S:TAS "Apokolips...Now!, Parts 1 & 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss this classic two-part Superman: The Animated Series episode!


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Episode #33 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 1
Original Airdate - February 7th, 1998.
Darkseid brings his battle against Superman to Earth. While all looks hopeless, Orion, an escapee from Apokolips' firepits, teams up with Superman to defeat Darkseid's advances.

Episode #35 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 2
Original Airdate - February 14th, 1998.
Steppenwolf, a hunter from Apokolips, joins Darkseid in his battle to take over Earth, which results in a crushing blow to Metropolis and Superman -- the death of a friend.

Comments?

[Nightwing]

What? Nightwings first? Aren't you sweet! This IS the first part of my favorite Superman episode anyways you know.

As a fan of the general superhero and/or good vs evil stories of the comic and sci fi world, Apokolips NOW ranks at the very top of my list. Dan Turpin is my favorite Superman character ever, and I would never miss an episode with him.

And by far this is his best. You could tell from the very beginning he and Darkseid would clash as far as personalities go. So in order for Darkseid's plan to go down right....well, I'm getting ahead of myself. :)

I liked the second part more than the first, but the first is still excellent as a Superman episode IMO. I loved, particularly, in the scene where Clark encounters his first bit of the Apokolips onslaught to come with that tank. We find out that (1) who ever is involved with this is TOTALL knew and different, so much so they have technology that can hurt Superman, and (2) WAY big things are going to go down in this episde, shown by the devistation that tank (and that small sound generator) left.

I may just be over anxious like a kid on Christmas morning for CN showing this episode, but I'm giving all the stars I can. :)

[Bleu Unicorn]

I watched this episode for the very first time last Sunday and rushed over here to gush and gush and gush about it -- and there wasn't a talkback! (I've had that happen with a LOT of STAS eps, btw.) In fact, I wanted to gush so badly, I almost created the thread -- but I noticed it was airing in a week and felt that was pointless. So, now that you've gotten my whole life story, onto the talking back.

I love this episode...'nuff said. :D Like a lot of the two-parter episodes in STAS and BTAS I tend to think of this one as just one big episode. There is just so much crammed in this arc that I don't even know where to begin.

Bruno's back and he's causing mayhem everywhere -- and we find out it's Darkseid behind it all. Not a big suprise, since last we saw Bruno he was stuck on Apokolips. But the neat stuff is the story behind Darkseid. I don't know about anyone else, but stuff like that is why I love these series. I love learning about the characters and seeing them go beyond just being super-powered heroes. Plus, I'm not a big Superman comic reader, so a lot of these characters are lost on me.

There's so much to say, I don't know where to go from here, I'll just say that this is definitely one of my favorite STAS episodes -- if not the favorite. Five stars -- very well deserved! :D

[JTurner954]

Before I begin, I would just like to say that this is a great block. Whenever my Fox affiliate messes up (and this has been happening more and more often), Cartoon Network has great programming to calm me down.

Anyway, I gave the episode 4 stars. I also didn't have any previous knowledge of these characters so it made me like the episode even more. I think this is the first series where I saw a cartoon character(s) bleed. No major complaints as usual except for wondering why this series hasn't been on DVD yet.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Let me just says this. Apokolips, Now! is among the best of S:TAS. But it isn't until part 2 that we see how truly evil Darkseid is.

[James Harvey]

A great episode. I love how everything builds up to a great finale at the end. Plus, the widescreen sequence with the Apokolips/New Genesis sequence is one of the most amazing sequences of the entire series. The animation in that sequence is just breath taking at times. Plus...Orion! Who is just so damn cool in this episode. This episode is pretty intense from start to finish - making it just one of the best S:TAS, and animated, episodes in recent history. Bar none just amazing.

[The Penguin]

This episode is great and it really builds you up going into the no doubt exciting part 2!

For the first time in the series I really got a feeling for what Dan Turpin is all about and how much the law means to him. Until this point I've just seen him as the law man who doesn't like Superman doing "his" job.

Darkseid is just pure evil plain and simple and the cowering Bruno plays off of him very nicely.

Part 2 airs October 19 and I can't wait!

[superprime]

This is truely a great episode. We learn about Darkseid's past and get our first introdution to the New Gods. We also start to see how evil and treacherous(sp) Darkseid is when he abandons Bruno at the nuclear plant. Granted it isn't anything compared to the stuff he does in part 2 but it's a start. It sure stinks we have to wait two weeks for Part 2.

[Simpler Simon]

Awesome, awesome episode. Love the widescreen telling of the New Gods/Darkseid story (what once was whole was split asunder), it'd be cool if when STAS gets released to DVD, that scene gets the anamorphic treatment (is that possible?) And who doesn't love the final scene with the power plant exploding (note that we can see Bruno's boat flip over in the corner, implying that he didn't make it, but not really making it a major point), the wordless chior going off, and that huge mushroom cloud rising out of the water? Simply epic. And foreboding.

Two points: What was the anti-life equation, it was kind of glossed over, and they never referred to it again. And what was the point of Orion giving Supes the signal device? It was immediately deemed worthless half a minute into part 2. Orion could have said something like "I'll return with help as soon as I can. And you *will* need my help."

[I.R Joey]

Incredible episode, just fantastic, and Turpin's death was just so moving.

"Farewell my freind in the end the world didn't need a Superman, just a brave one."


5/5

[David Lucas]

For some reason I always thought Turpin died in Legacy. It just made more sense to me, I mean to have something like that in the last episode isn't really risky since you're done anyways.

Seeing now that it was halfway through the series, not only am I pissed but I'm speechless.

Sit tight this is going to be a long one.

The last 10 minutes of this episode, is in my opinion, one of the greatest moments in all of animated history. Darkseid's voice is so creepy when he tell superman "...has it's priiice." He gives that creepy smile and out of NOWHERE, without ANYONE expecting it, blows up Turpin RIGHT ON SCREEN. The look of sheer horror on what's her names face when she sees it on TV makes me feel horrible for them.

And then, we are privy to one of the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in anything America's created. We get a priest chanting in latin, even saying "Amen", then Superman crying his eyes out, with a sunset in the background, a silloutte of Supes, a wonderful piano solo for BGM, and as already mentioned....my favorite line in the entire series.

"Goodbye old friend, in the end, the world didn't need a Superman.....just a brave one."

and then another dramatic sillouette. Wow. I've seen a lot of cartoons in my life, and the scene right after Tim Drake shoots Joker in ROTJ and when Morph "dies" in X-Men: TAS are the only two moments that made me wanna cry.

"SOLDIER BOY HERE LEFT EM BEHIND!! FOR ALL WE KNOW MORPH AND BEAST MAY STILL BE ALIVE!!"

"...............beast.....is........."

"......what about Morph?"

<Jean breaks out in tears while Storm cries on the Blackbird, and Gambit butts in>

"He's gone, mon ami."

Sorry for that lil break away from the topic at hand, but I just love it when american animation censors and standards suprise me with something so touching. Greatest episode WB ever animated of anything, this episode of Supes.

Now for the pissed off part......

