Steve Carras
09-26-2002, 10:33 PM
[I put PRODUCED because of the fact that the shorts were often released out of order, especially when Cinecolor AND Technicolor were used due to the TEchnicolor backup)]
Regarding the post/pre-1948 thread I'd like to mention I think Davis's Technicolor short THE PEST WHO CAME TO DINNER was the oldest (that I can identify, anyhow), produced post-1948 short (the important thing is produced, again, the same criteria I use to point out THE UP-STANDING SITTER's the last PRE-1948 short as opposed to the last release to be sold to a.a.p. for the pre-48 (and that and post-1948 are SUCH misnomers, but that's dealt with in part in the above mentioned thread), which was HAREDEVIL HARE with THE SHELL-SHOCKED EGG in between).
Besides the credit lettering looking more like those in the pre-1948 package) the last few like HAREDEVIL HARE and BUCCANEER BUNNY) John Carey, who's absent on the later post-1948 Art Davis WB shorts, is animator, George Hill (he wrote Davis's first, MOUSE MENACE), rather than Lloyd Tuner (with and without Bill Scott) and the Looney Tunes legend on the end, lacks, as do the pre-1948 Looney Tunes since Robert McKimson's ACROBATTY BUNNY introduced the concentric rings for color shorts for the ending (there! another underrated McKimson acheivment, and Bob Clampett was the first, in THE GREAT PIGGYBANK ROBBERY to use the 1946-1954 theme arrangement), the important REG.U.S.PAT.OFF trademark ID whiich the Merrie Melodies (and LOONEY TUNES thru the end of the PORKY IN A DRUM era, which ended with HUSH MY MOUSE), had always used.
In short looking at the fonts, the animaiton and non Scott/Turner story credits, and the lack of a trademark indefitication under "Looeny Tunes", I'd say THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER's (1948) the oldest post-1948 to be produced. It was not the first released, though, (YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER holding that honor) released on......September 11, 1948 (at least only Porky's terrmite pest posed any problem for THAT Sept.11!).
YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER, THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER and HOT CROSS BUNNY (among post-1948s, and most 1948-released pre-1948s productionwise) bear orange rings and a red or black hole.(a subject of a thread on one of Jon Cooke's earlier message boards, started by BUM) . Speaking of HOT CROSS BUNNY, thanks to Dave Mackey's siote I know it is no.1053 thus the first produced (after No.,1052, HAREDEVIL HARE) post-1948, and one of the first released. For the record, some other firsts among post-1948s
Actually all firsts:
First released: YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER 8/7/48 (two weeks after HAREDEVIL HARE,7/24/48)
First released with original open: The next, DOUGH-RAY-ME-OW (Prod.no.1088, 8/14/48)
First Bugs Bunny and first known production number in the case of a post-1948: HOT CROSS BUNNY, no.1053, and 8/21/48's
First produced: from what I can tell, judging by the info I gave, either YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER, HOT CROSS BUNNY, or THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER
First produced with oriiginal open: THE STUPOR SALESMAN (no.1058, 11/20/48, though the following HAVE been restored: SCAREDY CAT,no.1056, 12/18/48 and THE FOGHORN LEGHORN, no.1057, 10/23?/48. Dave Mackey says on his site that another creditless BLUE RIBBON, the only Cinecolor one in the post-1948 package, and the last produced as known, DAFFY DILLY is no.1064, yet it bears a 1948 copyright)
So I'd guess that THE PEST WHO CAME TO DINNER (1948) (done in Technicolor) is Prod.no.1044 ot 1045.[just guessin'] and produced among the pre-1948s (just as a number of Cinecolor shorts of the previous, post-1948 package are in the 1070s or 1080s and thus produced at the same time as the later post-1948 package entrees
Regarding the post/pre-1948 thread I'd like to mention I think Davis's Technicolor short THE PEST WHO CAME TO DINNER was the oldest (that I can identify, anyhow), produced post-1948 short (the important thing is produced, again, the same criteria I use to point out THE UP-STANDING SITTER's the last PRE-1948 short as opposed to the last release to be sold to a.a.p. for the pre-48 (and that and post-1948 are SUCH misnomers, but that's dealt with in part in the above mentioned thread), which was HAREDEVIL HARE with THE SHELL-SHOCKED EGG in between).
Besides the credit lettering looking more like those in the pre-1948 package) the last few like HAREDEVIL HARE and BUCCANEER BUNNY) John Carey, who's absent on the later post-1948 Art Davis WB shorts, is animator, George Hill (he wrote Davis's first, MOUSE MENACE), rather than Lloyd Tuner (with and without Bill Scott) and the Looney Tunes legend on the end, lacks, as do the pre-1948 Looney Tunes since Robert McKimson's ACROBATTY BUNNY introduced the concentric rings for color shorts for the ending (there! another underrated McKimson acheivment, and Bob Clampett was the first, in THE GREAT PIGGYBANK ROBBERY to use the 1946-1954 theme arrangement), the important REG.U.S.PAT.OFF trademark ID whiich the Merrie Melodies (and LOONEY TUNES thru the end of the PORKY IN A DRUM era, which ended with HUSH MY MOUSE), had always used.
In short looking at the fonts, the animaiton and non Scott/Turner story credits, and the lack of a trademark indefitication under "Looeny Tunes", I'd say THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER's (1948) the oldest post-1948 to be produced. It was not the first released, though, (YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER holding that honor) released on......September 11, 1948 (at least only Porky's terrmite pest posed any problem for THAT Sept.11!).
YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER, THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER and HOT CROSS BUNNY (among post-1948s, and most 1948-released pre-1948s productionwise) bear orange rings and a red or black hole.(a subject of a thread on one of Jon Cooke's earlier message boards, started by BUM) . Speaking of HOT CROSS BUNNY, thanks to Dave Mackey's siote I know it is no.1053 thus the first produced (after No.,1052, HAREDEVIL HARE) post-1948, and one of the first released. For the record, some other firsts among post-1948s
Actually all firsts:
First released: YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER 8/7/48 (two weeks after HAREDEVIL HARE,7/24/48)
First released with original open: The next, DOUGH-RAY-ME-OW (Prod.no.1088, 8/14/48)
First Bugs Bunny and first known production number in the case of a post-1948: HOT CROSS BUNNY, no.1053, and 8/21/48's
First produced: from what I can tell, judging by the info I gave, either YOU WERE NEVER DUCKIER, HOT CROSS BUNNY, or THE PEST THAT CAME TO DINNER
First produced with oriiginal open: THE STUPOR SALESMAN (no.1058, 11/20/48, though the following HAVE been restored: SCAREDY CAT,no.1056, 12/18/48 and THE FOGHORN LEGHORN, no.1057, 10/23?/48. Dave Mackey says on his site that another creditless BLUE RIBBON, the only Cinecolor one in the post-1948 package, and the last produced as known, DAFFY DILLY is no.1064, yet it bears a 1948 copyright)
So I'd guess that THE PEST WHO CAME TO DINNER (1948) (done in Technicolor) is Prod.no.1044 ot 1045.[just guessin'] and produced among the pre-1948s (just as a number of Cinecolor shorts of the previous, post-1948 package are in the 1070s or 1080s and thus produced at the same time as the later post-1948 package entrees