"Gotham Girls" Classic Mini-Series Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

PDStorrie

08-08-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Trent Lane
WOOHOO!!! I get the first review!!!

Paul, you are the man! I'm not gonna give anything away here, but this is the best paced animated Bat-book that has been done in some time. You've constantly got the story moving and throw in some little things along the way to perk your intrest in the stories to come. I can't wait to read part two of this, and I hope sales go through the roof for this title! A+++

Thanks, Trent.

Glad you enjoyed #1 and here's hoping #2 continues to knock yer socks off!

PDS

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
It's seems only appropriate to add a talkback thread for this issue. I'm anticipating a huge positive response for this issue. I've had the chance to read it and I just got one word: "WOW!". This is how the animated books should be. The art is great. The writing is superb. I love the coloring. Even the lettering has the old school Tim Harkins feel to it (I'm not a fan of Albie DeGuzman's current lettering in B:GA).

I can't wait to see what other people think. I'll go more indepth later.

James,

To your "WOW!" I can only say ---

THANKS!

PDS

Originally posted by Joker85
Congratulations Mr. Storrie, this is how you write an animated comic!! This is how GA should be. The pacing was excellent and the story even better! I actually found myself laughing out loud when reading the scenes between Batgirl and Catwoman and of course the guards scenes! :p Those were funny. It's great to see Montoya finally get a solo in the animated books, this is LONG overdue. Great job and I can't wait to get my hands on the next issue. :)

PS to Mr. Storrie: That line Batgirl said when Catwoman was talking about her Batman dreams "That was too much information" or something to that effect, had me ROTFLMAO!!! :D

J85,

First off, please feel free to call me Paul. Everyone does!

Second, glad that you enjoyed the funny bits. The "too much information" was one of my favorite lines.

Thanks for reading and here's hoping that you like issue 2 just as well!

PDS

Originally posted by DKstormyknight
Well, Paul, I promised to say if I liked Gotham Girls, and I have to tell you.......I didn't like it......

Dang. Sorry you didn't...

HEY! Wait a second!

I loved it!!! :cool:

Thanks!

PDS

Originally posted by Ms. Kitty
AAAAH!! I GOT NO MONEY MAN!!! :( :(

*Ms. Kitty smiles very sweetly at her mama, and mama stars laughing at her :( :( *

Hope some "scratch" comes your way soon, Ms. K.

PDS

Originally posted by DerekPowers
I Have no money either! i was in my comic store today and only could afford one book, so i got detective, since i really wanted to see the aftermath of fugitive.

im going to get it on monday then i'll be sure to post a review! i looked through it and it lookd interesting. cover's great too.

Look forward to your impressions once you've had a chance to pick it up, DP.

PDS

Originally posted by Beyond Batman
I have to say, for being a predominately "girl power" read or even an animated title for that matter, it was pretty exciting seeing the Gotham Girls going at it. It had a very familiar feel, similar to that of the GG Webisodes. The "cat-and-mouse" chase with Batgirl and Catwoman was fun to read.

The art seemed much more detailed to that of Gotham Adventures. IMO, it seems like GA takes shortcuts when it comes to adding detail, however, with this GG issue, detail was on every page. It looks good for a first issue, I'm looking forward to reading on!

Glad to hear that you enjoyed this issue, Beyond!

PDS

Bird Boy

08-08-2002, 08:02 PM

When I walked into my comic shop and saw 4-5 of #1 left, I couldn't help myself but to pick the whole pile up--of course, I only bought one, but still..I held a pile..anyway..

awww yeah! Man what a great comic--has all the makings of a TNBA episode and BAM--it was perfect.

The art? The art excels any art in any of the recent "Gotham Adventures" run...it's complete Bruce Timm style, and I absolutely love it. Great pace (storywise), excellent art..oh, it's great.

Excellent job Paul! It was 100% what I expected it to be :)

-BB

TimTwoFace

08-08-2002, 08:21 PM

Hey Paul! *HIGH FIVE* Great story! It was so much better than many of the recent animated comics; I loved it! It was good, clean, all-female fun. I can't wait for the next issue!

I'm gonna go send a review to DC Comics and write one up for the newsletter, now. Thanks for a great story, Mr. Storrie!

(chuckles at more-than-obvious pun)

-Tim

:)

PDStorrie

08-08-2002, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Bird Boy
When I walked into my comic shop and saw 4-5 of #1 left, I couldn't help myself but to pick the whole pile up--of course, I only bought one, but still..I held a pile..anyway..

awww yeah! Man what a great comic--has all the makings of a TNBA episode and BAM--it was perfect.

The art? The art excels any art in any of the recent "Gotham Adventures" run...it's complete Bruce Timm style, and I absolutely love it. Great pace (storywise), excellent art..oh, it's great.

Excellent job Paul! It was 100% what I expected it to be :)

-BB

BB,

You made me smile, thinking of you standing there with a pile of Gotham Girls in your hands!

Glad to hear that it lived up your expectations! Hope that we manage to keep doing so for 4 more issues.

PDS

Originally posted by TimTwoFace
Hey Paul! *HIGH FIVE* Great story! It was so much better than many of the recent animated comics; I loved it! It was good, clean, all-female fun. I can't wait for the next issue!

I'm gonna go send a review to DC Comics and write one up for the newsletter, now. Thanks for a great story, Mr. Storrie!

(chuckles at more-than-obvious pun)

-Tim

:)

Tim,

You're too kind! Look forward to reading your extended reviews.

PDS

Brainiac

08-09-2002, 02:37 AM

Wow! What a great comic! I was expecting a lot from this issue--and got even more than I expected! Great story, great dialogue, great art...great everything! Just an overall fun and engaging read. Can't wait 'til issue #2!

-Brainiac

PDStorrie

08-09-2002, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Brainiac
Wow! What a great comic! I was expecting a lot from this issue--and got even more than I expected! Great story, great dialogue, great art...great everything! Just an overall fun and engaging read. Can't wait 'til issue #2!

-Brainiac

Many thanks. Here's hoping we can continue to meet and beat expectations for #2 and beyond.

PDS

Green-Ghost

08-10-2002, 01:22 PM

Great issue!!!
Specially the last 2 pages :p
Poison Ivy looks brilliant and her colors are perfect.
Great work!!!
I have say something about the amazing text before ;)
Can´t wait for the next issue featuring Ivy :D

PDStorrie

08-10-2002, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Green-Ghost
Great issue!!!
Specially the last 2 pages :p
Poison Ivy looks brilliant and her colors are perfect.
Great work!!!
I have say something about the amazing text before ;)
Can´t wait for the next issue featuring Ivy :D

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it and that you're happy with the way our stellar art team is portraying Ivy.

I think you'll enjoy issue two a LOT.

PDS

Green-Ghost

08-10-2002, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by PDStorrie

I think you'll enjoy issue two a LOT.

PDS

Oh yeah!
I will,I will... :D

Livewire

08-10-2002, 07:15 PM

I haven’t bought a comic in a loonng time, so when I heard about this mini- series, I was extremely interested. The animated series Batgirl is one of my favorite characters, and after seeing four pages of issue #1, I anticipated a worthwhile buy. With much eagerness, I headed to my comic book store and picked this up.

The story seems to be fine so far—this is only the first issue, and I can’t really judge until I read the entire mini-series and it all comes together. What really impressed me was the art. It was some of the best I’ve seen on an animated book in a while. Jennifer Graves captured the Timm style very, very well and did an outstanding job. I’ve never heard of her before, but imo, she is much better than more well known artists, namely John Delaney and Shane Glines.

Speaking of Glines brings me to the cover. I guess that was the only thing I wasn’t too pleased with, considering I’m not a fan of most of Glines work.

All in all, a pretty good read with some amazing art. I’m curious to see what’s in store for us readers next. :)

Reed Richards

08-10-2002, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Livewire
I’ve never heard of her before, but imo, she is much better than more well known artists, namely John Delaney and Shane Glines.

all I can say is *OUCH* for poor john

Jennifer really did do a magnificent job on this issue and deserves as much praise as she can possibly get :)

Divv

08-10-2002, 08:47 PM

Just read the first issue. I loved it! It's so good to get a 'mature' animated title. The art is absolutely beautiful, and the story seems like it's gonna get pretty interesting. Thank you Paul.

Love ya man,

Divv

PDStorrie

08-10-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Divv
Just read the first issue. I loved it! It's so good to get a 'mature' animated title. The art is absolutely beautiful, and the story seems like it's gonna get pretty interesting. Thank you Paul.

Love ya man,

Divv

You're welcome, Divv, and thanks back atcha.

PDS

Green-Ghost

09-11-2002, 07:40 AM

I haven´t it yet :(
But I hope I get it this or next week.
I think it will be very cool :D

(Why don't you make a poll?)

DisneyBoy

09-11-2002, 10:02 AM

Sadly, the new guy at my comic shop has no idea I wanted this series put in my box, so I've missed the first issue, and aren't likely to get this issue either! I'll go call him now and try and straighten this out!

James Harvey

09-11-2002, 10:28 AM

GOTHAM GIRLS #2

http://comics.toonzone.net/bga/covers/t-gg2-art.jpg (http://comics.toonzone.net/bga/covers/gg2-art.jpg)

Written by Paul Storrie; art by Jennifer Graves and J. Bone; cover by Shane Glines

In the hot new series based on the WB Online webtoon, the female stars of the animated Gotham universe duke it out! Detective Renée Montoya, investigating the theft of a mysterious chemical compound, follows the deadly trail of Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn, while Ivy tries to convince Catwoman and Batgirl that they should cooperate with her (fat chance)!

Comments?

BLACKHEART

09-11-2002, 12:59 PM

Well it appears that I am the first one to read and respond about Gotham Girls today. First of all Gotham Girls #2 has a hard task of following a well-written Poison Ivy Gotham Adventures story. Shane did a nice job with the cover. I’m even more happy with the fact that Ivy maintains her green skin inside. I’m a big advocate of the green skinned Ivy.

This issue was nice. It’s hard to have something from the animated world that I can read from front to back without getting bored. Paul did his job there. I was never bored with this issue like a lot of Gotham Adventures issues.

The dialogue was true to the characters. Something again that Gotham Adventures lacks at times. It was interesting to see that you guys used the Ivy origin from the Animated Series. Then again, this is an animated book.

I like the over all look of this book once you open. The colors and art look fresh and eye appealing. (It’s a shame Ivy didn’t get her Gotham Adventures costume ;) )

Now for the story. I think it’s coming along nicely. We have a big plot with one main target that’s bringing the entire action home. Just like a jigsaw puzzle Gotham Girls is coming together. I like the fast paced action. Did anyone else think this book went really fast?

I give this book a solid recommendation. If you enjoy the girls of Gotham, Gotham Adventures, or Batman in any of it’s animated forms then you are going to want to pick up this issue.

I’ll expand more once people have read this issue.

PDStorrie

09-11-2002, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
Well it appears that I am the first one to read and respond about Gotham Girls today. First of all Gotham Girls #2 has a hard task of following a well-written Poison Ivy Gotham Adventures story. Shane did a nice job with the cover. I?m even more happy with the fact that Ivy maintains her green skin inside. I?m a big advocate of the green skinned Ivy.

This issue was nice. It?s hard to have something from the animated world that I can read from front to back without getting bored. Paul did his job there. I was never bored with this issue like a lot of Gotham Adventures issues.

The dialogue was true to the characters. Something again that Gotham Adventures lacks at times. It was interesting to see that you guys used the Ivy origin from the Animated Series. Then again, this is an animated book.

I like the over all look of this book once you open. The colors and art look fresh and eye appealing. (It?s a shame Ivy didn?t get her Gotham Adventures costume ;) )

Now for the story. I think it?s coming along nicely. We have a big plot with one main target that?s bringing the entire action home. Just like a jigsaw puzzle Gotham Girls is coming together. I like the fast paced action. Did anyone else think this book went really fast?

I give this book a solid recommendation. If you enjoy the girls of Gotham, Gotham Adventures, or Batman in any of it?s animated forms then you are going to want to pick up this issue.

I?ll expand more once people have read this issue.

Thanks for the kind words, Slip.

You'll find that all the origins in the Gotham Girls series are from the Animated Series. I figure that's where this Universe began so I try to be true to it. Likewise with the dialog. Glad that's working for you too.

As for the art, I have to say, yet again, that the team is doing a tremendous job. Jenn, J. and Trish (there's a reason I call her the Color Goddess) are making this one of the best looking books around.

PDS

Green-Ghost

09-11-2002, 02:03 PM

Did anybody know when the first 4 pages get post here at Toonzone?
I WANT TO SEE THEM ;)

I think I will give this comic *****,because the last issue was a ****1/2 for me.
And an issue with Poison Ivy in the spotlight only can get better ;) :D
(I give the other ones a ****1/2,because the issue with Ivy is something special for me as fan ;) )

I can't wait to get this comic!!!!

PDStorrie

09-11-2002, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Green-Ghost
Did anybody know when the first 4 pages get post here at Toonzone?
I WANT TO SEE THEM ;)

I think I will give this comic *****,because the last issue was a ****1/2 for me.
And an issue with Poison Ivy in the spotlight only can get better ;) :D
(I give the other ones a ****1/2,because the issue with Ivy is something special for me as fan ;) )

I can't wait to get this comic!!!!

Don't believe that Gotham Girls #2 was a "First Look" comic. Those are the ones you generally see preview pages of online. Sorry.

Hope you enjoy the book when you finally get a chance to see it!

PDS

Green-Ghost

09-11-2002, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by PDStorrie
Don't believe that Gotham Girls #2 was a "First Look" comic. Those are the ones you generally see preview pages of online. Sorry.

