlaw Star, Mobile Suit Gundam, or Gundam 0083. Hell, Yu Yu Hakusho even edits out mild perverted stuff. Mild swearing? We got that in Toonami. so, what kind of alcohol are you drinking?

Okay, considering half of the shows are already Toonami edited, we get Toonami openings, and we even get those "Advanced Robotics" Toonami time wasters there really isn't much difference between Toonami and Adult Swim nowadays now is there?

As for openings having no point, I'd have to disagree. In my film class we have analyzed openings for movies and TV series and have discovered that if you look closely enough they are important to the art. Though, we didn't actually watch any anime in class, I have done some analysis on my own and no, they are definitely not a waste of time and they do set up the show and they are important.

And the point that many of you are overlooking is the fact that Cartoon Network has lied to us. They claimed they couldn't get the rights to the opening, yet that has been proved a lie. Obviously they just don't like the openings. Cartoon Network lies to it's fans, yet you don't care.

Also, I don't think kids would like the Japanese openings. I think they appeal to adults more. The new Toonami openings look like they appeal to hyperactive teenagers who can't sit still for two minutes to watch the openings. They're obviously not targeting adults here.

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by TylerL
Reading all of this whiny, demanding, spoiled brat-like drivel is more entertaining than all the anime openings in the world. :)
Yah but I you can see whining people on threads anytime. But I only wanna see 'Change the World' in one place at one time. Also, thanks TylerL, I got the original Japanese opening from TDA. w00t!

[Sir Gatts]

I don't believe this... It's more than obvious to us all that this was done as a time cut. Cowboy Bebop didn't even have an opening today yet hasn't aired ahead of schedule. And don't forget that an anime's running time usually isn't designed around the USA 30 minute commercial air time. Some anime episodes can run up to 45 minutes.

Think about it. Would you rather have them screw around with chopping up the body of the series itself? :mad:

[Isondill]

Originally posted by Dogasu
Besides virtually-uneditted anime, the ORIGINAL music, the ORIGINAL endings, and advertising that ISN'T for Barbie dolls?

Toonami has always kept the original music in its anime (DBZ doesn't count b/c the music is a FUNimation decision, not a CN decision), and they HAVE kept the original endings before (Outlaw Star). And sure, they may not be advertising Barbies on Adult Swim, but I wouldn't particularly call those Juicy Fruit commercials "adult."
[/QUOTE]

Well...they do air some add's i would be totally SHOCKED to see on Toonami. Think of that. They are trying to aim at older audiences.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Sir Gatts
I don't believe this... It's more than obvious to us all that this was done as a time cut. Cowboy Bebop didn't even have an opening today yet hasn't aired ahead of schedule. And don't forget that an anime's running time usually isn't designed around the USA 30 minute commercial air time. Some anime episodes can run up to 45 minutes.

Think about it. Would you rather have them screw around with chopping up the body of the series itself? :mad: Riiight...

They cut for time, yet they air Advanced Robotics, what Toonami uses to fill in EXTRA time? I used to think it was for time as well, but explain Advanced Robotics with that explination.

[TylerL]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OMFG MY TAEPS ARENT AS GOOD AS TEH DVDS DMAN U CN I DONT WANNA BUY ANYTHING BCAUSE MY MOM GIVES ME CRAP ALOWANCE U SUK I HAET TOONMAI THIS IS TOONAIM NOW I HAEV 2 WATCH TEH EP ON MY COMP PLZ BRING BACK TEH OP U ASS

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:




:p

[Hiei_is_mine!]

i don't really care fro openings but cowboy bebop one is awesome!!!

[Killtacular]

Hell, Yu Yu Hakusho even edits out mild perverted stuff. Mild swearing? We got that in Toonami. so, what kind of alcohol are you drinking?

You didn't get mild swearing in Toonami. You didn't. You didn't you didn't you didn't. "Crap" isn't a swear, or "hell", or "die". "Damn", "ass", and "b****" ARE. And ARE IN Yu Yu.


I don't remember seeing any non-frontal nudity, alcohol, mild perverted stuff, or blood in Outlaw Star, Mobile Suit Gundam, or Gundam 0083.

Okay, considering half of the shows are already Toonami edited,

Living in the past
Living in the past
I don't focus on the present
Or the time that's still to pass

I don't care about the future
Cause it goes by way too fast
I'll stay comfy in my memories
And live in the past


As for openings having no point, I'd have to disagree. In my film class we have analyzed openings for movies and TV series and have discovered that if you look closely enough they are important to the art. Though, we didn't actually watch any anime in class, I have done some analysis on my own and no, they are definitely not a waste of time and they do set up the show and they are important.

But Yu Yu's, Gundam's, OLS's, and Inuyasha's openings AREN'T important. They have little to do with the show, except for featuring the characters. I agree that TV shows have theme songs that ARE important and match the content of the show, but not in the ones I've mentioned. Certainly not Mobile Suit Gundam's.


And the point that many of you are overlooking is the fact that Cartoon Network has lied to us. They claimed they couldn't get the rights to the opening, yet that has been proved a lie. Obviously they just don't like the openings.

Obviously you're making an assumption.


Cartoon Network lies to it's fans, yet you don't care.

What if they got the rights to the openings for ASA at the beginning, and then lost them? YOU EVER THINK OF THAT?!

If CN always had the rights to the openings, they wouldn't have been detached from the episode. CN had to get them separately, except for Yu Yu and Bebop.

CN didn't have the rights to the intros in Toonami's era. THEY DIDN'T. They only had them for ASA. Their deal may have ended, or they hit a legal snafu, and thus had to air something else to replace the openings.


Also, I don't think kids would like the Japanese openings. I think they appeal to adults more. The new Toonami openings look like they appeal to hyperactive teenagers who can't sit still for two minutes to watch the openings. They're obviously not targeting adults here.

I disagree. Adults want to know that there is action in the show they are about to watch. An intro like Inuyasha's makes them feel like the show is a kiddie fantasy cartoon.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Riiight...

They cut for time, yet they air Advanced Robotics, what Toonami uses to fill in EXTRA time? I used to think it was for time as well, but explain Advanced Robotics with that explination.

As I believe Matt said, Advanced Robotics aired in a different half-hour.

-IY opening is cut to make more room in half hour before YYH.

-CB ends early and they air Advanced Robotics.

Yeesh, simmer down. If this is how some of you deal with losing the opening, I'd hate to see you when your pet puppy dies or something.

[Sir Gatts]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Riiight...

They cut for time, yet they air Advanced Robotics, what Toonami uses to fill in EXTRA time? I used to think it was for time as well, but explain Advanced Robotics with that explination.
How should I know, maybe one of the CN programmers had to take a squat. And what's the deal with AOL commercials anyway? :rolleyes:

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by TylerL
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OMFG MY TAEPS ARENT AS GOOD AS TEH DVDS DMAN U CN I DONT WANNA BUY ANYTHING BCAUSE MY MOM GIVES ME CRAP ALOWANCE U SUK I HAET TOONMAI THIS IS TOONAIM NOW I HAEV 2 WATCH TEH EP ON MY COMP PLZ BRING BACK TEH OP U ASS

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:




:p
Most of the times I would side with you but I'm going to strongly disagree this time. I don't know about you but I'm not going to invest $1000+ in fansubs and subbed Japanese DVDs just to see some anime when I can see it on Adult Swim with minimum if no edits. And you gotta admit, Toonami is pretty crappy, even with a bunch of new shows, compared to it's first and true form. Ok, I'm done, go ahead and make parodies of my post. :cool:

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by Sir Gatts
And what's the deal with AOL commercials anyway? :rolleyes:
HAVET U HERD, AOL 8.0 IS OUT!!!!!! WAHHHHHH!!!!! TEH FUTURE IST NOW!! :p


Originally posted by Joe Tully
If this is how some of you deal with losing the opening, I'd hate to see you when your pet puppy dies or something.
A killing spree ensues of course. :cool:

[cyfar]

So when are they going to start calling ASA, Toonami's Saturday midnight run?

I agree that the openings where what made ASA special, but the loss is no biggie because i'll dl or buy the eps. But why the editing of Outlaw Star? They cut Hilda's statement at the begining of the show. I think it goes, " To stay is to die, to go is to die," or something like that.
And I was sorta disappointed that they didn't show episode 23. Ah well.


I'm waiting to see TOM and the absolution show up next week. Hey maybe they'll show Hamtaro and The REAL Adventures of Johnny Quest. :rolleyes:

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
You didn't get mild swearing in Toonami. You didn't. You didn't you didn't you didn't. "Crap" isn't a swear, or "hell", or "die". "Damn", "ass", and "b****" ARE. And ARE IN Yu Yu.



Ummmm...we did get damn in Toonami, and hell is a swear, I hope you don't talk to your mom with that mouth. by the way, when did they say ***** in Yu Yu Hakusho?





Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Living in the past
Living in the past
I don't focus on the present
Or the time that's still to pass

I don't care about the future
Cause it goes by way too fast
I'll stay comfy in my memories
And live in the past

Ummmm...all those shows I mentioned are still on Adult Swim...




Originally posted by Matt Wilson
But Yu Yu's, Gundam's, OLS's, and Inuyasha's openings AREN'T important. They have little to do with the show, except for featuring the characters. I agree that TV shows have theme songs that ARE important and match the content of the show, but not in the ones I've mentioned. Certainly not Mobile Suit Gundam's.



Well, I'd say the theme song for Outlaw Star fits the series perfectly. I'm not sure about the opening for Gundam 0083 and Inu-yasha though since they're not translated. As for the animation itself. I haven't actually analyzed them or anything, but Outlaw Star in particular has a very interesting opening. Notice how many of the frames at the beginning resemble old movies. They're black and white and rather shaky. I think this is to make it resemble an old black and white western. Also, notice those little symbols it changes the picture? It looks like a dragon if I remember correctly. I think it resembles something I've seen on the assissins, but anyway, I'm not sure what it means, but if I were you I'd attempt to do a little bit of analysis of the openings before you dismiss them as worthless. Actually, I'm getting interested in doing an analysis myself...too bad Cartoon Network doesn't air the openings anymore so I can't tape them...


Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Obviously you're making an assumption.



What if they got the rights to the openings for ASA at the beginning, and then lost them? YOU EVER THINK OF THAT?!

If CN always had the rights to the openings, they wouldn't have been detached from the episode. CN had to get them separately, except for Yu Yu and Bebop.

CN didn't have the rights to the intros in Toonami's era. THEY DIDN'T. They only had them for ASA. Their deal may have ended, or they hit a legal snafu, and thus had to air something else to replace the openings.



Well, considering Inu-yasha and Outlaw Star are gotten from seperate companies I really don't think Cartoon Network would lose all the openings on the exact same date.


Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I disagree. Adults want to know that there is action in the show they are about to watch. An intro like Inuyasha's makes them feel like the show is a kiddie fantasy cartoon.

Ummmm...Inu-yasha doesn't really have that much action. I think adults would realize that and watch it for the comedy and drama. It's the kids who want mindless action. Also I really don't think most kids would appreciate a song in a foreign language, where some adults might. Kids like stuff they can sing along to. By the way, the Japanese openings to Gundam 0083 and Outlaw Star do have a lot of action. I really don't see how anyone can claim that Toonami openings are more adult. I mean, jeez, how many adult shows have openings that show mindless violence to techno music. Imagine if HBO got rid of the opening to the Sopranos and replaced it with some techno music played to a bunch of scenes of the characters shooting each other. I wonder if the adults who watch that would be pleased. How about Law and Order and NYPD Blue? We really need some 20 second action clips so the adults know that these shows have violence in them.

[JDuncan]

I can't wait to see what the new and improved openings for ATHF, Sealab 2021, Brak Show, Home Movies, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law, The Oblongs, The Rupping Friends, and SGC2C look like.

[Sheamon]

Sigh... why rather than investing so much time in complaining about missing openings that you've already seen many times, concentrate on more pressing issues? Like what they're doing to that other block? So they cut a few of the openings, big deal. You miss credits that you'll see in the ending anyway. So what? Why get so obsessed about it? Its not like the opening sequences are that good anyway. Tank! is a great opening, and thats the one we get to keep. The others? I could care less. And don't bother talking noncense about the opening being integral to the show, or something like that. Even Tank doesn't go and add a lot of extra value to the show.

And where was the outcry when Mobile Suit Gundam didn't get its original opening aired? I don't think I remember hearing a single complaint when they aired the Toonami opening when it premiered on ASA. Sure, you've got the guy singing "GUNDAMUUUUU!!!!" with the various characters running around like idiots, but I thought to you guys the opening was integral to the show, right? Why didn't you bring this kinda stuff up when MSG premiered?

Its not the end of the world because a minute long music sequence with easily accessible credits doesn't air. Its certainly not something to be happy about, but to act like you guys are doing makes me ashamed. I expected more integrity out of my fellow AS fans.


Most of the times I would side with you but I'm going to strongly disagree this time. I don't know about you but I'm not going to invest $1000+ in fansubs and subbed Japanese DVDs just to see some anime when I can see it on Adult Swim with minimum if no edits.

Wha? Hey, did you hear that they're actually releasing anime on DVD in America now? Yeah, and with the occassional exception like FLCL and Inu-Yasha, you can get pretty good deals on them.
Best Buy's a great place to go, I managed to pick up End of Eva and Perfect Blue for $20 apiece and Gasaki for $18 a volume. Whining about having to pay for anime is even worse than whining about the openings being gone. You like anime? Get a job to support your hobby like responsible people do and quit your moaning.

When it came to tonight's Bebop, remember, the final episode lacks both the regular opening and closing, and the preview. Sure, Blue's about 4 or 5 minutes long, but the second half of the episode is so short anyway there's time to spare. Thats why you get something like the Advanced Robotics thing, because the eps so short in the first place, not because they had extra time by not airing the IY intro.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by cyfar


I agree that the openings where what made ASA special, but the loss is no biggie because i'll dl or buy the eps. But why the editing of Outlaw Star? They cut Hilda's statement at the begining of the show. I think it goes, " To stay is to die, to go is to die," or something like that.
And I was sorta disappointed that they didn't show episode 23. Ah well.


OLS has the same edits as Toonami. Always has, since there's not much point in going back just to edit such minor stuff back in. That's the way it goes.

[cyfar]

Sheamon you're a lil bit late

I don't have the chance to frequent the board that much but I remember the conversation about the MGS opening. I don't even think they used that Gawd(oh my I may get edited) Awful opening on the DVDs. :D

about the OLS edit...I remember them saying the whole die line on Toonami...that's what I thought was really funny about the whole thing. The whole is moot, anyway. IT's "free" anime *whisper whisper* on pay tv *whisper whisper* if you want real, raw, uncut, anime in the purest(or grungiest form) w/ OP....buy dvds or download them.

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Sheamon
Sigh... why rather than investing so much time in complaining about missing openings that you've already seen many times, concentrate on more pressing issues? Like what they're doing to that other block? So they cut a few of the openings, big deal. You miss credits that you'll see in the ending anyway. So what? Why get so obsessed about it? Its not like the opening sequences are that good anyway. Tank! is a great opening, and thats the one we get to keep. The others? I could care less. And don't bother talking noncense about the opening being integral to the show, or something like that. Even Tank doesn't go and add a lot of extra value to the show.

And where was the outcry when Mobile Suit Gundam didn't get its original opening aired? I don't think I remember hearing a single complaint when they aired the Toonami opening when it premiered on ASA. Sure, you've got the guy singing "GUNDAMUUUUU!!!!" with the various characters running around like idiots, but I thought to you guys the opening was integral to the show, right? Why didn't you bring this kinda stuff up when MSG premiered?

Its not the end of the world because a minute long music sequence with easily accessible credits doesn't air. Its certainly not something to be happy about, but to act like you guys are doing makes me ashamed. I expected more integrity out of my fellow AS fans.



I did complain about the opening to Mobile Suit Gundam being cut, it just wasn't on this board. It was actually before I knew about this board. And in that case it wasn't Cartoon Network's fault. Yoshiyuki Tomino didn't want them to use the original openings, it's not even on the DVDs.

Also, cutting out the openings is just one step. I mean, remember back when all Cartoon Network aired was butchered anime like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z? Then eventually, we got to the point where we got anime with the original bgm, then finally we got the original endings, now finally we got the original openings. We thought we had it all. We thought Cartoon Network cared about showing anime in it's original form. Obviously they don't. What's next? Cut endings? Changing the music? More edits? Who knows? Cutting the openings is just the first step airing bastardized anime.

I don't see how anyone can say cutting the openings is not censorship. they cut 2 minutes off of the beginning of the show. So what, if you don't care about it. If they cut out blood there'd probably be a bunch of people saying blood doesn't make the show. Censorship is censorship and cutting the opening is censorship.




Originally posted by Sheamon
Wha? Hey, did you hear that they're actually releasing anime on DVD in America now? Yeah, and with the occassional exception like FLCL and Inu-Yasha, you can get pretty good deals on them.
Best Buy's a great place to go, I managed to pick up End of Eva and Perfect Blue for $20 apiece and Gasaki for $18 a volume. Whining about having to pay for anime is even worse than whining about the openings being gone. You like anime? Get a job to support your hobby like responsible people do and quit your moaning.

When it came to tonight's Bebop, remember, the final episode lacks both the regular opening and closing, and the preview. Sure, Blue's about 4 or 5 minutes long, but the second half of the episode is so short anyway there's time to spare. Thats why you get something like the Advanced Robotics thing, because the eps so short in the first place, not because they had extra time by not airing the IY intro.

Well, excuse me for having to pay for college and not having hundreds of dollars to spend on anime. Also, the reason I like anime to air on TV like it is on the DVDs is because I want anime to become popular. And yes, that means having the original openings. I don't want anime fans like the Dragonball Z fans on the Funimation message board who think anime is all about heavy metal and who think any Japanese music is gay, not to mention anything in a foreign language is gay. I want real anime fans who can share my interest. I don't want anime to be thought of as weird or for nerds. I want anime to be mainstream and because of that it needs to be aired on TV without Americanizations like Toonami intros.

[Nik Jam]

Dunno if this been said already, but you can download the InuYasha opening at Adultswim.com, unless they took it off.

[cyfar]

Well, excuse me for having to pay for college and not having hundreds of dollars to spend on anime.

downloads, or copy from friends if you are on campus. It's not that difficult :D j/k

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Master Moron

Also, cutting out the openings is just one step. I mean, remember back when all Cartoon Network aired was butchered anime like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z? Then eventually, we got to the point where we got anime with the original bgm, then finally we got the original endings, now finally we got the original openings. We thought we had it all. We thought Cartoon Network cared about showing anime in it's original form. Obviously they don't. What's next? Cut endings? Changing the music? More edits? Who knows? Cutting the openings is just the first step airing bastardized anime.

Unless it's the first step of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.



I want real anime fans who can share my interest. I don't want anime to be thought of as weird or for nerds. I want anime to be mainstream and because of that it needs to be aired on TV without Americanizations like Toonami intros.

Ironically, acting all geeky and crying when the openings are removed is what will keep people thinking that anime is for nerds and keep it from becoming mainstream.

And I don't see how the opening is crucial to anime becoming mainstream at all. You're just complaining pointlessly and then trying to rationalize it.

[Sheamon]

I did complain about the opening to Mobile Suit Gundam being cut, it just wasn't on this board. It was actually before I knew about this board. And in that case it wasn't Cartoon Network's fault. Yoshiyuki Tomino didn't want them to use the original openings, it's not even on the DVDs.

Well, I must have missed that then :p I know there certainly was talk about it when it originally aired on Toonami last year, but I never recalled hearing any talk about it when MSG premiered on Adult Swim.



We thought Cartoon Network cared about showing anime in it's original form. Obviously they don't.

And they're supposed to why...? Cartoon Network is a business. They don't air anime because they care about showing anime. They air anime because it makes them money. Thats the whole point of ALL anime, and ALL television. Figuring that out will make things a lot easier :p



Well, excuse me for having to pay for college and not having hundreds of dollars to spend on anime.

I'm an anime fan who has to pay for college too. And know what I do? Rather than complain about CN not catering to my anime needs, I work 20+ hours a week on top of school so I'll have the $$ for both school and my hobbies, like anime. That way no need to worry about cut endings/openings, or commercials, or timeslots, or anything. Simply put the DVD in the player when I have the time and watch it, as simple as that. Anime is not a right, its a privelage. And when I don't have the money for that certain anime I want, I simply keep quiet and wait for it. No one owes you any anime. You either take what you get on Cartoon Network or you do what I do and pay for it. What do you think the anime fans that don't like the anime on CN do? :p


Also, the reason I like anime to air on TV like it is on the DVDs is because I want anime to become popular. And yes, that means having the original openings.

Whats so important about anime becoming popular? I could care less about anime becoming popular. Just like any hobby, its not for everyone. As long as its just popular enough to keep prices reasonable (which they are except for stuff like Inu-Yasha), thats fine with me.


I don't want anime fans like the Dragonball Z fans on the Funimation message board who think anime is all about heavy metal and who think any Japanese music is gay, not to mention anything in a foreign language is gay. I want real anime fans who can share my interest.

And there's plenty out there. At this board. At rec.arts.anime.misc. Chat Rooms. And so on... Dragonball Z caters to a younger audience, and anime newbies, so of course people are going to act that way at a FUNI board. Thats not gonna change. But there's plenty of places to talk to 'real' anime fans.


