Smallville and Birds Of Prey

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Does anyone know if "Smallville" is in the same universe as "Birds Of Prey"? I know Huntress made a comment about Meteor showers but that could have been a little in-joke...what do you think? Yeah, I know they are in completly different time periods, but are they in the same universe?

[Bleu Unicorn]

I believe that Birds Of Prey takes place in the future. Don't quote me on that. But as Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are relatively the same age comic-wise, I would think this is the same for these two shows. Also, speaking of Huntress's comment about the "meteor showers" -- she also said that there was "no opening for Junior Supergirl." Which makes me think that Clark's an adult in BOP.

Who knows for sure, though. Nothing's in concrete here.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

If they had a guest appearance with Superman, maybe Tom Welling could play him...because he kind of looks grown up as well. Think that might work? He kind of looks to old on Smallville anyway, so him being older shouldn't be too far fetched.

[Barb Gordon]

It is the future. Simply put, Smallville is a prequel whereas Birds of Prey is a sequel. As such, Smallville things would have happened a while back. Clark has been Superman for a while in the BoP timeline.

~Barb

[cysurf]

There should probably be about 30 years difference between the two shows, although I guess they could just be different universes.

[Russkafin]

The creators have said they would like to have a young, "Pre-Batman" Bruce Wayne show up on Smallville.... so if they are in the same universe, BOP must be set considerably later into the future, since Bruce has already become Batman and apparently given up the mantle by the time BOP takes place.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Russkafin
The creators have said they would like to have a young, "Pre-Batman" Bruce Wayne show up on Smallville.... so if they are in the same universe, BOP must be set considerably later into the future, since Bruce has already become Batman and apparently given up the mantle by the time BOP takes place.

Yes, we already knew that, but I was just wondering if they take place in the same universe...I know the two shows take place in different time periods, but are they in the same universe? I think they are, but does anybody else know?

[Kal-el]

I was thinking about starting a thread just like this, but was slow out of the blocks.
The way I see it, according to the basic BOP timeline referenced during the pilot, Superman would be well into his career as Superman...maybe to the point were the Justice League is formed. That raises another question in my mind. I wonder if anyone in the BOP timeline knows of Batman's whereabouts. Does Alfred? Batgirl/Oracle? Superman? The JL (if they are formed at this time, of course)? If nobody knows, is anyone searching for him?
Granted, my line of thinking is infused with the current DCU continuity, and as such I'm plugging in what I know to the BOP timeline to make some continuity sense. It is possible that BOP, being loosely based on the BOP comic, is also existing in a DCU loosely based on the current universe. If that is the case, I guess anything is possible.
I would assume I'm not the only one trying to make sense of the TV BOP universe by using the existing DCU. Most likely there will be comments made throughout the series to give us an idea of what is going on with the rest of world. Even quick and simple comments or news headlines about Lex, Superman, the JL, Smallville, Metropolis, etc. will lay out at least a basic understanding and framework for the environment surrounding BOP.

At the very least it provides great fanfic fodder...

[Webryder]

I'm guessing how the two show's relate to each other will be much like the animated Batman and Superman series did and also Buffy and Angel. Smallville and Birds are produced by the same two people so they'd probably want the two shows connected by the same reality so that any other character or show they create will also be bound by their preset continuities too with both series.

I have an idea that that's one of the biggest, if not the sole reason Birds was set in the future instead of the present, so it'd flow in the same timeline as Smallville which since Smallville is based in 2002, where Clark is 16, that'd probably make BoP come in somewhere around 2015-2020.

Think of it like this, from Smallville's point of view,

New Gotham is still Gotham City,

Bruce is in his early 20's (assuming he's in his late-30's in Birds), same age as Lex

Oracle is in her preteens (assuming she's in her late-20's in Birds),

Huntress is anywhere from 2mons-2years of age (assuming she's just barely legal drinking age in Birds)

And Dinah.......that's right you guessed it, isn't even a glint in her unknown father's eye (assuming she's 15 in Birds), a good 5 years away from birth.


But this is just speculation along with a healthy dose of assumptions, I could be very wrong :D

[Steven C]

I think BoP and Smallville are both in the present time.

If BoP was in the future and and Smallville in the past, why would Huntress call the meteor rocks "meteorites" and not "krypotonite"?? If Superman was around for a while, people would know about kryptonite. And how would she know that kryptonite in Smallville makes super villians???