........Jim Harvey recently interviewed one of the X-Men: Evo people, and he said that you're not allowed to have "blood, hits to the head, guns, death, references to religion" etc etc. Then how the hell did Superman pull off every single one of those in this one episode?!?!

We had a PRIEST saying a PRAYER and finishing off with AMEN!!!! (unless he was a rabbi and I was mistaken) I'm a catholic, and I don't care either way, it added so much to the feel and the scene that I was in shock. The term "Oh My God" isn't allowed in animation these days because "some find it offensive'" And I'm sick of that!! I hate that everyone thinks everything is offensive these days.

This episode clearly shows that you can say "Oh my lord." and not have people with picket signs at your door.

A simple character didn't fall out a window or something either. One of the MAIN characters, one that we all love, was un-mercifully blown to kingdome come in front of a large crowd of people. To which Superman yells out "MURDERER!!"

I've asked before why DID Batman and Superman get special treatment. Some would say that policies have gotten stricter over the years, but Batman and Superman were ALWAYS the only cartoons I heard say "die" "kill" and "murder". Even X-Men rarely got to ever say either one. Why can't all cartoons go by these standards? American animation would just be so much better if retarded censors weren't thrown into the mix.

I'm not saying I want someone to die every 5 minutes, or "I'll kill you." every other sentence. I'm saying that I'm fed up with people that I know can give us some truly great moments in animation, restricted because some execs are afraid of the repercussions.

We're painting over blood in ADULT SWIM for God's sake, why?!

Sorry for the rant, I do this every now and then, especially since I'm watching the Joker throw grenades and point guns at people, where as usually every automatic weapon has to be a laser of some sort. Videogames, movies, and Eminem I can see having censors , but friggin CARTOONS?! Ugh, once again, I apologize.

Jojo

[TheScarecrow]

Wow! Just... wow!

This was a GREAT episode. Everything from the dialogue (Darkseid's speech to earth, Superman's final words to Dan Turpin's grave, you name it) to the action scenes to the animation to the voice acting to the musical score... it was all SUPER. :D

Oh, and that ending! :eek: I mean I taped this episode just for that reason, and I wasn't disappointed in the slightest with how it all played out.

I rarely give these shows a ***** because it's not something I hand out. Most of the time, the highest I've gone is ****1/2 because of a flaw here and there, but this time I couldn't see any flaws.

***** from me here!

[The Penguin]

"Good-bye old friend. In the end the world didn't need a super man, just brave one." - Superman, Apocalypse… Now! Part 2

I knew it was coming, but I still wasn't prepared for it. I knew by the time this episode was over Dan Turpin was going to die. I knew Darkseid was going to kill him. I just didn't know how. After Dan vanished into nothing I admit I didn't cry, but I was dang close. You know that feeling you get when you're sad, but you don't actually burst into tears? I had that feeling coupled with a look of shock.

Metropolis was a rather frightening mess after those winged things showed up. It truly was Apocalypse. It was nice seeing Turpin helping Superman. You wouldn't normally see the Inspector going out of his way for him. It was a nice change. After Maggie got hurt in Part 1 I think it really awoke somthing in Inspector Dan Turpin that wasn't there before. Sure he cared about the city and its citizens, but now he realized it was a job he couldn't do alone. And anyone who helped the city, even Superman, was welcome. :)

Most people would not have stood up to a powerful looking being who had beaten down Superman, but it's obvious Dan Turpin wasn't most people. The thought that he would call out "In a pig's eye!" to a visitor who has just said he is taking over the world just shows what kind of a man he really was. Dan Turpin truly was "a brave one." :(

[Webryder]

Let me start off by saying, fantastic episode!! It’s epic stories like this that got me hooked into comics in the first place. This ep. Along with part 1 was definitely on par with any BTAS eps. on the air ever. It’s one of the few conclusions in a two-parter I can remember actually being better than the first. :D :D :D

Btw, did anyone notice the tombstone at the end? When I saw that the design of Dan Turpin’s headstone remarkably resembled the one on the cover of the death of Superman#75, it got me thinking of some interesting parallels. Both the stories included Superman going up against an seemingly unstoppable foe that threatened to endanger the world, focusing in on, of course Big Blue’s home city of Metropolis but while in the comics the job of stopping the threat fell almost solely on Supes shoulders, “Apokolips…Now” got everyone involved and made it the citizens of Metropolis and the SCU’s (lead by Dan Turpin) fight.

I think the writers did this on purpose and what clinched it in my mind was thinking about the quote, “In the end…the world didn’t really need a Super-man, just a brave one.” They were paying homage to the original comics story where Superman defeated the unstoppable bad guy all on his own costing him his life, and saying that in this battle he couldn’t do it all by himself but needed help from the people because this fight was just as much theirs as it was his. The cost of helping Superman take on that fight was that someone had to die instead so he could live on to be their champion for the battles that was still to come. The symbolic giving of a life for a life by the people was the every-man’s champion, Dan Turpin.



On a side note, this episode also brings to mind a concern I have for Darksied’s upcoming appearance on the Justice League. I’ve read everybody’s posts about how they can’t wait till season 2 for him to show up and I’ve gotta say it probably won’t be the same. To prove my point, remember back when Luthor showed up in “Injustice for All”? When Superman and Luthor had their first real scene together in the new show it just seemed to fall flat to me. The chemistry and tension that’d been built up all throughout STAS was barely there at all. It felt kinda empty and hollow to watch them and I didn’t expect that in the slightest but I knew why.

It was because it wasn’t the same Superman. They changed him so much he barely resembled the one from STAS other than the namesake. All the electricity that scene was supposed to have after years of Luthor trying to kill Superman with Kryptonite while ironically it ends up slowly killing him then he turns around and blames Superman for it (that’s good drama) was no where to be found. That scene should’ve sizzled with energy and it just didn’t. It wasn’t Luthor's fault because his character had pretty much the same personality from the STAS version. It was the revamped Superman that caused the "continuity connection glitch" in my subconscious that couldn’t allow me to feel any of the animosity/contempt (of Lex toward Supes) or the subtle empathy/responsibility (of Superman for Luthor) the writers were going for in that scene.

This is how I believe the scenes with Darkseid and Superman are going to unfortunately end up when Darkseid makes his debut on JL. All the hatred these characters built up for each other in “Apokolips…Now” and “Legacy” will be lost if the writers try to connect those events to what should come across between these two in Darkseid’s return episode on JL. :(

So to sum it up....in my opinion, the next big head to head between Darkseid and Superman on Justice League won’t be as dramatic as it should be because basically there are two different Supermen. I know this is a bit off topic but that's where my thought processes were while I was watching this episode earlier this morning.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

I held my tears in until the words "Not the end" appeared. Then it said Dedicated to Jack Kirby. I cried like a little girl.

[Bleu Unicorn]

This is one of the most well-deserved episode of five stars! As I said in the Part 1 talkback, though I tend to not think of this episode as two parts, more of as one big episode. While having said that, obviously I'd give it the same rating, but this half, to me, really stands out.

