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mbaker
10-08-2002, 04:57 PM
Take your pick.

RZetlin
10-08-2002, 08:18 PM
Personally I would take off Sega Saturn and replace it with the Panasonic 3DO.

meatwad945
10-08-2002, 08:19 PM
um not the saturn because sega is god

Psycho Fox
10-08-2002, 08:35 PM
The Atari 2600 was the first really cool system it shouldn't be on the list it is way too cool.

The Atari 7800 came out way too late and were is the Atari 5200 it is not on your list?

The Turbo Graphic 16 was a really cool machine I remeber way back when the TG16 battled it out with the genny before the SNES entered the scene

The Atari Jaguar was junk but was the last hope for Atari and the very last Atari console that will ever be built. The end of a era.

The Sega Saturn was orginally designed to beat the pants of the Atari Jaguar, CDI, CD32 and 3DO. PSX just blew the orginal plans away and what was released was slaped together.

Virtual Boy was a dumb idea

Philips CDI was what I voted for worse system. Why would anyone in their right mind buy this POS even the Atari Jaguar had better games and the CD32 and 3DO had more power under the hood and the commericals were aimed at idoits.

Psycho Fox
10-08-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by meatwad945
um not the saturn because sega is god One word 32X

Adam Tyner
10-08-2002, 08:37 PM
Hardware-wise, the Jaguar wasn't a bad system by any means. Like the Lynx before it (I was one of the few who bought a Lynx almost immediately upon its release), it just didn't have the software behind it.

Ajax
10-08-2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Psycho Fox

Virtual Boy was a dumb idea



Not to mention it was a dangerous idea too. The Atari Jaguar. 5 of the worst games belong to that system.

Nin-Nin69
10-08-2002, 10:22 PM
WHY IS THE SEGA SATURN UP ON THE POLL?!? :mad: :mad: :mad: THATS ONE OF MY TOP #3 FAVORITE SYSTEMS!!! THAT SYSTEM HAD SOME OF THE GREATEST AND MOST INSPIRATIONAL GAMES EVER CREATED SINCE THE NES AND ATARI 2600!!! HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED BURNING RANGERS, SHINING FORCE 3, FIGHTERS MEGAMIX, VIRTUAL ON, DARK SAVIOR, GUARDIAN HEROS, OR PANZER DRAGOON?!?

<takes a breather>

Anyways the real crap was the Panasonic 3D0. Atari Jaguar and Virtual Boy were also good concepts, but didn't have the games to back them.

Shawn Hopkins
10-08-2002, 11:33 PM
You know, I actually like the 3DO. No system with Return Fire, Twisted and Shockwave games can be all bad. It's also one of the best platforms to play American Laser Games shooting games, has decent ports of fmv-based games and features a sorta groovy Yu Yu Hakusho game.

To each his own, I guess.

The worst thing I've played which was marketed as a console was my Action Max. Shoot at videotapes and watch your score on a red led? Fun! :rolleyes: Mine was actually broken, but I don't think it made a difference.

Psycho Fox
10-08-2002, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Nin-Nin69
WHY IS THE SEGA SATURN UP ON THE POLL?!? :mad: :mad: :mad: THATS ONE OF MY TOP #3 FAVORITE SYSTEMS!!! THAT SYSTEM HAD SOME OF THE GREATEST AND MOST INSPIRATIONAL GAMES EVER CREATED SINCE THE NES AND ATARI 2600!!! HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED BURNING RANGERS, SHINING FORCE 3, FIGHTERS MEGAMIX, VIRTUAL ON, DARK SAVIOR, GUARDIAN HEROS, OR PANZER DRAGOON?!?

Well hardware wise the Saturn was ummm junk. Only Sega them selves could make it fly other then them the PSX blew the Saturn away. If Sega bailed on the Saturn when they saw the PSX comming and never released it the Dreamcast would have had a better chance of success. Actully I'm kinda mad at Sega for giving up the Dreamcast so easily even though the Saturn bombed too. Sega didn't give up when the SG1000 bombed nor when the SC3000 or the SF7000 no they kept at it and finnaly got it right and released the SMS and supported it till the end of the 16-bit era even though it only survied (meaning it was not in the red).

Why they supported the Saturn for so long yet not the Dreamcast is beyond me.

ButteredToast
10-09-2002, 06:34 AM
Philips CDI, hands down. Have you ever seen the Zelda games made for them?