Hope you enjoy the book when you finally get a chance to see it!

PDS

I KNOW that I will enjoy it :p
The last one was great and this one is with Ivy ;) :D

No I mean here at Toonzone.

Toonzone normally scan the first 4 pages af ALL animated comic(Justice League,Gotham Adventures,Gotham Girls)when they are on sale.

Last time it was Brian Cruz who scan the pages of Batman:Gotham Adventures #53 in the news section.

PDStorrie

09-11-2002, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Green-Ghost
I KNOW that I will enjoy it :p
The last one was great and this one is with Ivy ;) :D

No I mean here at Toonzone.

Toonzone normally scan the first 4 pages af ALL animated comic(Justice League,Gotham Adventures,Gotham Girls)when they are on sale.

Last time it was Brian Cruz who scan the pages of Batman:Gotham Adventures #53 in the news section.

Didn't realize they did that here at Toonzone!

PDS

Joker85

09-11-2002, 04:05 PM

I've been anxiously awaiting this issue, but my stupid comic book store hasn't gotten it in yet. Hopefully they'll have it by the end of the week!

Ms. Kitty

09-11-2002, 08:33 PM

Do you guys know if there is going to be a trade paper back for this miniseries? I hope so... :( I'm cheap! and I want to get all issues at one time. :D

Livewire

09-11-2002, 11:17 PM

I haven't gotten it yet, but I probably will tomorrow. I'll come back later with my comments!

PDStorrie

09-11-2002, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Ms. Kitty
Do you guys know if there is going to be a trade paper back for this miniseries? I hope so... :( I'm cheap! and I want to get all issues at one time. :D

There is no official word on a trade at this point. It's one of the things I'm hoping for, but will probably depend on how sales are for the series itself.

PDS

Trent Lane

09-12-2002, 12:55 AM

Paul, again, great stuff! Finally after a few years of waiting, we've got a fantastic animated book, not just the story but the art as well. You guys (and gals) are doing a fantastic job- maybe they should offer you all a guest run on Gotham Adventures *hint hint DC* :p Keep it up, can't wait to see the next issue!!!

BLACKHEART

09-12-2002, 01:23 AM

I have to add that I thought this issue was better than the last. I hope the rest of these issues follow the trend.

PDStorrie

09-12-2002, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Trent Lane
Paul, again, great stuff! Finally after a few years of waiting, we've got a fantastic animated book, not just the story but the art as well. You guys (and gals) are doing a fantastic job- maybe they should offer you all a guest run on Gotham Adventures *hint hint DC* :p Keep it up, can't wait to see the next issue!!!

Thanks, Trent!

PDS

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
I have to add that I thought this issue was better than the last. I hope the rest of these issues follow the trend.

Excellent! I've been telling folks that each issue is better than the last, but it's nice to hear that verified by an independant observer. I think you'll continue to be pleased with the way things keep kicking up a notch as we go.

PDS

Ed Liu

09-12-2002, 10:56 AM

Howdy,

Read this on the way in to work today, and thought it was terrific! I like how it manages to balance between the "kid-friendly" world of BTAS or B:GA and the more mature "Catwoman" comic. I detect a strong noir influence, and fully expect far more twists, turns, double-crosses, triple-crosses, good-guys-who-aren't, bad-guys-who-aren't, and enough surprises to choke a horse.

I thought you also nailed all the characters in this issue to a tee, especially Harley (talk about your co-dependent people!). It was really easy to "hear" them in their BTAS voices. I don't think Batgirl has had enough to do, yet, but the series is young.

The art is terrific, too. There are more and more people putting out Bruce Timm-styled comics (well, probably "Alex Toth" styled if I wanted to be thorough :)), but Jennifer Graves & J. Bone manage to make their art distinctive and dynamic.

Very much looking forward to the rest of the issues!

-- Ed/Ace

PDStorrie

09-12-2002, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
Howdy,

Read this on the way in to work today, and thought it was terrific! I like how it manages to balance between the "kid-friendly" world of BTAS or B:GA and the more mature "Catwoman" comic. I detect a strong noir influence, and fully expect far more twists, turns, double-crosses, triple-crosses, good-guys-who-aren't, bad-guys-who-aren't, and enough surprises to choke a horse.

I thought you also nailed all the characters in this issue to a tee, especially Harley (talk about your co-dependent people!). It was really easy to "hear" them in their BTAS voices. I don't think Batgirl has had enough to do, yet, but the series is young.

The art is terrific, too. There are more and more people putting out Bruce Timm-styled comics (well, probably "Alex Toth" styled if I wanted to be thorough :)), but Jennifer Graves & J. Bone manage to make their art distinctive and dynamic.

Very much looking forward to the rest of the issues!

-- Ed/Ace

Thanks, Ed.

Truth to tell, I ran most of the Gotham Girls dialogue through my mind in the Animated Series voices. Helped to know whether I was hitting the right cadences and tone. Glad to hear that you're hearing the voices too (hmm -- that didn't sound quite right, did it).

PDS

James Harvey

09-12-2002, 05:36 PM

Here we are...my review of Gotham Girls #1 (and yup, Jason, my review for BGA #51 is coming as well! :)).

Where to start? Well - the beginning is the best place. I was originally not a big fan of the Gotham Girls web series, mainly becuase I had a poor internet connection and could only watch one every now and again without crashing the old computer. Although now that I've seen them all to date, I love 'im. So, when this comic was announced way back when, I was excited. A comic that I'm actually looking forward to. It's such a rarity these days. B:GA has been a bit subpar and my interest has been waning on that series. But this....had potential. My only previous exposure before this series was his great work on arguably the best issue of Batman Beyond and a "better than issue #1" tale in Justice League Adventures. I was becoming a fast fan. There was still a bit of skepticism in me, but I was liking what I saw.

Then, over a month ago, I picked up Gotham Girls #1 and was blown away. The first page had me hooked. From the (much missed) dialogue boxes to the classic Tim Harkins lettering to coloring from Patricia Mulvihill (last seen in Superman Adventures I believe). This is what I want to see in an animated comic, and I got it. This first issue was a great mix of the darkness of the animated series and the light hearted webtoon (also improving on bi-weekly basis).

Paul - you nailed these characters perfectly. Your approach on Catwoman is probably the best we've had on her in sometime. She was touched upon in 'Cat & The Claw' and 'Catwalk', but that's it. Here, we get some more behind her character, something her character really needed. She sorta slipped into this two dimensional theif who has a thing for Batman, which can get sorta boring after awhile. You provide us with not only some good motivation, but some good commentary on her as well.

These are the characters I want to see when I read B:GA. These are the characters I want to see when I watch the animated series. These are the character I want to read more about. In the first time in years, I am really looking forward for issue #2 (which I picked up today, natch!).

Back to Catwoman, I like how you gave her a sort of 'been there' apprach when she was stealing the vial. The 'Trust an absent-minded professor to remember his wedding anniversary by making it a security code' line was great. It showed that she's been done this before and was a pro. Maybe I'm reading into the line a bit much, but that's what I got out of it. And pages later with the switch between the vial and flashlight was great move!

And the Catwoman obsessed security guards were a nice touch - a nod to fans?

Also, you did one major thing right - you made Catwoman better than Batgirl. Batgirl is still a newbie compared to Catwoman, and to have Catwoman escape was the smart thing to do. If Batgirl caught her, I would've been a bit let down, but having her escape was the right thing to do. Catwoman is simply better than Batgirl in just about everyway, so it's only natural Catwoman gets away at the end of the day.

Now...the artwork. First off, I don't think it matters that Shane's cover isn't this grand opus. It gives us a striking Catwoman pose and it looks great. Also, the little heads on the logo look fine. I'm not gonna base an entire book just on those little heads. That's a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

As for the inside art - WOW! This is spectcular artwork right here which. The art eerily resembles Bruce Timm's work so closely. Jennifer Grave's portrayel of Batgirl is so dead on (anychance we'll see her at these boards? :)) that it's bit scary! I also like how the issue was packed with panels. We had some splash panels, but overall, this issue was just packed full of panels which helped push the story forward. The art was dead on here, I can't find one complaint.

A rare perfect comic. Now...bring on #2...

Joker85

09-12-2002, 09:21 PM

Another great issue! Every bit as good as the last. Why you aren't writing for Gotham Adventures I'll never know! I really like the interactions between all these characters, something was not too often explored on BTAS and TNBA. Montoya finally getting fleshed out is just another plus. I can't wait for the next issue! Keep up the good work! :)

PDStorrie

09-12-2002, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Joker85
Another great issue! Every bit as good as the last. Why you aren't writing for Gotham Adventures I'll never know! I really like the interactions between all these characters, something was not too often explored on BTAS and TNBA. Montoya finally getting fleshed out is just another plus. I can't wait for the next issue! Keep up the good work! :)

Thanks, Mr. J!

PDS

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Here we are...my review of Gotham Girls #1 (and yup, Jason, my review for BGA #51 is coming as well! :)).

Well, it's about time! ;)

Then, over a month ago, I picked up Gotham Girls #1 and was blown away. The first page had me hooked. From the (much missed) dialogue boxes to the classic Tim Harkins lettering to coloring from Patricia Mulvihill (last seen in Superman Adventures I believe). This is what I want to see in an animated comic, and I got it. This first issue was a great mix of the darkness of the animated series and the light hearted webtoon (also improving on bi-weekly basis).

That last was, perhaps, the toughest part to manage with the series. Finding the balance between slapstick antics and brooding darkness isn't an easy task.

Paul - you nailed these characters perfectly. Your approach on Catwoman is probably the best we've had on her in sometime. She was touched upon in 'Cat & The Claw' and 'Catwalk', but that's it. Here, we get some more behind her character, something her character really needed. She sorta slipped into this two dimensional theif who has a thing for Batman, which can get sorta boring after awhile. You provide us with not only some good motivation, but some good commentary on her as well.

Truthfully, in many cases the insights to these characters seemed to come as I was pounding the keyboard and the words were flowing out. I'm not much of one for the mystification of the writing process, so don't take that as "they wrote themselves." Rather, when the chance came to tackle them, the stuff that had been bubbling in my subconscious about them crystalized. The line about breaking and entering feeling like falling in love really pinned down Selina's character for me as I was writing her throughout the rest of the series.

These are the characters I want to see when I read B:GA. These are the characters I want to see when I watch the animated series. These are the character I want to read more about. In the first time in years, I am really looking forward for issue #2 (which I picked up today, natch!).

Thanks. I'm hoping that issue two will continue the blowing away process.

Back to Catwoman, I like how you gave her a sort of 'been there' apprach when she was stealing the vial. The 'Trust an absent-minded professor to remember his wedding anniversary by making it a security code' line was great. It showed that she's been done this before and was a pro. Maybe I'm reading into the line a bit much, but that's what I got out of it. And pages later with the switch between the vial and flashlight was great move!

I think you're getting out of it what I was trying to put in. Selina thinks a bit differently than you or I. Probably she did even before becoming a thief. It's what makes her such a good one. She's clever and she's cunning and she loves taking chances. Even the flashlight bit was a gamble. Would Batgirl fall for it (and the preceding line of patter)?

And the Catwoman obsessed security guards were a nice touch - a nod to fans?

To a certain extent. The guards, who were pretty popular to judge by the postings on various boards, owe a lot to editor Joan Hilty challenging me to make them fun and memorable. I hit on the Catwoman fanatic angle because of the potential for humor.

Also, you did one major thing right - you made Catwoman better than Batgirl. Batgirl is still a newbie compared to Catwoman, and to have Catwoman escape was the smart thing to do. If Batgirl caught her, I would've been a bit let down, but having her escape was the right thing to do. Catwoman is simply better than Batgirl in just about everyway, so it's only natural Catwoman gets away at the end of the day.

On that point, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see Catwoman as intrinsically better than Batgirl. In fact, when it comes to combat, Batgirl would whip Selina hands down. Batgirl has trained as a combatant. Catwoman hasn't. The difference here was that Catwoman was willing to take bigger risks. Batgirl, by nature of who she is and what she does, has to play things safer. After all, keeping people (and, to a lesser extend, property) safe is a lot of what she does.

Now...the artwork. First off, I don't think it matters that Shane's cover isn't this grand opus. It gives us a striking Catwoman pose and it looks great. Also, the little heads on the logo look fine. I'm not gonna base an entire book just on those little heads. That's a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

I really LIKE the little heads on the logo. In fact, I think Gotham Girls has one of the coolest logo designs I've seen in recent years!

As for the inside art - WOW! This is spectcular artwork right here which. The art eerily resembles Bruce Timm's work so closely. Jennifer Grave's portrayel of Batgirl is so dead on (anychance we'll see her at these boards? :)) that it's bit scary! I also like how the issue was packed with panels. We had some splash panels, but overall, this issue was just packed full of panels which helped push the story forward. The art was dead on here, I can't find one complaint.

I think that Jenn (and I) referenced Mad Love quite heavily in terms of tone and style. While her work is distinctive, it has a very Timm-ish flavor that I really enjoy. Plus, J. Bone does an excellent job of keeping and enchancing that with his inks.

Plus, going back to something you said earlier, you have GOT to love Trish Mulvihill on the colors! She has an real gift for bringing that added something with her hues. Notice how she uses purples so well to add a bit of shadowy, dead-of-night tone?

A rare perfect comic. Now...bring on #2...

I would never claim perfection, but I'm also not going to argue too much. Hope you like issue two just as much.

