Superman vs. He-Man

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

In an old issue of "DC Comics Presents" there's a story where Superman faces He-Man because Skeletor pits them against each other...or something like that...but I didn't know that He-Man was a DC Comics character...is He-Man still a DC Comics character? I'm confused!

Here's a link (http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/manicstreet/100/comics/dcpres.jpg) to see the comic.

[Mad Monkey 7]

Okay, He-Man is not a DC Character. As a part of the promotion campagin for the oringal "Masters Of The Universe", DC published mini-comics with the figures as well as doing a special Showcase crossover issue with Superman. He-Man is owned by the good folks at Mattel. As for the new comic, it is being published by Image.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I knew that he's owned by Mattell, but I was just wondering about the comics...thanks for the info...Image Comics huh? Interesting. Still...He-Man "exists" in the DC Universe...because that guest appearance he made in "DC Comics Presents" was no "Elseworlds" crossover story...it was actually in the DC Universe...the Pre-Crisis DC Universe, but it was still the DCU. So whatever comic book company publishes him now, he's still technically in the DC Universe, because he appeared in a DC Comic...and it wasn't an elseworlds, it was an actual DC Comic book series! So, although DC Comics will no longer have the right to feature He-Man and the Masters Of The Universe in there comics as guest stars...most likely neither will Image Comics be allowed to show Image characters as guest stars in there He-Man comics and vice versa, because He-Man made his comic book debut in the DC Universe...so he won't be shown in either as a guest star. Even though he's being published by Image comics, I'll always think that as a comic book character, not action figure, (Mattell) and not animated cartoon character, (Filmation) but as a COMIC book character...he'll always be a DC Comics character in my book...because he appeared in an actual story with Superman. It wasn't an imaginary story or an elseworlds, it was supposed to be a true story. (Fictionally speaking of course, I know it's not real) By the way, who's making the new He-Man show...is it Filmation again?

[Ruffian]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
By the way, who's making the new He-Man show...is it Filmation again?
Nope, Mike Young Productions. Lou Scheimer Productions (the producer of the original He-Man) placed a bid for the new series, but they were passed over and not even considered, no calls, no talks, no nothing. I'm happy with what Mike Young Productions have done with the new series, but it seemed rather rude of Mattel to completely ignore Lou Scheimer Productions.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

You like what they've done with it? You mean you've seen it? But I thought it hadn't premeired yet.

[Ruffian]

Nope, haven't seen a full episode and not going to until Cartoon Network airs it this friday. But... I've seen enough preview clips, from He-Man.org, Cartoon Network, and at the San Diego Comic-Con. I've even attended the He-Man panel/sneak peek at Comic-Con, and from my impression, the series is in good hands and it certainly feels like it will surpass the original series. A lot of hard-core He-Man fans at He-Man.org seem very positive about this new series too. Not surprising since one of Mattel's target audience is 18-25, the age range of fans of the original series. :)

[Joe Wagner]

The DC Presents story actual has Superman being transported to Eternia so it's not technically in the DC Universe - no more than the DC crossovers with Marvel are really in just one universe. I was able to pick the comic up on one of my trips to my local comic shop and consider it to be one of the coolest crossover's I ever had the chance to read.

As for the new series - the previews and promo's have made it look excellent but I guess we'll all find out for sure on Friday.

-Joe!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Joe Wagner
The DC Presents story actual has Superman being transported to Eternia so it's not technically in the DC Universe - no more than the DC crossovers with Marvel are really in just one universe. I was able to pick the comic up on one of my trips to my local comic shop and consider it to be one of the coolest crossover's I ever had the chance to read.

As for the new series - the previews and promo's have made it look excellent but I guess we'll all find out for sure on Friday.

-Joe!