*shudder*

mbaker
10-09-2002, 07:23 AM
I forgot about the 3DO. Thanks. The Saturn's only weakness was in 3D games. The Titan hardware just wasn't right for AM Model 2, or 3 looking games. 2D games were A different story. If The Dreamcast was made around the same time as the Saturn, it would've blown the Playstation out of the water. The only good thing about the Phillips CDI was that they had perfect ports of "Dragon's Lair" & "Space Ace", but now you can get the DVDs, and enjoy them on either the PS2, or Xbox.

Feslmogh
10-09-2002, 10:18 AM
Hey, let's not forget the bug-ridden Coleco ADAM.

Psycho Fox
10-09-2002, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by mbaker
I forgot about the 3DO. Thanks. The Saturn's only weakness was in 3D games. The Titan hardware just wasn't right for AM Model 2, or 3 looking games. 2D games were A different story. If The Dreamcast was made around the same time as the Saturn, it would've blown the Playstation out of the water. Sega could have never released the Dreamcast around the time of the Saturn it would even be a streatch for Sega to release the Dreamcast around the time of the N64. If I ran Sega during then I would have simply abandoned the Saturn before it was released, maybe try and turn the 2D version of the Saturn into a hand held. Other then that devlop for PSX and try and squeeze some ports onto the Genny and Sega CD. Quickly fading out the 32X maybe giving dicounts for 32x owners (all 3 of them :cool: ) Then when it came to releasing the Dreamcast it wouldn't have to deal with the shame of the Saturn.

Killtacular
10-09-2002, 10:54 AM
The Dreamcast should've been released.

It was one of the greatest short-lived consoles ever (if you can call 3 and a half years short).

Psycho Fox
10-09-2002, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Matt Wilson
The Dreamcast should've been released.

It was one of the greatest short-lived consoles ever (if you can call 3 and a half years short). No aguments here just that if the Saturn was never relased the Dreamcast might have done better and Sega could have supported the Dreamcast longer like it how supported the SMS till the end of the 16-bit era and it supported systems that did far worse like SG-1000,SC-3000 and SF-7000

guinaevere
10-09-2002, 04:41 PM
The Atari Jaguar was, hardware-wise, an excellent system for its' day.

I voted for it however, because it had the shortest life-span of any of the systems I've owned, owing to the severe lack of games. We bought it the day it was released, and it took less than a year for it to be a rather expensive, albeit stylish, door stop.

Nin-Nin69
10-09-2002, 06:08 PM
The Saturn's only weakness was in 3D games

It was mostly the early creations were total crap, but as the system went on it got better and had a major improvement in Japan after it was canceled in the US. :) But it dosen't beat the PSX still. :rolleyes:

Zyzzybalubah
10-09-2002, 08:36 PM
I disagree with the people saying that Saturn and Dreamcast should have never been released. It's 32X that should have never been released. I mean what's the use of it? In a comparison, the graphics of Mortal Kombat 2 still remained better looking on Super NES over the 32X version (maybe that's just the developer, but come on!). From what I saw Virtua Racing (done on Genesis already) and Virtua Fighter 1 were the only graphically impressive games that system offered. This is what hurt Sega Saturn sales.

I think it's the marketing and the fact two system add-ons failing which lead to Saturn's downfall which lead to the downfall of Dreamcast and Sega as a hardware developer. They didn't do enough hype ads for Saturn and maybe it was just me, but the system started showing up in stores out of nowhere. While they had Virtua Fighter 1 and some other cool arcade ports they lacked some killer titles at launch (where was the Sonic game?). Nights was a good game, but I would have rather seen Sonic X-Treme any day over that. I can't believe Yuji Naka was going to quit if he didn't get the Sonic X-Treme engine for Nights, that makes me respect him a little less.

As for the worst system ever, IMO it would either be 32X (I rented and it was very bugged and I heard others who owned it had the same problems) or Virtual Boy (now that was just stupid. RED AND BLACK?!?!?!?!)

Psycho Fox
10-09-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Rad Recker
I disagree with the people saying that Saturn and Dreamcast should have never been released. It's 32X that should have never been released. I mean what's the use of it? In a comparison, the graphics of Mortal Kombat 2 still remained better looking on Super NES over the 32X version (maybe that's just the developer, but come on!). From what I saw Virtua Racing (done on Genesis already) and Virtua Fighter 1 were the only graphically impressive games that system offered. This is what hurt Sega Saturn sales.

