"Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion" Talkback (MAJOR SPOILERS)

[Evil Dr. Reef]

That's right folks, the last chapter in the Evangelion saga came out today. So who wants to talk about it? I know I will, when I get done watching it. Speaking of which, I'm off to pick up my copy. I'll post a review when I get back. Later, all.

[zarius]

It's great for when you're undertaking pyschological threapy.. ;)

[KingKoopa]

I'm gonna get it ASAP, and I'm not worried about spoilers because I've already had just about everything spoiled already.

I hope I can get it tonight, but I doubt it.

[SpotLane]

I'm so glad it finally came out! Does anyone know if the DVD has any interesting extras?

[Sheamon]

Picked up the DVD today, as far as I can tell the only extra is the directors commentary (which was horrific on Death & Rebirth). Have already seen the movie, but am looking forward to seeing a high quality version (I've only seen a crappy realplayer fansub...)

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Whoa.


That's all I can say. For those of you who've seen episodes 25 & 26 of the series (and ignored my spoiler warning), to tell you the truth, "My Pure Heart For You" isn't that much different. The major difference is, besides being animated about a billion times better, EoE actually SHOWS you the Third Impact. And it's spectacular. This is one of the few films that has made me say "Wow" out loud. Just the scope of it is enough to make you go "That was freaking awesome". But, like I said, otherwise it's not that different from the last two episodes of the series. Shinji still goes through his psychological interrigation of himself, and comes out of it to a surreal world, not to mention the end of the film. But the Third Impact sequences alone make it a worthwhile experience. It's simply amazing. And I still have no idea what the hell is going on in the end. The "End" of Evangelion? Kinda. I don't think there is a true ending to this show. Just more and more questions.

[randomguy]

Anno is laughing all the way to the bank.

[gtracer72]

OMG. The was spectacular. The Third Impact was so sweet.
And I still have no idea what the hell is going on in the end

I don't get it either. At the end, are Shinji and Asuka the only one alive on earth? What is going on?? But still, this movie was awesome.

The one thing I didn't like was the scenes when they showed real people.

I say get the movie. It is awesome.

Go Asuka, the German firecracker

EDIT: what was the real purpose in starting the Third Impact?

[Zero Angel]

here we go folks. the whats whens whys and whos...and a little bit of theory to the end of the series...

first of all...yes everyone except for Shinji and 'Asuka' is dead. they have all had their spirits liberated and were supposed to attain that next step in human evolution but Shinji screwed things up...hence the huge Rei/Karou falling apart at the pinacle of the event that was Third Impact.

Second...the reason behind Third Impact was a means to unite all of humanity into one being, to attain perfection of the whole. they speak of all that great Eva physics "the body is merely a contained AT field for the soul..." spoken as Rei starts to fall apart in front of Lilith. Gendo wanted to attain a controlled Third Impact so that he would still have his consciousness with Yui, this is why he has the Adam clone on his palm. Lorenz Keel, the head of Seele, wanted to attain Third Impact because he simply wanted rest...hey being the wandering jew and forever walking the earth is quite a prospect...Third Impact is a nice change. the problem with Lorenz's ideal was that Gendo had alter motives then his own, watch the series to see all of the discrepencies. and Gendo's problem was that he underestimated the souless puppet Rei in not forming her own willpower and defying him. all the would be death conquerers fell and the only one left to make the decision was Shinji, good ole butt weasel.

Third...the end song is called Come Sweet Death, yes it is a beautiful song and complimented the end sequences quite well. anyone that says otherwise...well your taste value has been noted.

Fourth...and this is theory on my part here, Asuka is dead. the person on the beach of LCL fluid at the end of the movie is an amalgamation of a few females in Shinji's life. Misato, Yui, and Asuka.

Fifth...did Misato die before Third Impact started? honestly i dont know...with Ritsuko you see her floating in the LCL bath that Lilith is surrounded by, but then later all you see in the fluid is her lab coat, you also see Misato laying in the hallway with a Rei watching her...weither or not this is similar to the device used in the first episode or not i have no clue...all i know is that everyone else that saw Rei, or saw what they wanted of Rei, became puddles.

Sixth...it is confirmed, vomit girl Maya did have the hots for Ritsuko.

Seventh...it is also confirmed that Eva is the greatest acheivment of power and faith and science among men. it truely ascends the glory of god and keeps forever intact all the knowledge and history that man has ever had while reseting everything...leaving an Adam and Eve pairing.

Eighth...is EoE a happy, sad, or disturbing ending? well a little bit of both. most over everything else is disturbing. it is sad because all those characters that we have come up with watching and loving for all these episodes are dead by the end...not to mention everyone else in the world...not a pretty prospect. but there is hope in the ending...Shinji doesnt kill 'Asuka'. does this show his weakness of will or strength of compassion, i dont know...what it does show however is that Shinji really doesnt want oblivion over someone that insulted him and belittled him. and that is always a sign of character growth.

i think that is enough for now...if anyone would like to rebute my statements or add their own theories or thoughts to mine own...feel free.

Ja Ne...

(I feel sick...)

[gtracer72]

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense now.

[Sandoz]

Originally posted by Zero Angel
first of all...yes everyone except for Shinji and 'Asuka' is dead. they have all had their spirits liberated and were supposed to attain that next step in human evolution but Shinji screwed things up...hence the huge Rei/Karou falling apart at the pinacle of the event that was Third Impact.

Actually, Shinji and Asuka aren't fated to be the only people on earth. We see the ghostly Rei's "collect" souls for Instrumentality, and their bodies turn into LCL. Yui says at the end of the film that anyone who was taken into Instrumentality can return to human form should they choose to. That means that everyone who turned into tang, including Misato and Ritsuko, can come back.



Fourth...and this is theory on my part here, Asuka is dead. the person on the beach of LCL fluid at the end of the movie is an amalgamation of a few females in Shinji's life. Misato, Yui, and Asuka.

I've heard that theory before, and personally, I believe that it's really Asuka beside Shinji, not his "perfect" woman. I think that because her bandages correspond with her injuries during the MP Eva battle, and we see that when characters die, a ghostly Rei appears before them, yet she never appears for Asuka. Plus, there's a life support system in her plug suit, and it could have kept her alive. I'm inclined to believe that Asuka, the real Asuka, was with Shinji at the end because he subconsiously wished her to be, or that since people with the will to live can return from the tang, Asuka was merely the first to return.

[gtracer72]

Originally posted by Sandoz
Actually, Shinji and Asuka aren't fated to be the only people on earth. We see the ghostly Rei's "collect" souls for Instrumentality, and their bodies turn into LCL. Yui says at the end of the film that anyone who was taken into Instrumentality can return to human form should they choose to. That means that everyone who turned into tang, including Misato and Ritsuko, can come back.