I don't want anime to be thought of as weird or for nerds. I want anime to be mainstream and because of that it needs to be aired on TV without Americanizations like Toonami intros.

Well there's the problem. You want it mainstreamed, but you don't want it americanized. You can't have it both ways. One of the main reasons why anime isn't mega popular in America is because it doesn't originate in America. Americanize anime like they do sometimes on Toonami and it makes it more popular. Its a double edged sword, gotta pick your poison :p

[Achika]

Openings are in any show for a reason. Not only to show credits, but also to get you in the mood for the upcoming show.

If openings weren't neccessary why would any show have them? Wether the show be from the US, JP, EU, AU, etc.

They're there to get you in the mood and its just that simple. The new Inuyasha "intro" did not get me in the mood for Inuyasha. The same goes for 0083 and to a lesser extent, OS.

[JetMaster5]

I'm tired right now, so I don't have much to say.

Anyways, I know you guys didn't ask for it, but here's my opinion:

Why would CN cut openings out of series? Why would CN give us a messed up schedule? (Go to Toonami board's new schedule for more info) Why is it that we get shows that are edited down to 7 year olds in a block that's aimed for mature audiences? Why?

It's because that's how it is. You can either accept it, or you can write letters to them and ask about it. But ultimately, no one, other than those who work in CN, knows. We could only guess and that's it.

It's not fair? Deal with it. The world's not fair. Life's not fair. Just deal with it. There are so many much more causes, other incidents, other lives that are more important than this!

I'm sorry if I acted angry or anything. I'm just in a lousy mood today.

[Steve Jester]

Ahem, mind if I remind even the diehard Cowboy Bebop fans here of something:

Last night's episode didn't have the OP because IT DIDN'T HAVE THE OP TO BEGIN WITH!!!! The last episode of Cowboy Bebop goes right in to the Cemetary scene.

Ok, just wanted to clear that up, I think when reruns come back next week, you'll have the OP for CB.

[Killtacular]

What I had meant by my song is that you ARE living in the past.

Using shows that aren't even going to be on the block in a couple of months is kind of childish, and you're only using them because it's so easy to use them to attack the block.

0083/0080 will be replaced by an adult show, and so will Outlaw Star, and in the future, so will Mobile Suit Gundam. Replaced by ADULT SHOWS. This isn't a debate. This is FACT. Fact fact fact fact fact. Debate this and I will laugh.

As Joe Tully said, this is the first step towards ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. CN isn't suddenly going to go back and EDIT MORE. They're not RETARDS like everyone seems to suddenly assume about them.

In fact, you can expect them to edit LESS as future shows arrive. Perhaps a LOT less, I'm not sure. We'll have to see. But GITS:SAC and Big O 2 will probably air close to, if not entirely, uneditted.

And that's the point of the block. Adult anime that's not "butchered/raped/maimed/killed/sliced", aimed at adult audiences. That's been Adult Swim's goal, and they're so close to obtaining it. But you guys seem to have forgotten this. You think Adult Swim's goal is adult anime, aimed at OTAKU audiences. Well, guess what. It's not.

The average person over the age of 18 is NOT going to care that the openings are different (just felt I'd say this, since some people AREN'T over the age of 18, and act as if they know how people over the age of 18 think). They're mature enough (or dimwitted enough) to know that the content and action of the show is more important. If someone of an adult age doesn't want to watch the show because of the intro (let me repeat: THAAAAANK YOUUUU FOR WAAAAAAKING MEEEEE UUUUUUUUUP), that's already a chunk of Adult Swim's potential audience gone.

And if you don't want them to watch, too bad. Like I said, this isn't Otaku Swim. So, rather than boycott or insult or cry over a lost opening, why not be thankful that a block exists on cable television where adults get cartoons aimed at THEM for a change, and almost fully uncensored at that?

Would you rather Cowboy Bebop have gone to Toonami, where 8 episodes would have been cut entirely, and most episodes shortened to 18 minutes in length? Riiiiiiiiight.

[kaine23]

So they can't show the orginal openings to shows unless it's called Yu Yu Hakusho now?? I sense favoritism with FUNi because they produce their favorite cash-cow.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by kaine23
So they can't show the orginal openings to shows unless it's called Yu Yu Hakusho now?? I sense favoritism with FUNi because they produce their favorite cash-cow. Yu Yu Hakusho and Cowboy Bebop's intros are attached to the shows themselves. They're just not airing the other ones, which they'd normally have to air seperately.

People are telling everyone to just put up with it. I can't put up with this, because Inu-Yasha sucks without the intro. You think its stupid, but it's completely IMPOSSIBLE to get into the show without the opening. I have tried it for the past two weeks, but I haven't been able to pick much up outside the second half of the episode.

Yu Yu Hakusho's got one of my favorite intros in all anime (yes, Matt. THAAAAANK YOOOOU FOR WAAAAAKING ME UUUUUUUUP). If it gets cut for the second season, I'll just wait for the DVDs to see the dubs of these episodes. Fine, if its mature to insult other people's beliefs, call it stupid.

[Sandoz]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
I can't put up with this, because Inu-Yasha sucks without the intro. You think its stupid, but it's completely IMPOSSIBLE to get into the show without the opening. I have tried it for the past two weeks, but I haven't been able to pick much up outside the second half of the episode.

So an entire show sucks because it doesn't have a somewhat catchy 30 second pose-shot of characters we won't see for dozens of episodes? And here I was, enjoying it because of interesting characters, a good story, and a decent dub. I don't know what I was thinking. :p

And it is NOT impossible for someone who enjoy IY without "Change The World". I for one do not miss it. I find it to be a pretty lackluster song, and the images that accompany it are far from spectacular.

Seriously, people. LET IT GO. Sure, it would be great if the openings came back, but this hardly the travesty so many of you make it out to be.

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Unless it's the first step of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Ironically, acting all geeky and crying when the openings are removed is what will keep people thinking that anime is for nerds and keep it from becoming mainstream.

And I don't see how the opening is crucial to anime becoming mainstream at all. You're just complaining pointlessly and then trying to rationalize it.
Don't get caught up in bandwith use, these topics are exactly what forums were created for, discussing events and other topics, even if it does seem ridiculous to you. If your offended by it don't look at the thread or turn the monitor off :p Like people are saying, if the original creators of the anime series didn't want to show opening then why make them? The opening, closings, music, and the plots themselves are equally important and I feel that none should be left out just for 30 more seconds of ads. Also, people are making a big deal about this topic because I'm sure no one wants to see our beloved Adult Swim turn into a more intense Toonami. I didn't start watching Adult Swim Action saying "Man, I hope this is just as good as Toonami!". No, I started watching it because it's shows anime in it's rawest form, or at least as close as you can get on American T.V..

[Ikwig]

ummmm, wow there's an awful lot of anger in this thread! Well, here, for what it's worth, is my 2 cents (because I feel the need to get it off my chest somehow! :p )

O.K., first of all let me say that I intend to continue watching ASA; CN is still the only channel I have access to which shows anything approximating un-cut anime. Yes, I do buy the shows I like on DVD so as to have them in as close as possible to their original form, but I don't want to waste money on a DVD if I don't know if I'll like it; and I can't rent anime (of the three stores in town, one has some Pokeman, GITS - the movie, and Jin-Roh and the other two have NADA, NADA, NADA). So ASA is my only way (outside of borrowing stuff from friends - and they don't have that much) of checking out a series and deciding if I want to buy it.

That said, am I upset that they're cutting the original openings? Yes, of course I am. Sure, if they're gonna cut something anyway, I would rather they cut openings than content, but cutting off the openings is still considered "editing" in my book. Therefore, the openings shouldn't be cut. 'Nuff said.


And that's the point of the block. Adult anime that's not "butchered/raped/maimed/killed/sliced", aimed at adult audiences. That's been Adult Swim's goal, and they're so close to obtaining it. But you guys seem to have forgotten this. You think Adult Swim's goal is adult anime, aimed at OTAKU audiences. Well, guess what. It's not.

Ummm, just one little flaw in that argument: if they're aiming at adult audiences, why are they using Toonami (which is definitely aimed at kids) openings? If they really want to aim at adults, but don't want to use the original openings, why not make an opening that isn't so "Toonami-esque", such as just showing the title card and going straight into the show?


The average person over the age of 18 is NOT going to care that the openings are different

I'm over the age of 18 and I care that the openings are different. (I suppose you could make the argument that I'm not average, but you could make that argument about any individual.) Please don't make encompassing statements concerning other people's opinions.

One side note about which I should probably keep my mouth shut: the people who are coming off the worst in this thread are those who say they don't care about the openings. As far as I can see, this thread was created for people who do care about them and needed a place to get together, complain a bit, and see if they could come up with anything to do about it. If you don't care about them, I doubt you'll change anyone's mind by ranting about what "otaku" the rest of us are.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Sandoz
So an entire show sucks because it doesn't have a somewhat catchy 30 second pose-shot of characters we won't see for dozens of episodes? And here I was, enjoying it because of interesting characters, a good story, and a decent dub. I don't know what I was thinking. :p

And it is NOT impossible for someone who enjoy IY without "Change The World". I for one do not miss it. I find it to be a pretty lackluster song, and the images that accompany it are far from spectacular.

Seriously, people. LET IT GO. Sure, it would be great if the openings came back, but this hardly the travesty so many of you make it out to be. I'd LET IT GO if I possibly could. It's IMPOSSIBLE for ME to get a feel for a show without the OP. I thought I made that clear enough already. While you don't care, its an essential part of the show. They're just jumping into the show now. I'm done with AS, and if you don't like it, go back to your Toonami.

All the excuses that are showing up are stupid. It couldn't be a time cut, because of Advanced Robotics. While they did air in seperate half hours, it was in the same FIVE MINUTES as Gundam 0083 and its missing OP. I highly doubt Gundam 0083 gets such high ratings that they need to cut its OP for more ad time.

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
I'd LET IT GO if I possibly could. It's IMPOSSIBLE for ME to get a feel for a show without the OP. I thought I made that clear enough already. While you don't care, its an essential part of the show. They're just jumping into the show now. I'm done with AS, and if you don't like it, go back to your Toonami.

All the excuses that are showing up are stupid. It couldn't be a time cut, because of Advanced Robotics. While they did air in seperate half hours, it was in the same FIVE MINUTES as Gundam 0083 and its missing OP. I highly doubt Gundam 0083 gets such high ratings that they need to cut its OP for more ad time.
Go Koopa! :D
I'm with you on that point of view. The OPs are just as improtant as everything else. I won't die if they are gone, but it just isn't the same. It sets a mood, and anybody who doesn't see my point of view doesn't truly understand anime and what it is about. On the airing of Advanced Robotics, sure some people are saying since Cowboy Bebop didn't have the opening that Adult Swim had time to air it, well why didn't they air something Adult Swim related on Adult Swim ? This only helps support that Adult Swim is being Toonaminized.