PDS

BLACKHEART

09-12-2002, 11:52 PM

Forget Gotham Adventures, he should write the Harley book

rhynokane

09-13-2002, 12:00 AM

I'll be getting Gotham Girls #2 tomorrow. I'm sure it will be good like the first issue.

Green-Ghost

09-13-2002, 08:16 AM

I have see the first 4 pages here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48077) at Toonzone.
Posted by Brian Cruz:
Issue #2 of the Gotham Girls mini-series went on sale Wednesday, September 11, 2002. Here is a preview:

GOTHAM GIRLS #2

Written by Paul Storrie; art by Jennifer Graves and J. Bone; cover by Shane Glines

In stores September 11. In the hot new series based on the WB Online webtoon, the female stars of the animated Gotham universe duke it out! Detective Renée Montoya, investigating the theft of a mysterious chemical compound, follows the deadly trail of Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn, while Ivy tries to convince Catwoman and Batgirl that they should cooperate with her (fat chance)!

32 pages, $2.25

Cover (http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/covers/gg2.jpg)
Page 1 (http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/gg2-page1.jpg) Page 2 (http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/gg2-page2.jpg) Page 3 (http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/gg2-page3.jpg) Page 4 (http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/gg2-page4.jpg)

This pages are great!!!
Ivy is looking very cool!
And the text is,like in #1,fantastic!!!
It is the first animatedbook where Poison Ivy's Origin from the series is retold(THANK YOU PAUL :D)

Can't wait to get the issue.

Bird Boy

09-13-2002, 09:32 AM

welp, I was able to grab my copy of it yesterday and...

It's another great one. I thought issue #1 was good, but this one was better. The art, once again, stunned me. I've NEVER seen TNBA art look this good, and I'm just in awe..

And, of course, the story was great as well, and the way you retold Ivy's story from the BTAS ep "Pretty Poison" was great. (anybody catch that Bruce's shadow was Batman's? I thought that was pretty cool..).

I'm looking forward to Issue #3..ahh..another month to wait..

-BB

unknown hero

09-13-2002, 12:51 PM

i missed gg1
hopefully that wont happen again

BLACKHEART

09-13-2002, 05:26 PM

I didn't catch that Bird Boy, I'll have to check that out

DisneyBoy

09-13-2002, 06:40 PM

Hopefully I won't get too many negative reactions by saying this, but from what I've seen of Jennifer Graves' art (thanks to those preview pages that BrianCruz so kindly posted), I can't say I'm all that pleased...or disappointed. While some are heralding her for having captured the essence of Timm's designs, I find her art is mildly off. It just seems too cartoony and lacks the crispness of Timm or for that matter, even Levin's artwork. For me, the Timm designs are a mix of angles and curves. Here there are just too many curves for my liking.

Then again, I may just be very picky.

In any case, I'm not at all trying to shed a negative light on the series - I greatly look forward to reading it and am very greatful that it came about. I also enjoyed the inclusion of Ivy's origins, shown in the preview pages! Nice touch! One question though: Since the flashback refers to events in B:TAS's "Pretty Poison", why didn't Graves use B:TAS designs, or at least give Ivy the same outfit she wore at the restaurant during that episode? Since TNBA is just a continuation of B:TAS, I don't know why artists keep illustrating the flashbacks in TNBA style (see the "Mad Love" TNBA episode as well).

James Harvey

09-13-2002, 06:57 PM

Since TNBA is just a continuation of B:TAS, I don't know why artists keep illustrating the flashbacks in TNBA style (see the "Mad Love" TNBA episode as well).

I really like the artwork myself, but everyone has their own opinion. And there's a pretty simple and obvious reason why the 'TNBA' style is used in flashback. The entire city of Gotham didn't just change overnight. They never changed. Batman just didn't become angular overnight. Penguin didn't mysteriously sprout fingers one day to replace his flippers. The Joker's red lips didn't just fall off one day. They were redesigned. That's it. It's not actually physical, but just a design change. Yes, some costume changes were acknowledged becuase they did happen (Batman, Catwman, Scarecrow, Riddler). But Killer Croc didn't just mutate into a new color and look. His design was just changed, but the character remains the same. See what I'm trying to say?

The flashbacks are presented in the TNBA style becuase they did happen, but now we see them with the new designs. Everyone didn't just sharpen up, get angular and broader shoulders just overnight. It never happened. Just the design change. There is nothing different from Batman in Heart of Ice than Batman in Holiday Knights except for the character model redesigns. It's the same person. Same body. Basically same everything, except the designers tweaked his look. (This is actually my only real complaint with Gotham Adventures #50 when Levins mistakingly presented the flashbacks in the TAS style, which is the wrong way to do it. Not too bad of an ish, though.)

And this may sound like I'm bashing you Disneyboy, but you're extremely (sometimes even ridiculous) picky about everything. Unless the artwork or writing is exactly perfect, then it's not good. It's a shame to have that frame of mind, becuase you're missing out on alot of great stuff. Jennifer Grave's artwork catches the style perfectly. It's just amazing. A fair mix of her style and Timm's. It all works. The resemblence to Mad Love is so uncanny, yet her own style sublty creeps out. I would love to see this artist on Gotham Adventues full time.

Oh, and Paul, review of Gotham Girls #2 coming this weekend! (and I'm still plan to do Gotham Adventures #51, Jason!)

DisneyBoy

09-13-2002, 08:09 PM

It's not actually physical, but just a design change. See what I'm trying to say?

I do understand what you mean, but to me if some of the design changes were explained, then they all should be. Re-design or no, the TNBA episodes continued where B:TAS left off, which means I consider both shows to be the same series. When all the characters in a series suddenly change their appearances, I find myself questioning the reasons why. Since B:TAS is a continuous storyline to me, I expect there to be real reasons why the changes occured, which is why I really enjoyed the "Lost Years" - type stories. In my opinion, the changes should be explained.

This is actually my only real complaint with Gotham Adventures #50 when Levins mistakingly presented the flashbacks in the TAS style, which is the wrong way to do it.

I disagree. I don't think it's wrong to have drawn Catwoman using the B:TAS design, because for me, that's the way she and Batman used to be. Similarly, I don't think you're wrong to feel that flashbacks should be shown in TNBA style. This really isn't a matter of right or wrong, but rather a difference in opinion.

And this may sound like I'm bashing you Disneyboy, but you're extremely (sometimes even ridiculous) picky about everything. Unless the artwork or writing is exactly perfect, then it's not good.

Yes...it does sound like you are bashing me. In those two sentences, you take your opinion of me to extremities in claiming that I am "picky about everything" and dismissive of work that isn't perfect, which only goes to show how little you really understand me. I never said the work was terrible, and I am actually looking forward to finally picking up these books. I already stated my support and appreciation concerning the series openly, so I'm rather confused as to why you would think otherwise. Mainly, though, I disappointed that you couldn't disagree with my opinion about the art without making an incorrect personal judgement.

It's a shame to have that frame of mind, becuase you're missing out on alot of great stuff.

I collect Batman: Gotham Adventures, Justice League Adventures and, as soon as the comic shop places it in my box, Gotham Girls. Trust me - I don't plan on missing out on anything.

P.S. Let's get back to people's comment on the issue. As you said, Jim, "everyone has their own opinion".

James Harvey

09-13-2002, 09:10 PM

There is really no need to explain the changes. Not at all. The designs were changed and that's it. It's just like when a new artist comes onto a comic book and brings his (or her) own style and tweaks things here and there. Fixes up the hair abit, or changes the clothes abit, but we know, at the end of the day, it's the exact same character. That's why I don't think we need an explaination for the character designs...becuase Timm already told us what it was. He started tweaking the designs on his free time and it ballooned. That's why I don't mind the flashbacks in the new style.

As for Catwoman's costume, I do know her costume was changed in between TAS and TNBA. I had no problem with that old costume being in the flashbacks in B:GA #50. I just think it should have been done in the TNBA style, becuase that's the way it should be done. Just like when an artist does a flashback to an arc drawn by a different artist.

And a final comment, it seems like you're basing your opinions on the four preview pages. If you are indeed, then they are unfair judgments. Read the whole issues and just look at Jennifer's amazing artwork. There's some amazing stuff in those books that are beyond the four preview issues. Panel #4 on Page 19 in the first issue is a great shot. Panel 1 on Page 16 in the second issue is a cool pic of Poison Ivy.

Anyways, I'm done with this whole conversation. MY next post in this thread will be my review (just for you, Paul!) of Gotham Girls #2.

DisneyBoy

09-13-2002, 09:56 PM

Don't worry Jenn Graves or Paul Storrie... I'll base my opinions of the issue on the issue!

So anyways...sorry things went a tad off track.... ;)

Mercurial206

09-14-2002, 05:04 AM

I understand and accept that practically every Batman animated character was given a new look. But, a few of these changes were quite drastic -- and have gone unexplained. I don't need overly detailed explanations -- but I do think they would make for interesting story telling. Specifically, Poison Ivy's newer green skin tone.

In the older Bat-animated-universe, Poison Ivy had a normal flesh tone. The normal coloring allowed Miss Ivy (Isley) to move about the every day world unnoticed when she was out of costume. This also allowed her to date Harvey Dent without ever creating suspicions about her true intentions (to kill him). But now, Poison Ivy is green -- and I cannot imagine her being able to go anywhere without sticking out like a sore (green) thumb. So a confusing situation is created when I see the flashback sequences of Ivy (Pam) in that restaurant, with Harvey and Bruce, getting away with murder. It should be apparent, to the guys, that Pamela is no ordinary woman -- she's green!

I know I know...not all dots will connect all of the time. I suppose this is why the flashback scenes are monochromatic -- leaving no discernable skin tone (flesh, green or otherwise). Maybe something happened off panel...she changed, like the Hulk.

I just want somebody...anybody to finally address the green skin. Is it cosmetic...is it biochemical...is it magical? Because, as it stands, it just abruptly happened and we had to blindly accept this change. In the animated universe -- and also the comic book universe.

I want to hear the words, from Ivy herself -- "I am now green because _________ (fill in the blank)."

Now that would be a great moment for all Poison Ivy fans.

PDStorrie

09-14-2002, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by DisneyBoy
Hopefully I won't get too many negative reactions by saying this, but from what I've seen of Jennifer Graves' art (thanks to those preview pages that BrianCruz so kindly posted), I can't say I'm all that pleased...or disappointed. While some are heralding her for having captured the essence of Timm's designs, I find her art is mildly off. It just seems too cartoony and lacks the crispness of Timm or for that matter, even Levin's artwork. For me, the Timm designs are a mix of angles and curves. Here there are just too many curves for my liking.

That's not a complaint you hear too often in a book starring women -- too many curves.

In any event, let me know what you think once you've had a chance to look at the whole book. Online previews are nice, but they don't tell the whole story.

In any case, I'm not at all trying to shed a negative light on the series - I greatly look forward to reading it and am very greatful that it came about. I also enjoyed the inclusion of Ivy's origins, shown in the preview pages! Nice touch! One question though: Since the flashback refers to events in B:TAS's "Pretty Poison", why didn't Graves use B:TAS designs, or at least give Ivy the same outfit she wore at the restaurant during that episode? Since TNBA is just a continuation of B:TAS, I don't know why artists keep illustrating the flashbacks in TNBA style (see the "Mad Love" TNBA episode as well).

Quite frankly, I expect it would be much too jarring to make the characters look two different ways in the same book. I'm not talking about costumes -- obviously the comics have addressed the Catwoman costume having changed. However, to have characters go from the thinner, sleeker TBNA style and then flashback to the thicker more fluid BTAS style in one book -- naw, you don't switch back and forth like that, any more than they would have in the Animated Series.

As for the outfit, yeah, I'd have to say you're being picky. It might come down to something as simple as Jenn not having access to the episode in question whenshe drew that panel. Or, the outfit might be the same one, but Trish might not have had access to the ep when she colored it.

PDS

Originally posted by Bird Boy
welp, I was able to grab my copy of it yesterday and...

It's another great one. I thought issue #1 was good, but this one was better. The art, once again, stunned me. I've NEVER seen TNBA art look this good, and I'm just in awe..

And, of course, the story was great as well, and the way you retold Ivy's story from the BTAS ep "Pretty Poison" was great. (anybody catch that Bruce's shadow was Batman's? I thought that was pretty cool..).

I'm looking forward to Issue #3..ahh..another month to wait..

-BB

BB,

Ah, my evil sceam is working. They have begun to CRAVE Gotham Girls! Mwahaahaahaa!!!

Ahem.

What I meant to say is -- Glad you're liking it.

PDS

Originally posted by DisneyBoy
I do understand what you mean, but to me if some of the design changes were explained, then they all should be. Re-design or no, the TNBA episodes continued where B:TAS left off, which means I consider both shows to be the same series. When all the characters in a series suddenly change their appearances, I find myself questioning the reasons why. Since B:TAS is a continuous storyline to me, I expect there to be real reasons why the changes occured, which is why I really enjoyed the "Lost Years" - type stories. In my opinion, the changes should be explained.

Except, as I think James is trying to explain, there ARE no changes. I mean, sure, there are people who changed costumes, like Catwoman, but others just look different because they aren't being drawn the same way. No different, really, than two different artists drawing the same characters. It's a different interpretation, not an actual physical change recognized in the universe where the character exists.

Now, as for Ivy...

Well, check a little further down the tread. I'll be answering that shortly.

PDS

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
(This is actually my only real complaint with Gotham Adventures #50 when Levins mistakingly presented the flashbacks in the TAS style, which is the wrong way to do it. Not too bad of an ish, though.)