Wait, Misato was shot, and then she blew up. Did I miss something?

[Sandoz]

Misato was shot, but right before the place blows Rei appears in front of her. Then, later in the movie, we see everyone turned into LCL and there's a scene where Rei's feet are beside Misato's torn jacket....that's lying in a pool of LCL.

[Zero Angel]

Originally posted by Sandoz

I've heard that theory before, and personally, I believe that it's really Asuka beside Shinji, not his "perfect" woman. I think that because her bandages correspond with her injuries during the MP Eva battle, and we see that when characters die, a ghostly Rei appears before them, yet she never appears for Asuka. Plus, there's a life support system in her plug suit, and it could have kept her alive. I'm inclined to believe that Asuka, the real Asuka, was with Shinji at the end because he subconsiously wished her to be, or that since people with the will to live can return from the tang, Asuka was merely the first to return.

well if Rei hadnt appeared before her then that can only mean that she didnt turn into LCL, i think it has something to do with the fact she was in Eva while Third Impact was going on...at least the remains of one, and that protected her so to speak. the only other plausible explanation at this point then is that she did survive eviseration, disembowelment, impalment, and then a very gruesome crusifiction. i mean if Touji could survive being crushed inside of the entry plug after all the trauma that was caused to Bartiel then i guess Asuka could also survive what happened to her...i just happen to think that Shinji created the woman next to him and she happened to have the souls of the three woman that meant the most to him throughout his life inside of her...which is also semi plausible considering that Misato and Yui were already taken.

[Sheamon]

Third...the end song is called Come Sweet Death, yes it is a beautiful song and complimented the end sequences quite well. anyone that says otherwise...well your taste value has been noted.


Why are you calling it the end song when it played with 20 minutes left in the movie? :p End of Eva has no end song, although with Manga botching it and having no pause whatsoever between the end and the english credits, I can certainly see confusion over it... regardless, the song during the english credits is Thanatos, not Komm Susser Tod... @_@



Sixth...it is confirmed, vomit girl Maya did have the hots for Ritsuko.


Where did they confirm that? Maya had a lot of respect for Ritsuko, but just because she hugged her doesn't mean she was in love with her. The movie confirmed nothing.

[Zero Angel]

Originally posted by Sheamon
Why are you calling it the end song when it played with 20 minutes left in the movie? :p End of Eva has no end song, although with Manga botching it and having no pause whatsoever between the end and the english credits, I can certainly see confusion over it... regardless, the song during the english credits is Thanatos, not Komm Susser Tod... @_@

the end i meant was as in Third Impact the end. i know that the end for Air was Thanatos. either way...




Originally posted by Sheamon
Where did they confirm that? Maya had a lot of respect for Ritsuko, but just because she hugged her doesn't mean she was in love with her. The movie confirmed nothing.

well when you consider that everyone saw the person closest to them you have to wonder what was on Maya's mind as the world was ending. even the way she calls out to her saying "sempai" (teacher, respected elder, etc) it shows that she had a little more then just simple respect for her.

[Sandoz]

Well, not everyone saw the person closest to them, unless Aoba had an affair with all the Rei clones we didn't know about. ;)

[David Lucas]

Hey everyone,
By a weird coincidence, I actually JUST started watching Eva this weekend because my friend had every episode except the last 2 on VHS. I sat up all night watching it because I thought that Genesis 0:12 was the last video, since it said on it "the exciting conclusion in....GENESIS 0:12!!"

So of course <SPOILER>

after Shinji crushes the last Angel, after a scene that I thought would NEVER END with that song playing in the background while he holds him in his eva's hand. I was waiting for a big super conclusion..............all I got was the "next episode" crap.

Now, I haven't seen the last 2 episodes and I haven't seen EoE, so what would all of your opinions be for me to see first. I don't gotta lotta $$ here in college so I'd be willing to buy one of them on dvd and see the other one much later. What's better to wrap it up with, The last eps? or EoE?

[Sandoz]

I suggest watching the last two episodes, then EoE, then the last two episodes again. It will make a lot more sense that way. But, if you can only buy one or the other, go for the movie.

[Zero Angel]

Originally posted by Sandoz
Well, not everyone saw the person closest to them, unless Aoba had an affair with all the Rei clones we didn't know about. ;)

well yes i understand this...i denote that to a flaw in the direction up to this point. we never see to much of Aoba...as far as his affiliation with any of the other chars. as a matter of fact when we see him being surrounded by the Reis he is terrified and cringing under the desk away from them. i think that we get a chance view into everyone's subconcsious mind in a moment of life before death...or ascention. whatever you want to call it. another thing is that the people that we see are all already dead...or disappeared under strange circumstances.

oh well...

[gtracer72]

I have a sneeking supision that Maya did have special feelings for Ritsuko. Wheter Ritsuko recognized those feelings, I don't know. I remember reading an interview with Anno, and this question came up. All he said was, "What do you think." Just another Unsolved Mystery.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

With as... "close"... as Maya and "Ristuko" got right before she got Tanged, I'd say it was something more than just respect for a mentor.

[Batmex]

I got a few questions:

Asuka tore two Eva sereis apart badly, how did they regenerated along with armor?

[Sandoz]

Remember how Eva-01 was able to regenerate its arm after ingesting the 14th Angel's S2 organ? It's the same thing. The Mass Production Evas had S2 engines that enabled them to regenerate. And I don't think the armor regenerated...for example, the one that Asuka sliced in two regenerated, but its halfs were joined only by the spine.

[Batmex]

eeek!

Thanks for reply, those Eva series did something horrible to Eva 02 I can't believe that Kaworu's tought patterns were on those dummy plugs.

[oranthal]

Originally posted by Sandoz
Remember how Eva-01 was able to regenerate its arm after ingesting the 14th Angel's S2 organ? It's the same thing. The Mass Production Evas had S2 engines that enabled them to regenerate. And I don't think the armor regenerated...for example, the one that Asuka sliced in two regenerated, but its halfs were joined only by the spine.

actually, Unit 01 regenerated its arm before ingesting the S2 organ. the 14th angel attacked Unit 01 with its "paper blades" and caught it. after Unit 01 pushed the Angel away, the paper blade tore off from the angel and Unit 01 proceeded to put the paper blade to its missing left arm, then the arm regenerated. i think i might have seen the series too many times.

[gtracer72]

Originally posted by oranthal
actually, Unit 01 regenerated its arm before ingesting the S2 organ. the 14th angel attacked Unit 01 with its "paper blades" and caught it. after Unit 01 pushed the Angel away, the paper blade tore off from the angel and Unit 01 proceeded to put the paper blade to its missing left arm, then the arm regenerated. i think i might have seen the series too many times.

