Reason Behind "Savage Time" Delay

[Vin]

Hey guys,
Toon Zone spoke with a Cartoon Network and we found out a reason behind the delay of "The Savage Time." Apparently, they would rather it air near or on December 7 as a tribute episode, since it deals a lot of with WWII. I updated Jim's article with these details, which you can find on the news page.

[JohnStewart-GL]

cool. So will it be show with JL season2 then?

[Divv]

That's good news, I thought the delay might have been due to finishing touches being added to the episode. CNUK may show it next weekend yet.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

no if it does air in December that's probably when season 2 will start airing (knowing how networks like to change things) besides I don't season 2 has been confirmed to start in November. besides we are getting 6 straight weeks of new episodes. And I like how they are salutting the Allied Forces. I just wish they would start airing Secret Origins are individual episodes

[jm5150bc]

Although the "Tribute" angle is a good one, and I for one am glad they would think of that, WHY can they not just air it AGAIN in December and leave the originally scheduled September airing alone !!!! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... we certainly have seen the existing episodes many times over already...

Maybe there is some... discomfort ?... in airing an episode of this nature so close to 9/11, and that would be completely understandable. But DECEMBER ???!!!! :confused: :( :mad:

[czyznyck99]

Hmmm, the schedule shifts are starting to get really edgy now, at least this time, we have a reason. I like that idea, but it probably does push back Season 2 until December or even January.

Later.

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by jm5150bc
Although the "Tribute" angle is a good one, and I for one am glad they would think of that, WHY can they not just air it AGAIN in December and leave the originally scheduled September airing alone !!!! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... we certainly have seen the existing episodes many times over already...

Maybe there is some... discomfort ?... in airing an episode of this nature so close to 9/11, and that would be completely understandable. But DECEMBER ???!!!! :confused: :( :mad: Running a new episode and running a tribute episode are both effective draws, but there would probably be more incentive to watch if an episode was both at the same time, hence the delay.

-Terminatah

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by Vincent Benenati
Hey guys,
Toon Zone spoke with a Cartoon Network and we found out a reason behind the delay of "The Savage Time." Apparently, they would rather it air near or on December 7 as a tribute episode, since it deals a lot of with WWII. I updated Jim's article with these details, which you can find on the news page. But WWII didn't start on December 7.....

*Is pelted by sicks and rocks.*

[mbaker]

I agree with you jm5150bc. Cartoon Network should air it in September, and then air it again. Oh well, At least we have "Injustice For All" to look forward to, and that's been delayed long enough.

[Cyber E.]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
But WWII didn't start on December 7.....

I havn't checked up on my History since Summer Vacation but the attack on Pearl Harbor was on Dec. 7, 1941. Thats why they Delay. I don't like the delay either but this was a Wise Choice to have sortof a Memorial in honor of the fallen heros.

To bad the Justice League couldn't actually go back and prevent it. >_<

[Two-Face]

Well, I like the idea of a tribute, but I'd still rather see it earlier. Oh well.

[mbaker]

I'm sure "The Savage Time" will be more rewarding than the overrated mess that was "Pearl Harbor".

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by Cyber E.


I havn't checked up on my History since Summer Vacation but the attack on Pearl Harbor was on Dec. 7, 1941. Thats why they Delay. I don't like the delay either but this was a Wise Choice to have sortof a Memorial in honor of the fallen heros.

To bad the Justice League couldn't actually go back and prevent it. >_< *Gets his copy of "The Idiot's Guide to World War 2."*

September 1st, 1939: Nazis invade Poland. World War II begins.

[Cyber E.]

Thanks for the history lesson, Spaz......

>_<

Anywho I just ope they don't make any more delays.

[John6777]

I think its a good thing so we can see Injustice For All ,Metamorphisis,and Knight oF Shadows before it ,so it can be in order and finally be the Finale of Season 1.

