Injustice For All Talkback (SPOILERS)

[sulimo]

Well, the episode "Injustice for All" was shown tonight here in Australia. I didnt expect it to be shown as episode 8, rather than the US order.

A few things...Batman doesnt seem to be portrayed as terribly bright. Also, I found it strange that Batman's now patrolling Metropolis rather than Gotham and that he's seen to have setup shop permenantly in the watch-tower.

Not a bad episode though. Cant wait till tomorrow night to see how it concludes.

[The Electric Knight]

Howdy there! I too saw it tonight, I was surprised us Aussies got it first.

I liked it, but I agree with what you said about Batman. I also think a little more characterisation for some of the villains would have been good, but it's almost a given that that's near-impossible with the 8 villains and 7 heroes.

Nonetheless, the series seems to be getting better as it goes. I thorougly enjoyed "The Enemy Below" and this one, much more than the ones before.

[sulimo]

Originally posted by The Electric Knight
I liked it, but I agree with what you said about Batman. I also think a little more characterisation for some of the villains would have been good, but it's almost a given that that's near-impossible with the 8 villains and 7 heroes.

Yeah. I think the problem is restricting the stories to 2 parts. If they were expanded to 3 parts we could get a bit more characterisation. Of course pacing might then be an issue.

The episode did get me wondering about the history of the Ultra-humanite.


Nonetheless, the series seems to be getting better as it goes. I thorougly enjoyed "The Enemy Below" and this one, much more than the ones before.

Yeah. Enemy Below was cool. The rest of the US shown episodes are pretty good too.

[Divv]

Excellent! Looks like the UK may be getting to see it before the US too! Sorry guys!

[Knight]

That just totally sucks. How can they not air the episode here (USA) and air it everywhere else.

[JohnStewart-GL]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Why would it not air here?

[Meow]

:eek: You guys are so lucky. I'm dieing to see this episode! Why in the WORLD are they showing it in other countries but not in the USA; it's HOMELAND? It should be shown HERE first if anything.

*kills everyone that's seen it*

There, I feel better now. :D

Seriously though, I have a simple question. Was Joker in the first part? I'm just wondering exactly when it is that he makes an appearance.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Can you give us some spoilers?

[Joe Wagner]

WOW! So CN isn't just hoarding I4A until the very latest that they possible can - eventually making it the "lost" JL:TAS episode that would later become the stuff of myth and legends.

Congratulations to all those that finally saw the "missing link" and are eagerly awaiting the second part of the story, I hope to one day be able to join your ranks and see the episode for myself.

-Joe!

[Justice League 2000]

hello friends

I have to see this episode so bad. to bad injustice for all didn"t air in the US :( can you tell us more about this episode? ;)

[warmachine04]

I just that they show it early in Latin America.

[Batman 80]

Tell us about the fight scenes. Please!!!!!!

[Simpler Simon]

Wow, they've aired Injustice For All?? This is certainly very big news, did they ever mention this on the Toonzone news page, or was this completely unexpected?

Batman doesn't seem to be portrayed as being terribly bright? That's a surprise, seeing as how he's been the brain of the group since day one.

I don't suppose anyone managed to get screenshots...?

[Joe Wagner]

From the looks of things only CN-Australia aired Injustice For All - something that fans of the show everywhere else have been begging for.

-Joe!

[Divv]

Yeah, it looks like July 20th will be the UK air date.

[Conduit]

Oh my gosh?!?

They've aired it in Aussie? And not here?

I don't feel like Moving around anymore

I'm going to bed :(

[Frank White]

...... stupid video game....

[Batman 80]

Will somebody please post a review of the episode? With spoilers too.

[The Electric Knight]

The large fight scene was pretty darn cool, a lot of moving around.

It was weird to see Lex in jail at the starting, I must say. Also, was good to see the Batmobile make an appearance (the ep takes place in Metropolis, although my big nitpick is that they aren't keeping the cities looking different. Metropolis doesn't really look like it does in S:TAS. I hope they don't give Gotham the same treatment.)

The Joker doesn't appear til halfway, Luthor didn't even want him in the group. He's the only one successful in capturing one of the JL, Batman. Seems Batman gets knocked around quite a bit actually, he gets poisoned by Copperhead as well. I gotta say, it sounds sooo corny when Lex tells the IJG that they are out to "kill Superman and the Justice League". Some of the others have wide eyes and gasp...

TEK

P.S. I can understand your guy's frustration, but we actually had to wait ages to get the series fullstop (only started a week and a half ago). This is a nice treat to make up for the wait.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

what is the episode's cliffhanger

[Batman 80]

Can you post a summary of the entire episode, with details?

[sulimo]

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
what is the episode's cliffhanger

Well, the episode ends with the Joker having captured/knocked out Batman.

[sulimo]

Originally posted by The Electric Knight
P.S. I can understand your guy's frustration, but we actually had to wait ages to get the series fullstop (only started a week and a half ago). This is a nice treat to make up for the wait.