There is just so much in this episode to talk about, I literally could go on forever. Most of it has been said, but repetition is never a bad thing. Dan's death stands out as a rather monumental thing on its own, but especially in a cartoon series. It still is rivotting after seeing this episode so many times -- and I'm glad for that, since it should be. The funeral itself is one of the poignant and dramatic pieces of work that I have ever watched -- and that is not just limited to this or other cartoon series, I'm talking period.

The action scenes in this episode are some of the best there is. The threat is really there -- and for once it isn't just Superman feeling the threat and doing stuff about it. Everyone is fighting and they're not going to just let Darkseid walk all over their planet and turn it into a living inferno a la Apokolips. That said, having everyone around helping in their respective ways doesn't detract from Superman in the least and I think that's a point on the part of the writers. It's easy to do when you've got a lot of people running around to throw your main guy for a loop -- and this worked so beautifully. Even when Orion and the other New Olympians showed up.

I love how in continuity the Darkseid arc really is. this episode obviously leads very well into "Legacy" but it also builds upon the other Darkseid episodes that came before it. And it really is a testament to detail that all these things work so well on their own and together.

Anyway, I could ramble on forever about this -- I really find it as one of the best of the best!

[MILatino]

I gave this one ****½


Originally posted by David Lucas
Darkseid's voice is so creepy when he tell superman "...has it's priiice." He gives that creepy smile and out of NOWHERE, without ANYONE expecting it, blows up Turpin RIGHT ON SCREEN. The look of sheer horror on what's her names face when she sees it on TV makes me feel horrible for them.I agree with you there! I thought, "Wow! They actually showed a murder. Grant it, it wasn't graphic; it was just one second he's there, the next he's not. There was no blood and exiting death scene, but they did it." I was impressed that finally the censors didn't coddle the possible outcrys.


And then, we are privy to one of the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in anything America's created. We get a priest chanting in latin, even saying "Amen", then Superman crying his eyes out, with a sunset in the background, a silloutte of Supes, a wonderful piano solo for BGM,Actually, it wasn't Latin, it was Hebrew; and the man was a Rabbi. I was very impressed with this. First off, I was raised Catholic and grew up to become an atheist. Now I'm more of a spiritualist. Just because I'm this way doesn't mean everyone else has to be. To see someone non-Christian have a TV funeral is rare. Not everyone is Christian. Kudos to the writers.


and as already mentioned....my favorite line in the entire series.

"Goodbye old friend, in the end, the world didn't need a Superman.....just a brave one."Great quote. B:TAS has some memorable ones. So far, this is the only one in S:TAS that I will remember, especially since September 11, 2001.

The plot was simple enough, power-hungry madman wants the earth. It's been done many times before, but I didn't mind it again here because it was done well. I liked the way the citizens of Metropolis didn't just cower and run and let Superman handle everything like they usually do. So many times I've heard myself yell at the TV: "Where the heck are the police? Something just blew up and is Superman the only one who noticed? People are running and scattering in the streets... did anyone call the cops?"

Not only did the police do something, but individual people did something. Turpin did something. Finally we got to see how good a cop he was. The only reason I didn't teary-eyed for him was because we really didn't get to see much of him like we saw of Det. Bullock on B:TAS. If Bullock would've gotten vaporized, I would've felt more for him because I got to know him a little.

Luthor... watching... Just watching... Interesting. He didn't offer help from LexCorp, and you know he has weapons. Yet he didn't. Was it because he wanted Darkseid to kill Superman for him? Hmmm... interesting...

Maggie Sawyer and Toby: Excellent. The adults knew the score. The kiddies probably assumed sisters. It wasn't "in your face" and it didn't have to be, but it was included. Like I said about Turpin's religion, just because most people are one way doesn't mean everyone else is. Excellent.

My dislikes: The reason this didn't get five stars was this: Where the heck was the Justice League? Even if they were not an official group, the individual members should have banded together just like they did in "Secret Origins". Didn't the rest of them notice what was going on? If not the Justice League, the Green Lantern of this sector of space should have been there. That's his job. The ending still could have been the same. GL would have only made the battle scenes even more interesting.

Everyone is going to be PO-ed at Clark Kent for not showing up to Turpin's funeral. Clark should've been there next to Lois, then later he should have come back and then delivered his line as Superman.

The nuclear power plant blew up in a mushroom cloud and Metropolis was barely affected. Those people should all at least vaporized, if not suffered major radiation burns. They were that close. At the very minimum, that whole city will suffer terrible cancer effects in about 20 years.

[BeastBoyWonder]

I thought this episode was fantastic, both parts of it. It's my favorite two-parter from STAS, and one of my most favorite story arcs of all time. To me, it was flawless.

[Simpler Simon]

The reason this didn't get five stars was this: Where the heck was the Justice League? Even if they were not an official group, the individual members should have banded together just like they did in "Secret Origins". Didn't the rest of them notice what was going on? If not the Justice League, the Green Lantern of this sector of space should have been there. That's his job. The ending still could have been the same. GL would have only made the battle scenes even more interesting.

It's the same reason the JLU didn't help Terry when Joker was slicing through the city with his satellite laser in ROTJ, and why the other heroes didn't stop Superman later on in Legacy - it's not real :) Comic book heroes always protect their own cities by themselves, which is why Supes seldom goes to Gotham, even though he protects the world. Gotham is Batman's territory.

However...GL could've been battling somewhere else, WW is still on her island, Hawkgirl hasn't arrived yet, J'onn is still in hibernation, Aquaman only cares about Atlantis...Batman's probably studying Darkseid on TV, and what could Flash do, really?

And yeah, I LOVED this episode - this was one of the first Superman episodes I watched all the way through, and what got me hooked onto STAS...simply incredible, and who could've predicted that ending?

Two comments:

- If you watch JL's Secret Origins immediately after, something feels horribly wrong. In both situations the world is being attacked by an invading force, yet in JL, everything feels...sanitized. Here, with the blood red sky (something usually reserved for TNBA) and the TONS of debris and destruction, it really feels like there's no hope left.

-I've heard that the mourners at Turpin's funneral are all characters related to Kirby (since Turpin supposedly looks like Kirby), including Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, Fantastic Four, a lot of others, and even cameo appearances by Bruce Timm and the staff. Is this true?

[JTurner954]

4 1/2 stars. Nice plot with a villain (and ally) I never saw before. The Kirby thing at the end was nice even though I didn't know who he was at the time.

I noticed that in shows where a main character dies, it's usually praised as great for that reason alone. I hope the same isn't shown here. You don't need someone to die to make a good episode. And I think there is a slim chance that Turpin might be alive because we've seen where people were zapped and transported to work on Apokolips .... plus he was shown in that episode where we see him in the future. Either way, I just want to say again that his possible death alone doesn't make it great.

[BrendaBat]

To see someone non-Christian have a TV funeral is rare. Not everyone is Christian. Kudos to the writers.
AMEN :D
Hearing the Rabbi sing made the scene even more poignant for me.