I think 01 ate the S2 organ after the 14 angel was defeated. It happened right at the end of the episode.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

And now it's time for... Commentary Reviews! Or at least mine.

Sex, sex, sex. That's all these people ever talk about. At least, in the first part of the commentary track. That, and how much flak they got for having the inutterable "F-Word" in the movie, not once, but twice. The track for 26' started to go into the symbolism behind the Third Impact, and about how phallic the Lances looked in the S2 Evas. Creepy. The tracks for this movie were still better than the ones for "Death and Rebirth" (which I still like, even though the commentary for "Air" is the same one they did for "Rebirth"), although they did kinda goof around when they were recording them. Still, they were entertaining at least, and now I know why there are goofy-ass *squelch*ing sounds in some parts of the movie. You know where I'm talking about.

[Batmex]

Amanda Winn Lee scares me, she is evil, a violence lover, but at least she makes cute giggles :D

[stanteau]

"NERV has defeated the last Angel, but their biggest threat proves to be SEELE, which is still determined to initiate the Third Impact at any cost. Sending the Japanese army and nine automonous EVA units to invade NERV headquarters, SEELE plans to realize their goal using Unit-01 as their tool. Misato wages a desperate battle to protect a despondent Shinji from the enemy, whose orders are to terminate the three Children on sight. Meanwhile Asuka wakes from her coma to engage the new EVA series alone in Unit-02, and Gendo summons Rei to put his final plan in motion. But Rei has plans of her own, and ultimately leaves it up to Shinji to decide the future of humanity."

How do you describe The End of Evangelion? When the TV series first debuted on television in JApan it was a breakout hit, a true little engine that could. Produced by Studio Gainax, the indy studios of anime, make this little low budget mecha TV series directed by a nobody, Hideaki Anno who before this only had a few filmography credits under his belt. Gainax gave him the chance he wanted to prove himself and them came Neon Genesis Evangelion. By the third week it swept Japan by storm. Of all the high-budget, heavily hyped anime series on TV, this little noname series that could became number 1 in the entire country.And as it went on, it just grew and grew. Then came the ending.

Episode 24 was the pinnacle of the series. Episode 24 brought all supporting sub-plots together, while at the same time introducing even more questions to the already insane mix. Fans needed a conculsion for it, and they got one. They got a finale they did not care for however, and it's understandable. On a personal note I loved the finale, it's a very psychological approach, spitting in the face of every anime device everyone expects. There's rumors of Gainax running out of money, that End of Evangelion was supposed to be the original ending, etc. but the fans got a barrage of still frames, no action, just a psychological process of the end of the world.

However, of course, the fans did not like. Gainax, and even Anno himself, we're barraged with hate mail and death threats demanding a new ending. These answers went unheeded for 2 years. Then on Jul 19th, 1997, same The End of Evangelion. The derivitive ending to one of the most influential anime series ever. They got The End of Evangelion.

Anno gave the fans everything they wanted such as the big Mass Prod. fight however it was presented to them in such a sad and backhanded way that it left them fulfilled yet morbidly depressed. The movie was filled with constant death, constant destruction, and just a morbid end to the characters they grew to love so much, not to mention all the sexual symbolism, such as a child Shinji playing in a sandbox that obviously represents the womb, mixed with such graphic violence is almost too much to bear at times. As the movie goes on the fans realise what they got themselves into and by the end, they are left with a depressing scene of Shinji, the true anti-hero, strangling the beloved Asuka Langley Soryu on a beach tainted with the blood of the innocent.

When I first viewed the movie, I won't lie, I cried like a baby. It was such a hopeless movie, I couldn't help it. I grew up without parents as well so I know the pain, I never had it as bad as Shinji, but I can at least relate to an extent. The "Farewell Mother" scene, where Shinji finally has a chance to say goodbye to the woman he loves so much, is such a beautifal scene, from the animation to the music to the heart-aching dialogue, it is utterly perfect. When the final words, "Farewell...mother" we're spoken, I lost it. Maybe the greatest part of the movie that most look over is the scene of Yui and Fuyutsuki. In the middle of the speech Shinji gives to his mother is a scene in which Yui and Fuyutsuki discuss the existance of man. How if one single soul can survive, maybe the history of mankind will remain in the book of life, all the while the symbol of the angelic Rei stares soulessly at the, now dead, Evangelion Unit 01.

The movie is so deep, with such meaning to everyone, you'll never look at it the same time twice. I've seen it at least 150 times, if not more. I schedule one day a week to watch it, and I will for the rest of my life. Love or hate it, nobody can deby the utter perfectness of it from a directors view.

We are now 5 years later, it's 2002, and Manga has released this work of art on DVD for the mass US audience. Manga licensed the movie back in the year if 1999, officially announcing it in 2000. The buzz began. All across the United States fans we're in heavy anticipation. Like the Japan audience, the US market felt betrayed and unfulfilled by the television series ending, however ADV didn't buy the right to the movie that the fans craved. They didn't buy it due to the insane price tag Gainax had on it. Here comes MAnga to the rescue. For 3 years the fans sat patiently through non-stop delays and promises. That was the big thing, the extras. Through the past year Manga hyped an insane ammount of extras. They eluded to a physical copy of the Red Cross Book, an interview with Hideaki Anno, even a full audio commentary with Anno. Fans put up with the delays in hope that MAnag would pull through, well, they didn't, but we'll discuss that in a sec.

Picture and sound are amazing. The Evangelion DVD's released by ADV we're plagued by jittery picture, color flops, and even the audasity of using overlays. ADV has reissued the defective DVD's since then, but the damage was done. This is a great improvement. The picture is a vibrant, widescreen presentation with not a single skip or jitter. Meanwhile, the sound has 6 different tracks, 7 if you include the commentary. They provide English and Japan all in Stereo, Dolby 5.1, and even Dolby 6.1! It sound absolutely amazing, absolutely no complaints there.

The menus are done equally as good. It opens with the scene of the camera ascending the EVA spinal chords while beutifal symphonic music plays in the background. The menues are set up very well and organized, you can tell it was very thought out and planned.

Now we get to the nitty gritty, the extras. After all the rumors and promises, we get a commentary by English Language Director Amanda Winn Lee, her husband Jason C. Lee, and Taliesin Jaffe. This is literally the soul extra on the DVD. 3 years of wait and hype, and that's all we get.

