"Spider-Man: Return of the Green Goblin" DVD Pre-Release Discussion (Spoilers)

[Stu]

Slated to come out later this year - Oct. 29th 2002 - thoughts on the upcoming Spider-Man: Return of the Green Goblin DVD?

[James Harvey]

There should be a R2 release. The episodes that are contained are unknown but the synopsis for the discs mentions HOBLGOBLIN so we're in for some good episodes, at least. The disc will contain similair extras to the first aninated Spider-Man DVD release. I'll try and find out some more!!

[Stu]

Cheers Jim. Glad to see Hobgoblin is on it. He is one of my favourite Spider-man villians and every episode he was in was great. Plus Mark Hamill did his voice and you can never go wrong with that.

[AntOOny]

From my understanding, there hasn't been a region 2 announcement for "Spider-Man: Return of the Green Goblin." If I remember correctly, "The Ultimate Villain Showdown" was released a month after the US release, so the same thing might happen again. This doesn't mean it will or it won't be available in another region, but I thought I share what happened the last time.

[Spider-Man]

Does anyone know the exact episodes that'll be on the disc?

[joshualane]

Hey Red Bird, the R2 Version of Spider-man: Return of the Green Goblin has just been announced:

http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=2&articleId=4805

The following episodes will be on the disc which means we should see the same eps on the R1 disc as well:

312 The Spot
313 Goblin War
314 Turning Point
401 Guilty

[James Harvey]

*Sigh*

Why 'Guilty'? Why? Why not include the episode where Harry becomes the Goblin and MJ returns at the very end. Sure, it'll make no sense with all the plot holes from previous episodes missing, but it'd make more since.

At least we'll get the awesome 'Turning Point' episode on disc.

Heck, even the two part 'The Hobgoblin' episodes at the first would've been better.

[Samhaine]

I can see why they made the distrobution the way they did: the episode right before The Spot is the two-part Carnage story, so they couldn't put that on, and they wanted to show the Goblin learning Spidey's ID, and it will shw Mary Jane's disappearance. My only gripe is that now we know that if they do indeed release all of the episodes, we won't have them all in order - unless they make the Daredevil disc 6 episodes or release a 2-episode "Venom & Carnage Returns" mini-movie. *Sigh*

[Stu]

My only gripe is that now we know that if they do indeed release all of the episodes, we won't have them all in order - unless they make the Daredevil disc 6 episodes or release a 2-episode "Venom & Carnage Returns" mini-movie. *Sigh*

Unless they release a Venom DVD which features the Alien Costume 3 parter and the 2 part Carnage story. After they've cashed in on Daredevil and X-men I think character DVDs are next.

[Cogliostro]

The 1967 Classic Episode: Featuring the Green Goblin
Rogues' Challenge Game -- As Spider-Man, you must battle four villains through city streets in order to rescue Mary Jane
Stan Lee's Soapbox
Episode Introductions
Animated Menus
Spanish Language Track

I will be looking foward to seeing all these features except the Spanish one that one's useless to me. The Rogue's Challange Game got's me really interested. I wonder how well the game will be and I think its safe to say one of the four villains will be the Green Goblin...

[James Harvey]

I'm guessing it'll be Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Kingpin, and probably The Spot (or Tombstone), as they are the villians featured in this disc.

[SuperChris]

Originally posted by bloodone
My only gripe is that now we know that if they do indeed release all of the episodes, we won't have them all in order - unless they make the Daredevil disc 6 episodes or release a 2-episode "Venom & Carnage Returns" mini-movie. *Sigh*

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for the Daredevil disc to be 6 episodes. As someone mentioned (perhaps it was in the original Toon Zone news post?), there was no Daredevil episode from the 1967 series. That frees up space for one more episode (so a total of 5) right there. I'm no DVD expert, but I don't think fitting that sixth episode on there should be a problem (what with dual-layering, etc.). After all, they ARE cutting the opening credits for every episode except the first, ditto the closing credits (all except last), and the commercials are obviously gone. IMO they CAN get all 6 on a DVD if they want to. The question becomes: do they want to?

Well, as wary as we all were of Buena Vista before the Ultimate Villain Showdown, They've proven to me that they at least care SOMEWHAT about episode order and keeping fans like us happy. I guess we'll find out for sure when more info becomes available. Until then, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's safe to say that the Daredevil disc will be make or break for many of us as it regards to our opinion of the Buena Vista Spidey DVDs.

-Chris

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by The Red Bird
Unless they release a Venom DVD which features the Alien Costume 3 parter and the 2 part Carnage story. After they've cashed in on Daredevil and X-men I think character DVDs are next.
Yes, but this throws episode order out the window, making the Spider-Man DVDs no better than Universal's X-Men releases.

[Spider-Man]

The Spidey ones are a bit better. At least the episodes weren't completely random like on the Universal ones.

[James Harvey]

The Universal ones were alright. I was a bit dissapointed that there were no extras. But what really peeved me was the fact that there were no chapter stops.

[Stu]

Are Universal planning any more DVDs for the release of X2? Any ideas as to what they might be?

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by The Red Bird
Are Universal planning any more DVDs for the release of X2? Any ideas as to what they might be?