Maggie Sawyer and Toby: Excellent. The adults knew the score. The kiddies probably assumed sisters. It wasn't "in your face" and it didn't have to be, but it was included. Like I said about Turpin's religion, just because most people are one way doesn't mean everyone else is. Excellent.
Ummm....I guess it wasn't "in your face" enough because I assumed sisters, too :o

[Patrick Bateman]

Maggie Sawyer and Toby: Excellent. The adults knew the score. The kiddies probably assumed sisters. It wasn't "in your face" and it didn't have to be, but it was included. Like I said about Turpin's religion, just because most people are one way doesn't mean everyone else is. Excellent.
:eek:

I never even thought of it that way. If that was the case, kudos to Timm & Co. for getting it across in a very subtle manner. It was handled really professionally.

As for the episode itself, it was fantastic! It almost brought tears to my eyes when Darkseid pretty much crucified Superman. And Dan Turpin's courage and refusal to back down made me cheer for him. And what can I say about Superman's rage at the end except..... whoa. He went off "Wolvie berzerk style".

[JohnStewart-GL]

I loved this episode. I dont know which was better this or "Legacy" . "Twilight of the Gods" has some big shoes to fill! I remeber when i first saw this when i was younger i was shocked the killed of Turpin. and I loved seeing the always tame Superman loose his cool. 5 starz!

[Jin Kazama]

This, along with the first episode of the two parter, are my favorite Superman episodes. They define what Superman is, and how to make someone with incredible, god-like powers human. Even before Turpin's death, you still saw a more frightened side of him in reference to Darkseid.

I'd have to say seeing Superman demolish the tank after Turpin's death still gets to me a bit. Just all the frustration Darkseid caused, having it all build up and climax like that. Just seeing him tear apart that metal made you feel for him.

One of the few things I can honestly give 5 stars to.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,

Great episode, although I have to admit knowing Turpin was going to die in the episode made the actual event rather anti-climactic to me. I think it would have had FAR more impact if I didn't know it was coming. I felt the same way about Tasha Yar when they killed her off on ST:TNG.

The funeral was a big tear-jerker, though, and the dedication really hit me right >there<, just like the one for "Legends" on Justice League. Kirby defined so much of what we take for granted (or credit to Stan Lee).

-- Ed/Ace

[katfairy]

So far this has my ONLY 5-star rating. Slightly ironic since I've always preferred Batman to Superman, but haven't rated any of the Bat's episodes that highly.

I saw this for the first time Sunday morning when I was desperately wishing to get to bed, but couldn't tear myself away because I had to see how it would play out. I knew about Turpin's death, but to me knowing about doesn't necessarily negate the effect of actually seeing it. Especially since I didn't expect to actually SEE it. I had expected it to be done off-camera (as it were) and, well.... whoa. The kaddish was absolutely beautiful, and Superman's closing lines were delivered perfectly.

[murmur]

I'll echo some of those sentiments katfairy. I too favor BTAS like most of the board members, but the very best Timm episodes so far have been Superman: Legacy II and The Late Mr. Kent are also better than just about any Batman ep. And I agree with just about every positive comment made about this one.

As far as the Kaddish is concerned: I was very, very impressed. Having been raised as an Orthodox Jew, I get embarrassed when I see prayers botched on TV shows. I'm not religious now, but since I know how the rituals go, it's annoying when I can tell when no attention is paid to detail. Hebrew is usually read very poorly on live action programs, even movies, and the prayers are largely conducted in an unrealistic way. In this episode, the voice actor for the cantor (not necessarily a rabbi) clearly had real life synagogue experience (as well as an excellent singing voice). This cartoon, supposedly for kids, did a far more mature job of addressing Jewish prayer than just about any adult show I've seen. Interestingly, the Kaddish purposefully makes no mention of God's name, but aludes to it, out of respect for the spirit of the deceased. Speaking God's Hebrew name in vain is epecially offensive to religious Jews, so excerpting the Kaddish is a nice way of staying accurate without offending anybody, making the voice actor uncomfortable, or having a direct censorship issue (I wonder if "God" is only forbidden in English though?).

[Livewire]

This two-parter is my absolute favorite episode of S:TAS--even beating out "Legacy." It's flawless. The animation, acting, story--everything was perfect. Turpin's death really cuts you to the core, and the way Superman responded to it all was heartwrenching. 5 stars!

[Caped Crusader]

This is my all-time favorite S:TAS episode. Everything from the animation and writing to the touching ending were all done incredibly well. Five stars for sure.

[Frank White]

"Victory has a price Superman"

When Darkseid said that I just knew something horrible was going to happen. At first it looked like he was going to do something to Superman but when that Omega Beam zig-zagged all I could do was wait. Anyway this ep is easily 5 stars, makes me wish I had seen Pt.1

[BeastBoyWonder]

Hey hey, might as well post my review of this episode here:

MANHEIM: Darkseid! We tried out the tank, just like you said.
DARKSEID: I did not return you to earth so you could indulge in petty theft.
MANHEIM: Petty!!?? We cleared over twenty million!!
DARKSEID: I play for higher stakes.

LOIS: So you're saying not even Superman could stop this thing?
TURPIN: I'm saying we can't always expect one guy to save our sorry butts, even if he is Superman! This time we'll have to tackle it ourselves.

ORION: (grabs Clark Kent) SUPERMAN! Must...warn...Superman (faints)

SUPERMAN: It was a good thing you showed up, Orion.
ORION: It was too easy.
SUPERMAN: Oh, yeah. A real walk in the park.
ORION: Don't mock me. Darkseid will consider this a minor setback, if that. I know how he thinks.
SUPERMAN: Oh?
ORION: Yes. I'm his son.

This fast-paced, action-packed episode introduces and explains the origins of one of Superman's greatest foes in the series: Darkseid. Until now, Darkseid had been a "behind the scenes" influence in Superman's exploits... he was responsible for supplying Intergang with Apokaliptic weapons in "Tools of the Trade", and spurred Kalibak to attempt to engage Superman in battle in "Father's Day". Unlike the previous Darkseid stories, which have consisted primarily of large-scale slug-fests, Apokalips...Now! Part 1 brings not only action on a grander scale, but suspense and quite a bit of character development as well. Instead of handing the entire story to us on a plate like many other Superman: The Animated Series (STAS) episodes, the story continues to get bigger and bigger, and more and more is at stake.

The episode starts off with showing detectives Dan Turpin and Maggie Sawyer wrapping up a case involving Intergang. As they are relishing their victory, a couple of Intergang members in a massive flying tank easily overpower and overwhelm the police, severely wounding Sawyer and stealing the tank back. The musical score greatly aids the quick buildup of the story... from the slow, suspense-building music as the tank approached to the intense, explosive music that bellowed from our speakers as the tank was tearing up the impound, we felt the plight of the Metropolis police force and the despair of Dan Turpin when his comrade fell. Rarely do I feel the murderous rage that Dan Turpin felt as he fired at the escaping tank while watching TV, but this time I was into this story.As the tank escapes, the hero of the show (Superman) appeares to try and stop the tank, but his efforts are ultimately futile. While Superman's inability to catch the perpatrators adds to our frustration, at this point Superman feels almost like a secondary character to Turpin and the rest of the police force. We cut to the hospital scene, where Dan is visiting Maggie in the hospital. Maggie has a "friend" with her, and the more perceptive viewers can usually understand her significance. I thought this was very appropriate for the show... Superman is supposed to be the epitome of perfection, and so must be very tolerant. Therefore, it is very fitting that this show is subtly advocating tolerance of different beliefs and orientations (another good example is the funeral scene in part two). The writers for these shows are the masters of subtlety, and this is a great example of their talent.The next scene with Darksied and Bruno Manheim help add tension to the story, and show the viewers the magnitude of difficulty that our heroes are facing. The robbery that overwhelmed the police and foiled Superman is viewed by Darkseid as simple petty theft. Michael Ironside as Darkseid is just creepy, and we start to see how dark of a villian he really is.

