bad prints of warner bros. cartoons on Cartoon Network

[bucky]

Which Warner Bros. cartoons are the most faded and need remastering?

[Matthew Hunter]

Welcome Bucky! It's not necessarily fading that's the problem, it is the cartoons that have been time compressed. This may decrease the cartoon runtime, but it makes the voices sound about an octave too high and the colors fade. Take, for instance, the Rabbit Season/Duck Season trilogy...."Duck! Rabbit! Duck" looked okay the last time I saw it, but the other two, "Rabbit Fire" and "Rabbit Seasoning" look and sound terrible. Some fade worse than others, but the worst one is "Fast and Furry-Ous". I have a Warner Home Video copy and have compared it to the CN one, and the CN one is abysmal. "The Rabbit of Seville" has really faded through this process, CN needs a normal speed print.The Sylvester cartoon "Scaredy Cat" could also use help. There is a fully remastered (from the original negatives, yet) version available on the Columbia House collector videos, so I'm sure it is available through Warner Bros..Same with the other Porky/Sylvester horror toon, "Claws For Alarm"...it runs about 5 minutes as opposed to the usual 6-7...because of about 3 edits and time compression, and awful fading besides."Tortilla Flaps" aired recently, it looks pretty faded. None of these post-1948 cartoons need 'remastering', just better quality, normal speed copies when aired on Cartoon Network. Most of Warner Home Video's copies of the cartoons, and the clips used in the 1980's movies, look fine.
I think most of the "dubbed versions" of the older cartoons have fixed most of the fading on those, but some, like "Hiss and Make Up" are very poor (blue cat in a few scenes!) and the title card switcheroos are unforgiveably stupid. The Sniffles cartoons look a little dark too. "Gorilla My Dreams" needs to be aired as an original version, the dubbed version was not needed and ended up fading the cartoon.

-I'm sure you guys have others, those are just the most noticeable.
-Matthew

[Jon Cooke]

"Dough For the Do-Do" : The CN copy of this one is terrible, terrible, terrible. Not only is it sped up, it's also so dark. Compare it to the version released on the Taz's Jungle Jams videotape from Warner Home Video. The WHV version is beautiful, with bright colors. It's like a totally different cartoon.

"A Scent of the Matterhorn" : CN runs a poor print of this one too. A nice, colorful version was shown for awhile (the same version that used to run on ABC and Nickelodeon), but they soon went back to showing the bad copy for some reason.

"Drip-Along Daffy" : CN needs a copy that restores Porky's final "one-horse town" line!

And let's not forget the few titles that are only shown in their 1960s colorized (redrawn) form, when computer-colorized versions from the 1990s exist and look much better: "Wholly Smoke" (the computer colorized of this ran once on CN, on LNB&W of all places... but was never shown again), "Jeepers Creepers", "Puss N Booty", "Daffy Duckaroo", "Daffy's Southern Exposure", "Fish Tales", "Porky's Bear Facts", and "Porky's Pooch".


-Jon

[Tintin]

That's probaly not on CN, but i am a lot of cartoons copies were very worst prints:

Riff Raffy Daffy - The ABC print was probaly the very worst.

Fast and Furry-ous - One of my local channels have a very ugly print, also fade which CN and on Road Runner Show.

Rushing Roulette - The 60's show Road Runner Show were a very bad version of this cartoon. I liked more the ABC print

Bunny Hugged - The recent version are very dark compared to ABC version

French Rarebit - The Blue Ribbon logo and "Bugs Bunny in" are also dark

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Martin Juneau
Riff Raffy Daffy - The ABC print was probaly the very worst.

Actually, Martin, I believe that that copy of the cartoon is Warner Bros. only negative of the cartoon, it's badly in need of restoration. It even looks like that on the Guffaw and Order laserdisc.


Thad K

[lislebartman]

Don't forget the following Road Runner cartoons:

Hip Hip Hurry! - time-compressed
Hot-Rod & Reel! - time-compressed; picture looks very dark...
Beep Prepared - time-compressed
Guided Muscle - time-compressed
Zipping Along - time-compressed; picture comes off as a bit murky

[Jack]

To add to the list of post 1948 cartoons that need upgrading: "Cat's Paw" is pretty dark. Also, both "The Hasty Hare" and "Roman Legion-Hare" have really strange edits on CN. "Scaredy Cat," "Kit For Cat," and "The Foghorn Leghorn" have all had their original titles restored, CN should try and get these copies from Warner Bros.