Yeah. If CN Australia has all of season one episodes we're likely to see all of season 1 before the US guys see the remaining episodes :D

[Thundercleese]

maybe some Australians have it on audiogalaxy or kazaa

[Jimmy Kustes]

Seems like they could air it in the US sooner than expected. I keep on telling you CN always revises the schedule, there is always a possiblity it could air before you know it! They sneaked the episodes of Grim & Evil from the fall into the summer. JL could do the same thing. Just don't get your hopes up. :D

I know that talk about episode downloads is soon to follow, but I am not a mod on this board so I can't tell you what to do. All I know is that tons of JL staff members read your posts, and it would not be wise to discuss it here.

[TheHuntressDiana]

Originally posted by Jimmy Kustes
Seems like they could air it in the US sooner than expected. I keep on telling you CN always revises the schedule, there is always a possiblity it could air before you know it! They sneaked the episodes of Grim & Evil from the fall into the summer. JL could do the same thing. Just don't get your hopes up. :D

I'm not going to hold my breath for that possibility...I'd be gasping for air way too quickly. lol

[Joker85]

Other people have said it before me, but I'll fill better if I say it myself.... THIS SUX!!!! :mad:

[sulimo]

Originally posted by Batman 80
Can you post a summary of the entire episode, with details?

If people are really interested, I'm willing to post a full summary after the conclusion airs tonight. Probably not for a day or so, as I'm a little busy though.

[GL2k2]

OKAY, THAT'S IT! I AM SERIOUSLY P.O.ED AT CN FOR THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:



I WILL BE BOYCOTTING CARTOON NETWORK UNTIL THEY AIR!!!! MEANING I AIN'T WATCHIN' NOTHIN'! THIS IS LIKE STICKIN" THE KNIFE IN THE BACK AND TURNING IT UNTIL IT HURTS. I AM NOT HAPPY!!

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Jimmy Kustes
I know that talk about episode downloads is soon to follow, but I am not a mod on this board so I can't tell you what to do. All I know is that tons of JL staff members read your posts, and it would not be wise to discuss it here.

Jimmy is dead on here. Any download talk that taks place on this board will be closed and deleted and the posters responsible will be warned, possibly banned (depending on circumstances). Download discussion is not allowed here, as it is something that can get this site into ALOT of trouble with the brass at CN.

And look, it toally sucks that 'I4A' has aired overseas, but there are some places where JL has not aired at all. JL is still absent from Canadian airwaves, as well as other countries around the world. And this isn't the first time. "Over The Edge" aired in the UK first, and the hype from the episode forced KWB to run is almost a full season early, as it was originally set to be the season opener for the final season.

Jimmy has a great point that CN may bump up this episode. They constantly revise their schedule so's a good chance 'I4A' will pop up sooner than expected. Just remain calm about this, folks. There's no need to petition or boycott. One or two people not wathcing the series, or all 50 - 100 or so of us at this board, is not going to make CN change their mind. While we may be the most popular JL board online, we only represent a small fraction of the JL audience, which is between 875,000 - 1,250,000 viewers.

Just be patient. Good things come to those who wait.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Thanks for agreeing with me! :) Anyway, the wait can't be that long! The worst it could be is airing between Transformers Armada in August and Kids Next Door in November.

[GL2k2]

I'm not really going to boycott, I gotta catch Adult Awim on Saturdays. But let there be no doubt, I am still steaming mad about this.

[sulimo]

Well, we saw the conclusion to 'Injustice to All' in Australia tonight and overall I think it was pretty good.

The way the story panned out did raise a few questions regarding motivations though.

The main thing was the motivations behind the Ultra-humanite, and his decision to backstab Lex in return for cash from Batman while at the same time building Lex's armour. Actually the whole thing of Batman getting inside the heads of Grundy, Ultra-humanite & Cheetah - I'm not sure I really liked it, especially with getting Grundy & the Ultra-humanite to fight over money.

I loved the brief cameo by the Wonder Twins though. And Lex's armour was just cool.

[The Electric Knight]

Guys, I can understand this getting some of you a little miffed, but I think you're going too far with "steaming mad" and "P.O.ed" and talking about boycotting. Is it that much of an insult to you that it airs in another country first? Let's face it, you guys have got it good entertainment wise. It can take a loooong time for things to get their way over here, whereas you get 99.9% of stuff first.

The internet has sped things up a little here, but I still had to wait 1 month and three days to see Spider-Man. And UK is still waiting. Does that mean we boycott cinemas? No. We just accept it, because that's the way it is. Losing hair over it is just a waste of well...hair. ;) It makes sense marketing wise for them to delay Spider-Man here, so that it's still running during national school holidays in June. As with how Jim explained, that the Injustice For All video game means that showing the ep then will be a better marketing ploy. Whereas here, I don't think the possible revenue from that video game would be enough for CN-Australia to bother.

I think some of you are building this ep up into wayy more than what it really is, and many will be really disappointed because you have your hopes so high. I have the second episode on tape so I'm going to watch it soon, then I'll post my opinions :)

TEK

[RJLundeen]

CN is starting to piss me off. There have been some really good episodes but a couple clunkers as well. Then they have the audacity to hold back four freakin' adventures and show nothing but reruns for five months? They better get their act together.

[BLACKHEART]

This news doesn't sit well with me

[John6777]

I have a plan everyone on this Message Board Email CN saying how Outrages you are if they get enough emails they might show it.

[Joe Wagner]

Welcome to the boards John6777 - please be sure to check out the rules.