Have to disagree here, James. The reason those flashbacks were done in, more or less, BTAS style is because they were dealing with costume changes, not design changes. Catwoman wore a different costume when she started out and she had blonde hair. Now she wears a darker one and has dark hair. That's not the same as becoming thinner and more angular.

Also, keep in mind that Tim was, in that instance, probably drawing what he was ASKED to draw. The costume changes were being used as a device to show the difference between the past and the 'present'. I find that much too often, artists get blamed for things that the writers probably put in the script. (On the other hand, writers often get blamed for stuff that the artist did, so it's something of a tradeoff).

PDS

Originally posted by Jim Harvey

As for Catwoman's costume, I do know her costume was changed in between TAS and TNBA. I had no problem with that old costume being in the flashbacks in B:GA #50. I just think it should have been done in the TNBA style, becuase that's the way it should be done. Just like when an artist does a flashback to an arc drawn by a different artist.

Ah, okay. You weren't complaining about the costume switch. I see more where you're going now. Still, my point about what was decided by whom still goes. In addition, the choice may have been made specifically to reflect a "simpler time" (or something like that) in which the adventures took place.

PDS

Originally posted by DisneyBoy
Don't worry Jenn Graves or Paul Storrie... I'll base my opinions of the issue on the issue!

So anyways...sorry things went a tad off track.... ;)

Thanks. These things happen.

PDS

Originally posted by Mercurial206
I understand and accept that practically every Batman animated character was given a new look. But, a few of these changes were quite drastic -- and have gone unexplained. I don't need overly detailed explanations -- but I do think they would make for interesting story telling. Specifically, Poison Ivy's newer green skin tone.

In the older Bat-animated-universe, Poison Ivy had a normal flesh tone. The normal coloring allowed Miss Ivy (Isley) to move about the every day world unnoticed when she was out of costume. This also allowed her to date Harvey Dent without ever creating suspicions about her true intentions (to kill him). But now, Poison Ivy is green -- and I cannot imagine her being able to go anywhere without sticking out like a sore (green) thumb. So a confusing situation is created when I see the flashback sequences of Ivy (Pam) in that restaurant, with Harvey and Bruce, getting away with murder. It should be apparent, to the guys, that Pamela is no ordinary woman -- she's green!

Except, of course, in the restaurant -- she's not! Nor is she green anywhere in the flashback scenes. (Even if she had been green back then, there's nothing to say she couldn't apply a little makeup, as she does now, on occasion.)

By the by, Poison Ivy isn't green in the Gotham Girls webisodes. Why? I'm not sure.

I know I know...not all dots will connect all of the time. I suppose this is why the flashback scenes are monochromatic -- leaving no discernable skin tone (flesh, green or otherwise). Maybe something happened off panel...she changed, like the Hulk.

Page 3, Panel 3 -- Ivy is clearly "normal".

Page 4, Panels 5&6: Although Trish used a kind of sepiatone effect, Bruce, Harvey and Ivy all clearly have regular flesh tones.

I just want somebody...anybody to finally address the green skin. Is it cosmetic...is it biochemical...is it magical? Because, as it stands, it just abruptly happened and we had to blindly accept this change. In the animated universe -- and also the comic book universe.

Done! Check out Gotham Girls #2, page 10, panel 4. There's an explanation for why Ivy looks different than she did before (and why her powers shifted too). Do I get a prize? :)

I want to hear the words, from Ivy herself -- "I am now green because _________ (fill in the blank)."

Sorry. That far I didn't go. Why? Because it didn't seem that essential. To me, there has been more than enough little stuff along the way to allow readers to come to the same conculsions I did about Poison Ivy. The same conclusions that led me to throw in the brief explanation that I did. I did, however, put it in print, so there is an explanation out there for those who wanted/needed it.

PDS

DisneyBoy

09-14-2002, 01:12 PM

Thanks to the incredible PDStorrie, I now understand what the heck Jim and I were talking about!

I think a good example of this whole B:TAS/TNBA design ordeal took place in the TNBA episode "Old Wounds", in which Dick Grayson wore his B:TAS Robin suit, but was clearly animated in the more angular TNBA style!!!

So now that I finally get it, I'll state my opinion (brace yourselves :rolleyes: ). I think I can accept the idea of using the angular TNBA characters...wearing their B:TAS outfits....in a flashback. That way the characters maintain their design, but can still be seen as having changed costumes over the years. Personally though, I might prefer seeing flashbacks completely done in the B:TAS style (in all it's thicker glory!), even in an issue where the present day characters are shown in TNBA - no matter how jarring the outcome. Since I'm a big fan of the series, I won't be at all confused by it. (HAHAHA!!! Too bad for the newbies!!! :p ) But then again, I'd like explanations for all the character "changes"...even though I now understand that the TNBA designs were supposed to be how the characters have always looked! :) Yay! I finally understand what we're talking about!!! I feel so smart... :rolleyes:

Again, thanks Paul!

I must also say a great big premature thanks for dealing with Ivy's "change" even in a small way! It makes me glad to be a fan with a strong attention to detail! Gotham Girls here I come!!!

Livewire

09-14-2002, 05:59 PM

Well, I’m back with my comments of issue #2…

The story is progressing nicely. We now know what that little vial is all about—that is, if Ivy is telling the truth. Is she? She gave a pretty convincing story, and it sounds plausible, but Ivy will say anything to get what she wants. We’ll just have to wait and see to find out if she was being sincere or not.

I like Poison Ivy’s green skin better than the white skin she had in TNBA. Green makes more sense than white, imo.

I won’t say much about the cover, because I already stated how I feel about Shane Glines art. However, the art on the inside is another story—it’s great! I really like Jennifer Graves work. She’s mimicking Bruce Timm’s style, yet she manages to put in a few touches of her own and it still looks good. The colorist, Patricia Mulvihill, is doing a fantastic job at bringing the pages to life. I’m really impressed with the look of the mini-series.

It really is nice to be able to buy a comic every month. I look forward to the next issue. :)

DKstormyknight

09-14-2002, 06:20 PM

Well PD, I loved Gotham Girls #2!!!! It got me into it from start to finish, and I loved the ending with Harley saying "It likes me! It really really likes me!" LOL! I can't wait for GG#3 with Harley Quinn!!!!!!!!!!! Oh joy :D :cool:

PDStorrie

09-14-2002, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by DisneyBoy
Thanks to the incredible PDStorrie, I now understand what the heck Jim and I were talking about!

Pleased to be of service!

I must also say a great big premature thanks for dealing with Ivy's "change" even in a small way! It makes me glad to be a fan with a strong attention to detail! Gotham Girls here I come!!!

Hope you like what you see.

PDS

Originally posted by Livewire
Well, I?m back with my comments of issue #2?

The story is progressing nicely. We now know what that little vial is all about?that is, if Ivy is telling the truth. Is she? She gave a pretty convincing story, and it sounds plausible, but Ivy will say anything to get what she wants. We?ll just have to wait and see to find out if she was being sincere or not.

And I'm certainly not telling!

I like Poison Ivy?s green skin better than the white skin she had in TNBA. Green makes more sense than white, imo.

Well, initially she was just a botanist with a penchant for making weird plants work as a criminal gimmick. Round about the time that BATGIRL ADVENTURES #1 came out (around the time TNBA started), we discovered that Ivy could do fun stuff like spit acid. Something had definitely changed and I think that the green skin color definitely reflects that she's more than just human.

I won?t say much about the cover, because I already stated how I feel about Shane Glines art. However, the art on the inside is another story?it?s great! I really like Jennifer Graves work. She?s mimicking Bruce Timm?s style, yet she manages to put in a few touches of her own and it still looks good. The colorist, Patricia Mulvihill, is doing a fantastic job at bringing the pages to life. I?m really impressed with the look of the mini-series./quote]

Can't argue with ya there.

[quote]It really is nice to be able to buy a comic every month. I look forward to the next issue. :)

What can I say to that but thanks!

PDS

Originally posted by DKstormyknight
Well PD, I loved Gotham Girls #2!!!! It got me into it from start to finish, and I loved the ending with Harley saying "It likes me! It really really likes me!" LOL! I can't wait for GG#3 with Harley Quinn!!!!!!!!!!! Oh joy :D :cool:

The Harley issue is going to be a popular one, I expect.

Another tip of the hat to editor Joan. We were talking about punching up the ending and she said something to the effect of, "You know what would work REALLY well there?"

The rest is Gotham Girls history!

PDS

James Harvey

09-15-2002, 02:33 AM

Well, I told Paul I'd do this review this weekend and dammit! I'm gonna do this review this weekend - even if it kills me. It's incredibly late, but if I don't do it now, I won't do it until the day after Gotham Girls #3 hit shelves! So, here we go:

This issue picks up right where we left off, and hops right back into action with some great three way interaction between Harley, Catwoman, and Ivy. We get the typical insane Harley reaction (cracking Catwoman with a mallet), but Ivy is surprisingly calm here, a nice little twist. I also like the back story we get on Poison Ivy here, done in the sleek TNBA style. (Is it me, or does Ivy look alot like Dr. Lake from the Batman Beyond episode "Meltdown" in Panel #3 on Page 3?) The classic resturant scene from Pretty Poison (episode available on DVD!) looks pretty sharp in the redesigned style. I like how Ivy tries to rationalize with Catwoman by comparing herself to the burglar. A smart move by the plant lady.

Harley's look on the first Panel on Page 5 is hilarious! Is that intentional? There's some great dialogue here. The "kindred spirits" reminds me abit of 'Anne of Green Gables' (you know I'm taking about, Livewire! :)).

It's great to see Ivy using some of her plant-themed traps and such. The homegrown pepper gas is a nice little trick from Poison Ivy. I don't think that has ever been used before, correct? I've always wondered if these villianesses (sp) would get along, and now I get a pretty good answer. Then again, this is an awkward situation, so who knows if they really would get along. I remember Catwoman had a run in with Harley and Ivy in The Batman Adventures #12 which didn't end good, as well!

Now, as we cut to Montoya. I must admit, this little sub-plot is enjoyable. We finally see Montoya doing some detective work. She is actyally a detective so it's good to see her do some work. Even though we all know where thi sis heading, it's great to see her working towards it instead of just fumbling into it by sheer luck or coincidence. "Ya Think" - heh - good line!

Then we're back in the action, which is moving fast and furious! I love this little sequence. We got two fights going on at once, almost chaos, and the scene is easy to read and understand. Usually a packed slugfest is hard to make out and understand, but it flows so nicely here. We jump from one sequence to another without giving up pace.

And this new story that Ivy presents...well...I can't help but be intruiged by this. Is she telling the truth, or is she just trying to get that vial. Dammit - what's in that vial! Ivy has laid herself bare twice this issue, so this has me perplexed, and intruiged. You're doing a good job, Paul, with this little relevation. You're making it hard to figure out if Ivy is on the level here. We've seen how good she can fake her way through something to get to her goals (again, see 'Pretty Poison') so I wouldn't be surprised if we see this again. You really have me wondering here, Paul. Kudos to that! This really has me anticipating the next issues, becuase I really wanna know if she's on the level!

The idea of the Ivy and Harley 'herding' Batgirl to Robinson Park was genius. Ivy is incredibly smart, so I thought a little trick like this would be within her power. Just a cool little trick thrown in which leads to Harley acquiring the vial.

And then there's the great art, which continues it's level of excellence presented in the first issue. I would love to see Jennifer Graves on these boards so I can congratulate her on her great work on the series. The artwork really accomidates and enhances the artwork. It meshes togethor perfectly.

I especially like Grave's depiction of Ivy. It's a bit of a mix between the B:TAS and TNBA style. We get some great curves on her body, but the same sharp design from the new look. Grave's depiction of Poison Ivy on the first Panel on Page 16 gives her this innocence that we've never seen for her. She looks almost vunerable here, and it's so bizarre. Graves also continues to rpesent us with killer depictions of Harley and Catwoman. Her Batgirl just continues to blow my mind. I love how she's drawn in this series. She looks just absolutely perfect.

My only complaint about this issue is that Tim Harkins is not lettering, but Phil Felix. I prefer Harkins over Felix becuase Harkins provides that classic lettering look that only he can provide. Hopefully he'll beback for issue #3.

I can't help but gush about this series. It's been a long time since I've had an animated comic to just gush over, and it's hard to resist. I'm loving this stuff here!

BLACKHEART

09-15-2002, 05:58 PM

Paul what do you mean Ivy can spit acid?

Green skin
Plants are green
Why shouldn't she be green? She's a plant

White skin
Elf boots
New Adventures=bad

Just look how good she appears in my avatar. That's the perfection of Ivy in the mainstream books.

PDStorrie

09-15-2002, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
Paul what do you mean Ivy can spit acid?

Green skin
Plants are green
Why shouldn't she be green? She's a plant

White skin
Elf boots
New Adventures=bad

Just look how good she appears in my avatar. That's the perfection of Ivy in the mainstream books.

What do I mean Ivy can spit acid? BATGIRL ADVENTURES #1, page 18, panel 5.

Now, I have to ask -- since when is Ivy a plant? She was a botanist (human) with a hyper-immune system. Unless I missed something somewhere (in the Animated Series), she's not a plant. Her exact nature in the current DCU, I'm not as up-to-date.

Also a bit confused on your comment about the white skin and elf boots in New Adventures. It was in the New Adventures that her skin tone switched to green.

I'm certainly not arguing against your preferring the version of Ivy that appear in the regular comics. However, when it comes to doing an Animated Series book, I work with the Animated Series version.

PDS

adoptedBatpuppy

09-15-2002, 09:05 PM

Don't feel bad I missed the second issue, instead of the first.