Well then if that's the case, then technically Darkseid isn't from the DC Universe, at least not the Pre-Crisis Darkseid, because Apokolips is from a parrallel universe. I know Superman was transported to that universe...but there are a lot of universes within the "DC Multiverses," Marvel was never one of them...the crossovers that DC made with them were outside of normal DC Continuity. This was nothing like a Marvel/DC crossover. You'd never expect to see Spider-Man guest star in a Superman comic would you? Even if it was an inter-dimensional story. It wouldn't happen. All I'm saying is...Superman and He-Man know each other...or at least they did in Pre-Crisis continuity. Either way, He-Man is, however so vaguely, a part of the DC Multiverse. (I corrected myself. I said "Universe" in the last posts but should have said Multiverse)

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion


Well then if that's the case, then technically Darkseid isn't from the DC Universe, at least not the Pre-Crisis Darkseid, because Apokolips is from a parrallel universe. I know Superman was transported to that universe...but there are a lot of universes within the "DC Multiverses," Marvel was never one of them...the crossovers that DC made with them were outside of normal DC Continuity. This was nothing like a Marvel/DC crossover. You'd never expect to see Spider-Man guest star in a Superman comic would you? Even if it was an inter-dimensional story. It wouldn't happen. All I'm saying is...Superman and He-Man know each other...or at least they did in Pre-Crisis continuity. Either way, He-Man is, however so vaguely, a part of the DC Multiverse. (I corrected myself. I said "Universe" in the last posts but should have said Multiverse)

The appearance by He-Man was more of a cross promotion between DC and Mattel - in much the same way Spider-Man vs Superman and X-Men vs Teen Titans was. This would also be the equivalent of saying that GI Joe, Transformers, ThunderCats and Gargoyles are all based in the Marvel Multiverse - even though they all have their respective universes and histories.

-Joe!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Joe Wagner


The appearance by He-Man was more of a cross promotion between DC and Mattel - in much the same way Spider-Man vs Superman and X-Men vs Teen Titans was. This would also be the equivalent of saying that GI Joe, Transformers, ThunderCats and Gargoyles are all based in the Marvel Multiverse - even though they all have their respective universes and histories.

-Joe!

No, the difference was that the crossovers with DC and Marvel were not in continuity with the DC Universe or the Marvel Universe, but the "DC Comics Presents" was in continuity. So it's not "Much in the same was Spider-Man vs. Superman and X-Men vs. Teen Titans was." Because those were not in continuity.

[Joe Wagner]

Actually there were quite a few crossovers that have been considered to be in continuity - mainly the lastest DC vs Marvel books from a couple of years ago. Also - there have been a lot of crossovers between Image and DC over the years as well - should Superman vs Savage Dragon be considered in continuity, even though Dragon clearly resides in his own seperate universe?

My personal opinion is that He-Man is not in the same universe and his appearance in Showcase was because that was the title that DC choose to use for the team up - much the same way Spider-Man would team up with other heroes in Marvel Team-Up (and even they would occassionally use a character not in the Marvel Universe but one that they had the rights to publish).

My main point is that He-Man and Superman reside in entirely different universes and just because his book was published by DC at one point in time it doesn't make him part of the DC Multiverse - nor is his new book a part of the once shared Image Universe. The same holds true with GI Joe, Transformers and ThunderCats - just because they were once published by Marvel (and some made cameo appearances throughout other Marvel titles) they are not a part of the official Marvel Universe.

-Joe!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

For one thing, he didn't appear in "Showcase" as far as I know, but he did appear in "DC Comics Presents," and another thing, "Marvel Vs. DC" was NOT in continuity to DC or Marvel at all...just like the "Superman Adventures" and "Batman Adventures" comics...they are outside of regular continuity. Same thing with those DC/Marvel "Unlimited Access" comics. They're outside of continuity. Therefore, they are just similar to Elseworlds...not real at all. Same thing with the upcoming JLA/Avengers story. Outside of continuity. At least that's the impression I got.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
For one thing, he didn't appear in "Showcase" as far as I know, but he did appear in "DC Comics Presents," and another thing, "Marvel Vs. DC" was NOT in continuity to DC or Marvel at all...just like the "Superman Adventures" and "Batman Adventures" comics...they are outside of regular continuity. Same thing with those DC/Marvel "Unlimited Access" comics. They're outside of continuity. Therefore, they are just similar to Elseworlds...not real at all. Same thing with the upcoming JLA/Avengers story. Outside of continuity. At least that's the impression I got.