As for the pre 1948 cartoons:

It would probably be best if all the pre 1948 cartoons just had new transfers from the negatives made. Doing that would fix most of the color problems, probably making the pre 1948 cartoons look as good as most of the post 1948 cartoons do. However, I doubt CN has the power to do such a thing.

"Gorilla My Dreams," "What Makes Daffy Duck?," "Rabbit Transit," "Along Flirtation Walk," and "Busy Bakers" are a few pre 1948 cartoons that seriously need to be remastered in some way because of poor colors. "A Wild Hare" should also be updated with the fully titled version which is known to exist.

It would also be nice if the dubbed versions had their proper end titles re-attached. The generic titles look fake, and it would be nice to have the end titles match the opening titles again.

Welcome to the board, Bucky.


Jack :D

[Tintin]

Originally posted by lislebartman
Don't forget the following Road Runner cartoons:

Hip Hip Hurry! - time-compressed
Hot-Rod & Reel! - time-compressed; picture looks very dark...
Beep Prepared - time-compressed
Guided Muscle - time-compressed
Zipping Along - time-compressed; picture comes off as a bit murky

I got this 5 cartoons on original speed version. The original speed version of "Hip-Hip-Hurry" and "Hot-Rod and Reel" were i have are very dark. :eek:

The time-compressed version on "Hot-Rod and Reel" aired on Quoi de neuf, Bugs? are the same copy of Stars of Space-Jam: Road Runner & Wile E. Coyote video and i liked this print


[i]Originally posted by Jack[i]

"Scaredy Cat," "Kit For Cat," and "The Foghorn Leghorn" have all had their original titles restored, CN should try and get these copies from Warner Bros.

I am already know but i repeat again. I have these 3 cartoons in restored version with original titles and credits with the profit of Quoi de neuf, Bugs?, but in debut, my target are not recorded the same WB cartoons.

[rodney]

Somebody should compile a list of all cartoons that air time-compressed on CN so we can make sure to have correct versions of them in our collections. Some people have a tough time telling a difference and for those like myself who only want the cartoons as originally shown in theaters, it would make things easier.

[John Miles]

Considering the fact that, on average, CN only shows 19 or so minuites of cartoon shorts for every half hour on their WB, MGM, and Popeye cartoon compilation shows, it is especially unnecessary that they still show time compressed versions of these cartoons. They may have trouble with WB about showing certain shorts, but they shouldn't have any trouble getting versions that are at least not time-compressed. And after WB gets done restoring all the prints, I would expect to see those versions on Cartoon Network, too.

[Pilmedium]

I do not know how bad the time-compressed versions are because I have not seen most of the originals. I think that the black and white Porky Pig cartoons that have not yet aired on Cartoon Network in B&W form need to on Late Night Black and White. That would be a step in the right direction.

[Patrick McCart]

We'll find out about the cartoons when they come to DVD.

WB has been doing a massive restoration project on the cartoons for a few years. For the lucky ones who got to see the Falling Hare restoration examples, all of the Technicolor cartoons could look THAT good.

Today's technology could vewy well bring back no-so-great cartoon elements (Like Riff Raff Daffy...although, Cinecolor looks wacky anyways) using photochemical AND digital technology.

The Bosko cartoons, even if there's nothing but crummy prints left, could be digitally restored and then put back to film. If anyone has gotten to see the digitally restored version of Citizen Kane, the same restoration can be applied to the cartoons (the company that did the restoration has said they'll be able to do restoration just as good for film soon)

Besides the image issues, sound can be fully restored with new software and put back to film (The Vitaphone cartoons can benifit from total hiss, pop, and crack removal, without quality loss) and even main titles can be put back.

Any main titles which are never recovered can be re-created possibly.