To add to it, in truly selfish fashion, Amanda Lee added in sound effects. Not like gunshots or something like that, but a cartoony "splatter" sound. It's in 2 specific places. When Misato shoots down the SEELE guards and when the Mass Prod. are impailing themselves and the lances explode. It's completely out of place and sounds childish. Other changes are 2 uses of the F word, once in the opening scene and again before Misato's demise. The second use is almost needed to show the anger in the scene, but the first is after Shinji sees his semen, where every fansub ever produced translated it as "I'm disgusting" Lee felt it necessary to throw in "I F'ed up". It's not apalling or anything, buit a definite annoyance. Then there's the obvious script changes that seem almost for comedy which are completely not needed in this context.

Another big video change is the replacement of the ending credits. The original has snow flakes/sakura leaves falling down while Beethoven's Third plays over it, superimposing this beautifal melody over the saddness the audience just witnessed. Manga saw fit to replay Thantos over a generic white on black credits roll.

On a side note, in some versions of End of Evangelion, in the first strangling scene, when Asuka says "no" there is no sound, but a kanji for "no" but I've seen it with the voice in there so I can't complain about that.

The dub is once again attrcious. One of my favorite scenes ever, the first strangling is just murdered by the horridness of the US voice actors. Tiffany Grant ruins the character of Asuka for me. The dub fanboys often use the excuse that Asuka SHOULD sound annoying, but Tiffany takes it to a whole nother level. She transcends annoying and approaches, no, breaks through the barrier of irritating. Her voice is so screechy and just mindnumbingly annoying it literally makes me wnat to skip scenes. To add to it, Spike Spencer can NOT present emotion worth a damn. It's hard to put into words, but where Megumi Ogata presented a sad and helpless little boy, Spike Spencer gives us some 16 year old who's voice is still cracking. He sounds older, yet still can't read a line while making it sound as if he cares. Once again, just completely murdering an amazing scene.

The commentary is the big seller here for most fanboys however. Where do I start.

First off they mixed it horribly. In most scenes you can't hear the commentary track at all, it's so muffled by the music and action, you just can't hear. Second they really laugh way too much for such a sad movie. Plus Wendee really acts kind of pompus at times, taking credit for adding childish sound effects as if she's proud of it.

It's not all bad however. You can tell they really love the movie. They go into great detail in the religious symbolism. It was obvious that they did some severe research. Plus they, once again, go into GREAT depth into the sexual symbolism of the movie, even pointing out something I never saw, which is the scene at the sand box being a naked female. Plus they have the advantage of heavy duty video equipment and point out freeze-frame fun such as in Misato's death you can see her head flying through the air. THe commentary was fun and I wish more anime DVD's would do it.

End of Evangelion is a masterpiece all should own, Manga's presentation is a letdown from all the promises, but a solid DVD none-the-less, plus the movie is worth it anyway.

[stanteau]

My EoE theories<p>

Before I start I want to say these are OPINIONS!When it comes to EoE odds are I am not right,Ramen is not right,and Rossman sure as **** aint right.<p>

First off the endings do synch and what follows is a list of how.<p>

<b>Episode 25</b><p>

-Shinji's beggining soliloquy projects his depression in the movie.This could be palced right at the beggining of Air<p>

-Asuka's 'trial' is in her EVA underwater,where she was throughout Air until the EVA fight<p>

-This may be pushing it a little but Rei sees all her clones just like in the movies<p>

-Rei says "I prayed for the day he came for me but....I fear it" and at the end Gendo appears in front of her,obviously Gendo taking Rei to fuse with Lilith<p>

-Episode title,"The End of the World" nuff said<p>

-Shinji says "It's as though my physical form were dissapearing",nuff said<p>

-We see Ritsuko and Misato's dead bodies<p>

-Gendo's speech explains the movies perfectly<p>

-Misato and Ritsuko's conversation again explains the movies<p>

-The sex scene is in the movie except without Misato,Misato whining could have easily been in the movie and fit perfectly<p>

-Asuka says "Don't kill me" she repeats this in her EVA before her 'breakthrough'<p>

-The characters say Shinji wanted everyone did, the tag line for the movie and he does kill everyone<p>

<b>Episode 26</b><p>

-"We Will meld with eachother","This is instrumentality" nuff said<p>

-The first 4 minutes before the telephone part is a lot like Shinji and Rei's conversating right after the strangling scene<p>

-When it shows a B&W shot of Shinji with everyones sketches filling in the color the dialgouge is sort of like the dialouge from the scene mentioned above<p>

-Yui giving Shinji his final advise<p>

-Shinji's Breakthrough doesn't really fit in the movies,the movies have a sad ending and the TV episodes have a happy ending<p>

-Overall all of episode 26 until the comedy could of easily been put in the movie during Shinji's mind sequence<p>

I will cover the rest issue by issue<p>

<b>Main plot</b>-OK,the 17 angels were to test man to see if they could go on or not.Shinji is given the choice as to whether to save humanity (aka have them go on/evolve) or just say "**** the world".He is given this because the final angel (Lilith/Rei) realized that he should have the final say.<p>

<b>About the last 2 eps</b>-Think of it like the Albert Brooks movie "Defending Your Life".In it you could only go on (evolve) if you have overcome your fears.Well it's the same thing.The final impact was meant to combine mankind into one entity and be at full peace.Problem is if one bad soul gets by it can all be ruined.They do the trials (and everyone goes through these) to either get a person over they're fears or to see if they can.If not than they are thrown away.<p>

<b>Is this instrumentality/complentation?</b><p>

Yup<p>

<b>The fist strangling</b>-I'musing a LOT of metaphores but think of this kinda like the Q Continuem in Voyager.For those who havn't seen the episode the Continuem is seen as something it is not so humans can understand it.One example is (and my fav episode of Voyager) the Continuem,which is actually where gods live,is seen as an endless desert highway.Well Shinji had to make the decision and to help him realize it his mind agve him Asuka.Asuka is the world.Asuka/the world has **** on him,lied to him,and overall completely destroyed Shinji in every way possible.After thinking about it Shinji just lifts his middle finger and says he aint puttin up with it no more.This is also the instrumentality/complement failing or being interrupted.<p>

<b>The "sandcastle" scene-</b>Just a flashback to Shinji's past.Once again Shinji is abandoned.He destroys the castle out of anger but rebuilds it since he never gives up (or "runs away").There's lots of sexual meaning to this as well,if you'll notice the hills,sun,and sandbox form a naked female, as if Shinji was reentering the womb. To add to the creepiness of it the whole scene seems to take place on a movie set.BTW,notice the shape?Seen it somewhere else?<p>

<b>the Rei/Yui conversation</b>-They basically tell Shinji that he commands his life and that it wasn't the world but Shinji who has destroyed his life.Like Asuka had a much worse childhood but she didn't let it control her.Shinji realises what he's done (explaining his sad tone during the Yui part)<p>