[Ikwig]

Originally posted by Masamune2052
Go Koopa! :D
I'm with you on that point of view. The OPs are just as improtant as everything else. I won't die if they are gone, but it just isn't the same. It sets a mood, and anybody who doesn't see my point of view doesn't truly understand anime and what it is about. On the airing of Advanced Robotics, sure some people are saying since Cowboy Bebop didn't have the opening that Adult Swim had time to air it, well why didn't they air something Adult Swim related on Adult Swim ? This only helps support that Adult Swim is being Toonaminized.

Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto and, oh yeah, ditto. (Plus airing Advanced Robotics right after Cowboy Bebop's emotionally charged ending really spoiled the mood/atmosphere, if you know what I mean. What on earth were they thinking?)

[nothing]

sure, having the show completely intact would be an ideal situation... but this isn't an ideal situation. it's television and the adage here would be, "something is better than nothing."

what really perturbs me is when the put a commercial at a random spot in the show. i can see killing the eyecatch, but having the break of the show in the same spot. i think they've only done this once.

anyway, i'm very thankful that someone is taking the care to show great anime with as little content editing as possible.

did everyone get upset when fox shortned the simpson's open back in the day?

[Killtacular]

Let it go, woah woah
Let it go, woah woah
It's not worth the pain and the shame
So just let it go

- O.C. Supertones

What on earth were they thinking? They were probably at home, thinking "What on earth happened?!"

Interstitals that air on CN are almost completely randomized, except for special events like Nikki & Peg and Escalator Danger Squad (the latter of which doesn't have an airdate).

It was a technical glitch that caused Advanced Robotics to air, not some exec's idea to make fans angry. Give me a break. There's nothing symbolic behind the airing of that.

There is no Toonamization of Adult Swim. Toonamization, to me, means more editting, a kid-approved narrator(T.O.M.), shows AIMED AT kids (don't live in the past/present for this argument, as I've said), and ads targetted towards the tween group.

Right now we have adult-targetted narrators (Beau, Keith, Robot), shows aimed at adults, and ads targetted at young adults. That's fine. And I promise, I vow, I swear on my life, that Adult Swim will NOT BECOME MORE EDITTED. IT WILL NOT.


Ummm, just one little flaw in that argument: if they're aiming at adult audiences, why are they using Toonami (which is definitely aimed at kids) openings?

They aren't using Toonami openings, except for Outlaw Star. Mobile Suit Gundam is the OFFICIAL OP. 0083's intro may or may not have been produced for Toonami. We'll never know. Inuyasha's is brand new.

Action montages aren't aimed at kids. They're to show new viewers what they can expect from the show. If someone new to Adult Swim sees a show with a demon destroying property, slicing up people, and fighting with Kagome, they'll stay to watch it, even if the show ISN'T all action/blood/violence the entire time.

If someone new to Adult Swim sees an intro about people being happy happy happy la la la look at us we're flying, here's a brief clip from the show, and now we're happy happy happy again, to the tune of "Generic, Entirely-Unrelated, Fruity J-Pop Song", they're NOT GOING TO WATCH THE SHOW.

It doesn't MATTER if the show isn't all action all the time. That's not the point. They want to quickly get into it.

In America, long openings and fantasy songs are more aimed at kids than anything else. It harkens back to the days of Saturday morning cartoons, where every show had a 60 second theme song with wacky lyrics. Even TV sitcoms did it up until the 80s.

Do you see any TV sitcoms and shows having sing-along dance numbers to start them off anymore? NO. THEY GREW UP. Most adult TV shows are lucky to have more than just a 5 second shot of the logo before the show begins. Even some kid shows, like Boy Meets World, had its theme song reduced to 10 seconds. Hell, EVEN CARTOONS had their theme songs reduced, like The Simpsons going from 60 seconds to 14 seconds. The only two primetime shows I can think of with a theme are The West Wing and The Sopranos. I don't watch much primetime TV anymore, but as far as I know, the standard these days is to show a quick logo and then display the credits over the first minute or so of the episode.


I'm over the age of 18 and I care that the openings are different. (I suppose you could make the argument that I'm not average, but you could make that argument about any individual.) Please don't make encompassing statements concerning other people's opinions.

But you're not the average.

And message boards don't represent anything other than the minority.

The average person above 18 years of age thinks Pokémon is "gay", anime is either boring or porn, and loves The Brak Show (or Space Ghost). I polled varying people about this over the course of the year. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Now let's see how this would work if CN removed the openings for RATINGS reasons. So, CN wants to capture the 18-34 demographic. Further, they REALLY want to capture the AVERAGE of the demographic, since that's where they can get the biggest ratings. So, what's going to change people's conceptions about anime being boring, porn, or crap? A 60-second moment of pure cavity-spawning sugary sweetness, or a 15 second adrenaline-packed clip sequence, with back to back shots of action? THE LATTER. It will always be the LATTER.

This is the South Park generation. People with ADD who will glaze over a long intro of unintelligable Japanese, and switch back to Saturday Night Live or Smackdown. ADULT SWIM HAS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION.

Do I think that Inuyasha's montage is good? No. It was obviously thrown together, which suggests that WS may not have had a choice in the matter (not that people here would care, since they're happy to have their own little assumption and will stick with it until they die).

But keep in mind that Adult Swim is changing looks in but a few weeks. Maybe there are better intros planned for the shows come the new look? AND MAYBE, just MAYBE, the OPS will return. The reason I say this is because, as you already know, MK12 is doing the intros for CN.

It's not like Toonami where they can open up Maya or whatever, and stick a piece of footage from the show in the 3D Absolution, or what have you. We're talking WYSIWYG.

The possible scenarios:

1) ASA gets a new look, and keeps the OPs, as there is no way to introduce them because the work is done by a third-party.

2) ASA gets a new look, and creates better intros than the ones available to go with the new look, if the third party provides the source code/project files.

3) ASA gets a new look, and keeps the intros they have now.



Fine, if its mature to insult other people's beliefs, call it stupid.


All the excuses that are showing up are stupid.

Hm.


People are telling everyone to just put up with it. I can't put up with this, because Inu-Yasha sucks without the intro. You think its stupid, but it's completely IMPOSSIBLE to get into the show without the opening.

You can go to AdultSwim.com, as many people have already suggested, and watch the intro there, to get into the "mood". I reaaaaally don't understand your logic though.


I have tried it for the past two weeks, but I haven't been able to pick much up outside the second half of the episode.

And you're sure the intro is a factor in this? Not being able to get into the episode may be caused by other factors, like sleep deprivation, ADD, doing other activities at the same time, etc.

What I recommend is to grab some pretzels or something, and close out of chat programs or whatever you might be multitasking. I usually have a soda in my system before 11 PM so I'm alert enough to watch. Ah, the life of a college student.

[Killtacular]

what really perturbs me is when the put a commercial at a random spot in the show. i can see killing the eyecatch, but having the break of the show in the same spot. i think they've only done this once.

That happened to Inuyasha. I think it's because Inuyasha has a longer first act than second act in some episodes, and CN has to find some way to cut down the middle to get ads in. Has CN ever played ads any later than :15 minutes? They sometimes air ads as early as :4 minutes into the episode so they don't have to worry about a long first act, but I'm sure more people would want to see it break in the middle than right near the beginning.

It happened to episode 2 and it happened to Yura of the Demon Hair. In Yura, they REALLY had no good place to break out of, so they replayed the same scene when they came back from the commercial. That's probably what you're thinking of.

I'm not sure if it's happened to any other show. Yu Yu Hakusho sometimes has eyecatchers and sometimes doesn't. That's not really CN's decision but something FUNi does. I don't know why FUNi has been removing it recently. First they moved it until AFTER the commercial break, and then they excised it. Weirdie.....beans at, Weirdie.....beans at.

[jethrek]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
I'd LET IT GO if I possibly could. It's IMPOSSIBLE for ME to get a feel for a show without the OP. I thought I made that clear enough already. While you don't care, its an essential part of the show. They're just jumping into the show now. I'm done with AS, and if you don't like it, go back to your Toonami.

All the excuses that are showing up are stupid. It couldn't be a time cut, because of Advanced Robotics. While they did air in seperate half hours, it was in the same FIVE MINUTES as Gundam 0083 and its missing OP. I highly doubt Gundam 0083 gets such high ratings that they need to cut its OP for more ad time.

I gotta agree with Koopa here.

Yammer on about how it's not for otaku, but that doesn't excuse a thing. One could just as easily argue that the mainstream doesn't care about strict editing standards, or that they don't care about adult animation.

Also, it is hard to get into the shows without the openings. The Toonami-style openings replacing them are horrible, and the show can nearly start without you noticing.

I remember the debate on Toonami openings....William's Street has yet to fess up as to why cutting out that part of shows is necessary, though I do recall one interview where they seemed to think TOM's intro's were better.

Their intros suck, plain and simple. I like both Save the World and THANK YOU FOR WAKING ME UUUP :P, and I don't want them gone. Obviously, nobody warned Viz to include the openings on the tapes....

I'm not going to stop watching Adult Swim for this, but like any fan of a show, yeah, I'm pissed. I could just get all my anime on DVD and fansub and leave Williams Street out in the cold, but I'd rather get some of it from them. Still, it feels like they aren't really all that dedicated to their fans doing this again....

Matt, if the "average person" you speak of is all that matters, why should we suddenly care less? I, for one, am plenty happy not to be this average person. Far too many TV blocks completely ignore the fans that make them the cash, and it's all in the name of this formless, meaningless "mainstream" that's supposedly all that matters. Williams Street should be showing a little more respect for their fans.

[creeper]

Oh man....i've had a laughing fit reading these posts.

It's not that serious that the openings aren't there. Everyone that is whining about the openings and stuff just sound like spoiled little brats that just got a new toy. Since it's not the same as little billy's down the street they whine and whine w/ no consideration that their lucky that they even have a toy to play w/. Might i remind you people that just a few years ago there was next to no anime series playing on tv. CN gave us a block where they are showing pretty good anime series and instead of being grateful you complain about something so small. Big deal the openings are gone. What does that have to do w/ the quality of the show? Um let's see...nothing.......

I mean i'm a big anime fan. You don't see me complaining that they don't play head cha la w/ the dragonballz or we gotta power......if i want to hear either i'll go out and buy the japanese version. But i'm smart enough to realize that they can't always play the opening nor do they have to. Be grateful you even have good anime playing, believe me if it were up to me, i'd take it away from you ungrateful brats all together.

[jeffrey 228]

I think the reason for this, I think they need to time for the show and stuff, but not the openings and stuff.