As for Injustice 4 All I'm sure that we'll get to see the episode eventually and I'm sure CN knows about the fan base they have here (seeing as how they do check it out periodically). Unfortunately it's not worth getting riled up for because by the time the campaign would be over it's likely to be August - the same month that a lot of the unseen episodes are likely to be aired to coincide with their new schedule (with premeires like He-Man and TF: Armada).

Let's think about it this way - at least we know CN finished the episode now - meaning we'll see it eventually.

-Joe!

[Ms. Kitty]

:yawn: You guys shouldn't make a big deal about this ep. So what if it hasn't aired in the U.S. yet. Heck I think you got pretty good so far with having new eps. of Zeta Projt., Jackie Chan and X- Men Evol. ect. Up here we STILL :o :mad: :( don't have the second seasons of these shows, crappy time slots for others, and some that we don't have *and may never get* :( (STAS, Big-O, Cowboy-BB, JL ect.) SO BE PATIENT :D !!

[Conduit]

Did you say there was a..... :eek:

breif cameo by the wonder twins? Whoa! what did they look like?

[ClockStomper]

I think what Cartoon Network is doing is ridiculous. Injustice for All should have been aired in production order, especially since there's already been a two parter that depends upon the audience having seen the episode.

The rage is stemming from the fact that there is no reason for the delay. There's no objectionable content or delays in production.


Just be patient. Good things come to those who wait.

But there's the question "Why should we wait?" when it was meant to air awhile ago. They were supposed to have aired in January before "Paradise Lost" (according to the World's Finest Guide.) So it's not like we're being impatient for episodes coming in the fall or next season, it's one we're supposed to have seen.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by ClockStomper
The rage is stemming from the fact that there is no reason for the delay. There's no objectionable content or delays in production.

While the episode is in the can, there is a reason for it's delay. The episode is going to be used, as currently schedule, as a cross promotion for the upcoming Justice League: Injustice For All Gameboy Color video game. The episode was going to air way back when, but CN pulled it at the last minute to us it as a cross promotion - which is actually a fairly common practice.

[Brian Cruz]

I got in touch with the actual Vice President in charge of Programming & Scheduling at Cartoon Network. Here's what she had to say:



Hi Brian,

I'm Terry Kalagian, VP of Programming & Scheduling for Cartoon Network U.S. Laurie Goldberg passed on your email to me.

I just wanted to respond by saying first, we are not aware of the times Justice League airs in other countries. As you know, the rights for shows (even Cartoon Cartoons) are usually different by each country or territory. The other Cartoon Networks in other countries have rights to many programs we do not and to some that we do. Obviously they have the right to air what they want, when they want. In some territories, our shows are also syndicated on terrestrial networks and we (the U.S. network) don't know hardly anything about them.

Speaking for the U.S. network, there are occasions when we hold back episodes for special occasions (as in the case of Justice League) while the other networks don't. You can tell fans that we plan to air these Justice League episodes before the fall. Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

-tk

[Red]

That's Great! I hope their right!

[ClockStomper]

What irks me is that he didn't talk about the episode by name...he just said "these shows" will be aired by fall. For all we know he could be talking about episodes 20-26.

And "special occasions" I guess is corprate talk for "cross promotion"! :mad:

I wonder if holding off on Justice League: Injustice For All Gameboy Color video game will help sales at all. Just the name Justice League will get kids to buy it (or not buy it.) I don't see how airing it later will help sales, Batman Vengence had no tie ins and did fine. And the BB:ROTJ game tanked even with the movie out cause the game sucked.

Plus they can repeat the episode around the launch date anyway. That's what they're planning to do with "Enemy Below", re-air it around the time of the JLA Aquaman storyline.

I guess this e-mail might be good news, but I'm not getting my hopes up. *Remember ROTJ debacle* :rolleyes:

[The Electric Knight]

"Why should we wait"? I'm sorry, but that sounds unbelievably arrogant. Why should you wait? Well because you should be thankful that you're getting the show fullstop. Because the episode isn't part of a series arc, they can stand alone, and you don't need to see it in order. I honestly can't believe how raged people are getting over two episodes which will be played in a few months over there.

I'm still waiting for Blade II and Death to Smoochy to hit cinemas here. The latter of which doesn't even have posters up in the lobby yet. Why should I wait? Well because there isn't much of an alternative and when it gets here it will still be the same movie, which can be enjoyed the same way. Until then, I've got other movies to attend to ;)

[Meow]

I guess as long as they play it before the fall, I'm alright with it.

He better be talking about I4A too though. ClockStomper's right. Maybe he isn't including I4A in the episodes that will play before fall! :eek: He should be though. I mean, that's the episode everyone really wants to see, right?

Oh well, I've waited this long, so I guess I can wait longer. (it's not like I have a choice...)

[The Electric Knight]

Just watched part 2, liked it more than the first part.

I was surprised with Cheetah and Batman kissing, but she played a good role. It's good to see another cat woman around ;) Of course, their dialogue together seemed really rushed but that's a given with only 20 minutes. Batman seemed to be buttering them all up, but didn't do anything with it really, except for the last time. It was fun to watch anyways though. I also think the animation was a lot better in this one, that could just be me, but it seemed a little more fluid, especially with Joker's expressions. Lex's armour seemed I dunno...so retro. It was cool but could have been better.