<b>The Rei/Lilith throat slit</b>-This happens RIGHT after Shinji strangles Asuka.This is the world going to hell.Because the film is shown semi-out of order it is confusing but like I said it happens right after Shinji strangles Asuka.If I could change 1 thing about the movie it'd be to show the third impact,strangling,throat slit in that order but the thing about EoE is it all takes place in Shinji's mind so the whole movie (except the physical stuff of course) could've been a 2 second blip of his thoughts.<p>

<b>The live action scenes</b><p>

Mainly Gainax was running LOW on budget.Some of the footage is canned film,some isn't.There are a few worthy notes of interest however.<p>

-The three woman on the sidewalk are the Voice Actresses for Rei/Yui,Asuka,and Shinji (yes,Shinji is played by a woman)<p>

-Not confirmed but the scene of the theatre was spliced in minutes before the film aired.At the debut of the film,about 20 minutes before the movie started,someone rushed out and filmed the crowd (explaining why some seats are empty) and they spliced it in<p>

-There is porn in there,about 2 seconds at the very beggining,EoE is suprisingly a very sexual film<p>

-The swing was added days before the film was released,it is supposed to be a reference to earlier in the movie when Shinji is building the sand castle<p>

<b>Yui,Rei,and Kaoru talking to Shinji-</b>Just giving him advice.It is they're souls talking to him.They tell him that he was wrong with what he did but not to worry,life can come back if it has the will.<p>

<b>Asuka on the beach-</b>I have 2 opinions on this.<p>

1-This is an idea I got off the EVA mailing list. It basically says that the "Asuka" we see in the final scene of EoE is, in fact, a combination of all 3 women in Shinji's life (Misato, Asuka, and Rei). <p>

"That's insane," you're saying. But think it through: <p>

Misato and Rei's bodies were both destroyed in the movie. However, their souls still exist. Rei collected Misato's soul (the translucent image of Rei just before Misato gets blown up), and we see Rei again at the end of the movie. So their minds are intact. <p>

Asuka is just the opposite. Her body was intact (much like Shinji, she was in an Eva during Third Impact. That might have offered her some protection against being dissolved). What about her mind? She was synching with Unit-02 when it was killed. If Unit-02 died with Asuka's mind linked to it, then in all possibility Asuka could've died, too. Why else would Maya have been so disturbed by Unit-02's death, if she didn't know the pilot was dead, too? <p>

Also, Asuka's bandaged eye corresponds with the eye Unit-01 burst out of on the giant Rei. Of course, this could also have just been the lances of the MPE's, but I'm just throwing this one out. Believe what you will. <p>

So, Shinji ends up with his perfect woman: Asuka's physical attractiveness, Misato's tenderness, and Rei's calm manner.
I'm full of it, you're telling me. OK, I might be. But then someone else on the Eva Mailing List presented this retort: Asuka has blue eyes. Misato has brown eyes. Check out the color of Asuka's eye in the above picture. <p>

Just something to think about.<p>

2-Simply enough Asuka is completely,mentally drained.We don't know when the scene takes place.It could be 10 billion years in the future or ten minutes later.It's very possible Asuka is in a complete "What the **** happened?" mode and (probably) won't wake up from it.<p>

<b>Second strangling</b>-Look at what Shinji went through in a 2 hour period.He saw numerous NERV personel die,saw Misato die,saw a giant ****in angel that looked like Rei,stangled Asuka,had a vision of Kaoru and Rei telling him about life,saw his mom,and he wakes up on a descelate blood red beach with Asuka almost dead next to him,what would you do?He doesn't believe it's real so he starts strangling her like he did in his vision.Asuka,the women who completely ****ed with him for a year.Asuka carresses his cheek the same way Yui did in his vision and he realises what he did.How he killed everyone.He begans crying because of what he had become.Asuka's final line basically translates to "This is disgusting" (DON'T argue with me,you can give me 5,000 different trans. and they all mean pretty much the same thing) and means what it says,this is disgusting.<p>

I have several EVA card games and after LOTS of searching found this translation to one of them that may help prove my theory.<p>

<i>Part II (movies) Drama card D-88 <br>
Title: "Kimochi warui" <br>
Small print: <br>
"Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and accepted each other unconditionally. His desire... to live
with 'others' -- other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the first thing he did after coming to
his senses was to place his hands around Asuka's neck. To feel the existence of an 'other'. To confirm (make sure of) rejection
and denial." </i><p>

<b>Shinji seeing shadow Rei on the beach</b>-At the beggining of the series Shinji sees Shadow Rei.Also whenever someone died in EoE they saw Shadow Rei,almost a prophecy of they're death.Now since we can assume that Shinji was the first to see her it's pssoible that instead of being a prophecy of death that since he was the first it means he is the one that is going to rbing death.When he sees her at the end on the beach it could mean any of the following<p>

-He will bring death once again (strangling Asuka)<p>

-They will die on the beach<p>

-He has done what he was born for<p>

It's all subjective<p>

<b>Hyuga seeing Misato,Fuuyutski seeing Yui,etc. before they die/souls are collected-</b><p>

Angel-Rei uses they're images to try and calm people<p>

<b>What is Hideaki Anno's statement on EoE and will his interview on the DVD explain everything?</b><p>

Shortly,NO!EoE means nothing to him.In one interview I have he says (and I quote)<p>

<i>"EoE was made for me and fans of Shinji.I grew up,well,a loser and I made EoE for people who grew up like me.EoE is one of the few movies where the loser wins,nothing more,nothing less."</i><p>

Which is exactly why I ****in love the movie to death.Tons of my CD's are just labeled "Manga-Videos" but if I ever find my 3 Anno interviews I'll post 'em.<p>

<b>Is it possible that humanity will reform one day?</b><p>

Well of course.Yui said "All living things have the ability to return to their original form... and the heart to go on living." so theoretically the last scene takes place hundreds of years and the future and Shinji and "Asuka" are the only 2 to come back.Noone will ever know.<p>

<b>Can people who died before the Third Impact started (Misato,Ritsuko,etc.) to reform?</b><p>

There's 2 answers,yes and no.<p>

Yes-Rei appeared before them as they died so theoretically they're souls have been collected plus angel-Rei uses they're images to calm people.<p>

No-Only souls after the Third Impact are collected<p>

If you think of another question email me at stanteau@hotmail.com

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Sorry to skip entirely over your comments stanteau, but I have a MIGHTY NEED to post a couple thoughts about the above review.