[Killtacular]

Far too many TV blocks completely ignore the fans that make them the cash,

Except for the fact that the fans don't make them the cash?

Anime fans give DISTRIBUTORS and VIDEO STORES money. This.. doesn't really affect CN at all, except for inviting more distributors to come and want to make deals, and they're already doing that (believe me, they are).

[Master Moron]

Ikwig, I agree with you. This topic was created for people who are upset at the openings being cut. I don't understand why all these people are coming into this topic and saying we shouldn't care. I remember a while ago everyone was complaining about the blood being cut out of Gundam 0083. Honestly, I didn't see the big deal was. Did I call everyone whining brats and tell them I was ashamed of my fellow Adult Swim fans and that only otaku nerds care if the blood is cut out of Gundam 0083. No, because I didn't care, so I didn't make a post. Everyone was 100% justified in their complaints. They have a right to be upset that something was being censored. Just as we have a right to complain that something is being censored. If you don't care about the openings being cut, then why the hell are you on a topic for people who are complaining about the openings?

You all think we should just shut up and be grateful that Cartoon Network is giving us anime. Yet, at the same time you say that if we want the openings we should get the DVDs or download episodes. Okay, if we have other options then why do we need CN? Why should we be grateful if we can get anime a million other places? I can't understand why you're so care so much if we stop watching Cartoon Network? Do you work for Cartoon Network? Are you afraid people at Cartoon Network are going to lose their jobs if you stop watching? If we have a problem with Cartoon Network then why should we continue to watch. Sure, to you losing the openings may not be a big deal. But to us it is. I mean, to some people losing the bgm in Dragonball Z is no big deal, but to others it is. Should they just watch it to show their support for CN? I don't think so. If they don't approve of something then they're not gonna watch it, pure and simple. And if you don't like people badmouthing Adult Swim then get off the Adult Swim board.

Also, Matt Wilson you obviously have no idea how TV works. Yes, the fans make cash. Fans give TV shows RATINGS. The RATINGS determine how much they can charge for ADS. which is how they make money. Furthermore, it's the fans who buy the products advertised in ADS. If they didn't, then advertisers wouldn't pay money for time in shows, and Cartoon Network and any other channel would never make any money.

Furthermore, The Drew Carey Show and South Park have vocal openings. But, you are right, more and more shows don't have openings at all. You think this is because people are growing up. Get real. The networks are losing more and more ratings to cable companies every year. Why? Why else. Watch a show on a network sometime. They don't bother making an opening, they have 5 to 6 minute commercial breaks, and they push the end credits to the side for more commercials. Why is the Sopranos such a good show. Yeah, it's got great acting and great writing, but what else is good. How about the presentation. They actually put a lot of thought into the opening, they don't interrupt every show with a ridiculous amount of commercials, and they actually show the ending credits without pushing them to the side. Often times I turn on a new show and I see that they don't even put any effort into an opening, so when it cuts to five minutes of commercials I assume that since they didn't spend any effort on the opening that they're not going to spend any effort on the show. And if I ever do stick around I usually find out that I'm right. You may say that I'm in the minority. But, guess what, I'm not. I know non-anime fans who can't stand that so many shows are low quality pieces of crap with no openings a million commercials and credits shoved to the side. And if we're a minority then tell me why the networks have such a hard time finding an audience nowadays? Which shows get higher ratings, crap that has no presentability or shows that actually make an attempt like the Sopranos? Maybe the reason why so many of us like anime is because they actually put effort into their presentation.

Furthermore, you attempt to say that Cartoon Network loses ratings on sugary sweet openings. What you fail to realize is that Yu Yu Hakusho is the highest rated show on the block DESPITE it's sugary sweet opening. You also fail to realize that Inu-yasha's opening changes later in the series to what I am told is a less sugary sweet opening. You seem to think that because Inu-yasha's first opening is too happy for you that all the openings should be cut. Hell, if it was only Inu-yasha's opening that was cut I really wouldn't care so much. I can do without two openings on Adult Swim. However, Gundam 0083 and Outlaw Star's openings were also cut. I wouldn't describe these openings as sugary sweet and I fail to grasp how these openings would turn off adults any more than the toonami style ones. Furthermore, I'm not sure what the openings are like to Big O 2 and Ghost in the Shell. However, if Adult Swim gets into the habit of cutting the openings then we may not see them.

Also, you claim that I'm living in the past. However, I'm living in the present. You are living in the future, which is just as bad as living in the past. Sure, I could think to myself, maybe Adult Swim will be great in the future like you, but unfortunately I live in the present. Also, since when did Cartoon Network ever claim to get another Adult series to replace Mobile Suit Gundam. You seem to think it's a fact but you're just speculating. Please concentrate on the present right now.

[Lord Trunks]

Okay someone might have mentioned this before, but how it was noted that some people were getting bored with the opening titles is indeed since they were in Japanese, except YU YU HAKUSHO and Cowboy Bebop, and in a ways Mobile Suit Gundam, even know they didn't use the original title sequence, one reason, Gundam0083 and Inu Yasha were not even subtitled in opening title sequences, at least Outlaw Star was. Cowboy Bebop has no lyrics in the Title Sequence, Gundam had it's original title scrapped at the beginning of the English release, and with YU YU HAKUSHO Funimation has re-done the opening title song in English,(Funimation has started to do that for all english versions of the shows they Dub, Blue Gender, Dragon Ball, and YU YU HAKUSHO are the three I have seen them re-record the title songs for) in the long run unless shows don't have English title songs, or no lyrics at all they will be changed by CTN to not loose viewers, oh well this battle is lost as well If we couldn't get Toonami to use original title sequecnes, what chance in hell do we have no of Fixing Adult Swim Action, if you are really that worried then start a petition to get the title songs back, but what is the chance that the People at CTN will read it, but as the old saying goes, "If there's a will, there's a way" though give up the fight a I have said be great ful for what we have, I as most of us will get used to it, and If you recorded something with the title intact then you should be great full, this warrior is done fighting to a lost cause...back to the reality we can't change it

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Master Moron
Ikwig, I agree with you. This topic was created for people who are upset at the openings being cut. I don't understand why all these people are coming into this topic and saying we shouldn't care. I remember a while ago everyone was complaining about the blood being cut out of Gundam 0083. Honestly, I didn't see the big deal was. Did I call everyone whining brats and tell them I was ashamed of my fellow Adult Swim fans and that only otaku nerds care if the blood is cut out of Gundam 0083. No, because I didn't care, so I didn't make a post. Everyone was 100% justified in their complaints. They have a right to be upset that something was being censored. Just as we have a right to complain that something is being censored. If you don't care about the openings being cut, then why the hell are you on a topic for people who are complaining about the openings?

OH MY GOD POEPLE ARE USING LOGIC TO FIHGT MY WINING YOU DONT BILONG IN TIHS THRED GO AWAY




Also, Matt Wilson you obviously have no idea how TV works.

LOL

I refuse to argue about the openings any longer on the grounds that the entire debate is making this board stupider with each following post. I don't see anyone changing their mind on this at this point anyways.

[Killtacular]

And if you don't like people badmouthing Adult Swim then get off the Adult Swim board.

But if you're not watching Adult Swim from now on, why are you still here?


Also, Matt Wilson you obviously have no idea how TV works. Yes, the fans make cash. Fans give TV shows RATINGS.

No. There is a difference. 3 groups watch TV shows. The fans, the casual viewers, and the potential viewers. The casual viewers and potential new viewers make up a bigger percentage than the fans.

Shows that are only watched by the fans DO NOT GET BIG RATINGS. Invader Zim was cancelled because it could not pull in enough casual or potential new viewers. It was stuck with its little cult following, and thus it was cancelled.

Other examples include: Family Guy, Futurama, The Tick, Sheep in the Big City, Freakazoid, Sam and Max.


The RATINGS determine how much they can charge for ADS. which is how they make money. Furthermore, it's the fans who buy the products advertised in ADS. If they didn't, then advertisers wouldn't pay money for time in shows, and Cartoon Network and any other channel would never make any money.

Advertisers don't target fans, they target adults in general. However, there ARE a FEW fan-targetted ads. Specifically, the ones Adult Swim promotes, like Maxim, 8 Legged Freaks, Kung Pow, etc.

Most advertisers don't design their ads to appeal to adults that like cartoons, they just advertise stuff that adults would be interested in, like cars, phone deals, insurance, and movies.

We won't see ads targetted at adult cartoon lovers until Adult Swim proves itself, and right now, a 2.0 doesn't prove anything. That's why CN has to make desperate measures sometimes.


Get real. The networks are losing more and more ratings to cable companies every year. Why? Why else. Watch a show on a network sometime. They don't bother making an opening, they have 5 to 6 minute commercial breaks, and they push the end credits to the side for more commercials. Why is the Sopranos such a good show. Yeah, it's got great acting and great writing, but what else is good. How about the presentation. They actually put a lot of thought into the opening, they don't interrupt every show with a ridiculous amount of commercials, and they actually show the ending credits without pushing them to the side.

You have a point here about ad time, but I stand by my point. Noone does singalong themes anymore, and it's not just because of ad time. It's because American viewers DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM anymore. They're parodied now. Hell, The Wayans Brothers made fun of them, and that show is 5 years old, before the era of credit squishing.

The only shows that have lyrics in their themes now, use licensed music, like Friends. Yes, this is what Inuyasha does, but at least Friends put thought into what song they picked. Sunrise must've just picked a song at random from a hat.


You may say that I'm in the minority. But, guess what, I'm not. I know non-anime fans who can't stand that so many shows are low quality pieces of crap with no openings a million commercials and credits shoved to the side.

The non-anime fans that I know can't stand the low quality of the shows, but they NEVER, EVER said "You know what this show needs? A THEME SONG!"


And if we're a minority then tell me why the networks have such a hard time finding an audience nowadays?

Because, like I said, American viewers have ADD. They care for gimmicks or thrills. ASA can provide them thrills, but they won't even stay for the episode if they see the intros. Except for Cowboy Bebop, of course.

It's why reality programming was popular for a while. And why "million dollar game shows" are huge a couple of years ago.

The only event that continuously manages to find an audience are sports games like Monday Night Football.


Which shows get higher ratings, crap that has no presentability or shows that actually make an attempt like the Sopranos?

Hm. Rocket Power and Will & Grace are still on the air. Invader Zim and Family Guy are not.

My money's on the crap.


Furthermore, you attempt to say that Cartoon Network loses ratings on sugary sweet openings. What you fail to realize is that Yu Yu Hakusho is the highest rated show on the block DESPITE it's sugary sweet opening.

Yeah, a whopping 1.9. I'm dazzled.


You seem to think that because Inu-yasha's first opening is too happy for you that all the openings should be cut.

No, I just think that Inu and Yu Yu's should be. I love Bebop's and it's perfect to set up the show. IT FITS THE SHOW.