As usual I didn't really like the dialogue between the JL themselves...it's so cliche, and corny really. I hope it gets better. The usual "not if I can help it" and "WAIT!", action-movie stuff like that could be way better.

The Ultra-Humanite also played a great role.

[ClockStomper]

m still waiting for Blade II and Death to Smoochy to hit cinemas here. The latter of which doesn't even have posters up in the lobby yet. Why should I wait? Well because there isn't much of an alternative and when it gets here it will still be the same movie, which can be enjoyed the same way. Until then, I've got other movies to attend to

The "well at least you guys get to see stuff first so you forfeit any right to voice your opinions" argument is lame.

Okay...release for the entire series and holding back on an episode are two different things. The series was released in your country (or province or whatever) later than in the U.S., I get that. In your case they waited to start the whole series later, but they did not alter the episode order or continuity by doing so.

However, C.N. is changing the production order it was intended to be shown in. i'm not complaining about it taking a long time for episodes 20-26 to be shown. I'm saying an episode indended by the creators to be shown BEFORE "Fury" needs to be shown since it was supposed to have aired in January (based on the World's finest guide numbering.)

It's nowhere as near a big deal as the ROTJ debackle, but it is a dumb move by CN to yank an episode (that would be later refrenced in continuity) for "a special occasion."

(Oh, and not seeing Death to Smoochy isn't a big loss, it bombed. Go support "Insomnia", a better Williams movie, it's brilliant and by the same guy who directed "Memento") And cheer up TEK, you get to still see good shows like "24" over the summer, and you guys get DVDs earlier too.

[sulimo]

Originally posted by The Electric Knight
"Why should we wait"? I'm sorry, but that sounds unbelievably arrogant. Why should you wait? Well because you should be thankful that you're getting the show fullstop. Because the episode isn't part of a series arc, they can stand alone, and you don't need to see it in order. I honestly can't believe how raged people are getting over two episodes which will be played in a few months over there.

I wonder how they will react when we start reviewing episodes 18-26 before they're shown in the US (which probably will happen given new eps are shown here 5 nights a week) :)

[Meow]

Originally posted by sulimo


I wonder how they will react when we start reviewing episodes 18-26 before they're shown in the US (which probably will happen given new eps are shown here 5 nights a week) :) Eh.. *waves hand in dismissal* I don't care much about those episodes. I'm fine with waiting for those. It's just the holding back of I4A that's got me annoyed.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Believe it or not, there is one show that gets delayed more than "Injustice For All", and that is the Birdman episode: "Shaggy Busted." It's easy to understand why, though, I'm surprised Warner Brothers allowed "Shaggy Busted" to ever be made.

[Squall]

Could someone please, please post the basic plots for Parts I and II? :) :) Also, how many times did we get to see a JL vs. IG melee break out? Were they cool? And the mention of

the Wonder Twins making a guest appearance

was just a joke, right? (I hope so.) But if it's true -- what on Earth do they have to do with the story, and how are they included??? Was it just a cameo appearance or what??? :confused:

[sulimo]

Originally posted by Squall
Could someone please, please post the basic plots for Parts I and II? :) :) Also, how many times did we get to see a JL vs. IG melee break out? Were they cool? And the mention of[

OK Prepare to be spoiled...

Firstly wrt fights, there is one major fight in each episode. As for my quip about the Wonder Twins, in the final battle a statue of the twins gets in the way and is smashed during the fight.

Now for an overall plot overview...

Essentially in episode 1 Lex is captured/jailed by the JL and finds out hes dying from Kryptonite poisoning. Lex then gets the Ultrahumanites help to escape. Thereafter he organises for Cheetah, Copperhead, Solomon Grundy, Star Saphire and The Shade to meet the two of them and offer them the job of taking out Superman and the JL.

They then setup an ambush for the JL, whereupon Copperhead is captured but he manages to poison Batman. Back at the watchtower, Batman is given an antidote for the poisn and told to rest whilst Superman & Flash go and question Copperhead. Batman ups and leaves, despite MM's protests.

Later, the IG have a meeting which the Joker interupts offering his services in exchanging for getting Batman, noting how he knows how Batman thinks picking a homing device up which Batman had planted on Lex.

The IG setup an ambush for Batman, which he takes and is surprised by the Joker and is knocked out.

Episode II starts with the IG questioning a now tied-up Batman, where they try and get passcode to the watchtower. Batman manages to sow descent amongst some of the IG, who take turns guarding Batman. In particular Grundy, the Ultra-humanite and Cheetah (who has some kissing action with Batman).

Eventually they get Batmans utility belt open which has a passkey. Lex then sends some of the IG off to plant a bomb in the watchtower. They surprise MM and plant the bomb, although MM amanges to warn the others that the watchtower had been compromised.

The rest of thge JL charge back to the Watchtower. they find MM out cold and Batman missing. The JL then gets a tip that there's a bomb...evryone searched and its found in the nick of time. Its thrown clear just in time.

Thereafter Batman tricks Grundy into helping disable a device which has shielded him from MM's telepathy. Meanwhilst Lex is installed in his power armour. They then prepare to the JL assault, and Cheetach is captured by Lex and co - she's accused of telling the JL about the bomb. Security footage is checked and her kiss with Batman is on film. She's given to Grundy to play with.