We jump to a press conference with Dan Turpin, and we learn more about his bold and independent nature. Rather than simply telling us "Dan Turpin is brave. Dan Turpin likes to do things himself whenever possible", the writers *show* us that Dan Turpin doesn't expect to rely on Superman to deal with every single difficulty. This is further proof that the writing in this episode is top-notch, and serves as a great example for other shows to follow. Never allowing the story to slow down, a Boom Tube instantly appears, and Orion flies in the room with a bang. He grabs Clark Kent and yells "SUPERMAN!", faking us out for a split-second, until we realize that he wants to warn Superman. As he faints, we're left wondering what the heck is going on.As Orion ferociously demands to meet Superman, Supes approaches Orion with Dr. Hamilton and Dan Turpin. Orion uses a "Mother Box" to explain the conflict between Apokolips and New Genesis, and shows us that the Earth is just a small part of an epic struggle, partially resolved by the exchange of Darkseid and Highfather's infant sons. Just as this information is beginning to settle in, Orion and Superman are called to defend an Air Force base. Another great action sequence takes place, with some of the best musical sequences of the series. The action is fairly good, but the vibrant, energetic music makes the scene ten times cooler.

After the fight is over (in other words, Orion whoops the tanks), we see that despite his bold exterior, Dan Turpin shows that he feels like he is outclassed by the interplanetary struggle he's been thrust into. As Superman converses with Orion, we learn a shocking truth about Orion's birth that helps explain his well-meaning, but ferocious nature. Orion solemnly departs, promising to provide further assistance. Just as things seem like they are beginning to calm down, we watch the ruthless Darkseid dispose of Manheim as his usefullness ends. The horrific nuclear explosion (again complemented by equally chaotic music) provides a great cliffhanger into part 2, leaving us eager to wonder how our heroes will deal with Darkseid... if they can.

I thought this was one of the best STAS episodes for a variety of reasons. It was more serious in nature, and we knew that Superman wouldn't be able to simply fight his way out of this mess that he was in. The independence of the entire world was at stake, and the writers conveyed that very well. The music was also fantastic! From the dramatic orchestrations during the sad bits to the pounding, almost impulsive sequences during the action scenes, the music supplemented the story perfectly without becoming too overwhelming. The dialogue was great... in most shows I find at least a few corny lines that I just groan at, but this was fantastic! Its easy to jump into a situation when you have superpowers that outclass your competition by far, but this episode shows that Superman is willing to go in over his head for Earth. It reveals the nobility of his character, and provides us all with an example that is worth following.

[Reed Richards]

what a great episode

the New Genesis/Apokalips flashback provided by Mother Box is just brilliant-- gotta love every second of that!

5 starz

[superfreak]

Excellent episode. Love the appearence of the New Gods.

[James Harvey]

Cartoon Network will air this two-part episode tonight at 8pm (ET) as part of a special two-hour block of Superman/Darkseid-themed episodes.


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Episode #33, 35 - Apokolips... Now!, Parts 1 - 2
Original Airdate - February 1998.

Darkseid brings his battle against Superman to Earth. While all looks hopeless, Orion, an escapee from Apokolips' firepits, teams up with Superman to defeat Darkseid's advances. Then, Steppenwolf, a hunter from Apokolips, joins Darkseid in his battle to take over Earth, which results in a crushing blow to Metropolis and Superman.

Comments?

[Knight]

Rewatching this I remember something I found highly annoying... Superman 's inability to put down those Parademons. Parademons arent that powerful, they gave Superman far too much trouble. Even Turpin was able to knock one out with a single punch. One punch from Superman should have laid them down permanently.

[DianaGohan]

A very tense and action packed episode. Too bad they didn't have a chance to build upon Superman recongnizing Darkseid's image from "Father's Day" but that's the only flaw I can really find. I give it an A-. and a great way to kick of Justice For All Saturday.

[DianaGohan]

Wow, a very powerful episode. The Steppenwolf Hunter seemed kind of unnesscary, but that was this episode's only flaw. The ending where Darkseid killed Turpin really surprised and got to me. I also give this episode an A-.

[Reptile_Orion]

It was my first time seeing this episode tonight (Sat. on CN). I thought it was very cool. Darkseid is my favorite Superman movie we should have seen more of him in the series.

[Pyro]

I was really enjoying it, but then I fell asleep for a few minutes at the end (but I woke up again when Dan died), and that completely ruined the whole thing for me. Now I can't wait for the next airing of it.

[The Detective]

This is one of the best things I've ever seen on telivision. Ever. Not just in animation, but on telivision period.

I'm with everyone that everyone in Metropolis was actually doing something not just hiding under their sink waiting for Superman to save them. And we really get to see what a brave man Dan Turpin is. And speaking of Dan Turpin...

We really get to see what a truly evil, hideous monster Darksied really is. There was absolutely no reason to kill Dan Turpin. He poses to no threat to Darksied, had no power. But Darksied couldn't have Earth so for no other reason than to simply spite Superman he kills Dan Turpin.

I knew about it aheaad of time since last Saturday's airing was the first time I've seen this episode but it still is quite unexpected. You think Darksied is defeated and he stalks off and then, BAM out of nowhere poor Dan is dead. Just gone like that forever.

And the funeral scene is one of the mos powerful moments I've ever seen. I really am surprised they plled off the Jewish chant so well. As murmur brought up they didn't just bring in some guy to mumble some Hebrew like words they knew what they were doing.

One tiny little gripe. I agree with Knight. Superman should have been able to handle those parademons. I mean Dan Turpin was laying them out with one punch!

And then the closing, no words I have can describe it so I'll end my post that way. Oh yea, five stars.

Superman: In the end the world didn't need a Superman, just a brave one.

I'm certainly glad they showed this episode before TWILIGHT because I hadn't seen this episode or LEGACY before. And I must say that I wasn't disapointed. A great way to formally introduce Darksied to Superman and the series in general.

While Darksied at his most evil all time high doesn't come till part 2 we still get to see what an incedibly sinister villian he is. Especially when Manheim and Darksied ar at the reactor.

Manheim: You said you would make me a king!

Darksied: And you, the king of fools.

At first I thought Darksied was going to blast Manheim with the omega beams right there but he just left him to get blown up.

And it is just wonderful to see all of Jack Kirby's creations on screen. (well some of them) I really enjoyed Orion's appearance and he really got to show his stuff though it almost seemed like he was stronger than Superman, he held his own much more that Supes.

And yes, I too loved the widescreen telling of the ancient struggle between New Genesis and Apokolips. I love the narrating voice, the dialouge choses it seemed so grand and majestic, and well as the great visuals to go with it. Great stuff.