[Matthew Hunter]

Okay folks. Here's a list of odds and ends on CN that have stuff wrong with them. Some may be fixed by now, if they have been, please make note, and if you have any additions, please post them here:
Time compression and edits

"Ant Pasted" –time compressed
“A Scent Of the Matterhorn”-very bad print
"Ballot Box Bunny" time compressed, edited
“Beep Prepared” - time-compressed
“Big House Bunny”-great print but edited
"Cat Feud" -–time compressed
"Catty Cornered" –time compressed
"Claws For Alarm"–time compressed, edited
"Daffy's Inn Trouble"–time compressed, edited
"Don't Axe Me" –time compressed
"Dough For the Do-Do"-Time compressed
“Dripalong Daffy”-edited
"Duck Amuck" –time compressed
"The Egg-Cited Rooster" –time compressed
“Fast and Furry-Ous”-time compressed, bad print
"Feather Dusted"-edited
"Fool Coverage" –time compressed
Fowl Weather"-time compressed, edited
"From A to Z-z-z-z"-edited
"Gift Wrapped"-edited
"Gonzales' Tamales"-on once back in ’96 or’97,compressed
“Guided Muscle” - time-compressed
"Hare-Way to the Stars"-time compressed
"Hen House Henery" –time compressed
“Hip Hip Hurry!” - time-compressed
"Home Tweet Home" –time compressed
“Hot-Rod & Reel! - time-compressed; picture looks very dark...
"Rabbit Fire" –time compressed badly
"The Rabbit of Seville" –time compressed
“Twick or Tweet”-bad print
"Rabbit Seasoning" –time compressed badly
"Robin Hood Daffy"-time compressed, fixed once, then returned
"Scaredy Cat"-time compressed, edited
"Southern Fried Rabbit"-edited
"The Stupor Salesman" –time compressed
"Tabasco Road" –time compressed
"Tortilla Flaps"-time compressed
"Tweety's S.O.S." –time compressed
"Weasel Stop" –time compressed
"What's Up, Doc?" –time compressed badly
"Wild and Woolly Hare"-edited
“You Oughtta Be In Pictures”-b/w version time compressed
“Zipping Along” - picture murky

redrawn versions:
"Fish Tales"
"Porky's Pooch"
"Wholley Smoke"
"Puss N' Booty"
"Daffy's Southern Exposure"
"Jeepers Creepers"
"The Daffy Duckaroo"
"Porky's Bear Facts"

Available in remastered format:
“Kit For Cat”
“The Foghorn Leghorn”
“Scaredy Cat”

Opening titles missing:
“Rhapsody Rabbit”
“Sniffles and the Bookworm”
“Porky Pig’s Feat”(colorized version)

Incorrect end title cards:
All ‘dubbed’ versions pre-1948

“dubbed version” flawed:
"Gorilla My Dreams,"
"What Makes Daffy Duck?,"
"Rabbit Transit,"
"Along Flirtation Walk,"
"Busy Bakers"
“Hiss and Make Up”

Full titles/credits available but not shown:
“Spaced Out Bunny”
“Portrait of the Artist as a Young Bunny”
“Freeze Frame”

[hiphats]

One thing to remember about the time compressed cartoons (and I've explained this many times before)...these are TV prints transferred from UK video prints mastered in the PAL format (which runs up to 4% faster than our NTSC format), so you can't fault WB for that. But of course, I'd like to see digitally remastered, speed-corrected cartoons.

[J Lee]

Matthew:

You can also add "Mexicali Schmoes" to your time compressed list. The CN version I have is sped up -- but of course that was back when CN was still running the cartoon at all...

[snowpeck]

You can add "The Chocolate Chase" to the list of "Full titles/credits available but not shown" (On the rare occasion it airs, it airs with the old 1980s CBS opening) and their print of "Falling Hare" is very brown.



Greg

[John Miles]

Originally posted by hiphats
One thing to remember about the time compressed cartoons (and I've explained this many times before)...these are TV prints transferred from UK video prints mastered in the PAL format (which runs up to 4% faster than our NTSC format), so you can't fault WB for that.

Then couldn't they slow it down by 4% to make up for it, or, better yet, find other prints to make copies from?

[Matthew Hunter]

Jon and I worked some more on the list...here's an updated version, which includes more cartoons that have aired compressed, edited, redrawn, sans titles, or are in otherwise bad condition (since we have no idea where some of these various problems originated, I've just included them all.)
-Matthew