The JL then arrive at IG's base. Big fight ensues, and just as Lex is about kill Superman he shot from behind by the Ultra-humanite (he made a deal with Batman for double his fee he was getting from Lex).

The IG is captured, with the exception of the Joker who goes off to kill Batman. Unfortunately, Batman was never really trapped and he beats the crap out of Joker.

The End.

[Squall]

Thank you! :D I'm sure glad that

the whole "Wonder Twins" thing was just a statue.... (whew) I hated those two characters! Maybe the destruction of the "Wonder Twins" statues during the JL vs. IG fight was a way for Timm & Co. to say "we're destroying the corny 'Superfriends' way and doing this the right way -- the 'Justice League' way. :D

Thanks again! :D

[Knight]

Sulimo thanks for the breakdown. The plot of the episode sounds great and what Batman does in it sounds like typical Batman methods of operation.Batman planting bugs and using his mind to deceive The Injustice Gang members. It reminds me of When Harly had him captured in "Mad Love" and he worked her mind so that she would call the Joker.

[Joe Wagner]

After reading the over view for the arc I'm really looking forward to seeing I4A air over here - it sounds like one of the better JL:TAS episodes and with guests like Joker and LL we all know it can't stray to far off course.

As for the Wonder Twins brief appearance - I wonder if that's why WB decided to make a movie, seeing as how if they have a special guest spot on JL:TAS they must be popular.

-Joe!

[Justice League 2000]

don"t tell me your joking that wonder twins are in IFA. if they are I am going to be so mad :mad: bruce timm say in tv guide before justice league came on on 11-17-2001 timm say no wonder twins is not going to be in JLTAS.

[DarkLantern]

I told everyone that the Wonder Twins wouldn’t last 5 seconds on the show, but did they believe me? No…

The Dark Lantern

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

There's just one thing I want to know...

Did the Joker fight back at all when Batman was kicking the crap out of him at the end of the second episode? Did the JL watch?

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
There's just one thing I want to know...

Did the Joker fight back at all when Batman was kicking the crap out of him at the end of the second episode? Did the JL watch?

I'll answer that:

Yes. And no.

[BeastBoyWonder]

Originally posted by DarkLantern
I told everyone that the Wonder Twins wouldn’t last 5 seconds on the show, but did they believe me? No…

The Dark Lantern

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I've been kind of ignoring this thread because I don't want to get too much spoiled for me...I hope that I4A airs here in America soon.

[James Harvey]

One thing I am really looking forward to is the Mark Hammill's vocal performance as the Joker. I doubt he'll ever be able to beat his work on Return of the Joker, but I am interested to see how he'll sound. I know that may sound weird, as we already know what he sounds like, but this time he'll be with a plethora of other villians and...well...I'm used to seeing him more as the big bad Gotham villian then apart of a villian team.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I'm mostly excited about seeing Joker and Luthor together again. The other villains are okay, but Luthor and Joker excites me the most. Solomon Grundy is probably the second best...second to Luthor and Joker.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
I'm mostly excited about seeing Joker and Luthor together again. The other villains are okay, but Luthor and Joker excites me the most. Solomon Grundy is probably the second best...second to Luthor and Joker.


I would like to see them somehow acknowledge the events of World's Finest if they can - maybe just a nod to it, even. I just gotta keep cool about this episode - I don't wanna get all overblown on it and be dissapointed when I see it.

[Meow]

Yea, I want to see how the other badguys will react when Joker "invites" himself into the gang. (especially Luthor)

[GL2k2]

Actually, as long as Luthor doesn't say something to Joker like "who the hell are you?", then we know that WF took place in JL continuity. But I too would like to have them have some kinda referrence to WF, like "here we go again" or something, anything.

[Batman 80]

Forget Joker and Luthor, I wanna see Shade and Grundy.

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Jim Harvey



I would like to see them somehow acknowledge the events of World's Finest if they can - maybe just a nod to it, even. I just gotta keep cool about this episode - I don't wanna get all overblown on it and be dissapointed when I see it.

I4A does acknowledge World's Finest, but doesn't mention it. Lex and Joker do know each other, and this episode does play on Luthor's disdain toward the Joker.

The Dark Lantern

---

"Why, Lexy, I'm hurt. How could you even have this little party without inviting ME?"

"This isn't a party."

[James Harvey]

Excellent. I think this will be an enjoyable episode. Timm has told me abit about it and a nice enjoyable story.

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Excellent. I think this will be an enjoyable episode. Timm has told me abit about it and a nice enjoyable story.

I've really enjoyed this episode as well, despite the few, albeit minor, flaws in the story*. I can't wait until everybody sees it so I can talk more freely about it.

The Dark Lantern

---

"What do you take me for -- a troglodyte?"


*To be honest, I've never come across a show, any show, that didn't have at least one minor flaw in it. But they don't interfere with the entertainment factor -- despite what my "Double Takes" reputation may tell you. Though for some, picking at the flaws is a form of enjoyment in itself...

[Squall]

Well, I still have a major question for all you people who were lucky enough to already see "Injustice For All"...

Why didn't the Injustice Gang kill Batman once he was captured, and held in a prison that blocked Martian Manhunter's telepathy? I can remember Joker's line, "Um, hello... HE'S ALIVE!"

[Clark]

To those of you who have seen I4A...