The Electric Knight

09-16-2002, 09:47 AM

Just picked this up today, enjoyed it quite alot. The story's really coming into full swing, which made it that bit more enjoyable than ish 1.

Art-wise, I think Graves is doing a great job. At times, the figures can look a little baloon-headed, but this is in the vein of the webisodes, so that's not a problem. I found in issue #1, the inking was a little "heavy" at times. This ish I didn't find it quite so bad. Also, there were a lot more outstanding panels in this one. Permit me to go through the ones I particularly loved...

*Everything on page 4 - looked spiffy.
*Harley on panel 7, page 13.
*Catwoman on panel 5, page 14 - outstanding.
*Page 16 panel 1...awesome page, but this panel is particularly great. Love the stuff that's being done bordering-wise. Even though it's only had 2 issues so far, the comic is already developing a distinct feel of its own.
*Page 17, panels 5 and 7. My favourites. They are small, but, especially in panel seven, Ivy looks brilliant.

Story-wise, the developments were great. I loved the throwback to "Pretty Poison", loved how Batgirl made Ivy snap in front of Harley... Can't wait for the next issue!!!

If only Gotham Adventures could have this level of quality. *sigh*

BLACKHEART

09-16-2002, 02:48 PM

Pamela Lillian Isley was a successful botanist whose only purpose was to complete her thesis about plant and animal hybridizing. Unfortunately she fell in love with the professor Jason Woordrue (later known as the Floronic Man) . He used her as a genie pig for his experiments and injected toxins in her body; her molecular structure was changed forever. She soon realized her touch was poison and that she had the capacity to give plants a mean of defense against mankind. She eventually became Poison Ivy and after having learnt how to regulate her toxins she went to Gotham City in search of credits to create her own rain forest where she could live alone with her plants. She encountered Batman and eventually fell in love with him since he was the only man able to resist her. When she finally managed to create her rain forest in the Caribbean islands, the latter was destroyed by a criminal experiment of a new weapon known as Prometheus. Therefore she understood that her fight against enemies of nature would never end. Then she found her true vocation as Poison Ivy the earth goddess and protector of nature.

So when this experiment changed her, it made her more of a plant and less human.

I'm gonig to have to look at Batgirl ADV #1. I don't really remember that. I'm sure it happened. I just don't remember it.

Samhaine

09-17-2002, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
Therefore she understood that her fight against enemies of nature would never end. Then she found her true vocation as Poison Ivy the earth goddess and protector of nature.

So when this experiment changed her, it made her more of a plant and less human.
I'm assming this is DCU Ivy. But my question: when did this happen? I'm curious, because I want to go seek out the explanation of Ivy's green-ness.

BLACKHEART

09-17-2002, 06:04 PM

When was she turned into Poison Ivy or when did she get the green skin? She got green skin after Catwoman bashed a vile over her head and the next time we saw her (No Man's Land) she had green skin because of the chemical reaction

Mercurial206

09-18-2002, 03:15 AM

Also a bit confused on your comment about the white skin and elf boots in New Adventures. It was in the New Adventures that her skin tone switched to green.

I think he is referring to how Poison Ivy was animated after the show moved from Fox to the WB. Her skin wasn't really green, it was more of a morbidly pale sage -- almost white. Her proportions were also altered a bit -- a larger head, and a pixie (elf like) body.

We didn't get to see a true "green" animated Poison Ivy until she appeared in paper form (Batgirl Adventures # 1).

When was she turned into Poison Ivy or when did she get the green skin? She got green skin after Catwoman bashed a vile over her head and the next time we saw her (No Man's Land) she had green skin because of the chemical reaction

Mmm, I have heard this before, but I am not sure if it is true. I just think it is one of the few speculations/conclusions out there because we were given no explanation.

The vial that smashed up against Ivy's face wasn't anything more than super fertilizer...so really all it could do was cause plants to grow really fast. In fact, that's what happened -- plants sprouted from her body. But I don't think it would have turned her green.

Although, this is an entirely plausible explanation. I guess I just want something bigger and better -- complex. Poison Ivy was retconned (dismissing the egyptian herbs origin) and we were given the Jason Woodrue phenomenon. It would be cool to actually witness a scene with Ivy slipping further into a plant like state. A third stage of evolution. Now ya know that would be cool.

I'm assming this is DCU Ivy. But my question: when did this happen? I'm curious, because I want to go seek out the explanation of Ivy's green-ness.

Poison Ivy "officially" turned green (non-animated/comics) at the beginning of the No Man's Land storyline (Fruit of the Earth). But, we were never told why...ya just opened up the comic book...and there she was...green(ish).

I have heard the rumor that the colorist for NML/Fruit of the Earth mistakenly used an animated color chart as reference for Poison Ivy. So, this possible mix up may have birthed the present day (green) Poison Ivy.

This is just another example of how Ivy has often been shortchanged in the history/quality control department. At least in the non-animated universe. There is always so much fuss over Selina/Catwoman...even though Poison Ivy is, to me, a much more interesting character.

Anyway, I am pleased with the handling of Ivy in Gotham Girls. That cover was great...but you can't go wrong with Shane Glines.

Livewire

09-21-2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Harley's look on the first Panel on Page 5 is hilarious! Is that intentional? There's some great dialogue here. The "kindred spirits" reminds me abit of 'Anne of Green Gables' (you know I'm taking about, Livewire! :)).

I sure do, Jim! That line reminds me of Anne, too. It appears redheads like using the term ‘kindred spirits.’ :p

And I also thought that the ‘H+J’ that was contained in the heart on a wall on pg. 16 was a nice touch. Hmm… I wonder who did that, and I wonder what ‘H’ and ‘J’ could possibly stand for… :D :p

Salvor

09-22-2002, 08:04 AM

Darn! I forgot to post my opinion on this issue. Well I hate to be too redundant but... I liked it a lot! First the art was amazing, so dynamic, with right on model -yet stylish- characters, impressive camera angles... the whole package! :) I liked the story too. Finally a story that actually makes you feel like you're watching a TNBA episode. I haven't come across such stories since Ty Templeton's run on BGA...

One tiny thing that bugs me though is the extremely fast paced action, which isn't a bad thing per se. But since the beginning of GG1, basically, all that Batgirl seems to do is run, either after Catwoman or from Ivy and Harley... to my mind, it's going a little too fast, and the action would benefit from a short break, like having Batgirl ponder the situation in the Batcave, or something like that. I realize Montoya is taking care of the pondering part, but it's not enough for me.

But hey, that's really minor criticism. I mean, we got enthralling plotlines, witty dialogue, good characterization... who's gonna complain? :)

Green-Ghost

10-22-2002, 04:30 PM

I have finally get it last Friday.
I will write more later.
But I can say that it is amazing ;)

James Harvey

10-30-2002, 08:50 AM

The new issue of Gotham Girls has finally arrived! Check the synopsis below and let's get the comments flowin'...

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GOTHAM GIRLS #3 (of 5)
Written by Paul Storrie; art by Jennifer Graves and J. Bone; cover by Shane Glines.

Harley Quinn gets control of a chemical formula everyone wants, which means that nothing goes as planned — not even for her best pal Poison Ivy. And Detective Reneé Montoya is hot on everyone's trail...
32 pages, $2.25

Click on the thumbnails below to see the first four pages of this issue:

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Comments?

[Cover & pages inserted by Brian Cruz]

Batman's Biggest Fan

10-30-2002, 07:00 PM

Geez it seems like forever since last issue. I haven't picked this one up either.

Brian Cruz

10-30-2002, 08:56 PM

Check out the pages I just added to the above post! :)

Joker85

10-30-2002, 10:25 PM

The art and the story in this series has been superb! This one was no different. I loved the fight scenes where all the Gotham Girls were just knocking each other out! That was some great stuff, had me LMAO! :p I also enjoyed Harley's defense of herself...she really is smart, a fact I think we forget, and the writers forget sometimes. I'm glad you didn't Mr. Storrie. I am also enjoying Montoya's parts in these issues. It's nice to see her fleshed out more. I can't wait for next month's! :)

The Electric Knight

10-31-2002, 05:46 AM

This was an enjoyable romp, but not up to the quality of the last two issues I don't think. I realise the chasing, and fighting over the vile is a big part of the story and all, but seeing it go on for yet another 16 or so pages was starting to become a little painful. We had plenty of wonderful chasing in the first two, I was hoping we'd get something different here, continuing the story some other way.

Pages 20 and 21 were great especially. Nice insight into Harl. I also liked seeing Harley defend her intelligence, good to see. She may not be the brightest of all, but she is definately a quick-witted and smart cookie - she just gets a little carried away with having fun, is all. :)

Overall the art was nice once again, some great panels standing out above the rest. Didn't quite top #2's art though.

I'm hoping the next issue will pick the story up again...being Montoya's issue, I'm assuming it will, and we'll see the so-far-suppressed, investigation side of the story come to light.

TEK

PS. Probably my favourite cover so far this month!!!

Mister Intensity

10-31-2002, 08:07 AM

I am loving this story. When and if Ty Templeton decides to leave the next incarnation of The Batman Adventures then Paul Storrie should take over. His understanding of the characters is perfect.

Mister Intensity

PDStorrie

10-31-2002, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
Geez it seems like forever since last issue. I haven't picked this one up either.

Sorry, this one ran a little late. Everybody's working overtime to bring things back up to speed.

PDS

Originally posted by Joker85
The art and the story in this series has been superb! This one was no different. I loved the fight scenes where all the Gotham Girls were just knocking each other out! That was some great stuff, had me LMAO! :p I also enjoyed Harley's defense of herself...she really is smart, a fact I think we forget, and the writers forget sometimes. I'm glad you didn't Mr. Storrie. I am also enjoying Montoya's parts in these issues. It's nice to see her fleshed out more. I can't wait for next month's! :)

Thanks, Mr. J!

I think Harley's a lot smarter than anybody gives her credit for, but not quite as smart as SHE thinks she is.

I think issue four is going to be the standout of the series. Renee was a lot of fun to write and explore.

PDS

Originally posted by The Electric Knight
This was an enjoyable romp, but not up to the quality of the last two issues I don't think. I realise the chasing, and fighting over the vile is a big part of the story and all, but seeing it go on for yet another 16 or so pages was starting to become a little painful. We had plenty of wonderful chasing in the first two, I was hoping we'd get something different here, continuing the story some other way.

Sorry, EK. I've been describing this one as a caper/chase from the get-go and that motif is going to be carrying through. Hopefully we'll be giving you enough character bits and breaks in the chase to keep you reading. But, until Batgirl has that vial safely away from the other side and Montoya's made her collar, they're going to be hot on the heels of Harley, Ivy and Selina.

Pages 20 and 21 were great especially. Nice insight into Harl. I also liked seeing Harley defend her intelligence, good to see. She may not be the brightest of all, but she is definately a quick-witted and smart cookie - she just gets a little carried away with having fun, is all. :)

Well said! :)

Overall the art was nice once again, some great panels standing out above the rest. Didn't quite top #2's art though.

I thought Brad Rader's layouts added to the mix quite well myself.

I'm hoping the next issue will pick the story up again...being Montoya's issue, I'm assuming it will, and we'll see the so-far-suppressed, investigation side of the story come to light.

I loved writing issue four, so I'm hoping everyone will enjoy reading it just as much.

PDS

Originally posted by Mister Intensity
I am loving this story. When and if Ty Templeton decides to leave the next incarnation of The Batman Adventures then Paul Storrie should take over. His understanding of the characters is perfect.

Thank you, sir. High praise indeed.

PDS

Ed Liu

10-31-2002, 11:31 AM

Howdy,

Just picked this up last night. Enjoyable, good clean fun, although something seems missing when compared to #2. Not quite sure what it is -- about the only thing I can really pinpoint as bothering me were the multiple "quotes" from Mad Love (specifically, the panel quotes). I can understand that the purpose of the issue is to explore the background of the characters while engaging in the foreground capers, but it seems to me that the extra stuff that was added for Harley stands just fine on its own, with the stuff from "Mad Love" slowing down the pacing.

Of course, if you haven't read or seen "Mad Love," then the references are totally necessary to get the whole picture. Since the original comic is a good 5-6 years old already and the episode is 3-4, I can imagine that the Harley background stuff was imposed from higher-up to ensure the book is accessible to anybody picking it up casually.

The artwork was terrific, as in the last issue, and the chases and constant reversals of fortune throughout the issue were good for a lot of grinning. Pretty neat trick to make the whole thing as tangled as it is without making it confusing.

It occurred to me last night that this issue boils down to a madcap, hyperactive, insane romp that exists almost purely for its own sake -- rather like Harley herself. Then I thought about issue 2, which starts from simple, logical premises which, by themselves, are not completely out-there (Poison Ivy cares about plants, wants companionship more than she lets on, and feels she was done wrong), but which ultimately lead to completely outrageous and unsupportable conclusions (the best way to deal with all of the above is to break out of prison, steal back her research, and kill the wrong-doer) -- rather like Ivy herself. If I remember the first issue well enough (it's been packed away, unfortunately), it was largely wordless, silent, straightforward, and focused almost purely on the goal (the magic vial) -- rather like Catwoman herself.

So, if you're willing to let us look behind the curtain, are you structuring these issues so the stories "read" like their main protagonists? Or should I lay off the prescription medication?

In any event, I'm still very solidly hooked. Can't wait for the next ish, since I think Montoya was one of the best additions to the Batman universe the Animated Age ever did, and that she was criminally underused in the actual show. It'll be nice to give her some panel time of her own.