5 stars

[BeastBoyWonder]

This episode is just as intense, if not more than Apokolips...Now! Part 1. The action sequences and plot twists pile on top of each other at a breathtaking pace, and never lets down for a second until the end when it reaches its heart wrenching conclusion.

As the episode starts, a sense of urgency is immediately created when Superman finds out that the nuclear explosion is threatening to create huge "burn holes" on Earth, similar to those found on Apokolips. As the foul planet is mentioned, we switch to a conversation between Darkseid and Kalibak. One thing I love about this show, and this episode in particular is that each locale or kind of situation has a unique "mood" or "flavor" to it... this is noticeable in the Apokolips scenes with its flying Parademons, oppressed slaves, blazing fires, hellish backgrounds, and crackling music. Darkseid is his usual brutal self, denying his biological son a second chance to prove himself... I almost feel sorry for the big gorilla. Almost. As Steppenwolf dramatically emerges from the flame, we're left wondering what this bodes for Superman.

As Superman finds out the communicator to Orion doesn't work, the tension continues to build. He's on his own, and the future of the world is at stake. At this point I was wondering why Hamilton didn't call a construction crew, fire crew, someone with many resources (such as Luthor, who wouldn't mind some positive publicity) or some other heroes other than Superman to help put out the fire. I was also wondering why Superman destroyed the communicator (even though the circuitry was fried), because Hamilton still might have been able to repair it. But if any of these solutions were dwelt upon or implemented, the episode would have lost much of its intense sense of urgency and tension buildup that contribute to making this such a cool "good vs. evil" story.

As Superman rushes to the site of the explosion, a Boom Tube opens and Steppenwolf appears with a horde of Parademons. The tension that has been built up through Part 1 and the early segment of Part 2 is finally released in a fantastic fight scene where Superman becomes the prey for a seemingly ruthless, powerful, and experienced predator. Even though its only one city that the Parademons have visited, the buildup up to this point contributes to this feeling of a huge "alien invasion", where the fate of the entire world is at stake and the "bad guys" are winning. When the safety of the world in jeopardy, its obvious that Superman isn't playing any games. He ferociously tries to tear away at the Parademons, even going so far as burning a hole in the skull of one! Eventually, Steppenwolf and the Parademons overwhelm Supes, but Dan Turpin and his men chip in again, and by beating Steppenwolf and the Parademons show that it doesn't take a person with superpowers to be a hero.

Superman quickly reaches the fire, and uses a cool stunt where he turns himself into a giant drill to put it out. The musical sequence during this scene is great, and its also nice to have another reminder that Superman has considerable intellect to go with all of the power that he carries. After he puts out the fire, he takes a few moments to rest after all of his hard work, and the viewers are filled with a feeling of relief. The feeling is short-lived, however, when a shadow looms ominously over Superman.

BAM! Suddenly Darksied has Superman at the brink of death (using the overwhelming Omega Effect), his calm but cold words offering one extraordinarily difficult decision. Superman (somewhat predictably) makes the "right" choice, reaffirming his firm moral belief system that exceeds even his super-strength. Unfortunately, this does not please Darkseid, who continued the brutal tourture of Superman.

One interesting little bit is that during the invasion when Maggie is talking to her "friend", the TV is going on in the background. It feels like a real news report, complete with the president declaring a state of national emergency. Little details like these really add to the atmosphere of the story, and this invasion feels much more straining than some other alien invasions that have been depicted in fiction *cough*justice league*cough*.

Back at Metropolis Plaza, the Parademons continue with the invasion. We see Dan Turpin and the police force fighting the Parademons, and we realize who the true heroes of Metropolis are: the men who put their lives on the line every day for the welfare of their city. The shootout progresses, but before the intense action becomes too stale Darkseid enters the Plaza in a huge tank, ripping apart anything in his path. Mounted in public view is Earth's Greatest Hero, completely battered, beaten, defeated, and helpless.

At this point, most onlookers feel completely hopeless and lost. As Darkseid drones on, most people are probably wondering "If Darkseid can take Superman down, how do we have any chance against these guys?" Darkseid hammers in the point, calling Superman Earth's "savior" and demonstrating how easily he has been crushed. In a stunning display of selflessness, Dan Turpin suicidally dissents and takes down a Parademon. He hurls its spear at one of Superman's bindings, and Superman manages to free his arms. Kalibak attacks Superman once more, and Superman attacks Kalibak with more fury than all of the angst present in the "Father's Day" episode combined.

As Superman and Darkseid are about to start duking it out, we are surprised by the entrance of Orion and other forces from New Genesis (with a really really really cool musical theme - see if you can spot cameos by Mr. Miracle, Big Barda and Lightray). After a brief exchange, we see that Darkseid concedes to withdraw, not out of fear of the wrath of New Genesis but out of respect for his son. Orion does not acknowledge the relationship between himself and his biological father, treating the situation objectively as a confrontation. This demonstrates how much he understands his father and the fact that he has come to terms with the circumstances of his birth.

As Darkseid is leaving, Superman (and the viewers) feel a taste of victory. Out of nowhere, Darkseid zaps Dan Turpin into ashes in front of everyone, leaving all onlookers and the audience completely shocked and horrified. I can't believe the censors actually allowed the writers to show a MURDER on a cartoon! The following sequences are some of the most heart-wrenching and emotional scenes of the entire show. Superman cries "Murderer!" as Darkseid coolly drifts away, and proceeds to demolish the tank in a fit of rage that we have never seen from him before, while everyone stands and watches. Orion's comforting presence and condolences transforms our anger into grief, as another great scene is carried out. At the funeral scene, a Rabbi is chanting in Hebrew (thanks to MILatino from the WF/ToonZone boards for that insight), which furthers the theme of tolerance that is central to this episode. As the heartfelt music plays on, we see Superman deliver one of the best lines of the series: "Goodbye old friend... in the end, the world didn't really need a SUPERman... just a brave one." The teary eyed Superman facing the tombstone nearly brought me to tears myself. As it faded out, the end reminded us that the story was not over, and left us hungry for more encounters between Superman and Darkseid. The episode closed with a tribute to Jack Kirby, the amazing man who (among other things) created the "Fourth World" and its characters.

This episode showcased Dan Turpin, a man who put his life on line every day for his city, and essentially risked his life (and gave it) for the security of the world. It featured fantastic performances by the voice actors, especially by Tim Daly and Michael Ironside. The story had a great sense of pacing... it didn't feel too rushed or too slow, and it also gives insight to the nature of the characters: It shows us what kind of people Dan Turpin, Superman, Darkseid, and Orion are. Although the episode is a typical "good vs. evil" story, it does not come off as clichéd or preachy, but still gets the point across. The death of Dan Turpin was probably the most emotional moment in Superman: The Animated Series for me, which is why I consider it my all time favorite Superman episode.

[Marika Segal]

And then, we are privy to one of the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in anything America's created. We get a priest chanting in latin, even saying "Amen", then Superman crying his eyes out, with a sunset in the background, a silloutte of Supes, a wonderful piano solo for BGM, and as already mentioned....my favorite line in the entire series.