Picture and sound are amazing. The Evangelion DVD's released by ADV we're plagued by jittery picture, color flops, and even the audasity of using overlays. ADV has reissued the defective DVD's since then, but the damage was done. This is a great improvement. The picture is a vibrant, widescreen presentation with not a single skip or jitter. Meanwhile, the sound has 6 different tracks, 7 if you include the commentary. They provide English and Japan all in Stereo, Dolby 5.1, and even Dolby 6.1! It sound absolutely amazing, absolutely no complaints there.
I can agree with that. The picture quality and sound are fantabulous on the DVD.


To add to it, in truly selfish fashion, Amanda Lee added in sound effects. Not like gunshots or something like that, but a cartoony "splatter" sound. It's in 2 specific places. When Misato shoots down the SEELE guards and when the Mass Prod. are impailing themselves and the lances explode. It's completely out of place and sounds childish.
I can agree with that too. An added sound effect would have been cool, had it not been one that sounds like you're squirting toothpaste out of the tube. It sounds crappy.


Other changes are 2 uses of the F word, once in the opening scene and again before Misato's demise. The second use is almost needed to show the anger in the scene, but the first is after Shinji sees his semen, where every fansub ever produced translated it as "I'm disgusting" Lee felt it necessary to throw in "I F'ed up". It's not apalling or anything, buit a definite annoyance. Then there's the obvious script changes that seem almost for comedy which are completely not needed in this context.
First off, the line is "I'm so f***** up". Second, the English dubs have to be reviewed by the original Japanese companies and crew, so if Anno and Gainax thought that the line was inappropriate, they would've changed it. Like Lee says in the Commentary, a 14 year-old boy wanking himself over the body of a comatose 14 year-old girl is something to be "f***** up" over.


The dub is once again attrcious. One of my favorite scenes ever, the first strangling is just murdered by the horridness of the US voice actors. Tiffany Grant ruins the character of Asuka for me. The dub fanboys often use the excuse that Asuka SHOULD sound annoying, but Tiffany takes it to a whole nother level. She transcends annoying and approaches, no, breaks through the barrier of irritating. Her voice is so screechy and just mindnumbingly annoying it literally makes me wnat to skip scenes. To add to it, Spike Spencer can NOT present emotion worth a damn. It's hard to put into words, but where Megumi Ogata presented a sad and helpless little boy, Spike Spencer gives us some 16 year old who's voice is still cracking. He sounds older, yet still can't read a line while making it sound as if he cares. Once again, just completely murdering an amazing scene.
Attrocious? What the heck is wrong with this guy? This is one of the better, if not one of the best, anime dubs I've ever heard. Manga kept the ADV cast for a reason. Sure, sometimes the dub for the show was a little odd, but the movie is definetly dubbed excellently.


The commentary is the big seller here for most fanboys however. Where do I start.

First off they mixed it horribly. In most scenes you can't hear the commentary track at all, it's so muffled by the music and action, you just can't hear. Second they really laugh way too much for such a sad movie. Plus Wendee really acts kind of pompus at times, taking credit for adding childish sound effects as if she's proud of it.
Urmm... maybe you got some different defective copy, but on my DVD it's the other way around. I can always hear the commentary, and the only time I can't is when they either call up a line of dialouge, or just aren't speaking. Maybe Manga put out more defective discs than they thought. :D Again, I can agree with Lee adding those horrible effects into the English dub, and the fact that they do goof around a lot in some of the later scenes, but it hardly ruines the commentary.


Oy. Just had to get that out there.

[stanteau]

Attrocious? What the heck is wrong with this guy? This is one of the better, if not one of the best, anime dubs I've ever heard. Manga kept the ADV cast for a reason. Sure, sometimes the dub for the show was a little odd, but the movie is definetly dubbed excellently.

Sorry,I forgot I didn't have an opinion.


Second, the English dubs have to be reviewed by the original Japanese companies and crew, so if Anno and Gainax thought that the line was inappropriate, they would've changed it.

Not true.Some studios go through and get ideas from the original creators (such as Synch-Point) but Manga could of had Shinji saying "LOLLIPOPS!",long as GAinax got paid it didn't matter.

[Zero Angel]

Attrocious? What the heck is wrong with this guy? This is one of the better, if not one of the best, anime dubs I've ever heard. Manga kept the ADV cast for a reason. Sure, sometimes the dub for the show was a little odd, but the movie is definetly dubbed excellently.

well alot of fans have hated the dub for Eva for a very long time now. i must say i kind of agree with what stan said for some of what i feel was wrong for the dub during the show. there was almost a constant inconsistancy with the pronounciation of names, Hillery Haag couldnt figure out if she wanted to say Ritsuko or Ritsko.

not to say that i dont like the dub cast for Eva, when i first started watching it i thought the dub was quite good. however, after seeing a fansubbed version (a very good fansub btw) of EoE i must say that i really cant see the dub cast pulling it off anywhere near as good as the japanese cast. of coarse i could be wrong...i havent seen the dvd yet to make such a definative statement. however...i have seen the show in both japanese and english now and i must say that i like the japanese more.

just my opinion on that one.

[stanteau]

Noone will ever be able to match Megumi Ogata's presentation of Shinji,never

[stanteau]

also


First off, the line is "I'm so f***** up". Second, the English dubs have to be reviewed by the original Japanese companies and crew, so if Anno and Gainax thought that the line was inappropriate, they would've changed it. Like Lee says in the Commentary, a 14 year-old boy wanking himself over the body of a comatose 14 year-old girl is something to be "f***** up" over.

But a simple "I'm disgusting" gives the same meaning and doesn't sound immature.

[Sheamon]

And now it's time for... Commentary Reviews! Or at least mine.


I got one too after just watching it. :p I'll just cut and paste what I've mentioned at another board here. Nothing but complaints, since there was nothing redeeming about it. :(

-Enough with all the references! If I wanna look up stuff that Eva took stuff from, I can do it easily on the web. And if I wanna hear people going overboard on it talking about how every insignificant thing is an obscure reference, I'll talk to Eva fanatics. Don't need to hear it from people with reputable positions in the business, of course with this they probably don't have much of a reputation anymore.

-Gotta love japanese lessons from Amanda Winn-Lee. You could learn it from her in no time!

"In another version of the movie Asuka says no and its in kanji on the screen!"

Um... no. It was katakana. Frankly if it was just some bozo off the street I wouldn't even notice the mistake but jeez, all you do is work on animes!

"There's no such word in japanese thats the equivalent for 'I'"

Really? So whats this 'watashi/watakushi' word I've been hearing so much? Just because its often left out doesn't mean it doesn't exist -_- Have you even watched a single anime in japanese Amanda?

-Love it when she talks about how careful they were about being faithful to the final line in the movie then go on a whim and change so many others without a care in the world.

I think the other stuff like the sound effects go without saying. Years of delays and this is what we get as the only extra. Geez, thanks Manga, you're sure up there on my list of favorites now.