-- Ed/Ace

PDStorrie

10-31-2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
Howdy,

Just picked this up last night. Enjoyable, good clean fun, although something seems missing when compared to #2. Not quite sure what it is -- about the only thing I can really pinpoint as bothering me were the multiple "quotes" from Mad Love (specifically, the panel quotes). I can understand that the purpose of the issue is to explore the background of the characters while engaging in the foreground capers, but it seems to me that the extra stuff that was added for Harley stands just fine on its own, with the stuff from "Mad Love" slowing down the pacing.

Of course, if you haven't read or seen "Mad Love," then the references are totally necessary to get the whole picture. Since the original comic is a good 5-6 years old already and the episode is 3-4, I can imagine that the Harley background stuff was imposed from higher-up to ensure the book is accessible to anybody picking it up casually.

Glad you enjoyed it overall. No impossing of anything from the higher-ups, though. The Mad Love stuff is there because I wanted it to be, mostly for the reasons you cite, though.

The artwork was terrific, as in the last issue, and the chases and constant reversals of fortune throughout the issue were good for a lot of grinning. Pretty neat trick to make the whole thing as tangled as it is without making it confusing.

I have to agree. There's a LOT going on in these pages and the art team is doing a bang up job of getting all in and making it look good.

So, if you're willing to let us look behind the curtain, are you structuring these issues so the stories "read" like their main protagonists? Or should I lay off the prescription medication?

You hit that nail square on the head, so keep taking your meds. Each issue is supposed to have the feel and/or sound of the lady in the center ring.

That's why NEXT issue has Montoya doing first person narration. Shades of Raymond Chandler and Dragnet!

In any event, I'm still very solidly hooked. Can't wait for the next ish, since I think Montoya was one of the best additions to the Batman universe the Animated Age ever did, and that she was criminally underused in the actual show. It'll be nice to give her some panel time of her own.

I think that the show used her well when they used her, but I'd have liked to see her onscreen more often. Now I get my chance, albeit on panel.

PDS

Batman's Biggest Fan

10-31-2002, 08:40 PM

Great story. I especially liked the flashbacks to Mad Love.

James Harvey

10-31-2002, 08:44 PM

Longer comments coming later, but I really enjoyed this issue. The pacing never stopped with this issue. The whole series has kept up a great pace from the beginning. And the art...oh wow...the art. Chain Jennifer to the drawing board and give her an animated book! And Paul...geeze...what else can I say?

(well, I'll say more when I write up my longer review)

PDStorrie

10-31-2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
Great story. I especially liked the flashbacks to Mad Love.

Thanks, Greg!

PDS

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Longer comments coming later, but I really enjoyed this issue.

Look forward to the longer comments when you've got 'em.

The pacing never stopped with this issue. The whole series has kept up a great pace from the beginning. And the art...oh wow...the art. Chain Jennifer to the drawing board and give her an animated book!

She is doing a terrific job, isn't she? Credit must go to Brad Rader (big thanks for his help this issue) and J. Bone as well, of course. What's more, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention, once again, the cool coloring of Trish.

And Paul...geeze...what else can I say?

(well, I'll say more when I write up my longer review)

Thanks on both counts!

PDS

DKstormyknight

11-05-2002, 03:19 AM

"Three shots of espresso, four sugars, with whipped cream, cinnamon and caramel on top." :D Out of all of the Gotham Girls issues…. this is my favorite! The story and artwork was great, and I love Harley! 5 stars! Great issue PD, I loved it!!! :)

:cool:

PDStorrie

11-05-2002, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by DKstormyknight
"Three shots of espresso, four sugars, with whipped cream, cinnamon and caramel on top." :D Out of all of the Gotham Girls issues?. this is my favorite! The story and artwork was great, and I love Harley! 5 stars! Great issue PD, I loved it!!! :)

:cool:

Thanks! Do you think I should have put a disclaimer on the Espresso Kaboom recipe?

"Warning: Don't make this in the real world. The thing that goes 'Kaboom' is your heart."

PDS

Salvor

11-05-2002, 10:54 AM

I have to admit I'm not as enthusiastic as everyone here. First let me make it plain that this was a good issue, with a solid story and some enjoyable art.

That being said...

The story was good, but the pace seemed a bit off to me. I don't know why, but I didn't have much fun reading this ish, unlike the first two ishs. There was just something missing in this one, and it's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is. I gotta agree with TEK, the endless chase scene is losing some of its appeal. Characterization suffers from this, since it is reduced to showing the main characters running and getting caught and running etc. See what I mean? Personally I'd like to see them do other stuff, like some detective work for Batgirl in the Batcave for instance.

It's too bad, really, cause the dialogues are great, and make for some well-written action sequences.

As for the art, I liked it, but at times, Harley's head bugged me. I guess it's due to Rader's doing the layouts, since I've never been a big fan of Rader's take on the animated style.

Overall: ***

PDStorrie

11-05-2002, 01:40 PM

Salvor,

Sorry to hear that you didn't enjoy this as much as the first couple.

Don't know if I agree that characterization has to suffer because the main storyline involves an extended chase. After all, that's what the flashbacks, interludes, dialog and captions are for -- to provide insights into character.

Keep in mind that I'm not arguing with your reaction/opinion. You're certainly entitled to it. I just know that, as I was writing, characterization was on my mind as much or moreso than simply moving the characters from Point A to Point B and having them square off in new ways.

Personally I'd like to see them do other stuff, like some detective work for Batgirl in the Batcave for instance.

I can understand that. In this case, however, going back to the Batcave would mean giving up pursuit and leaving Catwoman, Harley and Ivy to duke it out on the streets of Gotham unhindered. Might not be a good idea for property values, y'know?

As for the art, I liked it, but at times, Harley's head bugged me. I guess it's due to Rader's doing the layouts, since I've never been a big fan of Rader's take on the animated style.

I think maybe you're letting a previous impression color your opinion here. Brad did layouts, which means he set up the panel and page composition. Figures aren't drawn in completely, just roughed out. All of which means that both Jenn and Jay had as much to do with the finished look of the characters (if not their placement on the page) as they did in the first couple issues.

PDS

Bird Boy

11-05-2002, 03:52 PM

ahh..so here is the talkback. I didn't ever see one.. :(

Anywho, I picked it up on Saturday--really enjoyable. Like some have said, it was really fast paced and it was over before I knew it, it was over (is that a good or bad thing?). Loved the dialogue, especially the bit when Harley proved she "ain't stupid!" Definitely on part with the first two issues.

The art...it's the best in the series. None of it is ever off model, and Jennifer Graves is doing the greatest job at nailing the characters.

My only complaint? It's issue #3..only 2 left..

-BB

PDStorrie

11-05-2002, 10:09 PM

BB.

Glad that you're liking it so far.

All I can say about there only being two issues left is -- they're gonna be a BLAST!

Who knows, maybe we'll get a chance to revist the Girls of Gotham before too long? (And, no, that's not a tease, just a fond wish.)

PDS

James Harvey

11-20-2002, 12:42 PM

The newest installment of the five part Gotham Girls mini-series has arrived, spotlighting Montoya!

GOTHAM GIRLS #4 (of 5)

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Written by Paul Storrie; art by Jennifer Graves and J. Bone; cover by Shane Glines

In stores now! Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn think they’ve succeeded in stealing Ivy’s plant formula back from the chemical company that stole it first. But it’s good girls vs. bad girls as Detective Renee Montoya finally catches up to — and teams up with — Batgirl!

Comments?

Green-Ghost

11-20-2002, 02:05 PM

I haven't #3 yet and now #4 is already out :(
I was on Monday at my comicshop and he hasn't my Gotham Girls #3 :confused:

This is a handycap if you are life in Germany

Joker85

11-20-2002, 10:20 PM

Another great issue! It was nice to finally learn something about Montoya and her background! Her and Batgirl's interaction was very well written, she respects the masked vigilantes, but doesn't necessarily agree with them, or their methods. Harley was funny in this one, laughing at everything and being the cause of all the problems. Overall I enjoyed this one and cannot wait for the final showdown next month! Great story Paul!

Divv

11-21-2002, 01:21 PM

Once again, I thought it was great! The characterization in these books has been great and this one followed suit. I loved everything about this one, the story, the art, the cover. It was all brilliant, it's a shame Gotham Adventures isn't anywhere near as good as this.

PDStorrie

11-21-2002, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Joker85
Another great issue! It was nice to finally learn something about Montoya and her background! Her and Batgirl's interaction was very well written, she respects the masked vigilantes, but doesn't necessarily agree with them, or their methods. Harley was funny in this one, laughing at everything and being the cause of all the problems. Overall I enjoyed this one and cannot wait for the final showdown next month! Great story Paul!

Thanks, Mr. J.

I had a great time filling in some of the blanks in Montoya's "Animated" background.

PDS

Originally posted by Divv
Once again, I thought it was great! The characterization in these books has been great and this one followed suit. I loved everything about this one, the story, the art, the cover. It was all brilliant, it's a shame Gotham Adventures isn't anywhere near as good as this.

Thanks for the kind words.

So, I'm curious --

What did you folks think of switching to the first person narrative voice for Montoya's issue? I had a lot of fun writing it that way, even though it kind of limited the stuff I could show on panel (if Renee wasn't there, she couldn't know what happened).

Any thoughts in that regard?

PDS

Trent Lane

11-21-2002, 03:48 PM

Again, good job getting into Montoya's background more. She's never really been developed in anything very well, but you did a great job taking care of that in this book. Can't wait for next issue and maybe more to come(????)...

PDStorrie

11-21-2002, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Trent Lane
Again, good job getting into Montoya's background more. She's never really been developed in anything very well, but you did a great job taking care of that in this book. Can't wait for next issue and maybe more to come(????)...

Thanks, Trent.

The DCU Renee (and her family) got a little bit of attention during No Man's Land, although I tried pretty hard not to rely on that stuff while coming up with my own take on Renee.

As for "more to come", I can only say again that the best chance of getting more Gotham Girls is to write DC and ask! Until then, keep an eye on the new Batman Adventures book from Dan Slott, Ty Templeton and others. Sounds like they'll be giving the Girls some time on panel in the backup stories that will be a feature of that title.

PDS

Batman's Biggest Fan

11-21-2002, 07:21 PM

Hey Paul, will you be writing some issues of the new Batman animated book?

I mean I loved your Batman Beyond story. I forget the issue number but I loved it a whole lot. I can't for next month's conclusion!

The Detective

11-21-2002, 07:53 PM

Arrrrggggg! After I bought #1 I had to go out of town and missed #2, I finally got a hold of #3, and #4 isn't out where I get comics! AAAAhhh the frustration! (I loved #3 though)

PDStorrie

11-21-2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
Hey Paul, will you be writing some issues of the new Batman animated book?

No plans for that, I'm afraid. From what I remember, Dan and Ty are both sticklers for hitting their deadlines, so I doubt they'll be needing any fill-ins anytime soon.

I mean I loved your Batman Beyond story. I forget the issue number but I loved it a whole lot. I can't for next month's conclusion!

That would be issue #23, with the awesome Darwyn Cooke cover. Thanks!

Hope you like the wrap up on Gotham Girls. I had an amazingly fun time writing this series.

PDS

Originally posted by The DarkKnight
Arrrrggggg! After I bought #1 I had to go out of town and missed #2, I finally got a hold of #3, and #4 isn't out where I get comics! AAAAhhh the frustration! (I loved #3 though)

"Arrrggggg!" indeed! Sorry to hear you're having a hard time tracking down issue two. It should still be available from Diamond if your local retailer is willing to order it. Otherwise, you might be able to pick it up at an online retailer.

PDS

Ed Liu

11-22-2002, 09:38 AM

Howdy,

There will probably be more later, but since this thread seems to be kind of slow...

Loved #4, and the focus on Montoya (a "normal" in Gotham) was well done and long overdue. The first-person narration worked very well to communicate character traits that would otherwise require multiple panels or even pages to carry off, and worked as an homage to those old pulp books. It also came off as a good, hard-nosed, straightforward approach to the story, nicely echoing Montoya's personality traits.

I also liked the constant references to the older creators in street names. "Corner of Engelhart and Rogers" indeed! (although there was one I wasn't sure of -- "Wright," I think?)

So, lots of good character development, mayhem and reversals of fortune to rival a good Jackie Chan fight sequence, terrific artwork again, and a leadup to what looks like it's going to be a Big Wow Finish. What's not to like?

Just as long as you don't reveal in the end that it's Harvey Dent's long lost sister while leaving behind about a thousand dangling plot threads :).

-- Ed/Ace

PDStorrie

11-22-2002, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
Howdy,

There will probably be more later, but since this thread seems to be kind of slow...

Loved #4, and the focus on Montoya (a "normal" in Gotham) was well done and long overdue. The first-person narration worked very well to communicate character traits that would otherwise require multiple panels or even pages to carry off, and worked as an homage to those old pulp books. It also came off as a good, hard-nosed, straightforward approach to the story, nicely echoing Montoya's personality traits.

As a fan of the 'normal' perspective myself, I'm pretty excited about the upcoming Gotham Central. An entire series dedicated to exploring what it's like to be a cop in a city with a cadre of crimefighters? I'm so there. Glad to hear that you liked my own brief take on that.

I also liked the constant references to the older creators in street names. "Corner of Engelhart and Rogers" indeed! (although there was one I wasn't sure of -- "Wright," I think?)

Well, they weren't all "old creators". My criteria was simply association with the Bat-books. Hence Englehart, Rogers, Dixon and Wright. The last (besides offering a comedic bit) was a tip of the hat to my pal Michael Wright, Associate Bat Editor and all around good guy!

So, lots of good character development, mayhem and reversals of fortune to rival a good Jackie Chan fight sequence, terrific artwork again, and a leadup to what looks like it's going to be a Big Wow Finish. What's not to like?