I think that funeral was a Jewish furneral because the rabbi or priest had one of those small Herbrew hats on his head while he was giving his speech. Probaly i'm not right about that but I think Turpins funeral was in a Jewish semitery.

This two part episode has got to be one of the most exciding & best episodes of STAS ever. Very greatly action-packed & a great episode, but also really sad because of Turpins unexpected murder:sad:.

Hopefully will very great action packed episodes of JL like Apokcalips...Now!. Hopefully JL will get better at its not to good animation at this time. Hate to say it but the animation in JL could really improve.

PEACE!!!

[JSmith]

This 2 parter, along with Legacy, may just be the best thing Timm and Co. have ever done. Timm's love for Kirby's Fourth World shines through and he delivers an action packed, emotional thrill ride. Brillant work!! Looking forward to the day when we can buy this classic on dvd. Please let that day come soon.

[dpm07]

This 2 parter, along with Legacy, may just be the best thing Timm and Co. have ever done. Timm's love for Kirby's Fourth World shines through and he delivers an action packed, emotional thrill ride. Brillant work!! Looking forward to the day when we can buy this classic on dvd. Please let that day come soon.
Agreed. This episode really illustrated the adult-themed aspect of the Timm/DCAU universe. Exceptional performances by everyone involved. Michael Ironside really was awesome as Darkseid.

[murmur]

I think that funeral was a Jewish furneral because the rabbi or priest had one of those small Herbrew hats on his head while he was giving his speech. Probaly i'm not right about that but I think Turpins funeral was in a Jewish semitery.As has been previously noted on this thread (see page 1), the funeral was definitely Jewish. The leader of the service (who may have been a rabbi, but not necessarily) was indeed wearing a yarmulke (transliterated from Yiddish and generally pronounced like yahmakah; in Hebrew it's known as a Kipah, with the i having a long e sound).

Here are some other facts about Jewish funerals that I now realize may be quite relevant to the episode (no idea whether or not they are intended):

The closest of kin traditionally say the kaddish (the prayer for the deceased you heard), regardless of religious standing (i.e., they don't have to be rabbis or be observant). It is unlikely that this is the case at Turpin's funeral, mostly because the first kaddish said at the sight of the grave is almost inevatibly and understandably broken up by bitter tears (I'm choking up a little now with the memory of my uncles' voices breaking over the words at my grandfather's burial). The likelihood, therefore, is that poor Dan Turpin, as respected as he was, had no remaining close relatives (parents, siblings, children or spouse) at the time of his death. So who did say the kaddish? If Turpin belonged to a congregation (even if he prayed once a year), then it was probably his synagogue's rabbi or regular cantor. If not, then really any respected member of the Metropolis Jewish communty would do.

Some of you know this, others may not: You did hear the word "Amen." It is actually a Hebrew word and is pronounced "Ahmain" as such but is merely a more original version of the English word you were thinking of.

As I'm fairly sure is the case in many faiths, the funeral and burial services are held sequentially in Judaism. The casket is held at a synogogue/temple, and a eulogy and short service is done with an audience of just about anybody who knew and cared for the deceased. The procession and subsequent burial usually consists of a smaller audience of family and close acquaintences. It would be not only reasonable, but likely that a reporter who encountered Turpin only very briefly, like say, oh I dunno, Clark Kent would show up for the funeral but not the burial that we saw. Why wouldn't Superman show for the first half? I dunno, maybe he can say he was so traumatized he wasn't sure he could control his powers in a crowded temple. :p

Finally, there is a widely held but not universal Jewish belief that all souls must spend a certain amount of time in "Gehenom," basically a non-eternal version of Hell where sins are purged in preparation for ascention to a much better place. The more righteous the soul, the less time it takes, but nobody's perfect. One of the traditional reasons for saying Kaddish is that by uttering words of godly praise with the deceased in mind, one might help speed the process and help bring the soul to a better afterlife. If, as has been surmised, Turpin was not necessarily killed but rather sent to Apokolips or some other horrific world or dimension, it would surely be hoped that the power of Turpin's deeds and a devoted Kaddish would rescue Dan from whatever hellish fate Darkseid perscribed.

[The Penguin]

Tonight at 12:30 a.m. ET, Boomerang airs the Superman: The Animated Series episode, Apokolips... Now!, Part 1. This episode is not yet available on DVD.


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Episode #33 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 1
Original Airdate - February 7th, 1998.

Darkseid brings his battle against Superman to Earth. While all looks hopeless, Orion, an escapee from Apokolips' firepits, teams up with Superman to defeat Darkseid's advances.

Comments?

[MilkManX]

One of the greatest of the Superman run. Something about the DCAU crew using and respecting Kirbys work with Superman and the rest of the DC Universe is awesome.

[ManicWebb]

I've seen this episode probably a dozen times, but when it came on Boomerang tonight, I finally noticed something that I never paid attention to before...

We cut to the hospital scene, where Dan is visiting Maggie in the hospital. Maggie has a "friend" with her, and the more perceptive viewers can usually understand her significance.
For some reason, I always assumed that was Maggie's sister sitting with her in the hospital. When I watched that scene again today, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I feel stupid for not noticing it earlier.

[JLfan4life]

one of my favorites in the STAS run too! 5 stars definitely! and the animation was just gorgeous here!!!

[kreuzritter]

Two points: What was the anti-life equation, it was kind of glossed over, and they never referred to it again. And what was the point of Orion giving Supes the signal device? It was immediately deemed worthless half a minute into part 2. Orion could have said something like "I'll return with help as soon as I can. And you *will* need my help."
well, second, the signal device was to hammerhome the hopelessness. if orion said he would return there'd be that "we just need to wait for the cavalry" thought nudging at the back.

by destroying the device, the viewer (and the characters) are led to believe that no help is coming, and that the fury of apokolips must be fought by earth alone, creating a feel like the alamo or rio bravo

as for the anti-life equation, as the box said, it is a mathematical formula that can grant darkseid undisputed control over everything. your mind would be his, your soul, would be his, a mindless puppet slave, doomed to obey his command, no matter the distance. and as an ep of star trek once said, remove choice and free will and you will be destroying life

That, is the anti-life equation, and that, is why Darkseid's every thought is bent on it

[The Penguin]

Tonight at 12:30 a.m. ET, Boomerang airs the Superman: The Animated Series episode, Apokolips... Now!, Part 2. This episode is not yet available on DVD. Part 1 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=51035) aired last night.


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Episode #35 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 2
Original Airdate - February 14th, 1998.

Steppenwolf, a hunter from Apokolips, joins Darkseid in his battle to take over Earth, which results in a crushing blow to Metropolis and Superman.

Comments?

[Anthonynotes]

I've seen this episode probably a dozen times, but when it came on Boomerang tonight, I finally noticed something that I never paid attention to before...

For some reason, I always assumed that was Maggie's sister sitting with her in the hospital. When I watched that scene again today, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I feel stupid for not noticing it earlier.

Well, since I first saw Maggie in the comics, I knew about her a long time ago. ;-)

I liked this episode as well, even if it continues to beat that overused "Apocalypse Now"/"Apokolips Now" pun into the ground. ;-)

-B.