Time compression and edits

"Ant Pasted" –time compressed
“A Scent Of the Matterhorn”-very bad print
"Ballot Box Bunny" time compressed, edited
“Beep Prepared” - time-compressed
“Big House Bunny”-great print but edited
“Boyhood Daze”-edited
"Cat Feud" -–time compressed
"Catty Cornered" –time compressed
"Claws For Alarm"–time compressed, edited
"Daffy's Inn Trouble"–time compressed, edited
“Design For Leaving”-time compressed
"Don't Axe Me" –time compressed
"Dough For the Do-Do"-Time compressed
“Dripalong Daffy”-edited
"Duck Amuck" –time compressed
"The Egg-Cited Rooster" –time compressed
“Fast and Furry-Ous”-time compressed, bad print
"Feather Dusted"-edited
“Feather Bluster”-time compressed
"Fool Coverage" –time compressed
“For Scent-Imental reasons” –time compressed
Fowl Weather"-time compressed, edited
“Freudy Cat”-music track horrid
"From A to Z-z-z-z"-edited
"Gift Wrapped"-edited
"Gonzales' Tamales"-on once back in ’96 or’97,compressed
“Guided Muscle” - time-compressed
“Gray Hounded Hare”-time compressed
"Hare-Way to the Stars"-time compressed
“Hare Do”-time compressed
"Hen House Henery" –time compressed
“Hip Hip Hurry!” - time-compressed
"Home Tweet Home" –time compressed
“Hot-Rod & Reel! - time-compressed; picture looks very dark...
“I Was A Teenage Thumb”-edited
“Jumpin’ Jupiter”-time compressed
“Little Beau Pepe”-time compressed
"Mexicali Schmoes"-time compressed (demasiado rapido)
“Odor Of the Day”-time compressed
“Pests For Guests”-time compressed badly
“Porky’s Duck Hunt”(b/w version) time compressed
"Rabbit Fire" –time compressed badly
"The Rabbit of Seville" –time compressed
“Twick or Tweet”-bad print
"Rabbit Seasoning" –time compressed badly
“Rebel Rabbit”-edited
"Robin Hood Daffy"-time compressed, fixed once, then returned
“Roman Legion Hare”-edited
"Scaredy Cat"-time compressed, edited
"Southern Fried Rabbit"-edited
"The Stupor Salesman" –time compressed
"Tabasco Road" –time compressed
"Tortilla Flaps"-time compressed
"Tweety's S.O.S." –time compressed
“Two Scents Worth”-time compressed
"Weasel Stop" –time compressed
"What's Up, Doc?" –time compressed badly
"Wild and Woolly Hare"-edited
“Wideo Wabbit”-edited
“Yankee Doodle Bugs”-edited
“You Oughtta Be In Pictures”-b/w version time compressed
“Zipping Along” - picture murky

redrawn versions:
"Fish Tales"
"Porky's Pooch"
"Wholley Smoke"
"Puss N' Booty"
"Daffy's Southern Exposure"
"Jeepers Creepers"
"The Daffy Duckaroo"
"Porky's Bear Facts"

Available in remastered format: “Kit For Cat”
“The Foghorn Leghorn”
“Scaredy Cat”

Opening titles missing: “Rhapsody Rabbit”
“Sniffles and the Bookworm”
“Porky Pig’s Feat”(colorized version)

Incorrect end title cards:
All ‘dubbed’ versions pre-1948

“dubbed version” flawed:
"Gorilla My Dreams,"
"What Makes Daffy Duck?,"
"Rabbit Transit,"
"Along Flirtation Walk,"
"Busy Bakers"
“Hiss and Make Up”
“The Old Gray Hare”

Full titles/credits available but not shown:
“Spaced Out Bunny”
“Portrait of the Artist as a Young Bunny”
“Freeze Frame”
“Prince Violent”
“The Chocolate Chase”


Never shown before:
All Bosko cartoons except “Bosko the Talk-Ink Kid”
All Buddy cartoons except “Mr. and Mrs. Is the Name”
The B&W Merrie Melodies from late 1933-1935
A Cartoonist's Nightmare
Hollywood Capers
The Fire Alarm
The Phantom Ship
Westward Whoa
Gopher Goofy
Haunted Mouse
Saps in Chaps
Joe Glow, the Firefly
Hobby Horse-Laffs
Porky's Ant
Chili Weather
West of the Pesos
"Rodent to Stardom"
Dog Gone South
Which is Witch
Two Crows From Tacos
Crow's Feet
Chili Weather
West of the Pesos
"Rodent to Stardom"
"Go Away Stowaway"
" "Feather Finger
"Go Go Amigo"
"Daffy Rents
"See Ya Later, Gladiator
"Muchos Locos"
"Quacker Tracker"
Norman Normal
Injun Trouble

[Jack]

Originally posted by Matthew Hunter

Full titles/credits available but not shown:
“Spaced Out Bunny”
“Portrait of the Artist as a Young Bunny”
“Freeze Frame”
“Prince Violent”
“The Chocolate Chase”
You should add "A Wild Hare" and possibly "Bone Sweet Bone" to that list, though the fully titled copy of "Bone Sweet Bone" has a terrible splice in it. Also, "The Night Watchman" and "Daffy Duck and Egghead" have those redone Blue Ribbon cards, rather than the original reissue cards.