That's what I'd like to know! ;)

I know I've said it before, but I have to say it again: I'm dang lucky to be working with such fine artists on this story. Jenn and J. and Trish are doing wonderful stuff issue after issue and Brad Rader did a great job in lending a hand on issue three.

Just as long as you don't reveal in the end that it's Harvey Dent's long lost sister while leaving behind about a thousand dangling plot threads :).

Uh oh.

:::grabs phone:::

Joan? I think we need to do some rewrites on issue five!!!

PDS

James Harvey

11-24-2002, 03:21 PM

Well, I finally have some time to write up a nice little review for this issue so...let's go!

The writing on this series remains true to the characters. Every character here is exactly how they should be, especially Harley Quinn - the focus of the issue. You just gotta love that opening page! Storrie brings up something that many people seem to forget. While Harley may be insane, she's not stupid. I think some past stories have forgotten this, and portrayed her as a complete idiot. Granted, she may act that way sometimes, but she is not an idiot. She's not brilliant by any means, but she's not stupid, either. I also enjoyed the reference back to 'Mad Love.' I'm surprised at how similair the artwork in this book matches that of the art in the classic one shot. It makes the flashbacks flow much easier.

And as usual, the rest of the characters stay perfectly in character. The character I'm enjoying the most in this series (until issue #4 that is) is Catwoman. I just really love her character and Storrie is doing such a great job with her. She's a backstabber who uses whoever she can to achive a goal, and we see that quite a few times in this issue. Hell, I think she's the first person to sucker punch Batgirl and knock her out. That scene just personified Catwoman for me in this issue. Just lays her to waste in those panels so she can keep going. She's done with Batgirl so...well..WHOK!

But this issue is more about Harley, so let's look into her for a bit. I just can't help but wonder what's really an act, and when is she being serious. In the 'House of Mirrors' sequence, she expects the store to be a real hous eof mirros, and then after that the '7 years' bad luck tale. I'm just curious on whether or not she's serious there. Is she that superstitious. Surely she'd not really believe a silly thing like that so she has to be kidding (Heck, Catwoman mentions it). That, I think, adds to her character. When is she being serious? When is she just playing?

That scene is quickly followed by one which shows her 'little devil' side by switching the vial for on of her little weapons - and nicely done, too. This is the second or third time this has happened in the series so far, right? Is this a kind of running gag?

Getting back to the 'playing/serious' thing, the 'Harlequinade' was a nice nod to her character. Like I said earlier, people tend to classify her as a bumbling idiot when she's actually pretty smart. Granted the scene is sort of played for laughs, but it's a nice little bit for her character.

"I AIN'T STUPID!" has got to be one of the most hilarious lines this charcter has ever said. Just the contridiction in the sentence itself adds to the hilarity of the scene. The elongated flashback to the events of 'Mad Love' at the end are also a nice choice. I don't know why a few people seem to have a problem with this. It's helping to flesh out her character more for the mini-series and it works nicely. It's adding contest to a simple, quick story. A mad-cap chase after a vial can't fill up a five issues (unless your Chris Claremont) so this look into the characters background is required. It just helps to reader understand each character and their position.

Plus this also builds upon her relationship with Ivy, which is also a bit of an abusive relationship. Not the same as the Joker, but abusive nonetheless. Sadly, it's probably the ebst relationship she'll ever have.

And the art...dear god...how great is this art? Granted, not as great as the previous two issues, but it's still some great stuff to look at. Some of the art looks like it's from a frame of the cartoon series. The first page is a great shot of Harley. I think that image is so dead on...looks great. Plus, it's dead on for Harley. The art in the series so far seems like storyboard artwork. Not the flimsy kind where it's a few lines scratched her or there, but fully produced artwor, that includes detail. It just flows nicely.

And ya can't beat the coloring. Patricia is up there with Lee Loughridge as one of the best colorists to grace the animated comics. Maybe we'll see some of Patrciai's work on Justice League Adventures soon - a series solely in need of some better coloring. The lettering is also a nice compliment. I'm still a bit dissapointed that Tim Harkins isn't doing the series, but Felix is a nice step in.

Now...onto issue #4...

Wow...I'm revewing an issue...in the same week it came out? How the heck did that happen?? :) Here we go...

I'm a big fan of crime noir stories. I love reading stories from the regular perspective. That's why I really enjoyed Rucka's run on Detective Comics. That's why I enjoyed alot of Brubaker's stuff. That's why the current Catwoman series is pure genius. That's why I enjoyed Marvels as well. I love the human perspective, and the crime aspect as well. That's why I was really looking forward to this issue. Throughout the entire series we've been seeing snippets of Montoya here and there...and now it's her turn to shine. And damn if this isn't my favorite issue of the series.

"I Carry A Badge" gives us a rough, edgy look into this mini-series and presents us with a chareacter who's a bit oumatched, but not out-witted. She's a great character and I'm glad to see her included in this series (as well as the newest season of the webtoon). She brings a good perspective to the series which brings a freshness to it. If not fer her, all this series would be is four costumed folk running around. She brings is down to earth and adds a bit if realisim to the series.

(and for the record, she's snapping the vines to get her hands free on the fourth panel on page 4. That's what I got from it)

I also liked her perspective on the costumed heroes of the city as well. The vigilantes surely can't make things any easier and her candor (sp) about them helps plant the realism of the series a bit more. She's come soff as a real character thrown into unreal circumstances. Alright...I gotta stop gushing about this character...:)

One thing I'm enjoying about this series is the pace. The pace is frentic and fast paced, yet it also has that 'real time' quality to it. The car sequence between Batgirl and Montoya feels like it's playing out in real time. We get their entire converation. They get in the car, talk, then get out. No cuts aways or little scenes in between. Just those two characters by thermselves talking. Such a nice little moment. Slows the pace down abit, but it provides some background on Montoya. Heck, I think this is the first time her background is discussed in the animated series.

Plus I like seeing the mention of Commissioner Gordon. It was great to see Batgirl quickly jump to Gordon's side and defend him. There's a 'daughter defending father' vibe in the scene that adds a nice bit of character to Batgirl. A nice character driven scene, a regular and welcome occurence in this little series. It seems like the main intent of the series is to provide a new dimension to these characters, with the vial heist being the subplot. It can work either way, and it does.

And once this scene is done, we're put right back into the action. The series has yet to skimp on the action and here we get even more. We get a nice mix of action and characterization here, and it's what balances the series and makes it so enjoyable. The contant chance, while it can seem a bit strung out at times, helps draw us back into the action. The fact that we also don't know the real intent behind the vial yet is keeping me on for the ride. I'm curious as to who is telling the truth about it, and what's in it. I hope it's not some silly cop-out, but a real reason behind it. Is Ivy telling the truth about it? Only next issue can tell...

And then we're back to some solid artwork after the slight slip up of last week. Once again we get some stunning work from Graves. I'd love to see her do some more animated artwork in the future. Hopefully she'll be one of the regular artists for (at least) the back ups for the new The Batman Adventures series in 2003. She captures the essence of the Gotham Girls perfectly. I like the little small subtle changes she's made here and there. The charatcers all have a softer look to them, a bit more rounded out and feminine. Not rough and squared off like some of the animated characters. And, Catwoman doesn't look so ridiculously thin here, thank god. While she's still small, the softer look she has makes her a bit more believable as a threat.

And with that awesome splash page at the end, how can you not want to pick up issue #5? I'm already anticipating it...

PDStorrie

11-26-2002, 08:43 AM

Two in one week? One of them in the week it came out?? You must be enjoying the series!

Thanks for the review(s), Jim.

PDS

James Harvey

11-29-2002, 03:59 PM

For those still waiting to pick up this issue - check out this review:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/103815897644419.htm

What are ya waiting for?

Bird Boy

12-05-2002, 03:11 PM

Here I am again, ever late as usual..

About halfway through the issue I remembered this was Montoya's spotlight issue, which I remember you talking about how you needed episode reviews and information for way back when (well, maybe not way way back..but still..it's been awhile). Anyway, this issue was pure gold. I loved the dialogue, I loved the art (sweet as always), and man..I'm actually hoping #5 gets delayed for some reason..cause as soon as it hits, this series is over..major bummer.

But, anyway, I loved this issue and this is definitely turning into one of my favorite Mini-series..ever..

-BB

PDStorrie

12-05-2002, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Bird Boy
Here I am again, ever late as usual..

About halfway through the issue I remembered this was Montoya's spotlight issue, which I remember you talking about how you needed episode reviews and information for way back when (well, maybe not way way back..but still..it's been awhile). Anyway, this issue was pure gold. I loved the dialogue, I loved the art (sweet as always), and man..I'm actually hoping #5 gets delayed for some reason..cause as soon as it hits, this series is over..major bummer.

But, anyway, I loved this issue and this is definitely turning into one of my favorite Mini-series..ever..

Thanks, BB. Trust me, I'm going to be missing writing the adventures of the Gotham Girls (for the time being) as much as you'll miss reading them.

PDS

James Harvey

12-26-2002, 02:31 AM

The conclusion to Paul Storrie's Gotham Girls mini-series hits stands today! Be sure not to miss out on arguable one of the best mini-series of 2002! The shadow of the bat falls on Batgirl for the final month...

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GOTHAM GIRLS #5
Written by Paul Storrie; art by Jennifer Graves, J. Bone and Rick Burchett; cover by Rian Hughes

In stores now! The clock runs out on gaining possession of a dangerous chemical, and Batgirl finds herself torn between fighting and feeling – for Harley's loneliness, Poison Ivy's protectiveness, and Catwoman's love of danger. But she and Detective Reneé Montoya have to come down on the side of the law. Can they do it in time?

Click on the thumbnails below to see the first four pages of this issue:

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Comments?

[Cover & page scans added by Bird Boy]

Green-Ghost

12-26-2002, 04:44 AM

Can't wait to get this issue :D

Ed Liu

12-27-2002, 09:15 AM

Howdy,

And so, it ends, with a succession of bangs, bad guys (er, gals) getting tied up, an explanation of exactly where the Gotham Boys were, and everybody living happily ever after. What's not to like?

This comic might be the first time any of the Animated Age comics has ever dealt with the double legacy of Barbara Gordon. Being the daughter of Gotham City's top cop (and one of its very few good ones) AND the protege of Batman is a pretty heavy burden for one person to carry, and one gets the sense that she's doing what she does to prove something to herself as much as she is for the greater good.

Jennifer Graves' artwork never looked better. The splash page is absolutely killer, as are the words to go along with it. She gets my vote to pencil at least one of the Ty Templeton stories in the upcoming Batman Adventures comic.

Sadly, my issues are currently scattered in 3 different locations (razza-frazzin'-moving), so I can't indulge my urge to sit down with all the issues and read them through all at once. I hope DC has the sense to come out with a TPB.

Had a question about the other Animated Age comics out there for any of the pros reading. Batman is getting a new Animated Age comic, which will get stories by Ty Templeton and Dan Slott, along with the occasional fill-in issue I'd imagine. Justice League Adventures seems to be the "rotating-team" book, without a fixed writer/artist lineup. Did Gotham Girls do well enough to encourage another Animated Age mini-series or ongoing title? Or are the Powers That Be at DC kind of sitting on this for now?

-- Ed/Ace

PDStorrie

12-27-2002, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
Howdy,

And so, it ends, with a succession of bangs, bad guys (er, gals) getting tied up, an explanation of exactly where the Gotham Boys were, and everybody living happily ever after. What's not to like?

This comic might be the first time any of the Animated Age comics has ever dealt with the double legacy of Barbara Gordon. Being the daughter of Gotham City's top cop (and one of its very few good ones) AND the protege of Batman is a pretty heavy burden for one person to carry, and one gets the sense that she's doing what she does to prove something to herself as much as she is for the greater good.

Thanks, Ed! Glad the you enjoyed it.

Jennifer Graves' artwork never looked better. The splash page is absolutely killer, as are the words to go along with it. She gets my vote to pencil at least one of the Ty Templeton stories in the upcoming Batman Adventures comic.

You are so absolutely right. Kudos and thanks must also go to Rick Burchett as well, who helped out on some of the layouts.

Sadly, my issues are currently scattered in 3 different locations (razza-frazzin'-moving), so I can't indulge my urge to sit down with all the issues and read them through all at once. I hope DC has the sense to come out with a TPB.

Hope you get a chance to indulge yourself before too long. As for the TPB, we've all got our fingers crossed on that one.

Had a question about the other Animated Age comics out there for any of the pros reading. Batman is getting a new Animated Age comic, which will get stories by Ty Templeton and Dan Slott, along with the occasional fill-in issue I'd imagine. Justice League Adventures seems to be the "rotating-team" book, without a fixed writer/artist lineup. Did Gotham Girls do well enough to encourage another Animated Age mini-series or ongoing title? Or are the Powers That Be at DC kind of sitting on this for now?

I'll be checking in with editor extraordinaire Joan Hilty on this again after the first of the year. Now that all the issues are out and all the numbers (sans reorders) are in, I expect DC is in a better position to decide on the future of GOTHAM GIRLS.

Until then, keep your eyes peeled in the pages of Ty and Dan's upcoming BATMAN ADVENTURES, as I believe Dan mentioned the Gotham Girls showing up in those pages from time to time.