[DerekPowers]

Originally posted by John6777
I think its a good thing so we can see Injustice For All ,Metamorphisis,and Knight oF Shadows before it ,so it can be in order and finally be the Finale of Season 1.

ahh, very true.

but i was looking at the savage time "movie" as sort of a reward for making us wait so long for new episodes, and now they take it away.

well to be honest i dont believe the wb for one second that the delay is for this "tribute". first of all, anything the wb does has to do w/ making more money, that is what theyre all about and everything else comes second. the "tribute to wwII" might have been a nice after thought, but i'd bet anything that the main reason was money.

i think the JL schedules are doomed as long as we have a money grubbing co like wb running cn. i dred the season 2 schedule, cause no doubt it will be just as lousy and season 1s. plus i think its completely ubsurd that an american cartoon is aired abroad before it is here (as w/ most of the unseen season 1 eps). the wb's handling of the schedule really takes away from my enjoyment of JL, and i think it sucks big fat monkey (fill in the blank)!!!!

[thanos28542]

For your info spaz,WWII may have started in Poland in 39 when the Germans invaded, but for us, Dec 7 1941 is when we were plunged into WWII! I for one also agree they coulda aired ''Savage time" Sept 7 as planned & then repeat it on Dec 7 but at least now we get the series to finish in the order it was meant to finish in. not counting "Injustice for all". :D

[Nightwing]

lol, oh boy. Actually I think this whole thing is wonky. From my memory, sure Congress declared war on 12/9, but at the time that was only with Japan. Then sometime after German declared war on America. Soooo.....speaking of wars, I'm confused, so please shoot me now. :p I dunno if you could consider that the.....um.....time.....well I guess you could. I dunno.

So although whoever said it might fear looking like a conspiracy nut, I'm with the poster who said WB/CN/whoever might have a hidden agenda. Oh well. I'll wait just the same.

[JChampion]

I'm REALLY upset about the delay....
The gap between new episodes is getting ridiculous especially since all these episodes are already in the can. Cartoon Network is really ticking me off with these frequent time changes and additions of more DragonBall Z (or other pathetic anime). Showing Batman/Superman at 2:00AM Eastern Time on Sunday Morning is RIDICULOUS. Taking B:TAS out of the 7:00PM block with JL and replacing it with MORE Powerpuff Girls killed a perfectly good hour of tv (I have no prob w/PPG...I'm just getting REAL tired of it). How about teaming Samurai Jack (Best thing on besides Batman, JL, Superman, et all) w/ JL or something like that. It's like they tease us and then leave us hanging out to dry. I know there are reasons (i.e-ratings) for these changes and holdbacks....BUT I'M SICK OF WAITING. I'm dying to see these episodes (Injustice, Knight, Savage, et all) and I think it's a real waste to hold them back longer then they already have.....

[Justice League 2000]

this is sad savage time is been delay :( I wish savage time would air in sept 7 2002 oh well.

[Allen's Nickname.]

Originally posted by thanos28542
For your info spaz,WWII may have started in Poland in 39 when the Germans invaded, but for us, Dec 7 1941 is when we were plunged into WWII! Yeah, I know,

But still, the French, the English and all of the other countries in the allies fought just as hard, suffered more deaths, and many lost their freedoms. So It seems kinda disrespectful to declare Dec. 7th "World War 2" day.

[Young Justice]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
Yeah, I know,

But still, the French, the English and all of the other countries in the allies fought just as hard, suffered more deaths, and many lost their freedoms. So It seems kinda disrespectful to declare Dec. 7th "World War 2" day.
and besides the JL fights the Nazis on the "Savage Time" episode, don't they? If it was the japanese, in other hand...

[D.Shaffer]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
But still, the French, the English and all of the other countries in the allies fought just as hard, suffered more deaths, and many lost their freedoms. So It seems kinda disrespectful to declare Dec. 7th "World War 2" day. Yeah, and they sat there when Japan invaded China too. I'd suspect most of Asia would laugh at your WWII date. Should they consider it a sign of disrespect that Europe considers '39 the start?

Dec 7th is the day the US was forced into a war many of it's citizens didnt want it to fight, and is usually considered the worse military disaster for the US, ever. Many Americans do tend to forget the war was happening before hand, but that in no way invalidates that for us, WWII did officially start on that day. It is not meant as a sign of disrepect for other countries, and shouldnt be taken that way.