Did Luthor have that gun in a shoulder holster? Did he use it?

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Clark
To those of you who have seen I4A...


Did Luthor have that gun in a shoulder holster? Did he use it?

Well...

He did whip it out, but didn't have a chance to fire it. His gun looked a lot like an old German luger to me...

The Dark Lantern

[Divv]

It looks like I4A is gonna air over here on Saturday. I thought CNUK might've shown it tonight, but it looks like their weeknight showings are taking a seperate run and are going from the start (Secret Origins part 1 was shown tonight).

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

one more question:

how did each IG member react when Joker appeared?

[DKstormyknight]

I can't wait for INJUSTICE FOR ALL too air in the us so I can see it. I love Batman and am looking forward to the Joker.

[James Harvey]

I just got word that Injustice For All has aired in India as well. ALl foreign CN viewers - check your local CN if they are airing JL!

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
I just got word that Injustice For All has aired in India as well. ALl foreign CN viewers - check your local CN if they are airing JL!

India!? The suspence is killing me! When will it air in the US?

[Meow]

I can't wait for INJUSTICE FOR ALL too air in the us so I can see it. I love Batman and am looking forward to the Joker. Yea ditto. We haven't seen Mr. J in action for awhile. Although he is "in action" more than the rest of Batman's villians...we still haven't seem him since that Static Shock episode.

I am eagerly awaiting his appearance. :D


I just got word that Injustice For All has aired in India as well. ALl foreign CN viewers - check your local CN if they are airing JL!

Ha ha! It looks like it's going to air in every other country before we get to see it.

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Squall
Well, I still have a major question for all you people who were lucky enough to already see "Injustice For All"...

Why didn't the Injustice Gang kill Batman once he was captured, and held in a prison that blocked Martian Manhunter's telepathy? I can remember Joker's line, "Um, hello... HE'S ALIVE!"

Luthor's response: "And he will stay that way until I say we don't need him anymore." Or something along that line... I am going by memory, and I only watched it once...a long, long time ago...

The Dark Lantern

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"Take it from someone who knows: don't wait... do it now."

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
one more question:

how did each IG member react when Joker appeared?

Pretty much the same way anyone would react to someone just marching in a private meeting unannounced -- albeit silently. Only Luthor had the guts to actually be vocal about it.

Dark Lantern

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"And they say I'M crazy..."

[Divv]

Well I saw part 1 this morning, and loved it. Hammill is awesome and the Luthor story has me hooked. I also loved the little contiuity nods included - Luthor's office and the TNBA Batmobile. I'll get back to you all with my final thoughts after part 2 tomorrow.

[AngelStar]

:( *sits down and cries* Wah, it's NOT fair! You guys overseas get to see it! *sniff* It sounds like an awsome ep too...

[D-Mono]

How amusing. It would seem that an episode entitled "Injustice For All" is finally giving we international fans a bit of justice. We're always left in the lurch as far as new episodes are concerned, so it's nice to have the tables turned for once. :D
D-Mono.

[Divv]

Well, just finished watching part 2. It was weaker than part one but still an awesome episode in its own right. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this Luthor story develops. Definitely the best JL story-arc so far.

[Dark_Batman89]

With all these spoilers and stuff, I would kill to se both parts!

[Dapo]

Squall,

They needed Batman's knowledge to get into the watchtower and Lex did not want to get rid of Bats before he had done the others in first, remeber Supes is the one Luthor hates the most not Bats, Bats was just a means to an end for Luthor.

[Salvor]

I've already seen I4A part 1 and will see part two a bit later. I have to say I liked it... and considering I dislike this series more and more, this is a huge compliment.

The opening scene was really impressive, nice reference to the past in Luthor's office, good old fashioned Superman/Luthor chase in the city (which reminded me of Brave New Metropolis'). I won't give away much of the rest but it was entertaining, still not great (mainly because of the lack of exciting character interactions between the JL members), but better than usual: the Injustice Gang was well portrayed, Batman got a much bigger part in the story than in the previous eps, the Superman/Batman animosity was brought up again (I guess we haven't seen much of that since 'Secret Origins part one'!), Luthor was definitely the most interesting villain of the whole series.

Several things still make me cringe: the music is getting worse and worse. For instance, when the Joker appears, instead of M. J's amazing theme, they play a barely noticeable "funny" music which totally ruins his entrance (it slows down the pace). Another big letdown: the animation is very uneven. Especially on the characters (Luthor looks horrible, then looks good, then looks awful... same goes for Superman and most of the characters)

Overall a nice improvement but as a general rule, Timm needs to rework his designs and streamline them (again!) so that the animation gets smoother. Though as far as the script is concerned, this is the kind of quality story the JL should always offer.