[JLfan4life]

5 stars definitely!!! Loved it! This part and part 1 are one of my favorite episodes of STAS...and I still get teary eyed at Dan's death and funeral. :crying: so sad, but done so beautifully!

[MilkManX]

This is even better than part 1.

Great battles with Darksieds troops and Superman. Turpin was the man.

The ending made me cry like a little girl.

The dedication made me cry even more.

We all miss you Jack Kirby.

[warmachine04]

Definitely one of the finest episodes of the series. 5 Stars. Solid storyline. amazing battles. Strong emotional finish. I was impressed. :D :D

[DisneyBoy]

a wonderful piano solo for BGM

I'm not sure who BGM is, but when I came upon my old VHS copy of this episode late last night, and I watched it, the piano solo at the very end moved me to tears.

So beautiful. It made me feel sad. Turpin's death was something I'd heard about long before I'd seen the episode, so seeing it wasn't much of a shock. But that last scene, with it's music. Wow.

I want to love JL and JLU, really, I do...but episodes like these just stand so high above all the recent DCAU fare, it's hard not to wish JL and JLU had lived up in a similar way. Only the ending to Starcrossed is equal to this in terms of how I reacted emotionally.

Wow...I can still hear the music echoing in my head. Note to self - never stay up that late watching cartoons again, cause the music will get stuck in your head.

And then the "Not the End" followed by the dedication. Great music there.

Who says S:TAS isn't an amazing show?

[batmanbeyond13]

Any episode with Darkseid is great. He is the ultimate D C villain. Jack Kirby may have helped bring the Marvel Universe to life, but his greatest contribution was to D C Comics by creating the almighty Darkseid and the New Gods.

[DisneyBoy]

I don't know about that. Darkseid is only as good as the script in which he exists.

[batmanbeyond13]

I've seen every episode of the D C U A with him and not one of them have been disappointing. All have been great. I like the fact that he hasn't come out (yet) on J L U. And I also like how he is not overused. For example, Luthor and the Joker are the villains who have come out alot more than any villain in D C U A. I'm not saying that when these villains appear we get a bad episode. All I'm saying is that there are more villains in the D C Universe that the Justice League Heroes (can't wait for the video game by the way) can take on. But when Darkseid does reappear, I'm sure it will be another great dose of ultimate villainy.

[Yojimbo]

So beautiful. It made me feel sad. Turpin's death was something I'd heard about long before I'd seen the episode, so seeing it wasn't much of a shock. But that last scene, with it's music. Wow.

One of the all time surprises was the death of Dan Turpin. Hands down. When I watched my VHS copy months ago, I remembered that scene where all the New Gods appear to oppose Darkseid. Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, Lightray, Orion, Metron and Forager. But the one character that caught the corner of my eye was the Black Racer. Anyone who read the comics or has done their homework, knows when the Racer is around, someone is going to die. And I was trying to race ideas of who it was, then it jumps to the scene of Turpin being vaporized. It was a shock. 20/20 hindsight, there was foreshadowing in part one, but still, wow.

Followed by the contrast of emotions, Superman letting out his rage while Orion gently comes to his side and stops him. Then the funeral, with the brilliant music as you said, Disney Boy. It was a great 20 minutes.

[DisneyBoy]

On my VHS copy of the episode, it starts with Lois and Jimmy seeing a Parademon crash into their car and goes until the end of the episode...and yet, it works, even without part one.

[Wolf Boy2]

I think Turpin was killed because you can see the ashes on the ground after he was roasted by Derkseid. Judaism forbids cremation, so even though he was reduced to ashes, the ashes were given a proper burial.

[Yojimbo]

I think Turpin was killed because you can see the ashes on the ground after he was roasted by Derkseid. Judaism forbids cremation, so even though he was reduced to ashes, the ashes were given a proper burial.

Vaporized is completely valid.


lose or cause to lose liquid by vaporization leaving a more concentrated residue

I used vaporized to curtail that Turpin's death was something of a special death. People were explicitly killed offscreen throughout STAS. Professor Peterson in "a little piece of home" or Dr. Vale in "the way of all flesh". To use the word killed simply didn't jive for me because Turpin's death was not as pedestrian as these third rate minor supporting characters.

[ShadowStar]

So... Orion's biological mother is Granny Goodness?

*vomits*

Poor guy.

(As for the episode itself, it is a lot of fun and Orion makes for a strong supporting character.)

[Toddman]

So... Orion's biological mother is Granny Goodness?

*vomits*

Poor guy.

(As for the episode itself, it is a lot of fun and Orion makes for a strong supporting character.)

I guess the flashback from this episode kinda makes it appear that way, but in the comics, Orion's mother was named Tiggra. I have a feeling that even in this episode, Granny Goodness is meant to be there simply as Orion's (and later Scott Free's) nanny. Their villianous, Ed Asner-voiced nanny.


Toddman

[Mister Miracle]

This episode was one of my favorites of the season! I love Orions character and how he is depicated throughout the episode, i wish he would have appeared as great in JLU! I also loved the glimpses of the New Gods!

[Munkiman]

I just saw this episode for the first time (well, that I can remember, anyway, I may have seen it when I was a kid...), and WOW, that was by FAR the most epic, amazing, emotional and KICK-ASS episode of Superman: The Animated Series EVER - heck, of MOST cartoons, American or otherwise. Really, really superb.

I love that scene at the end with the New God cavalry arriving, and then Dan Turpin... yeah, I don't have to say it. Darkseid, you admittedly awesome son of a *****...!

[Cortez2301]

Can you give me an example of the foreshadowing which was supposed to appear in part 1? (I just want to make sure I'm on the same page)

[Rud]

I saw this a long long time ago when i was a kid, and while i don't remember most of the old superman cartoons, one thing remember vividly to this day is seeing Superman tied to that Tank thing and watching Dark Seid vaporize Dan Turpin, that's one of the most memorable moments ever.

[the_joker]

This episode is great, but did anyone think superman was a bit weak here? One example was Turpin was able to knock the parademons down with a punch but those things gave superman trouble... I don't know how that works... or maybe superman constantly getting saved throughout the episode...

[James Harvey]

With today's release of the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse animated feature (Feature Talkback (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=273914), Blu-ray/DVD Talkback (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=273915)), there's no better time than now to bump up this discussion. This acclaimed two-part episode is included on the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse home video release.


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Episode #33 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 1
Original Airdate - February 7th, 1998.
Darkseid brings his battle against Superman to Earth. While all looks hopeless, Orion, an escapee from Apokolips' firepits, teams up with Superman to defeat Darkseid's advances.

Episode #35 - Apokolips... Now!, Part 2
Original Airdate - February 14th, 1998.
Steppenwolf, a hunter from Apokolips, joins Darkseid in his battle to take over Earth, which results in a crushing blow to Metropolis and Superman -- the death of a friend.

Comments?

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Such a fantastic episode(s), this two-parter had it all. Dan Turpin was such an inspiration in this, the ending always chokes me up. Was also nice to see Superman really let loose with all his anger in this one aswell. Visually its a wonderful aswell 5/5