I'm sorry - you're right it was DC Comics Presents. However the DC vs Marvel stuff was actually in continuity and was refrenced through out many of the ongoing titles at the time - on both the DC and Marvel sides. Either way, just because He-Man made an appearance in DC Comics Presents does not make He-Man part of the DC Multiverse.

-Joe!

[Bird Boy]

Mm..I gotta go with Joe here, He-Man's definitely not part of continuity. What was pictured above (Superman vs. He-Man) is called a "one-shot"--it happened, and that's it. Much like the Batman & Spider-Man, and the Batman vs. Spawn comics from awhile back. (as well as the Batman. Vs Predator, Batman Vs. Alien, Batman Vs. Barney*, etc.). It's definitely not a part of the regular comics universe--I mean, you can believe what you want to believe, but you asked the question, and these are our answers..

Anyway, I'm 100% sure that it's a ONE-SHOT, and nothing more. It's one of those "fun" stories. He-Man doesn't exist in Batman's universe anymore than Darth Maul exists in Gotham City (hey, I think that was actually another one-shot that was talked about..)

*-I'm kidding, just for the wondering :p

-BB

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Joe Wagner


I'm sorry - you're right it was DC Comics Presents. However the DC vs Marvel stuff was actually in continuity and was refrenced through out many of the ongoing titles at the time - on both the DC and Marvel sides. Either way, just because He-Man made an appearance in DC Comics Presents does not make He-Man part of the DC Multiverse.

-Joe!

In what regular DC titles was the Marvel vs. DC thing mentioned...because I certainly don't remember it.


Originally posted by Bird Boy


Mm..I gotta go with Joe here, He-Man's definitely not part of continuity. What was pictured above (Superman vs. He-Man) is called a "one-shot"--it happened, and that's it. Much like the Batman & Spider-Man, and the Batman vs. Spawn comics from awhile back. (as well as the Batman. Vs Predator, Batman Vs. Alien, Batman Vs. Barney*, etc.). It's definitely not a part of the regular comics universe--I mean, you can believe what you want to believe, but you asked the question, and these are our answers..

Anyway, I'm 100% sure that it's a ONE-SHOT, and nothing more. It's one of those "fun" stories. He-Man doesn't exist in Batman's universe anymore than Darth Maul exists in Gotham City (hey, I think that was actually another one-shot that was talked about..)

*-I'm kidding, just for the wondering

-BB

That's not actually what Joe said, he actually said that when DC collided with the Marvel universe, it was actually in continuity...it wasn't an imaginary story. But I don't know...maybe he's right...it could be...

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion


In what regular DC titles was the Marvel vs. DC thing mentioned...because I certainly don't remember it.


Just going off the top of my head here I seem to remember some references in Cap and I think some of the other titles mentioned it as well. I'm sure there was more but I would have to go through my collection and try to find them again - but I do seem to recall them being there. Also at the end of the crossover there was the entire Amalgalm thing and then they seperated the universes again - in the process wiping their memories of the events. Even though it did this it is still considered part of continuity to both universes - especially because it created a new character for both universes, Access.

-Joe!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Joe Wagner


Just going off the top of my head here I seem to remember some references in Cap and I think some of the other titles mentioned it as well. I'm sure there was more but I would have to go through my collection and try to find them again - but I do seem to recall them being there. Also at the end of the crossover there was the entire Amalgalm thing and then they seperated the universes again - in the process wiping their memories of the events. Even though it did this it is still considered part of continuity to both universes - especially because it created a new character for both universes, Access.

-Joe!

Really? That's so ausome! Here I thought all this time it wasn't in continuity...I just figured it was an elseworlds type story...but since they have no memory of it anymore that explains why the never make mention of it anymore...perhaps this JLA/Avengers will do good to reunite these heroes together...I never thought of it as being something that really happened. Oh well...by the way...in their universe, did they consider each other as fictional characters, like Barry Allen from Earth-1 considered the Earth-2 Flash? Just curious. And yeah I remember that Amalagam thing...I thought it was stupid though. I'm glad it didn't last forever.