Yu Yu's and Inuyasha's DO NOT. That's my beef.


I can do without two openings on Adult Swim. However, Gundam 0083 and Outlaw Star's openings were also cut. I wouldn't describe these openings as sugary sweet and I fail to grasp how these openings would turn off adults any more than the toonami style ones.

As I said, I had set up a scenario where it was possibly for ratings, but there are other possibilities, like CN losing the rights to the intros. We won't know until we can get the word from them... I don't have the connections myself.


Furthermore, I'm not sure what the openings are like to Big O 2 and Ghost in the Shell. However, if Adult Swim gets into the habit of cutting the openings then we may not see them.

I have faith that we'll see both, seeing as CN paid to produce said Big O 2 intro (as well as the rest of the show). And GITS's opening should be just as high-energy as Bebop or Noir's.


Also, you claim that I'm living in the past. However, I'm living in the present. You are living in the future, which is just as bad as living in the past. Sure, I could think to myself, maybe Adult Swim will be great in the future like you, but unfortunately I live in the present. Also, since when did Cartoon Network ever claim to get another Adult series to replace Mobile Suit Gundam.

Big O 2 and GITS are gonna take 0080 and OLS's spots. Gundam IS going to be replaced after its run, with a show that CN hasn't announced yet.


You seem to think it's a fact but you're just speculating. Please concentrate on the present right now.

It IS fact. But CN and I have a dark history. CN won't give us the info until they announce it. In fact, when it IS announced, it may even be at another site before ours. But they DO have a plan, and I'm NOT speculating.

[Killtacular]

OH MY GOD POEPLE ARE USING LOGIC TO FIHGT MY WINING YOU DONT BILONG IN TIHS THRED GO AWAY

Okay, let's not escalate this into something worse. I agree, this situation is funny, and some people are acting very crazy, but I think that's sort of pushing it. :/

[JetMaster5]

Originally posted by Master Moron
What you fail to realize is that Yu Yu Hakusho is the highest rated show on the block DESPITE it's sugary sweet opening.

I like to clear things up a bit. Cowboy Bebop is actually the highest rated show on the block. Outlaw Star is second, then Yu Yu Hakusho. Cowboy Bebop earned a 1.0 rating, Outlaw star earned a 0.97, Yu Yu earned 0.87. Or something like that.

[Killtacular]

Inuyasha is the highest rated show on the block. The other shows don't even make the top telecasts.

Yu Yu Hakusho was in there for a while. I think Cowboy Bebop gets better ratings than it now, simply because people are more willing to watch Bebop reruns than Yu Yu reruns.

[SirLemming]

So the ending of Cowboy Bebop was spoiled? This is TV! It's not just gonna stop for ya. Maybe you should turn off the TV if you want to savor the moment. Be glad they didn't squish the ending to show commercials, like they do on just about EVERY OTHER NETWORK. And how does "Advanced Robotix" spoil the ending of Cowboy Bebop more than a regular commercial would?

[Beat]

A. It dosen't. But I would rather Adult Swim act like a normal block than Toonami. Anime is normal. Toonami openings is like putting the genre in the corner and laughing at it.

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by SirLemming
And how does "Advanced Robotix" spoil the ending of Cowboy Bebop more than a regular commercial would?
Because it represents Toonami's invasion on the rest of Cartoon Network. Lock your doors and hide the kids! Toonami's here to invade, and sunsequently rule with an iron fist, Saturday night! Nobody's safe from the evil Toomani invasion!

(By the way, I'm be sarcastic. I never do anything like this, but I'm sick and tired of people saying that the lack of a theme song and one misplaced Toonami video "ruined ASA forever".)

[stanteau]

I've been watching anime for going in 12 years now,I am otaku fanboy extrodinare and I could care less.Half the time I skip 'em after a few viewings and the other half the music sucks.I mean,the IY opening is HORRIBLE.How can the lack of 50 seconds of horrible music coupled with some horrible animation featuring characters that don't even show up until episode 24 possinly ruin a whole show?

I admit,it is kind of annoying after WS being so faithful,but it doesn't RUIN a show let alone an entire 3 hour block.

[NewLib]

Yeah Adult Swim is turning into Toonami... Lets just forget the fact the schedule will look something like this in 3 or 4 months:

11:00 PM: Big O 2 (TV-PG)
11:30 PM: Ghost in the Shell (TV-14)
12:00 AM: Inu-Yashu (TV-14)
12:30 AM: Yu-Yu Hakusho (TV-PG)
1:00 AM: Cowboy Bebop (TV-14)
1:30 AM: Mobile Suit Gundam (TV-Y7)

With the exception of MSG, NONE of those shows could air as they will in Adult Swim on Toonami, especially not Inu-Yashu or Cowboy Bebop. People are complaining over nothing... (Also by my prediction only one opening will be cut from that block and will be IY's.)

[stanteau]

I didn't wanna have to read all this :(

[Beat]

Originally posted by TheFutureIsHere
(Also by my prediction only one opening will be cut from that block and will be IY's.

Judges, BZZZZZZZZZ! I'm sorry, but it seems like they're definetley going in a anti-opening spree. Thank you for playing.

What annoyes me is the (lack of) logic in such a desicion. Toonami style openings...

1. Suck.
2. Cost more money than leaving the original opening intact.
3. Suck.
4. Look ameturish.

[Matsuo]

OMG I just realized something....
The only thing that now separates AS from Toonami is they can say "kill". :p

[Allen's Nickname.]

Yes, they cut the opening.

But....

What did they not cut?

A giant bloody stump on a demon. Curses galore. Graphic death. Just to name a little.

You people act like that CN dosn't get calls, emails and such from angry, van-equiped (And other types of cars.) soccer (And other types of sports.) moms (And Dads.) (IE: Overprotective parents.) every day. Right now, AS seems to be more of a burden than a blessing for CN, so be happy with what you have.

[Killtacular]

Toonami-style openings are just a montage of action clips. I fail to see how they "suck", unless the clips they choose aren't very good, and IY's case, they were rushed into making one. I'm expecting them to come up with a better one by the ASA relaunch. And if not, I'm not gonna cry about it.

[Killtacular]

.........van-equipped?

.....

[Cyporiean]

Originally posted by Matsuo
OMG I just realized something....
The only thing that now separates AS from Toonami is they can say "kill". :p

Well, that "****", boobies, blood, "*****", "boobies" and "GOD"

[Sheamon]

I'd LET IT GO if I possibly could. It's IMPOSSIBLE for ME to get a feel for a show without the OP. I thought I made that clear enough already. While you don't care, its an essential part of the show. They're just jumping into the show now. I'm done with AS, and if you don't like it, go back to your Toonami.

But how is it essential?! This makes no sense. Openings are made with one purpose in mind, to present the audience with the people who made the show in an interesting manner. In most cases they do this with music and an animation sequence. But its not one of the big important things, and has little to no impact on a show. Cowboy Bebop has a great opening. So does Escaflowne. But do those make the show great? No! Can you get into the show without them? Of course! How else could people like me get introduced to Escaflowne through the horrific FOX Kids debacle? You take one of the best openings out there and replace it with utter garbage, but it didn't prevent people like me from becoming huge fans of the show. Look at Gundam Wing, one of the most popular shows to ever air on the network. Did the lack of its true opening prevent it from becoming popular? What about DBZ? What about the fact that Evangelion has opening and closing sequences that are quite horrific and don't fit the show at all (IMO anyway) yet its still so popular? This is proof that you don't need an opening to get into a show. You got along fine up until AS was created without them when it came to anime on CN, right? Why didn't you quit then when the original OPs weren't around?


Ikwig, I agree with you. This topic was created for people who are upset at the openings being cut. I don't understand why all these people are coming into this topic and saying we shouldn't care

I wouldn't go that far. We've got people saying they're gonna leave the block simply because they removed the OPs for some of the shows. Telling people that thats a stupid way to go about things doesn't mean we shouldn't care. Heck, I'm not happy either that the OPs got cut. But I know when to pick my battles. You get mad and say you're gonna leave the block when they cancel a show with 4 episodes left. You get mad and say you're gonna leave the block when they fill 3/4 of the block with the same exact show. You don't go and leave the block because they cut openings you've already seen many times and have easy access to! Its a bad direction to take but it doesn't by any means ASA is turning into Toonami and it doesn't mean you should leave the block because of it.



I can't understand why you're so care so much if we stop watching Cartoon Network? Do you work for Cartoon Network? Are you afraid people at Cartoon Network are going to lose their jobs if you stop watching? If we have a problem with Cartoon Network then why should we continue to watch.

Nobody's making you watch anything. If you don't want to watch Adult Swim, then don't watch it. But don't come in here and say this stuff and expect to not get a response. You have to take responsibility for what you say. If you don't want to talk to people about it, then don't bring it up in the first place.



And how does "Advanced Robotix" spoil the ending of Cowboy Bebop more than a regular commercial would?

I don't know about you guys, but little could be worse than what I saw a second after I saw Bebop end for the first time. A disgusting old lady in a bathing suit coming out of the pool in one of those AS bumpers. Where were the complaints about the mood being spoiled then?



Yeah Adult Swim is turning into Toonami... Lets just forget the fact the schedule will look something like this in 3 or 4 months:

11:00 PM: Big O 2 (TV-PG)
11:30 PM: Ghost in the Shell (TV-14)
12:00 AM: Inu-Yashu (TV-14)
12:30 AM: Yu-Yu Hakusho (TV-PG)
1:00 AM: Cowboy Bebop (TV-14)
1:30 AM: Mobile Suit Gundam (TV-Y7)


And considering Bandai's relationship with CN, and the fact that from what I've heard, this show has been in production for a number of months already, we might have Zeta Gundam on there to early next year. Wait a minute... might? Considering history, its pretty much a give in, we don't even have to go there. Its not 'if', but 'when'. So a lineup that in 6 months will probably be Big O/Ghost in the Shell/Inu Yasha/YYH/Bebop/Zeta Gundam is turning into Toonami. Yeah people, thats smart :rolleyes:


OMG I just realized something....
The only thing that now separates AS from Toonami is they can say "kill".


And people getting shot up, cross dressing prostitutes, bondage, more cleavage shots than you know what to do with, decapitations, dismemberment, the use of the words '*****', 'ass', and 'bastard', etc... Think before you speak.


Now I've probably been as critical of CN as any person at this board on multiple occassions, whether it was the cancellation of MSG last year, or the DBZ overload, or the Hamtaro thing, or the use of Outlaw Star and Pilot Candidate on Adult Swim. But I know when to pick my battles. Compared to what we've had before, this is NOTHING. The way many of you talk the world has ended, yet things that are exponentially worse for the channel didn't get a fraction of the criticism. You have to learn how to prioritize. This is a bad thing, but its nowhere close to as bad as many of you want to make it out to be.