I think it's the marketing and the fact two system add-ons failing which lead to Saturn's downfall which lead to the downfall of Dreamcast and Sega as a hardware developer. They didn't do enough hype ads for Saturn and maybe it was just me, but the system started showing up in stores out of nowhere. While they had Virtua Fighter 1 and some other cool arcade ports they lacked some killer titles at launch (where was the Sonic game?). Nights was a good game, but I would have rather seen Sonic X-Treme any day over that. I can't believe Yuji Naka was going to quit if he didn't get the Sonic X-Treme engine for Nights, that makes me respect him a little less.

As for the worst system ever, IMO it would either be 32X (I rented and it was very bugged and I heard others who owned it had the same problems) or Virtual Boy (now that was just stupid. RED AND BLACK?!?!?!?!) AHHHH!!! I said the Dreamcast could not have been released at the time of the Saturn was, I was replying to mbaker noone here is saying the Dreamcast should not have been released.

Anyway I too think the 32x was a sick joke and it took support away from the Sega CD that could have been a decent add on if Sega supported it instead of the 32x but the Saturn was no PSX it was slaped together and had numerous bottle necks.

Lucky Bob
10-09-2002, 11:35 PM
Virtual Boy. Great concept, lousy red screen.

Rabbiterose
10-10-2002, 02:52 AM
:dot:

....I can't believe Yuji Naka was going to quit if he didn't get the Sonic X-Treme engine for Nights, that makes me respect him a little less.


Actually, Yuji Naka already had the NiGHTs engine before STI(the programers for Sonic X-Treme). He just didn't want STI to use the engine for Sonic X-treme.

Christopher N. Denner
10-11-2002, 04:41 AM
That's "Turbo Grafx-16" and it ruled.

I'll go with CDI, if not for those horrible Zelda games.

SNS
10-13-2002, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Rad Recker
Virtual Boy (now that was just stupid. RED AND BLACK?!?!?!?!)

Was the Game Boy stupid for being shades of Green? (which it was at the time the Virtual Boy was released)

The Jinjo
10-14-2002, 07:51 PM
probably XBOX. But PS2 is terriffic. But.....not as good as GC. Sorry microsoft, but Bill made a boo boo.

unknown hero
10-15-2002, 10:58 AM
sega saturn was just an overpriced, underhyped (thankfully) machine

wrenchien
10-16-2002, 03:16 AM
atari 2600 ruled, the 3d0 drooled, and i'd just have to say that sega saturn wasn't cool.

Zyzzybalubah
10-16-2002, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by SNS
Was the Game Boy stupid for being shades of Green? (which it was at the time the Virtual Boy was released)

You're right about Gameboy only being greens shades and being successful. But think about it: Gameboy came out about 5 years before Virtual Boy. The competitors released colored portable consoles in-between the time of these two systems (yes I know they all failed too, that includes Game Gear). You think that some kind of impovement would happen with Virtual Boy the "successor" to Game Boy, but they just changed the shades of Green to Red. Add the fact it wasn't really portable, and not to mention I believe it was over $100 at launch. Really, who would want to pay that much for a system that is only red and black when you could get one that is portable, has the same number of colors (4 shades of Green, close enough), and has established a big library of video games for half that price, or maybe even less if VB cost more than that (which I believe it did).

SNS
10-16-2002, 08:08 PM
Yes but if the Virtual Boy was color then it would be even more expensive.

Zyzzybalubah
10-16-2002, 08:46 PM
Yeah it definitely would be. I guess the final conclusion I have is that it (Virtual Boy) was a concept ahead of its time. I remember at one time Sega wanted to make a VR headset for the Genesis, as a kid I really wanted that bad. It never came out though. Does anyone have any idea what came about for that? Well if it costed as much as the Sega CD did when it first came out (possibly more) I guess it could just only be one more to add to the list of failing Sega hardware.

SNS
10-16-2002, 08:50 PM
That Sega product you are talking about was cancelled. It cost them a lot of money though since they were close to finishing it.

cartoongirl
10-17-2002, 12:32 AM
I personally don't like Sega Saturn & Virtual Boy.

JohnCrichton
10-17-2002, 10:00 AM
Playstation was my worst system.

I know that alot of people found fun in it, but I don't know what it was, but besides Wild ARMs, the system only had games I got that continually and utterly pissed me off.

That was the system I found the least amount of joy in.

Apologies.

:(