[D-Mono]

Well, I finally managed to locate a copy of the episode(s) (as most of you will know, due to my still gallery :)), and I did enjoy it, a lot. It wasn't outstanding, but it was very good, and extremely cool. Lex's kryptonite armour was fantastic and had a real aesthetic appeal to it. I also loved the Humanite's voice - very Hannibal Lecter. The character was great too - genteel, urbane, but not afraid to get into fisticuffs. :)
The Joker was a definate boon to the story, and, although I do agree with what Salvor said about the uneveness of the animation, I was impressed by the fluidity of movement the animators afforded the Joker. It was like the perfect amalgam of the TNBA Joker's skittishness and freedom of expression and the perfect design of the post-ROTJ Joker. :) I also found the Joker to be tad more creepy than his usual fare, and I'm certain there's a lingering reminance of the ROTJ Joker - that DTV definately has made a lasting, unshirking impression upon the chacter, in animated form at least. The open razor-blade made me cringe slightly. :)
The only other gripe was that, again like Salvor said, the music that reflected the Joker's entrance could have been a lot more potent, and his theme would have worked perfectly here.
Nevertheless, overall it's been one of the most enjoyable episodes to date. :)
D-Mono.

[Kets]

I seen the episode and I have to say I'm extremily disapointed.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the episode was very poorly done. the writers took zero time to develop any of the new villians, especially the Joker who magically walks in on the villians unexpectedly.

From Lex throwing dynamite out of his pocket, to Batman falling for one of the dumbest traps I've ever seen the Joker set, the episode was the biggest dissapointment I've had for any series (Batman, Superman, and Batman Beyond)


for those who want to know what happens now, here's a summery of the episode (if you dont want a spoiler, DONT read this)

the episode begins with Lex being cought confessing to Superman his major crime, and his empire coming to an end, except he has a seisure while escaping. Yes that's right, Lex has a fatal disease from over exposure to the kryptonite hes been carrying around for years. so he magically hotwires the tv in his cell and talks to the inmate next to him, Humanoid (the gorilla man). Then using an electic floor that the gorilla man magically built in 2 minutes, they escape to the city, where Lex pulls sticks of dynamite out of his pocket to throw into a building to destract the cops. then Lex decides to round up some unknown villians (Grundy, Magic guy, Copperhead, Cheetah, and Lady who shoots pink rays) to destroy the Justice League. After a failed battle, Lex and the group escape back to their hideout only to be interupted by none other than the Joker, who magically walks in uninvited claiming he knows how batman thinks and can help the team. pulling a bat-tracer off Lex's back, the Joker grins as he sets up his master plot.....as Batman enters the hideout the Joker proceeds to.....SNEAK UP BEHIND HIM AND HIT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH A BAG OF ROCKS. a sad day for the dark knight....and it is To Be Continued...

[Squall]

I've seen D-Mono's screengrabs and the full plot description, scene-by-scene, on the "Injustice For All" talkback thread, and I think it's a really cool episode!

I think Batman fell for Joker's trap because (1) he had no idea that Joker was even involved with Luthor's gang, and (2) sometimes Batman thinks so hard about being prepared for complex traps and strategies, he sometimes forgets to watch his back in the most obvious places. (It seems that really smart people typically have this trait -- absent mindedness, if you will.)

Luthor is really smart, and Ultra-Humanite is a genius. Why wouldn't they be able to work together to break out of prison? It shows shortsightedness on the Metropolis police's part to keep them both in regular security prisons, and near each other. And I tend to think that scenes that take place one after the other don't always happen instantaneously. Perhaps they worked for several hours or a couple of days on their escape plan, but due to TV time contraints, we just go straight from "Let's make a plan" to the big escape? (Another example of this TV 'time-warping' is Batman/Superman, "World's Finest" -- I think "World's Finest takes place over at least a week, maybe two weeks.)

[Karkull]

You'll forgive me if I edit your post a little. We try to limit talk about bootleg episodes (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=39038) as much as we can. Second, we already have a thread dedicated to the discussion of Injustice For All, so I will merge this post in with that one.

That said, welcome to the boards, Kets! Please read the forum rules and enjoy your visits.

[the green flashlight]

I just saw the episode and I think that Timm and Co. must be reading my posts. My earlier post (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15665)


12-31-2001 09:25 PM
Luthor in Injustice

I think that his current condition will have to do with Kryptonite poisoning. In the comics, Luthor gets cancer from wearing a Kryptonite ring. This could explain why Luthor has to wear the suit.

One thing that I think would be cool is if in this time period Luthor's corporate empire has fallen. This would make Luthor an even more dangerous villian because he would be consumed with wanting vengence for everything he had being taken away from him.

I think it would be neat to see him more like the Superman: The Movie Luthor in that he is in hiding.


I thought that it was a good episode. I think I might have been let down if I had to wait until fall to see it. I liked how Batman went off trying to prove himself, and eventually did so effectively. I think that it should have been a three parter though, so they could have added a bit more development for the villians. Also it apparent that they aren't going to have GL and Star Sapphire have any history to their relationship.

[Squall]

I wonder though... what was that Joker used to hit Batman from behind In "Injustice For All", Part I? Was that a mallet? A suitcase? What was that?

Also, was any plot-point reason ever given for why the Injustice Gang didn't unmask Batman once they captured him? Or was it just one of those things that we're not supposed to ask about? :p (He wasn't unmasked in "The Trial", "Mad Love", "Almost Got 'Im", etc. either when the villians had their chance, so if Timm & Co. didn't provide an explanation this time, then oh well... :p )

[czyznyck99]

Geez people, we are already pushing one hundred replys, and the majority of us haven't even seen this episode yet!!

That is scary.

Just from seeing how long this thread has been at the top, the episode is going to feel like a repeat when the North Americans finally get it.

Later.