More animated X-Men DVDs are on the way, but whatever episodes will be on the disc remain to be seen. Don't look for any concrete info until January or February.

[James Harvey]

To check out menu shots from the DVD, go HERE (http://www.dvdtoons.com/news/264).


http://www.dvdtoons.com/images/dvd/spiderman-green5.jpg

The follow, almost exactly, the menu set up as the previous release.

[Stu]

Thats slightly dissapointing. I was hoping for Spidey VS Green Goblin themed menus.
Did anyone else notice that the classic episode features Dr. Octopus and not the green goblin? Disney messed up there.

Thanks for the Link Jim.

[Stu]

Does anyone know whether or not this DVD will have easter eggs like TUVS did? It took me a while to find them, and they were a little off topic but still its something extra and thats always a bonus.

[Spider-Man]

It probably will have easter eggs, but I haven't seen a review of it yet. We'll find out then. I bet we will have some good easter eggs on there.

[James Harvey]

I'm hoping for an advance review before it hits Tuesday, but I doubt we'll get one. I don't think I'll be picking up the disc until Friday, anyways...

[Stu]

I'll pick it up in the USA when I'm there and bring it back to England with me. Only havw to wait until next monday. What type of places would have a review on it other than dvdtoons.com or IGN.com?

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by The Red Bird
What type of places would have a review on it other than dvdtoons.com or IGN.com?
We had a pretty early one here with the last release, care of Joe Wagner, so maybe he'll get lucky again and be able to get the disc early.

Though, since the disc will be out in 3 days, that's doubtful.

[AntOOny]

We (dvdtoons) received our screener copy last week and the review should be up soon. Takes some time since we have to mail the dvd to our reviewers.

[James Harvey]

Tell us when you get the review up - I really enjoy the reviews you put up! Also, sites like www.dvdfile.com and www.currentfilm.co, and www.dvdtalk.com reviewed the previous animated Spider-Man disc.

[Spider-Man]

It's great! this disc comes out the day after tomorrow and I'm really looking forward to it. I like the 'Goblin War' episode, so I'm anxous to see it on DVD. I think there's a short clip of it on the 'Ultimate Villian Showdown' disc.

[James Harvey]

Wow - FIVE episodes from the 1990's series are included in this disc! Here'sa link to Superhero Hype!/Coming Soon's review of the DVD:

Spider-Man: Return of the Green Goblin (http://www.comingsoon.net/dvdreviews/spideygg.php)

We get four episodes inna row, then as a bonus episode we get "Return of the Green Goblin". Disney has apparently skipped a bunch of episodes inbetween "Guilty" and "Return..."

Still - we now have six episodes overall on this disc, including the 1960's Doc Ock (why Doc Ock?) episode.

Coming Soon! gave this disc as great review, better than the first disc, I believe! Looking forward to this disc...!

[SuperChris]

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Still - we now have six episodes overall on this disc, including the 1960's Doc Ock (why Doc Ock?) episode.

Those 1960's episodes were two different stories in one half hour ep. If I understand the review correctly, the Doc Ock part is just the first half. The Green Goblin is in the second half. You might want to check an episode guide, but I'm assuming those two halves went together. I like that they kept the original episode together, rather than paste together two Green Goblin halves. Just another example of Buena Vista showing respect for the animated Spidey series.

Another example of them showing respect (this time for the 90's series) is found in their treatment of the "bonus" episode. It would have been easy for them to throw it in with the other four, but they didn't. They respected the episode order (a fact apparently lost on the SHH reviewer who couldn't seem to understand why they did it that way).

Since this truly was a "bonus" (we're still getting everything we got in the first DVD), we can't complain if they re-release it in its proper place in the episode order. I, for one, hope they do. In the meantime, I'm glad I'll have it to enjoy on DVD until they get it right.

Since they in essence squeezed six episodes on this DVD, I'm now more hopeful than ever that they'll find a way to release all six episodes between TUVS DVD eps & TRotGG DVD eps on the forthcoming Daredevil disc. How great would it be to have 14 consecutive episodes of this series on 3 DVDs, PLUS a bonus 15th episode! I'm already excited for the Daredevil disc now & I haven't even received the Green Goblin one yet!

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THESE DVDs!!!

-Chris

[AntOOny]

Our review is up:

http://www.dvdtoons.com/reviews/103

[SuperChris]

Originally posted by AntOOny
Our review is up:

http://www.dvdtoons.com/reviews/103

Sheesh! Another reviewer that doesn't get something as simple as episode order. Aren't any of these people fans of the show? Both the SHH reviewer and this guy would have liked them to pick random Goblin episodes and throw them together. If they did that, however, all they would have done was tick us off -- the real fans!

The most confusing part of the review was towards the end. The reviewer seems to advocate releases preserving episode order, but it contradicts everything he had just written. Most of the preceeding was bashing Buena Vista for its inclusion of "The Spot" and "Guilty" instead of more Goblin eps. Weird...

I think Buena Vista should be applauded for respecting episode order, not bashed in reviews. I think I'm more interested in what you guys have to say -- people that want this entire series on DVD, IN ORDER -- not some reviewer that doesn't really care about the show or its DVD treatment.