Also, does anyone else think "Cat's Paw" is really really dark looking?

Plus, I think a bunch of black and white cartoons have the wrong theme music, but that might not be easy for CN to fix.


Jack :D

[J Lee]

Incorrect end title cards:
All ‘dubbed’ versions pre-1948



Actually, a few of them are right, except for the annoying dubbed notice. Non post-Schlesinger BR cartoons that were actually made in late 1937-early 1938 ("The Woods are Full Coocoos," "My Little Buckaroo" and "The Penguin Parade") have their correct end title cards, because the dubbed version's card was likely taken from one of those shorts (I'm betting on No. 3). Likewise the 1947-48 Merrie Melodies and Looney Tunes also have the correct cards, because that's where the ones used for the dubbed versions came from.

Someone actually had to strain themselves to move the fader lever on the video editing console to stick the dubbed version end title on the 1943-45 Looney Tunes when the new prints were struck because of the Porky/Bugs drum end titles. Boy, that must have been a Herculean effort -- too bad they couldn't have bothered to have done the same thing for all the other cartoons (especailly "The Old Gray Hare.")

[Tintin]

I know, i know, you hated the cartoons airing in time-compressed on CN!!! But without where i have anti-american, i liked the cartoons in time-compressed but in french. (i not very liked WB cartoons in english) With the recent french voices, a maximum of WB cartoons dubbed in french where normal speed versions, but with the notice This Version 1998 or This Version 1997. This only cartoons played on normal speed were all aired on Quoi de neuf, Bugs? and were available on video Superior Duck, From Hare to Eternity, the VCD Cheese Chasers, Greedy for Tweety and Wideo Wabbit and the japanese laserdiscs series Bugs & Friends.

The other cartoons where time-compressed, in particularity where available on Stars of Space-Jam (except "Zoom and Bored" :eek: :) ) and Marvin the Martian: Space Tunes with the notice Dubbed Version 1997.

Which the other cartoons with not notice, that's also time-compressed.

Normal Speed Cartoons on French:

"Ant Pasted"
"Awful Orphan"
"Bad Ol' Putty Tat"
"Ballot Box Bunny"
"Beep Prepared"
"Big House Bunny"
"Big Top Bunny"
"Boyhood Daze "
"Bully For Bugs"
"Bunker Hill Bunny"
"Catty Cornered"
"Cheese Chasers"
"Chow Hound"
"Deduce, You Say"
"Design for Leaving"
"Dime to Retire"
"Dog Pounded"
"Don't Give Up the Sheep"
"Early to Bet"
"Feed the Kitty"
"Feline frame-up"
"From Hare to Heir"
"From a to Zzzz"
"Greedy for Tweety"
"High Diving Hare"
"Rabbit Fire"
"My Bunny Lies Over the Sea"
"The Stupor Salesman"
"Stork naked"
"Show Biz Bugs"
"I Gopher You"
"Tweety's Circus"
"Tweety's S.O.S." - normal speed but very dark
"A Street Cat Named Sylvester"
"Muzzle Tough"
"Wideo Wabbit"
"Star is Bored"
"Robot Rabbit"
"This is a Life?"
"Kit for Cat" - remastered version
"The Foghorn Leghorn" - remastered version
"Scaredy Cat" - remastered version
"The Hypo-Chondri-Cat"
"Rabbit Rampage"
"People Are Bunny"
"Foxy by Proxy"
"The Jet Cage"
"The Abominable Snow Rabbit"
"Suppressed Duck"
"The Million-Hare"
"The Iceman Ducketh"
"Bugs and Thugs"
"Daffy's Inn Trouble"
"Lighter Than Hare"
"Run, Run, Sweet Road Runner"
"Highway Runnery"
"The Unmentionables"
"Rabbit's Kin"
"The Wild Chase"
"Shiskabugs"
"Assault and Peppered"
"False Hare"
"Chili Weather"
"Napoleon Bunny-Part"
"Duck Dodgers and the Return of the 24 1/2th Century" - edited
"Hyde and Hare"
"Mad as a Mars Hare"
"Bonanza Bunny"
"The Wearing of the Grin"
"Dough for the Do-Do"
"Water, Water, Every Hare"
"Canned Feud"
"Lovelorn Leghorn"
"Of Rice and Hen"
"A Broken Leghorn"
"Strangled Eggs"
"A Fractured Leghorn"
"A Mouse Divided"
"Little Red Rodent Hood"
"Mouse Mazurka"
"Hare trimmed"
"Rabbit Seasoning"
"The Ducksters"
"Baton Bunny"
"Zoom and Bored"
"What's Opera, Doc?" - without notice "This Version..." :eek:

[Brandon Pierce]

Also, does anyone else think "Cat's Paw" is really really dark looking?
Nope. That's the same print ABC ran.

Also, I think CN needs a better print of the Tweety cartoon Red Riding Hoodwinked. The print looks bad to me. ABC's looks more colorful.

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Brandon Pierce
Also, I think CN needs a better print of the Tweety cartoon Red Riding Hoodwinked. The print looks bad to me. ABC's looks more colorful.

Yup

[Tintin]

I think other cartoons are time-compressed on CN:

"Deduce You Say"
"Dog Pounded"
"Wild Over You"
"Ain't She Tweet"
"Tweet, Tweet, Tweety"
"Tweety and the Beanstalk"
"Dripalong Daffy"
"Boston Quackie"
"Heir Conditioned"
"A Broken Leghorn"
"Touche and Go"
"Duck Dodgers"
"Water, Water, Every Hare"
"Heaven Scent"
"Really Scent"
"Broomstick Bunny"

[Jon Cooke]

"Beanstalk Bunny", "Tweet, Tweet, Tweety", "Boston Quackie", "Duck Dodgers", and "Water, Water Every Hare" are not time compressed on CN. I don't think "Really Scent" is either. I am not sure about "Touche and Go".


-Jon

[Brandon Pierce]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
"Beanstalk Bunny", "Tweet, Tweet, Tweety", "Boston Quackie", "Duck Dodgers", and "Water, Water Every Hare" are not time compressed on CN. I don't think "Really Scent" is either. I am not sure about "Touche and Go".


-Jon
Beanstalk Bunny was recently restored back to normal speed. The rest are time-compressed, but it isn't that noticeable.

Also, is Assult and Peppered time-compressed? Because for a brief moment at the beggining of the cartoon when the camera is panning across the scene I got dizzy for a split second, and the screen was all blurry. This usually only happens in a Time compressed cartoon.

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Matthew Hunter
"Hare Do”-time compressed

I believing where CN airing this cartoon in correct speed. That's one of greatest cartoons :)

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Martin Juneau


I believing where CN airing this cartoon in correct speed. That's one of greatest cartoons :)


Yeah, "Hare Do" is shown at its correct speed. I believe we were thinking of "Hare Brush".


-Jon

[Jack]

"Tweety and the beanstalk" is very dark, IMO, and blurry. Sylvester has a haze around him durring the entire cartoon. Also, "Easter yeggs" is rather dark, the trees in the backgrounds, as well as shadows looked almost black when I saw it today, Elmer's gun even blended in with a tree stump.



Jack :D

[Tintin]

The PD WB cartoons prints are crappy

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
"Dough For the Do-Do" : The CN copy of this one is terrible, terrible, terrible. Not only is it sped up, it's also so dark. Compare it to the version released on the Taz's Jungle Jams videotape from Warner Home Video. The WHV version is beautiful, with bright colors. It's like a totally different cartoon.


I may have said this to someone a few months ago, but the "Dough For The Do-Do" (Porky In Wackyland remake) that is shown on CN is a copy that is the same as the 1985 VHS Tape of Looney Tunes' 24K collection, Porky Pig's Screwball Comedies. The reason why the cartoon is so sped-up is because I believe WB only alloted 60 minutes for the tape, and with 7 cartoons already shown, and so little time left, Dough For The Do-Do had to be sped up for time compression.

The same can be said for the cartoons "You Oughta Be In Pictures" and "Porky's Duck Hunt", which are both 9 minutes long and on other volumes of the 24K collections. Both are sped up at least one whole musical step too high.

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by Matthew Hunter
Opening titles missing:
“Rhapsody Rabbit”
“Sniffles and the Bookworm”
“Porky Pig’s Feat”(colorized version)[/B]

How did Porky Pig's Feat end up with missing opening titles?