[Master Moron]

Joe Tully does not seem to be using logic at all, he just seems to be insulting everyone. However, Matt Wilson, I am starting to see your side. If Ghost and the Shell and Big O 2 do use the original openings than I suppose I can go without the Inu-yasha opening. I clearly see that you're an optimist, yet you're also somewhat cynical, which is an odd combination. Nevertheless, I think we are both speculating a little bit here. We really won't know what kind of a block Adult Swim will be in a few years from now or even if it will exist in a few years from now. I will continue to watch Mobile Suit Gundam and perhaps Inu-yasha but I do not feel any type of loyalty to adult swim that makes me want to watch reruns, hell I usually like to go out on Saturday nights.

Anyway, to everyone else on this board, regardless of whether or not you care about the openings or not, I don't think it is necessary to insult the people that do care about that openings. Just because it doesn't make a difference to you doesn't make people who like the openings nerds, brats, or morons. This is an Adult Swim board after all, so we should be talking about aspects of Adult Swim and that includes the openings. I hope we can stop all this screaming at each other now and maybe work at finding out why the openings were actually taken out. All we've done so far is speculate.

[Steve Jester]

Originally posted by Master Moron
Joe Tully does not seem to be using logic at all, he just seems to be insulting everyone. However, Matt Wilson, I am starting to see your side. If Ghost and the Shell and Big O 2 do use the original openings than I suppose I can go without the Inu-yasha opening. I clearly see that you're an optimist, yet you're also somewhat cynical, which is an odd combination. Nevertheless, I think we are both speculating a little bit here. We really won't know what kind of a block Adult Swim will be in a few years from now or even if it will exist in a few years from now. I will continue to watch Mobile Suit Gundam and perhaps Inu-yasha but I do not feel any type of loyalty to adult swim that makes me want to watch reruns, hell I usually like to go out on Saturday nights.

Anyway, to everyone else on this board, regardless of whether or not you care about the openings or not, I don't think it is necessary to insult the people that do care about that openings. Just because it doesn't make a difference to you doesn't make people who like the openings nerds, brats, or morons. This is an Adult Swim board after all, so we should be talking about aspects of Adult Swim and that includes the openings. I hope we can stop all this screaming at each other now and maybe work at finding out why the openings were actually taken out. All we've done so far is speculate.

Ladies and Gentlemen the post you see above is subtitled, "How NOT to Make Friends With the Mods". Thank you.

But with all respect to everyone who wants to see the OP's, It's easy enough to get the DVD's, or if your impatient get the fansubs. (NOTE: The author of this post does NOT promote the distrubiting of fansubs after the product is released in the US)

Another way to get the OP's, at least the songs is to buy the OST, or download the song.

And one other thing, and this comes from watching enough of the "evil" "T" block, is to ignore the repaced OP's.

[Killtacular]

Why does everyone have to be friends with the mods?

They don't.

[Steve Jester]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Why does everyone have to be friends with the mods?

They don't.

I know that. Sorry if that comment was a little rude.

[END OF OFF TOPIC APOLOGY, we may return to the thread in progress]

[Joe Tully]

Actually, I don't mean to single out the people who care about openings as geeks. I think that everyone here is at least a little bit of a geek, myself included. The only point that I meant to make was that obsessing about something like openings is something that would be something that would be considered geeky by the mainstream.

I do think that this is blown out of proportion, but whatever. If complaining about it is what you want to do, then feel free to do it. I just think it's time for everyone, regardless of opinion, to calm down about the thing, but do what you gotta do. *shrug*

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
.........van-equipped?

..... My image of the over-protective. You know, trucking the whole soccer team in the 15 mile-to-the gallon monster truck while gossiping on the cell-phone, completely oblivious to the fact that their teenager is taking drugs.

I'm so judgemental.

[Space Cadet]

The actual name for the YYH opening is Smile Bomb.

[Killtacular]

I'm just wondering what they have to do with Adult Swim.

You can't single out a single group of mothers as the ones that hate anything adult.

The only correct description that doesn't technically single out is "overprotective mothers".

[Jude Santos]

just to be off-topic for a minute

this thread can be renamed to "How Television Networks Work 101"

[ohmrbill]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but I don't feel like reading through 6 pages of this.

Has anyone emailed AS about the openings being cut, and have they given their reason fot it?

[EroSennin]

Of all the things to complain about we get 6 pages of people saying AS sucks because of no opening scene? Whats the big deal? Its not like there cutting the actual episode. The show is whats important. I think some people will complain for just about anything. Start of Soccer Dads?

[Exatron]

Originally posted by DocTerror
Of all the things to complain about we get 6 pages of people saying AS sucks because of no opening scene? Whats the big deal? Its not like there cutting the actual episode. The show is whats important. I think some people will complain for just about anything. Start of Soccer Dads?

The opening is part of the show. It's there to give people an idea of what it's about and what characters will be in it. Some people don't always agree with the opening's relevance to the series, but it's still better to use the opening made by the people who made the show instead of a twenty second collection of random clips assebled by hacks who are only concerned with squeezing in a few more commericals.

Removing the openings isn't always a rights issue either. Mainframe Entertainment gave Cartoon Network episodes of ReBoot with the appropriate openings, but Williams Street took the extra time and money to remove all but the opening for 4.01 for Toonami. When the show finally aired on CN outside Toonami, it didn't have an opening for about a week and even when it got one it was only the first season's.

[Dogasu]

It's the neverending thread! :D

The thing is, people relate the openings to the shows they open. When many people think of Cowboy Bebop, they think of "Tank!" When many people think of Yu Yu Hakusho, they think of "Smile Bomb" (or whatever they call it). So the openings are important.

What I'm upset over is that they're not doing this with every opening. People are saying "they can get rid of the YYH opening, but they better not touch Tank!" or "0083's song can go, but there will be hell to pay if they take out Outlaw Star's opening!" It should be all or nothing. Just because YOU don't like a song doesn't mean that it should be banned off TV forever--if that was the case, I'd never have to see an Eminem video ever again. But that's not the way things work. At least before, when AS aired the openings, viewers were given a choice--they could either sit there and watch the opening, or they could leave the room for 30 seconds. The way it is now, we have no choice--we just have to put up with a Toonami-like opening.

And people don't like the animation in the openings? Why not? The openings feature animation made JUST for the opening, instead of just a bunch of random episode clips thrown against a song continuosly chanting the show's name. We're losing original animation (which is usually a higher quality than the animation used in the series), and that's another reason I'm upset.

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Actually, I don't mean to single out the people who care about openings as geeks. I think that everyone here is at least a little bit of a geek, myself included. The only point that I meant to make was that obsessing about something like openings is something that would be something that would be considered geeky by the mainstream.

I do think that this is blown out of proportion, but whatever. If complaining about it is what you want to do, then feel free to do it. I just think it's time for everyone, regardless of opinion, to calm down about the thing, but do what you gotta do. *shrug*

fair enough.

[Millions Knives]

Sure, I'm a little mad thay they did this but mostly confused as to why they did this. Why WS? Why?!

[NovaSaber]

I had a really long reply, but I lost it, so here's the short version.

Yu Yu Hakusho's intro does fit the show. Inuyasha's does seem a little strange for the show, but I like it anyway. It's certainly better than that lame clipshow.

Here are the specific things that are wrong with montage openings:
1. They are disjointed.
2. They are so hectic that they imply the show is all action and no drama.
3. They can contain spoilers. (Not a problem with the three on ASA, I guess, but some of the ones on Toonami did.)
4. They seem tacky.

And about Adult Swim supposedly being for the "average" adult instead of otaku...the average adult will never be interested in Inuyasha anyway, so who cares what they think about it?

I also find it ridiculous to think that anyone would decide whether or not to watch a show in the middle of the intro; they've either decided before it starts, or they'll give it at least five minutes.

[Lachesis]

Putting my oar in.

OPs are important, for the simple fact that the creators intend for the shows to be watched with them. They set the tone and provide aesthetic continuity. This is especially true with anime because many shows really go all out on them, with better animation and music, often setting up the major themes and giving hints to future developments. Separate direction credits are often listed for work on the OPs alone. Unlike in the US, the OP's are considered a show's most important attention grabber. They're a common subject for favorites polls in Japan. I think there's a major one being run by Animage or Newtype right now.

Of course there are rotten OPs. You want some stinkers, try hunting down "Blue Seed" or "Irresponsibe Catain Tylor." But I can't think of watching "Lain" without "Duvet" or "Evangelion" without "Cruel Angel's Thesis." Heck, "Through the Night" is my favorite part of "Outlaw Star." As somebody mentioned, when the openings for Reboot were cut for Toonami, Mainframe put them up on their site, they were so important. If I remember right, Season 3 had six different openings for a mere sixteen episodes.

If ASA is out of time, squash the endings. Those don't have nearly the significance, aside from the odd special episode. Or stagger them and run openings every other week for different shows. I'm just afraid they'll just adopt this no-opening thing as policy now and apply it to everything eventually.

[Ran-san]

Originally posted by NovaSaber
I had a really long reply, but I lost it, so here's the short version.

Yu Yu Hakusho's intro does fit the show. Inuyasha's does seem a little strange for the show, but I like it anyway. It's certainly better than that lame clipshow.

Here are the specific things that are wrong with montage openings:
1. They are disjointed.
2. They are so hectic that they imply the show is all action and no drama.
3. They can contain spoilers. (Not a problem with the three on ASA, I guess, but some of the ones on Toonami did.)
4. They seem tacky.

And about Adult Swim supposedly being for the "average" adult instead of otaku...the average adult will never be interested in Inuyasha anyway, so who cares what they think about it?

I also find it ridiculous to think that anyone would decide whether or not to watch a show in the middle of the intro; they've either decided before it starts, or they'll give it at least five minutes.

Don't be too sure about the average adult thing. My friend is not an overall anime fan. He has SOME things he likes, but overall he avoids it. I got him addicted to Inu-Yasha after 1 episode.

[Dalamar13]

What I find especially funny is that the only reason this thread got as heated as it did is because the people who don't care started calling everyone who does,"brats" and,"whining babies". Why post in this thread at all if you don't care? It makes no sense at all. I really thought Tully and Matt were more responsible than that.(I don't want to be the Mod's friend :p ) Oh well, **** happens I guess. I can't believe I read all this crap.

[bassist]

It's probably because there have been so many threads complaining about the intros, due to a general lack of other topics, that some posters have gotten fed up. It's like the people who like PC suddenly popping out of the woodwork after the 50th "I Hate PC" thread a while back.

The real question is whether the lack of the intros changes the content of the show, and that's a definite no. If it does change the content, it allows for more plot and actual story by reducing the time used for the intro. Plus, we can look forward to bigger and better acquisitions due to increased advertisement revenue from ads that have used that extra 15-20 seconds of airtime. I say that's a bonus regardless of the cost of the opening.