PDS

Joker85

12-27-2002, 03:35 PM

I can't wait to get this one, sounds great! I haven't been able to get by the comic shop with all the holiday stuff, hopefully I'll be able to go tomorrow! :)

Green-Ghost

12-27-2002, 03:46 PM

I hope I will get it on monday.
Can't wait to see how cool Jennifers Ivy looks in this issue.
Because Ivy looks from issue to issue better.
I love how she draws her.
And I can't wait how this storyline will end.
Every issue was a great read and give us great infos (history...) on each girl

And for the girls in Batman Adventures:
Ivy is in issue one(mainstory) and will get her 5-Page story in #3.
And Catwoman will appear (with goggles) in the back-up in #4.

James Harvey

12-28-2002, 03:42 PM

Well, a more indepth review will be up shortly (I still have Justice League Adventures #13 and #14 to get up), I must say this was a great conclusion. This issue just made every previous issue click. The rotating focus really helped what could've been a simply 22 page story work as a 110 page story. Storrie did a magnificent job with this series and I hope he stays close to the Batman universe (both animated and mainstream). He gets these characters and it shows in every panel of this series. And then there's the almost perfect artwork. Almost flawless. Near perfection. Just...amazing!

While I own all five issues, but I will definitely get the trade if they release one! A more indepth review will be coming shortly.

Hey Paul, have you read any reviews of this issue from othersites? I'd like to see what they have to say.

Reed Richards

12-29-2002, 02:10 AM

great issue, great series

but what I cannot WAIT for is Paul's "Night and Day" series

i hope its picked up soon....

PDStorrie

12-29-2002, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Well, a more indepth review will be up shortly (I still have Justice League Adventures #13 and #14 to get up), I must say this was a great conclusion. This issue just made every previous issue click. The rotating focus really helped what could've been a simply 22 page story work as a 110 page story. Storrie did a magnificent job with this series and I hope he stays close to the Batman universe (both animated and mainstream). He gets these characters and it shows in every panel of this series. And then there's the almost perfect artwork. Almost flawless. Near perfection. Just...amazing!

While I own all five issues, I still may get the tradepaperback (if released) anyways! A more indepth review will be coming shortly.

Thanks, Jim. I do hope that I get a chance to revisit the Gotham Girls someday soon. As I've said before, the series was a lot of fun to write.

Hey Paul, have you read any reviews of this issue from othersites? I'd like to see what they have to say.

Haven't seen anything on Gotham Girls #5 yet, though I expect Ray Tate over at Silver Bullet (www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com) will do a review -- he's covered every issue so far.

Most reviewers don't let me know when they've reviewed my stuff, so I'm left in the same boat as everyone else, checking the search engines.

PDS

Originally posted by Reed Richards
great issue, great series

but what I cannot WAIT for is Paul's "Night and Day" series

i hope its picked up soon....

I appreciate your enthusiasm, both for Gotham Girls and Night & Day. As for the latter, right now it's pretty much in Limbo. I do periodically talk with Lone Star about what we're going to do with it (I only co-created the series from an idea by Lone Star publisher Bill Williams), but nothing firm has been decided as yet.

PDS

Joker85

12-29-2002, 09:33 PM

Wow! This was my favorite issue yet! It definitely ended with a bang. Lots of action and lots of surprises. It was a surprise, but a pleasant one, to see Batman, Robin, Nightwing, and Commissioner Gordon at the end. It was great to see Montoya and Batgirl work really well together. I hope this isn't the last time we see a team up between those 2. Great job John! :)
*****

PDStorrie

12-30-2002, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Joker85
Wow! This was my favorite issue yet! It definitely ended with a bang. Lots of action and lots of surprises. It was a surprise, but a pleasant one, to see Batman, Robin, Nightwing, and Commissioner Gordon at the end. It was great to see Montoya and Batgirl work really well together. I hope this isn't the last time we see a team up between those 2. Great job John! :)
*****

Thanks!

PDS

P.S. Who's John?

Joker85

12-30-2002, 04:48 PM

oops! So many writers of comics and artist on this board and plus I'm heavily medicated at the moment. I got you confused with John Delaney, I apologize! :)

PDStorrie

12-30-2002, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Joker85
oops! So many writers of comics and artist on this board and plus I'm heavily medicated at the moment. I got you confused with John Delaney, I apologize! :)

S'okay. I had a hunch that was what happened (sans the medication, of course. : :)

PDS

James Harvey

01-01-2003, 03:29 AM

Hey Paul,

I did a little websurfing and came across the only one review for this issue so far. It's from Silver Bullet:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104131166325462.htm

PDStorrie

01-01-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Hey Paul,

I did a little websurfing and came across the only one review for this issue so far. It's from Silver Bullet:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104131166325462.htm

There are a couple others, though the urls are escaping me just now. Ray over at Silver Bullet has been reviewing all the issues, which is nice. Certainly, his is currently the most comprehensive review I've seen so far (not counting message board commentary, of course).

PDS

Bird Boy

01-02-2003, 10:34 PM

I know the scans (above--in the main post) aren't what everyones use to from Brian, but since he's taken a break from this it seems, I decided to do em' myself--I hope they aren't that noticeably different in quality.. :)

Now then--on to the issue itself--WOW! Whatta way to wrap up the series. First I'm going to get my only complaint out of the way--Jennifer Graves did a KILLER job on the entire book, but when it came to the close of Robin's face at the end..it just looked odd to me. Other than that, a 5-star issue!

This series has to be read cover-to-cover and back-to-back to be truly appreciated--it's just a great 5-part mini-series that I was glad was made. The story, the art, the dialogue..it's just all reminiscent of the best BTAS episodes and if they EVER adapt this book into a animated episode..man that'd be awesome.

After all this waiting, this series has already ended, and I've loved the whole lot of time I've spent with it. Thanks Paul, Jennifer, J. Bone,Rick Burchett and Shane Glines with his awesome covers and Rian Hughes with his equally cool cover art to #5 (I smell some inspiration from Batman #608 in it :)) and anyone else invovled with this book--it's been a great ride, I'm just sad to see it end!

-BB

PDStorrie

01-02-2003, 10:54 PM

Thanks for the kind words, BB. Glad ya liked it.

Kudos should include Trish Mulvihill, our colorist throughout (and Digital Chameleon for their awesome seps), Brad Rader, who helped out on breakdowns for issue three, our letters Tim Harkins (issue one) and Phil Felix (two through five) as well as editor Joan Hilty and Assistant Editor Harvey Richards. Gotham Girls was definitely a team effort and I think that everybody made exceptional contributions!

PDS

Green-Ghost

01-03-2003, 05:19 AM

Thanks for the scans Bird Boy :D

3 - I like this issue like the other :p
It shows cool flashbacks on Harley Quinn and the relationship to Ivy.
Great artwork and story!
:D

4 - Great issue.
With a good few on Montoyas past.
Jennifer has drawn a great Ivy in the last issues but in this one looks the best.

:D

5 - The final issue :(

It was a great read and look :p
It was like the last issues a great story with geat artworks.
Paul you and Jennifer(and the other of the team)did a great job on this series.

So here is what I like and not like on this series:

I like:
+Interesting and exciting Story
+Great Artworks
+All Gotham Girls
+Great Covers
+Very cool flashbacks
+Great look at the girls past
+First time Ivy's animated origin is told in comic

I don't like:
-Only a Mini

PDStorrie

01-09-2003, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Green-Ghost
Great issue.
With a good few on Montoyas past.
Jennifer has drawn a great Ivy in the last issues but in this one looks the best.

:D

Thanks! (I know, that's not a terribly original response, but it is heartfelt.)

Sorry, can't do anything about that dislike for the time being (but it's encouraging to see so many pluses and so few minuses). Hopefully we'll get another shot in the future.

PDS

DisneyBoy

01-10-2003, 02:42 PM

Still haven't had a chance to pick the last three Gotham Girls issues from my box. Could someone please scan the first four pages as incentive?

(As if I need incentive!) :rolleyes:

Green-Ghost

01-11-2003, 06:25 AM

Here are the pages:
Page 1 (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_6785162/s/__hr_Page+1.jpg?bc7_AI.ALwKCId6z) Page 2 (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_6785162/s/__hr_Page+2.jpg?bc7_AI.AcgHgoQOr) Page 3 (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_6785162/s/__hr_Page+3.jpg?bc7_AI.A5eUlDPTB) Page 4 (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_6785162/s/__hr_Page+4.jpg?bc7_AI.ASbi8LZFv)

Livewire

02-01-2003, 06:14 PM

The first two issues were a perfect balance of action and characterization, but this issue seemed to be all action and not much else. The whole story was basically just fighting and chasing.

Another reason I didn’t like this issue as much as the first two was probably due to the fact that I’m not a Harley Quinn fan.

The art was good, but not quite as good as it was in issues #1 and #2. Overall, issue #3 had its moments, but it just didn’t measure up to its two predecessors.

James Harvey

02-01-2003, 11:30 PM

Well, a more than a month after this issue hit stands, I'm finally getting around to reviewing the finale of Gotham Girls, one of the funnest Batman mini-series to hit the stands! Under a snazzy Rian Hughes cover, we get a fun, fast paced story which brings the series to a satisifying conclusion. My full review is as follows (please excuse any typing errors):

You know you're in for a good issue when the story opens with "Batgirl is just getting started" and she's walking away from a wrecked police cruiser covered in flames. If that image right there doesn't hook you into the story, then I don't know what will. The opening splash page is a perfect way to open the Batgirl-focused issue. We know exactly what we're getting from that first image...and it does not dissapoint!

I like how Paul throws us right back into the story without missing abeat. Withing seconds from last issue's car explosion, we're right back in the fight between the good gals, the not-so good gals, and the bad gals! Storrie is dead on with Catwoman, never choosing a side and being on her own, constantly. We see her fighting both Harley and Ivy, and then Batgirl and Montoya. To me- that's Catwoman! Always playing both sides.

Plus we get a nice briefy character study of Batgirl with her saving Catwoman. I thought that works nicely, and helps ease the reader into the fight perfectly. Well, "Queen O' The Jungle" Harley helps, too. What follows is one helluva fight scene where every character gets their shot. I'm not sure if Jennifer did this or Paul did, but I like how Montoya sortof doesn't ft in this scene. She hold her own, yes, but I like how we have her and then four costumes duking it out.

Oh, and the fighting looks and sounds brutal! Those sounds effects you add in, Paul, just make some of the action almost squirm worthy! That punch in panel one on page eight? Man, that looks incredibly painful.

After a Harley is caputred and Batgirl and Montoya on on their way to fina that vial, I got a nice welcome surprise. I didn't expect to see Dr. Yurkovich again in the series. I just expected this last issue to be a huge fight scene with the vial being reclaimed after duking it out. But here, I got a welcome surprise with some nice twists being thrown in. And it wasn't until Ivy appeared a few panels later when I realized the full extent of all of the backstabbing and betrayel in this series. "You lie to me, then you steal from me, and you're planning to run and hide?" That sums thing sup very nicely.

And that "One step closer and I swear I'll kiss him!" got a nice chuckle out of me. And then "WHUD!". Damn that looks painful...One thing I like is how Paul adds a brutal undertone to these fight scenes. Batman: Gotham Adventures suffers from stale fight scenes. But here, we get some real, gritty action.

What I like about the conclusion of this series is how it all comes back to Catwoman. The series opens with a Catwoman-themed issue, and it all comes back to her on page 17. Full circle. In the first issue she set out to steal the vial and she accomplished her task. That, to me, brings the series full circle. Paul gives us a clever finale to the issue by bringing it back to where it all started. Just a smart move and a fun conclusion. And this is all done with style, art and story-wise.

And the artwork? From the beautiful opening splash page of Batgirl to Barbar's wink on the final panel, Jennifer Graves provides some amazing art, with some assistance by Rick Burchett. You really can't beat that opening splash page....you really can't. A powerful image of Batgirl merging from some flaming wreckage? Just an awesome picture!

I've also grown very fond of Jennifer's rendition of Poison Ivy. I'm not a big fan of that character. She's just some girl with a bizarro plant fetish, but here she looks superb and looks like a threat. Plus, Jennifer gives her an air of vunerability that other artists lack at times.

Earlier I mentioned the brutal fight scenes...well...Jennifer definatly does her part in making them seem incredibly painful. Just look at panel five on page six, with Batgirl crashing into Harley's back. Just ouch, man. She makes the pain seem real, when in most comics, the pain is just glossed over to move the scene along. We see the heroes and villians cringe in pain with each punch, kick, and hit.

Jennifer's work on conveying emotion really works well, too. Just look at Harley's facial expressions on pages ten and eleven. Ya can't help but feel sorry for the poor abandoned girl! Or Catwoman smiling with glee on page five! She's able to capture character traits very nicely for each seperate charatcer. From Batgirl's determined look on page one to her "Not A Problem" smile on page 21...it all works so nicely.

And the appearances by Batman, Nightwing, Robin, and Gordon are nice surprises. A nice "by the way" for the readers curious as to where the Gotham Men were for the series. Jennifer also does a nice job of portraying them as well. Even though he has only one panel, Batman looks great! The art really compliments the script. Jennifer was the perfect match for Paul for this series - without a doubt.

Overall, a great miniseries. With great writing, great art, and some great charatcer study, I am pleasently surprised and pleased with the series. While I wish Tim Harkins could've lettered the whole series, Phil Felix does a nice job, and Patricia Mulvihill is a nice addition to the animated universe. I'd love to see her work grace the pages of Justice League Adventures. Plus, the special appearances by Brad Radar and Rick Burchett were a definite surprise for the title.

A great conclusion to one of the best Batman mini-series I've ever read. Paul, Jennifer, Rick, Brad, J. Bone, Phil, Patricia, Digital Chameleon, Harvey, Joan, Shane, and Rian - thank you for creating a memorable and unforgettable adventure!