-Chris

[James Harvey]

I am interested, now, how Disney is going to handle the next Spider-Man animated release - Spider-Man VS Daredevil. Also, I'm interested to see how furthur episode releases will be effected down the line. Particularly if Disney plans to release a Spidey DVD in conjunction with X2.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by bloodone
We had a pretty early one here with the last release, care of Joe Wagner, so maybe he'll get lucky again and be able to get the disc early.

Though, since the disc will be out in 3 days, that's doubtful.

Well I scoured most of Western Pennsylvania over the weekend and came up empty handed - looks like no one was willing to release this little baby a few days early. With any luck I'll be able to find the DD/Spidey one before it goes out. Sorry guys!

-Joe!

[James Harvey]

No worries, Joe. There's always next time. I am looking forward to seeing your opinion on this disc when it hits tomorrow. As a fellow hardcore Spidey fan, I'm looking forward to this disc, mainly becuase Turning Point is featured on the disc. I'll have my comments up ASAP!

[AntOOny]

Originally posted by SuperChris
Sheesh! Another reviewer that doesn't get something as simple as episode order. Aren't any of these people fans of the show? Both the SHH reviewer and this guy would have liked them to pick random Goblin episodes and throw them together. If they did that, however, all they would have done was tick us off -- the real fans!-Chris Umm, what? I hope you are not stating or assuming that all episodes are in order in this DVD, because they are not. The only episodes in order are The Spot and Goblin War, as stated in the review. I'm also assuming that our reviewer or the "SHH reviewer" would of prefered Goblin Episodes since the name of the DVD is "Return of the Green Goblin". If Disney is going to throw random episodes, at least go with the theme.
I think Buena Vista should be applauded for respecting episode order, not bashed in reviews.Applauded for releasing 2 episodes in order? Are you sure you are a fan? :)

Hehe, anyway, Disney is NOT trying to please anyone except themselves, and I agree that if you are going to call something "Return of the Green Goblin," then at least make the whole DVD about the Green Goblin.
I am interested, now, how Disney is going to handle the next Spider-Man animated release - Spider-Man VS Daredevil. Also, I'm interested to see how furthur episode releases will be effected down the line. Particularly if Disney plans to release a Spidey DVD in conjunction with X2.Another compilation, and I hope this time, all episodes are Dare Devil related. Right now, I know Disney doesn't care about "episode order," so IMO, release episodes based on what the theme is.

Oh, and about the review, if you have questions, e-mail him about it :)

[Stu]

A bonus episode! Nice one. I'll definatley be picking this disc up. I am intrigued by the Scarlet Spider easter egg.

[SuperChris]

Originally posted by AntOOny
Umm, what? I hope you are not stating or assuming that all episodes are in order in this DVD, because they are not. The only episodes in order are The Spot and Goblin War, as stated in the review .... Applauded for releasing 2 episodes in order? Are you sure you are a fan? :)

Whoa, I'm confused now. I was under the impression the four episodes comprising the feature were, in order: The Spot, Goblin Wars, Turning Point, and Guilty. According to DRG4's guide (a guide I trust since he's actually spoken to John Semper about the correct order) those are episodes 39, 40, 41, and 42 respectively. The bonus episode, Return of the Green Goblin, is episode 49. That's why I'm glad they didn't place it after episode 42. Assuming we agree on the contents of the disc, either myself and DRG4 are wrong about the order, or your reviewer is.


Another compilation, and I hope this time, all episodes are Dare Devil related. Right now, I know Disney doesn't care about "episode order," so IMO, release episodes based on what the theme is.

Then it's going to be a mighty small compilation. There isn't exactly a wealth of animated Daredevil stuff to choose from. I'm sure most of us would like them to use the six episodes between the two existing DVD releases. That way, we can get "Venom Returns" and "Carnage" on DVD (and we want that). Plus, we'll get 14 consecutive episodes released across all three DVDs.

-Chris

[AntOOny]

I just looked at my tapes, and you are right. They are in order...last 3 episodes in season 3, and the first episode in season 4. You know, this still doesn't make me happy...What's the point of starting in season 3/4? Oh well.

[Stu]

They can always go back to season 1 and 2 if they want. If they decided to release a villian themed DVD they can just release the first 5 episodes
Night of the Lizard
Sting of the Scorpian
The spider Slayer
Return of the Spider Slayers
Doctor Octopus: Armed and Dangerous

(I think thats them in production order). See some nice relevant episodes with none of that them stuff. Remember that 65 episodes were made and some villians were grossly underused (Venom, Carnage, Shocker) and some were slighty overused (Morbious, The Lizard, The Scorpian). It makes them harder to theme. Personally if they do theme them I'd like the 5 symbiote episodes on the disc.

[William C. Maune]

[indent]It feels great to see Disney doing something right! I'm going to be specifically picking up this disc the first week because the episodes are in order. It gives me hope that they will keep Gargoyles is order also. Does anyone know if Disney plans to release any X-Men episodes on DVD around the time of X2? I know another company released some, but those looked kind of lackluster.