-Big Ben

[etj4eagle]

Well might as well put my two cents into this never ending crisis. In this debate it seems the middle ground has been lost. Those of us who like the openings, feel that they shoud be shown but are not going nuts that they have been removed. To me removing the openings does not destroy the block, it is the actual show itself that I tune in to watch. In a perfect world I would want those openings shown.

However, I can understand that there might be programming reasons to drop them and I can live with that. While I don't like the theory that dropping them will result in less people being turning off, and I can understand the logic that the execs would use. (and Matt Wilson is very correct is stating that "fans" are only a very minor part of an audience that watches a show). Also if dropping the opening results in fewer time edits then, I am for dropping them. As to me an episode edit is far more important than eye catches, openings or endings.

[Supernovametalstar]

This thread is way too long for me to read in it's entirety, but I suppose I'll ad my two cents as well. I like the openings to shows. I get a little ticked when they are taken off, but at least we got to see them on tv with the original music a few times, which is more than you can say for DBZ, Ronin Warriors, and Sailor Moon. If there is an anime that is on tv that doesn't show the openings, I usually download the intro and nothing else (it takes too much time to get a whole episode). Besides, if I finally get off my butt and buy a DVD player, I can rent anime. But I am not going to boycott CN, which has afforded me the great opportunity to see these shows in the first place.

Plus, taking into account the amount of red (not black) blood I saw pooring from Sesshomaru's severed limb this past Saturday, they can keep their openings if this is the trade off.

[Beat]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Actually, I don't mean to single out the people who care about openings as geeks. I think that everyone here is at least a little bit of a geek, myself included.

Speak for yourself. :p

[JetMaster5]

Originally posted by NovaSaber
And about Adult Swim supposedly being for the "average" adult instead of otaku...the average adult will never be interested in Inuyasha anyway, so who cares what they think about it?

Kimono wearing characters? The use of 18-20th century language? A dog demon? Non-frontal nudity? :p Plot twists? What's not to be interested in Inu-yasha? I think the only reason that the average adult wouldn't watch Inu-yasha is because:

a. They never knew of the block called Adult Swim.

b. It's not their style.

c. They fall asleep. :D

Average adults would usually find odd comodities to be very interesting and therefore, stick around.

But hey, that's my opinion. :)

[Ikwig]

Originally posted by jetwing5
Kimono wearing characters? The use of 18-20th century language? A dog demon? Non-frontal nudity? :p Plot twists? What's not to be interested in Inu-yasha? I think the only reason that the average adult wouldn't watch Inu-yasha is because:

a. They never knew of the block called Adult Swim.

b. It's not their style.

c. They fall asleep. :D

Average adults would usually find odd comodities to be very interesting and therefore, stick around.

But hey, that's my opinion. :)

Hey this thread has cooled down a bit - Yay! :D (I just hate it when my AS board family gets all p.o.ed and starts yelling at each other, ya know! :p )

All of the things which you listed are great reasons to watch IY; many of them are part of what has sucked me into the series! (Of course, Matt recently told me that I wasn't "average"! ;) )

Here's the problem with trying to appeal to "average" adults: replace the word "average" with "lowest common denominator". You and I may think that IY has a lot going for it, but just because it appeals to us doesn't mean that it will appeal to a broad range of people. Sadly, just the fact that it is animated is going to turn a large number of adults off right off the bat. :(

Personally, I think it's a better idea for TV execs to do all in their power to keep the fans they have, rather than trying to entice "average" people, but I can understand why the TV execs would not agree with me and that's okay! :)

As far as the whole "missing openings" thing goes, I still wish they hadn't taken them off, but I have read all 7 pages of this thread and some of the reasons which others gave for why they might be gone certainly made sense. At any rate, I'm not going to let their loss keep me from watching my favorite shows on ASA, so I guess that's all there is for me to say. :D

[Dogasu]

I really wish they'd bring 0083's and OS's OP back. I mean, as much as those shows were cut up for Toonami, I felt that having the openings on AS was a bone thrown at us, kind of like "well, we won't re-edit the shows, but we'll at least give you the openings." Now we don't even have the openings, so the AS airing of OS is the same as the Toonami airing. Except I think OS's Toonami intro was better than AS's Toonami-like intro.

[Killtacular]

Like I said, there may have been some legal dispute over them.

OR...... they may want to redub them.

If you'll notice, all of the OPs that were removed have japanese lyrics.

Just a weird coincidence, if you ask me.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Dalamar13
What I find especially funny is that the only reason this thread got as heated as it did is because the people who don't care started calling everyone who does,"brats" and,"whining babies". Why post in this thread at all if you don't care? It makes no sense at all. I really thought Tully and Matt were more responsible than that.(I don't want to be the Mod's friend :p ) Oh well, **** happens I guess. I can't believe I read all this crap.

I don't think it's a big deal to have arguments on the board. Having arguments can lead to better discussion. I find it's more interesting than the run-of-the-mill topics, like What Do You Want To See On AS. It's one thing to have an Opinion-type thread devolve from something like a specifically pro-Oblongs thread into "OBLONGS SUCKS," which just pisses off people who like the show. If you're going to present a basic idea, such as the cutting of OPs leading to the self-destruction of the ASA block, you have to expect people to argue with that, especially when it's not just opinion-based but can be supported/detracted from with facts. Maybe it was offensive when I said "Ironically, acting all geeky and crying when the openings are removed is what will keep people thinking that anime is for nerds and keep it from becoming mainstream," and perhaps in retrospect I should've phrased it differently, but I said it because it was relevant to the point, and because it IS true. Obsessing over little things IS perceived as geeky, and the smaller the thing is, the geekier it seems. And in general, whatever you consider "the mainstream" is not interested in things that are associated with geeks. Sorry, but it's true.

No comment on the other stuff, mostly because it'll get everyone going again.

[KingKoopa]

I got a reply to my email I sent a couple weeks ago.


Thank you for your e-mail regarding Adult Swim. The Adult Swim show openings were cut down to a format similar to Toonami due to timing. Some of the openings were as long as 2 minutes which caused the block to run over the allotted length.

We hope that despite this change, you will continue to tune-in to Adult Swim. It was a time cut (although Advanced Robotics still doesn't help their point). It looks like the new Yu Yu Hakushos, Big O, and Ghost in the Shell WILL NOT have their OPs aired. At least now we have a definate reason on why the cut the OPs.

[JetMaster5]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
At least now we have a definate reason on why the cut the OPs.

Even though the reason doesn't make much sense?

[Steve Jester]

Originally posted by bassist
It's probably because there have been so many threads complaining about the intros, due to a general lack of other topics, that some posters have gotten fed up. It's like the people who like PC suddenly popping out of the woodwork after the 50th "I Hate PC" thread a while back.

The real question is whether the lack of the intros changes the content of the show, and that's a definite no. If it does change the content, it allows for more plot and actual story by reducing the time used for the intro. Plus, we can look forward to bigger and better acquisitions due to increased advertisement revenue from ads that have used that extra 15-20 seconds of airtime. I say that's a bonus regardless of the cost of the opening.

-Big Ben

*waves meekly* Thanks for indirectly mentioning me, but now back to the subject at hand.

I have to agree, the OP, regardless of how good they were do not show that quality of the show. I also have to say that more ads means more money. More money means better shows, better shows means (hopefully) a second season of PC! (J/K!)

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by jetwing5
Even though the reason doesn't make much sense? Yup.

When I responded, I told them that I probably won't be watching as often anymore, and then requested that at least Inu-Yasha's OP be restored, because it is new content. Then, I asked if they were going to have FUNi cut YYH's OP for the next season.

[jeffrey 228]

Only because of the old no japanses languege issue, that Toonami brought up, that is stupid.

[sl4]

Oh well, it's not a really big deal I guess.

I'm just glad we finally have a definite reason behind it, and all the people saying that it was done just to make us angry have been proven wrong. :p

[Exatron]

Originally posted by bassist
It's probably because there have been so many threads complaining about the intros, due to a general lack of other topics, that some posters have gotten fed up. It's like the people who like PC suddenly popping out of the woodwork after the 50th "I Hate PC" thread a while back.

The real question is whether the lack of the intros changes the content of the show, and that's a definite no. If it does change the content, it allows for more plot and actual story by reducing the time used for the intro. Plus, we can look forward to bigger and better acquisitions due to increased advertisement revenue from ads that have used that extra 15-20 seconds of airtime. I say that's a bonus regardless of the cost of the opening.


The openings may not change the show's content, but they can change the viewer's perception of that content. Squeezing out an important part of a show for the sake of a few seconds of advertising time is inexcusable. It deprives the viewer of the complete experience. No "bonus" can ever truly make up for that loss.

[KingKoopa]

Anyone who says they need the ad time:

Note that Ghost in the Shell and Big O 2 were aquired BEFORE they cut the OPs.

[NovaSaber]

Like I said, there may have been some legal dispute over them.
Over three at the same time? I doubt it.


OR...... they may want to redub them.

If you'll notice, all of the OPs that were removed have japanese lyrics.

Just a weird coincidence, if you ask me.
1. I seriously doubt they'll waste time redubbing the OPs to Outlaw Star or Gundam 0083.
2. The thought that they might have something against Japanese lyrics is exactly what worries me.

[JetMaster5]

Originally posted by jesteranimefreak
More money means better shows, better shows means (hopefully) a second season of PC! (J/K!)

Actually, I don't mind about the second season of PC. After all, it does give blocks some diversity. Heck, why not put it on Toonami, since the whole, mad, freakin block is just DBZ!!!!! :mad: :p

[sl4]

Why? Because if they did that it would end up just as butchered as the first season, and it wouldn't make any sense (again). :)

[SirLemming]

It still is pretty weird that only the Japanese intros were cut. Cowboy Bebop's intro may be the shortest one (I'm not sure), but I don't know about Yu Yu's. Seems just about as long as the rest. Maybe they happen to be slightly shorter shows...?

[Masha]

Just to add about Japanese openings, if CN was so much again Japanese language then why all endings (Inuyasha, Cowboy Bebop, and Outlaw Star) were left intact? And if I remember correctly Toonami aired Outlaw Star ending in original Japanese too. But still that reason that they gave us, takes too much time, is not very good. I mean with openings anime episodes never take more than 23 min sharp, and without openings they are about 19 minutes. That means that 1/3 of the show is in ads, and even broadcasting channels who usually show far more commercials than cable channels, do not take up 1/3 of the show in commercial adds. I tried recording, and usual live-show without commercials lasts 44 minutes. So taking 1/3 of the show's time in commercials, is too much. And I am not sure but is there some kind of law against too much of commercials on TV? Or was it just talk?