I do have the remastered colorized version at home with opening and closing titles correctly in there, but that was from a Nickelodeon broadcast of Looney Tunes in the early-mid 1990's. That sure boggles me.

[Tintin]

Don't forget also "Cracked Quack". That's also time-compressed on CN!

[Jack]

Originally posted by Crazy Tom


How did Porky Pig's Feat end up with missing opening titles?

I do have the remastered colorized version at home with opening and closing titles correctly in there, but that was from a Nickelodeon broadcast of Looney Tunes in the early-mid 1990's. That sure boggles me.
CN's version was originally used as part of the syndicated "Merrie Melodies" show from the early 90s. "Merrie Melodies" didn't show the opening titles to the cartoons. In fact, for a while "Porky Pig's Feat" had the end credits of "Merrie Melodies" attached to it, but someone at CN eventually edited it out.



Jack :D

[Pilmedium]

The print of "Wabbit Twouble" that aired today was worse than the dubbed version.

[Waggytoon]

The worst prints of classic WB toons on CN are those black-&-white/Computer-Colorized prints that have been edited for content. Not to mention those 8 shorts CN airs the lousy outdated 'redrawn' junky version of. By the way, those awful 'redrawns' of "Wholly Smoke" and "Jeepers Creepers" are edited as well.
And concerning my videotaping of the classic "Looney Tunes":I will never ever tape a classic "Looney Tune"- either black-&-white or Computer-Colorized- that has been disrespectfully edited in any way, shape, or form!! Same with 'redrawns'! I will never ever tape those!! Those particular prints shall never be part of my video library whatsoever!!!! No exceptions!!!!!!! :mad: :yakko:

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by Waggytoon
The worst prints of classic WB toons on CN are those black-&-white/Computer-Colorized prints that have been edited for content. Not to mention those 8 shorts CN airs the lousy outdated 'redrawn' junky version of. By the way, those awful 'redrawns' of "Wholly Smoke" and "Jeepers Creepers" are edited as well.
And concerning my videotaping of the classic "Looney Tunes":I will never ever tape a classic "Looney Tune"- either black-&-white or Computer-Colorized- that has been disrespectfully edited in any way, shape, or form!! Same with 'redrawns'! I will never ever tape those!! Those particular prints shall never be part of my video library whatsoever!!!! No exceptions!!!!!!! :mad: :yakko:

I wish I could choose not to record edited cartoons. To me, there are more important things. I think that "computer colorized" cartoons are worse butchery than editing and I am sickened by how frequently they air. Think about it: An edited version makes you miss a few seconds. A computer colorized version makes you see the entire cartoon not as originally released.
Any way, prints of cartoons that are both old redrawns and edited are the worst. Avoid them at all costs.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally posted by hiphats
One thing to remember about the time compressed cartoons (and I've explained this many times before)...these are TV prints transferred from UK video prints mastered in the PAL format (which runs up to 4% faster than our NTSC format), so you can't fault WB for that. But of course, I'd like to see digitally remastered, speed-corrected cartoons.

That's not necessarily true. Some of the cartoons are sped up much more than 4%. The cartoons that were time-compressed on the Golden Jubilee videotapes did not come from UK Pal format tapes. Likewise with the live action films Warners has also time-compressed, such as Treasure of the Sierra Madre . The majority of the movie is in it's correct projection speed, but the last reel or so is electronically sped up to fit it on a standard 2 hour videotape. Compare it with the Laserdisc version, which is not time-compressed since it has been formatted on three sides of two discs.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally posted by Pilmedium


I wish I could choose not to record edited cartoons. To me, there are more important things. I think that "computer colorized" cartoons are worse butchery than editing and I am sickened by how frequently they air. Think about it: An edited version makes you miss a few seconds. A computer colorized version makes you see the entire cartoon not as originally released.
Any way, prints of cartoons that are both old redrawns and edited are the worst. Avoid them at all costs.

With a computer colorized cartoon I can always turn down the color knob on my tv to desaturate the cartoon from color to black and white. However, if a cartoon has been edited or time-compressed there is nothing I can do to change it back to its original form.

Of course, I would still rather see the cartoon the way it was originally made, and I think the computer colored cartoons are an affront to the individuals who created the original black and white versions. It's even worse that Warner Home Video included some of the colorized cartoons on their laserdisc collections!! Talk about a sacrilege!