[Zero Angel]

um...i hate Manga. not to say that i hate the anime that they produce...i just hate them as a distribution company. they delay everything that they put out, they really dont do a great job with the transition between media (havent seen what they did with EoE yet) and as far as translations that they do...they suck. the best that they have done thus far was the subtitled only director's cut of Macross Plus. most of that i believe is because the creator of MP wrote the script changes and actually sent it to them when they produced it here...no biggie on my end. i love the movie.

but they have FUBARed on several of their releases including another title that Gainex put out called Wings of Honneamise. i just dont really respect the company as a whole even though it was supposed to be the first one dedicated to the fans. well i really havent seen as such yet...

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Originally posted by stanteau
Sorry,I forgot I didn't have an opinion.
I didn't mean "You have no opinion" ( I didn't even know the first post was yours until you typed the above line), I was just wondering how anyone could consider the dub to be "attrocious". I can see how people would dislike the ADV version of Eva, but I still think that Manga did a above average job dubbing EoE. Not a spec-freaking-tacular, no-holds-barred great job, but definetly not "attrocious".


Not true.Some studios go through and get ideas from the original creators (such as Synch-Point) but Manga could of had Shinji saying "LOLLIPOPS!",long as GAinax got paid it didn't matter.
Well, than that's a stupid way of making sure that something you created remains true to the way you made it. I'm dissapointed in Gainax if that's truly how much they care about the English dubs of their shows.


But a simple "I'm disgusting" gives the same meaning and doesn't sound immature.
"I'm disgusting" would've worked very well. But I don't think the way it turned out is "immature".


Originally posted by Sheamon
"There's no such word in japanese thats the equivalent for 'I'"

Really? So whats this 'watashi/watakushi' word I've been hearing so much? Just because its often left out doesn't mean it doesn't exist -_- Have you even watched a single anime in japanese Amanda?

Heh. I forgot about that when I wrote my Commentary review. "No word for 'I'," eh? Then I guess I should go tell my old Japanese teacher that 'Watashi' isn't a real Japanese word, and that she's teaching the class wrong.

[stanteau]

She's sort of correct.It's hard to explain.there's no way to say "I" in the....no wonder I'm flunking Spanish,I don't know enough english.In Japanese,you can say "I'm hungry" but saying "I made that" is something else.There's obviously ways to say it,but in that sense there is no real word to say "I",just a way to say the other parts of the sentence and with context it makes sense in the end.

[Sheamon]

She's sort of correct.It's hard to explain.there's no way to say "I" in the....no wonder I'm flunking Spanish,I don't know enough english.In Japanese,you can say "I'm hungry" but saying "I made that" is something else.

Well thats not what she said :p She said there's no word for 'I' in japanese and not only is there one, there's three, if not more. They used them right there in the movie, I don't see whats so difficult for her...



There's obviously ways to say it,but in that sense there is no real word to say "I",just a way to say the other parts of the sentence and with context it makes sense in the end.

Dunno, will have to do some investigating into that. A lot of stuff in japanese is simply implied, and they leave out everything that isn't necessary. For example, if someone asked

Kore wa nan desu ka? (What is this?)

Rather than saying 'Kore wa hon desu' (This is a book); you'd say 'hon desu' (a book). Like in english if you said 'What is your name?' I'd simply say 'Sheamon' rather than 'My name is Sheamon'. I wouldn't be surprised if 'kimochi warui' could have 'watashi wa' in front of it, although like I mentioned, I'm not totally sure and will have to do some investigating into it.

Regardless, the minute details aren't all that important, the big thing is that this is a woman with a pretty lofty position in the dubbing business and she doesn't know the most basic things about the japanese language whatsoever. :(

[stanteau]

no,she is a retard,but in a sense there's no way to say I in the personal feeling sense of the word (hoep that made sense)

[MattThomasM2B]

Wow, this movie rocks!!!.........in a very, very sad and depressing way..... Just when I think that Shinji figures out that he shouldn't axe off all of humanity, the movie still managed to depress the heck out of me. Poor Shinji, stuck on a shattered earth, for now alone with a comatose-acting Asuka.

So, I only bought EOE instead of Death and Rebirth. Is Death and Rebirth worth more than completist value?

*Dodges the forum members before they can pelt him with rocks*

[gtracer72]

From what other people have told me about Death & Rebirth, don't get it, unless you juct want to complete the collection. I didn't get, I just stuck with End of Eva. Death & Rebirth is a summary of the series and also the Rebirth part. You get the Rebirth part in EoE.

[Zero Angel]

Rebirth is also titled Air.


little bit of trivia for everyone here...give me the reason why the episode is called Air.

[Sandoz]

It's named after the classical music piece "Air" that played during Asuka's fight with the MP Evas.

[Zero Angel]

cant get something by you guys at all...

finally watched the dub by the way...very disappointing.

[Batmex]

Questions:

1.After the Yui/Fuyutstuky flash back we see Eva 01 floating away in space and there some white thinggy in front of it what is it!?

2.Why didn't the ghostly Rei appeared before Asuka before she got impaled by the spears?

[Sandoz]

Originally posted by Batmex
1.After the Yui/Fuyutstuky flash back we see Eva 01 floating away in space and there some white thinggy in front of it what is it!?

It was a Rei-Ghost.


2.Why didn't the ghostly Rei appeared before Asuka before she got impaled by the spears?

I believe it was because Asuka didn't "die" like Misato, Ristuko, and everyone else did. Perhaps the life support system in her plugsuit kept her alive, or being in the Eva, damaged as it was, protected her. That's part of why I think the Asuka on the beach was the "real" one.

[Spike Mcdougal]

I hate to interupt with a stupid question but what's the song that plays in the trailer?

[Sheamon]

Its an orchestral remix of 'Mother is the First Other' (which also gets 2 more remixes in the movie itself). Its not on any of the series OSTs (well the original song is...), but I believe there is a concert album out there that has the song on it.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Originally posted by Sheamon
Its an orchestral remix of 'Mother is the First Other' (which also gets 2 more remixes in the movie itself). Its not on any of the series OSTs (well the original song is...), but I believe there is a concert album out there that has the song on it.

I knew it wouldnt be that easy.

[David Lucas]

..........I'll say it again, Holy Jesus.

Ok, I've sat through basically the entire Evangelion series up to episode 24 with a confused smile on my face. I had no understanding of what was going on, but at the same time, I loved watching the events unfold. Much like Xenogears.

However, it is now 6:11 am and I just finished watching "End of Evangelion." My brain is in the biggest stupor I've ever experienced, for the first time in my life I feel ignorant. I have literally and honestly, no clue whatsoever, what the #^*@ I just saw.