[Maxie Zeus]

I give up. Nothing CN does with the JL schedule would surprise me anymore.

What'll they do next, postpone it until May 29 of next year so it can commemorate the 550th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople? :rolleyes:

Normally I'm not one to complain, but CN has just about scoured away my last reserves of patience.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus
I give up. Nothing CN does with the JL schedule would surprise me anymore.

What'll they do next, postpone it until May 29 of next year so it can commemorate the 550th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople? :rolleyes:

Normally I'm not one to complain, but CN has just about scoured away my last reserves of patience.

I know what you are saying it seems that CN has delayed episodes simply to delay them while overseas they are running there normal course. If CN wants to have these promotions JUST RERUN THE EPISODE!!. Dont make everyone in the US wait to see them.

[Harvey Dent]

Personally, I'd run all of the remaining 2 part episodes from the first season, then show "TST". Then, on Dec. 7, I'd have a special airing of "TST" in Letterbox Format.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
Yeah, I know,

But still, the French, the English and all of the other countries in the allies fought just as hard, suffered more deaths, and many lost their freedoms. So It seems kinda disrespectful to declare Dec. 7th "World War 2" day.

Ummm....it's never been called "World War II Day" - it's called Pearl Harbor Rememberence Day. Mainly because it was the first official attack upon the United States and not commercial ships that had been attacked while at sea in the Atlantic Ocean. It was never intended to be disrespectful to anyone of another nationality but at the same time it has become a Day of Infamy - one that we will never forget. It has always served as a tribute to the soldiers and civilians that died that day - in the first offical World War II battle that the US was involved in.

Because this day has always been important in American history CN made a decision to hold this episode, dealing with WW II, for this date - when they are likely to run programming like the War themed Toon Heads and etc. Seeing as how Cartoon Network (America) is broadcast in the United States it only makes sense that they would air it on a day that many Americans associate with the battle that plunged the US into war.

-Joe!

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by Spaz13_88
Yeah, I know,

But still, the French, the English and all of the other countries in the allies fought just as hard, suffered more deaths, and many lost their freedoms. So It seems kinda disrespectful to declare Dec. 7th "World War 2" day.

It's not disrespectful because it's never called "World War 2" day. It's always been the date Pearl Harbor was attacked. This is the first I've ever heard it called "World War 2" day..

And another way of looking at it is:

Cartoon Network US wants to air this in memory of Dec. 7th, which is when the US was officially attacked by a Axis power of World War 2.

-BB

[Maxie Zeus]

This is getting ridiculously off-topic, but I can't resist. :p

The dates of "World War II" are complicated because at its height it was the merger of two independent and unrelated wars. The Sino-Japanese War broke out in 1932 with the Japanese occupation of Manchuria and the subsequent occupation of the coastal Chinese cities and provinces. The German-Polish war began in 1939 with the Nazi invasion of Poland, which quickly sparked British and French intervention. Each of these wars was conducted separately from each other for two years; although Germany/Italy and Japan were formally linked by the Axis accords, no combatant in one conflict was a party to the other conflict.

This didn't change until December 1941. The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the US into the Sino-Japanese War, and the two wars might have still remained separate struggles, except that Great Britain declared war on Japan on December 8, and Germany declared war on the US on December 11. That brought Britain into the S-J War, and America into the European war. Even then the wars did not fully merge; the Soviets were the primary combatants in the European war, but they and Japan did not go to war until 1945, just before Hiroshima.

So, when did "World War II" begin? If you refer to the opening shots of what became a global conflict in 1941, then it started in 1932. If you refer to the point when the separate Pacific and European wars merged, then it started in December 1941. But usually it is held to begin in 1939; that is, the European war is held to be "World War II," and the Sino-Japanese war a separate struggle that was submerged as part of the other.

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but Birdboy is absolutely right. CN is saving TST for a US audience, and it makes sense to schedule it for the day that WWII became a shooting conflict for the US.