[billyjoelfan]

One Title i would like to mention is Rabbit Stew and Rabbits Too (1969)

the WHOLE CN print is RED i don't think that it was dubbed
or compresed (or edited) in any way

[Greg Method]

Originally posted by billyjoelfan
One Title i would like to mention is Rabbit Stew and Rabbits Too (1969)
the WHOLE CN print is RED i don't think that it was dubbed
or compresed (or edited) in any way

Yeah, a few of the very last 60's films have a sort of brownish or just plain odd tint to them (it's particularly noticeable during the W7 openings and closings). Hopefully the negatives are okay for the DVD's (c'mon, who wouldn't like a DVD set of the DF and W7 films?). :)

[mlr]

<<Likewise with the live action films Warners has also time-compressed, such as Treasure of the Sierra Madre . The majority of the movie is in it's correct projection speed, but the last reel or so is electronically sped up to fit it on a standard 2 hour videotape.>>

On newer video releases of this kind of material, time-compression shouldn't be an issue. At one time, video duplication companies made cassettes available only in precut lengths. (15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 60 minutes, 75 minutes, etc.) That's why some of the cartoons on the old GOLDEN JUBILEE cartoon comps are time-compressed, as well as live-action films mastered back then. (The MGM/UA cassette of A NIGHT AT THE OPERA was similiarly compressed so the 90+ minute film could fit neatly onto a 90 minute tape.) They were trying to avoid paying for a longer cassette.

These days, it's no problem to cut videocassettes to the exact length required. There's no reason for time-compression. (I'm not saying it still doesn't happen. Just that there's no REASON for it.) :)

Mike

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally posted by mlr
On newer video releases of this kind of material, time-compression shouldn't be an issue. At one time, video duplication companies made cassettes available only in precut lengths. (15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 60 minutes, 75 minutes, etc.) That's why some of the cartoons on the old GOLDEN JUBILEE cartoon comps are time-compressed, as well as live-action films mastered back then. (The MGM/UA cassette of A NIGHT AT THE OPERA was similiarly compressed so the 90+ minute film could fit neatly onto a 90 minute tape.) They were trying to avoid paying for a longer cassette.

These days, it's no problem to cut videocassettes to the exact length required. There's no reason for time-compression. (I'm not saying it still doesn't happen. Just that there's no REASON for it.) :)

Mike

Yes, you're right. I was referring to the older videocassette of Treasure of the Sierra Madre that came out back in the early eighties, around the same time as the Golden Jubilee videos.

The point I was trying to make was that I believe Cartoon Network is purposely time-compressing cartoons to fit in a required time slot, and not because they are using Pal formatted master tapes as their sources. You'll notice that the time-compressed cartoons usually appear on shows like The Chuck Jones Show, The Tex Avery Show or the Acme Hour (I don't have cable anymore, so I don't know if those shows are still on the air). The shows that Jerry Beck had a hand in (The Bob Clampett Show, Popeye) don't seem to have time-compressed cartoons on them (I could be wrong, but I never noticed any on them). If the cartoons were from Pal tape sources, the time-compression would show up on the shows Mr. Beck helped to produce, too.

[J Lee]

All of the time-compressed cartoons are the ones owned prior to 1995 by Warner Bros. -- the post-48 colors and the B&W Looney Tunes. That's why the Bob Clampett Show was able to avoid airing any time-compressed cartoons, because only his B&W Porkys would have been affected (unless you want to count "Dough for the Do-Do") and only two of those were ever sped up -- Avery's "Porky's Duck Hunt" and Freleng's "You Ought to Be In Pictures.

In contrast, while Turner never time-compressed any of the dubbed versions of the pre-48 color WB 'toons, they did time compress a few color Popeyes (either the openings or the entire cartoon) when new prints were made in 1995 with the restored Paramount logo. However, the rule of thumb there seemed to be the crappiest of the 1950s Popeyes were the ones they time compressed (presumably because the tape editor didn't want to sit through bad Popeye shorts). The title card edits on those also are pretty obvious, and when Bozo and the others were picking out color shorts for the first season of The Popeye Show, they only used those which had their original titles fully restored and with the correct opening and closing music. (Also one Popeye redrawn, "For Better or Worser," is REALLY time-compressed, almost to the point where Popeye is doing an Alvin and the Chipmunks impersonation)