Since there's a MAJOR SPOILER in the Topic I guess I can comment on "The End Of The World"

Cowboy Bebop........long since held as my favorite anything of all time. Watanabe and Kanno made this a masterpiece. I never thought anything could top Episode 5: Ballad of Fallen Angels with Spike falling out the window while Green Bird played in the background.

Tonight, I dare say it was shattered. I don't know what the hell the guys that made this were on, but I'd be afraid to ever take it. Hell, I'm afraid to watch EoE again. I'm sitting here, marvelling at the end of the world, I feel scared in some way.

For literally 40-50 minutes I sat there, studying everything I saw trying to piece together the puzzle. Waiting for something that would explain it all in laymans terms for me. Then Ayaname's face splits in two, a bunch of Green Crosses fly everywhere, and Ikari Shinji starts choking Asuka.

Asuka, gives him a creepy as look and says "What a disgusting feeling."

..........people, friends. I know it will take a while, and I'm sure that there are summaries out there, but could someone please break down what the flying f*#k I just witnessed? When my friend asked me to explain to him what happened in DBZ from the Freezer Saga to Season 6 so he could catch up, I spent hours telling him everything, and loved it. I'm sure there's one of you that will feel the same.

This movie seemed like such a masterpiece, and I really hate myself that I can't understand any of it.

setsu mei shiite kudasai

UPDATE

<After a long freakin time, I just read every post in this topic, I dunno why but I never even saw all the different theories and explanations, sorry>

Now that I know what the hell happened at the end............I can honestly say I will never watch this again. Not because it was bad or upset me, for gods sake no! This movie was beautiful in every possible way, it's just now that I know what's happening to everyone when they burst into liquid, and how the series ends......I'm afraid of what my mind will register in my dreams when I sleep at night. I'm like terrified of this movie, yet in love with it.

I'm a weird kid aren't I?

<sigh> ..........what a disgusting feeling

THE END

[Zero Angel]

here ya go Gainex. another satisfied customer.

[OzzieAlThor]

The best example in the last 10 years of what this movie did was actually done by Squaresoft with Final Fanatsy VII©

You take a bit of mythology, some Dogma ¥Christian mythology¤, make people invest time and feelings into the characters, then totally play around with ending ¥a©k©a© Leave it very openended¤ and never take the time to explain it--- therefore causing those who enjoyed the story to make up their own conclusions and since everyone has a different thought process ¥hears and sees things differently¤ that means it can be endlessly debated©

Pssst©©© endlessly debated = continually boughten by new people who don't know any better

All hail cheap marketing ploys!

*Gets off of soapbox and quietly goes to watch EoE again*

[David Lucas]

I was terrified of this movie when I finished watching it, I'm watching it again and I'm a little upset. It seemed for a while, when Shinjii was talking to Kaoru and Ayanami that everything was going to be ok. He even said ,"Everyone will betray me, but I want to see those people. etc etc." When they asked him if he wanted to bring everyone back, he said it doesn't matter and then a buncha other stuff.

So why did the ending occur, that's all I want to know. I know there are a hundred ways to interpret it, but can someone give me one?

[OzzieAlThor]

Truth is, I cna't give you an answer better than what's on this forum already© Go back and read everyone else's posts© My ideas are just a hybrid of everyone elses©

[Ran-san]

Originally posted by David Lucas
I was terrified of this movie when I finished watching it, I'm watching it again and I'm a little upset. It seemed for a while, when Shinjii was talking to Kaoru and Ayanami that everything was going to be ok. He even said ,"Everyone will betray me, but I want to see those people. etc etc." When they asked him if he wanted to bring everyone back, he said it doesn't matter and then a buncha other stuff.

So why did the ending occur, that's all I want to know. I know there are a hundred ways to interpret it, but can someone give me one?

Ah...EoE claims another victim....I remember when I first saw this movie, it was after marathoning Eva and then the final movie. The TV series version of the end hurt me, as Shinji's Intsrumentality hits me in a bad chord in my psyche. EoE hit that chord with a MACK truck...no, a 747.....no, the Death Star....no, worse. I wound up in the basement of my place of employment (after my shift) talking to myself. And answering, as my mind struggled to comprehend this movie. I believe I still have the chat log from when I joined my IRC channel:

------------
***Ran-san has joined #Channel***

[X] Hey Ran, how are you doing?

[Ran-san] Do mean the me I see myself as, or the me that others see me as?

[X] . . .

[X] You watched End of Eva, didn't you?

[Ran-san] I think so....at least one of me did, I'm not sure which.....

X gets out the therapy couch for Ran-san....

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And so on. It took my friend awhile to talk me back to sanity. I have not rewatched this movie since, for fear of relapse.

However as to the meaning of it all? Why did it happen? The english name of the series says it all. Neon Genesis Evangelion...The Gospel of New Genesis.

[Sheamon]

The best example in the last 10 years of what this movie did was actually done by Squaresoft with Final Fanatsy VII©


Final Fantasy VII came out before End of Evangelion. :p EOE did nothing for FFVII, because it had already been released 6 months or so when EOE came out in the theaters.

[OzzieAlThor]

Ah, you miss my point©

My point is not do the 2 do anything for each other, It's the fact both use the same marketing ploy of the chinsey ending©

[Evil Dr. Reef]

On the topic of buggy DVDs, I got a e-mail from Manga today with details about a recall. Here's (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52487) a link to the thread about it I posted over on the DVD board. All I can say is, it's a damn good thing you did this,Manga.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Well I saw it last night and it was good. There were alot of parts that made me want to throw up but not in a "it sucked" way it was just gut wrenching. Mostly Asuka's death and alot of parts at the end but it was great.

And at the end I could hear in my mind Anno laughing at the people who asked for this

[Evil Dr. Reef]

And at the end I could hear in my mind Anno laughing at the people who asked for this
I was thinking about how I'd liked to have been in the first screening of End of Eva in Japan when it first started. That would have been absolutely priceless. You could probably almost see the "Anno, you wanker" thoughts bubbling out of them. :D

[Zero Angel]

people wanted an ending and he sure as hell gave them one. im just glad that when he did Kare Kano he was on good relations with his gf and not down in the gutter, breaking up, unstable.

[Galaxia]

Originally posted by Evil Dr. Reef
I was thinking about how I'd liked to have been in the first screening of End of Eva in Japan when it first started. That would have been absolutely priceless. You could probably almost see the "Anno, you wanker" thoughts bubbling out of them. :D

LOL :D

Is it just me, or does the end of the "Tumbling Down" song remind you of the "Na-na-na-na" part from The Beatles' "Hey Jude"?