[Webryder]

Originally posted by Steven C
I think BoP and Smallville are both in the present time.

If BoP was in the future and and Smallville in the past, why would Huntress call the meteor rocks "meteorites" and not "krypotonite"?? If Superman was around for a while, people would know about kryptonite. And how would she know that kryptonite in Smallville makes super villians???

If what you say is true Steven, that'd mean that inside the continuity the two shows have set, Batman and Superman are around 20-25 years apart in age! Wow! :eek:

Batman'll be damn near retirement whenever Clark starts to get the idea to become a superhero.

And what about that Junior Supergirl quip Huntress made to Dinah when she asked to join the team??

For your theory to be right, Superman would already have had to be on the job long enough for his name to be apart of pop culture.

Also if Smallville and BoP shared the same timeline, why was it advertised with it being set in the future, it'd just be present day, same as SV right?

I'm not saying you're wrong, far from it, just stating what I know.....or that is, what I think I know. I'll leave you to make up your own mind as to what they collectively mean **shrugs**


Your guess is as good as mine at this point.

[Steven C]

Originally posted by Webryder
If what you say is true Steven, that'd mean that inside the continuity the two shows have set, Batman and Superman are around 20-25 years apart in age! Wow! :eek:

Batman'll be damn near retirement whenever Clark starts to get the idea to become a superhero.

And what about that Junior Supergirl quip Huntress made to Dinah when she asked to join the team??

For your theory to be right, Superman would already have had to be on the job long enough for his name to be apart of pop culture.

Also if Smallville and BoP shared the same timeline, why was it advertised with it being set in the future, it'd just be present day, same as SV right?

I'm not saying you're wrong, far from it, just stating what I know.....or that is, what I think I know. I'll leave you to make up your own mind as to what they collectively mean **shrugs**


Your guess is as good as mine at this point.

BoP was advertised about being in the future??? I didnt know that.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

How could it not be in the future? It's set after Batman's retirement, plus there's a lot of high-tech in the show, stuff that probably wouldn't exist in this modern world. By the way, "Smallville" is not in the past, in the present. I think Birds Of Prey takes place around 30 years in the future. The stuff that happens in current comics probably takes place about 15 years after the events of "Smallville," that would make Alfred a little bit younger probably.

[Steven C]

How could it not be in the future? It's set after Batman's retirement, plus there's a lot of high-tech in the show, stuff that probably wouldn't exist in this modern world. By the way, "Smallville" is not in the past, in the present. I think Birds Of Prey takes place around 30 years in the future. The stuff that happens in current comics probably takes place about 15 years after the events of "Smallville," that would make Alfred a little bit younger probably.

The "high tech" stuff in BoP isnt very high tech. The only thing remotely high tech is when Barbara was looking through Dinah's eyes. And that "theory" has been around for a long time. Batman has always been more technology advanced then everyone else.


And what about that Junior Supergirl quip Huntress made to Dinah when she asked to join the team??

For your theory to be right, Superman would already have had to be on the job long enough for his name to be apart of pop culture.

Since Huntress made that supergirl comment, thats means Supergirl has been around for a while now, but Superman has been around for yrs!!!

Another thing is that the "supergirl" comment could have been a generic term. Huntress and Oracle did mention they fought "super villians", so maybe they consider themselves "super heroes". Since Dinah is a a teen shes "Jr" and a "girl" so they called her "jr supergirl". That sounds better than saying a "jr superhero"

But what about the "meteor rocks" Smallville reference. Do villians only come from Smallville and Gotham??? If so these 2 cities are the super villian capitols of the world.

The Meteor rocks are news in Smallville all the time, so its news everywhere else too. How would Huntress know about "meteor rocks" making "krypto-villans teens" 20-30 yrs in the future, but not know the name" kryptonite".

Who ever said in this contunity that Superman and Batman would meet? Maybe they are 20 yrs apart We all know this doesnt follow the comics now. Bruce is not likely to be on Smallville ever cause of licences and stuff like that.

Im starting to think this is a totally different universe now.
I dunno, whatever. This is a much needed break from work pretty fun. You guys are cool!!!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

There had been news that a young Bruce Wayne might appear on Smallville on Season 3 or so...I believe Brian Robbins himself said he was thinking about it.