[Kets]

To answer your question Squall, it was a carry bag of rocks. which is so simple and lame, it's the perfect weapon for the joker, but I'm sketical on why Batman fell for such a stupid trap as having Joker sneak up on him like that. when we've seen him backfist soo many henchmen who've tried the same thing.

I will say that it's definitely the best JL episode yet

[Reed Richards]

After having seen I4A, I'd like to let the Batman fans out there that they are not missing much. Not only is The Batman taken by surprise at least twice, but one time he is clubbed with a large sack of rocks. I have read complaints in the past about the Batman being overpowered, but the pendelum swung too far the other way in this episode-- not only did he seem pretty dumb, but his fighting skills were worthless-- the only person he beat was Joker.

The fight scenes were, for the most part, lackluster (except for the final fight where Superman goes wild on Grundy-- believe me you'll understand why Grundy wants no part of the League in Fury after seeing how Superman beats him like a redheaded stepchild.)

Powers in this episode are TERRIBLY underused. Superman only throws punches. WW only lassos. HG flys around and swings her mace. Star Sapphire only shoots little shots with her gem. etc etc.

Character value: Frankly this episode would have been better had they simply removed HG, WW and MM from it. They wasted time that would have been better spent on showing more Superman/Batman/Flash fighting action.

Style of the Episode: Was it meant to be farsical? serious? I certainly cant tell. One minute im seeing Grundy and Humanite rolling on the floor like school-kids fighting over an apple at lunch, the next Hawkgirl is making references to The Flash's sexual prowess and stamina. A VERY uneven flow to this episode, coupled with a poor score, really dragged this one down.

Final Verdict : This episode was GOOD, but FAR FAR from GREAT. Sorry fellow Bat-fans but considering this is a Bat-centered episode, we kinda get the short end of the stick. On the other hand, Superman (whom I am also a big fan of) gets to lay a beat-down on someone FINALLY (and its shown) so that is a plus. Uneven flow, sense of attitude, and poor use of characters makes this one a dissapointment (compared to the hype) but not a BAD episode per se.

With this episode, here is how my rankings look.

1. Legends
2. Brave and the Bold
3. Enemy Below
4. Secret Origins
5. Injustice For All
6. Fury
7. Warworld
8. Paradise Lost

[warmachine04]

"Injustice for All" hits Latin America. After much wait, I had my chance to see this most-talked episode. I really liked it. Seeing all those villians in just one episode was great. The brawl in the Fed. building, the great dialogue and Batman proving that superpowers are not necessary for a superhero. Great episode from start to finish. Not the best but it ranks as one of my top 5 episodes of the series. Bring out part 2. :) :) :) :) / :) :) :) :) :)

[Batman 80]

This was a great two part episode. The best of season 1. Animation was good and the fight scenes were well done. I think everyone will enjoy this episode, I know I did.

[Reed Richards]

the best part by FAR was when:

Superman laid a beating down on Grundy that the zombie would never forget-- he references it in Fury: "I dont wanna fight the Justice League again"

[warmachine04]

Originally posted by Reed Richards
the best part by FAR was when:

Superman laid a beating down on Grundy that the zombie would never forget-- he references it in Fury: "I dont wanna fight the Justice League again"

Thanks for the spoiler. I saw part 1 last saturday and I was hoping for a rematch between Superman and Grundy. Grundy went all out on Supes in part 1. Also how did Flash hold up? This is refering to the opening from Brave and the Bold. I will definately check out part 2 this weekend. :)

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Batman 80
This was a great two part episode. The best of season 1. Animation was good and the fight scenes were well done. I think everyone will enjoy this episode, I know I did.

I went ahead and merged your thread with the original talkback thread.

[BeastBoyWonder]

That's funny, I'm remembering Flash's comment at the beginning of the Brave and the Bold regarding Grundy, but after watching I4A I don't really remember the Flash ever facing off against Grundy in either of the two "large" fights, but i could be mistaken.

[Batman 80]

The Grundy Superman battle was good. How do you make the spoiler box?

[Jimmy Kustes]

End the sentence with [/spoiler] and begin it with [spoiler]

[warmachine04]

I remmember a brief momment in part 1 of Flash doing circles around Grundy. It was before the villians decided to split.

[Squall]

How does everyone know that it was a suitcase full of rocks that Joker used to hit Batman from behind in "Injustice For All" Part I? Did Joker tell Luthor, "I'm gonna hit old Bat-Boy with my handy suitcase full of rocks!" Luthor replies, "You're kidding, I hope," then Jokrer replies, "Do I look like I'm kidding? [laughs]" Did Joker or someone else actually say on-screen that it was a suitcase full of rocks?

Also, when does the Batmobile makes its first appearance? Is it in Part I and Part II? Or just one Part?

:confused:

[Reed Richards]

Squall:

Batmobile is only in one shot in part 1

as for the sack of rocks, after he clubs the batman with them, he empties it down on the rest of the IG

[BeastBoyWonder]

I liked the Joker's character, like the way he acted etc., but I didn't like his voice as much as I usually do. It seemed almost hoarse...i first noticed it when he said "and they say I'm crazy"...i dont think its what it used to be. Still, he was one of the highlights of the episode for me.

[ravidubey]

You know it was full of rocks because... [SPOILER] Joker during his crazy laugh to end episode one spills the rocks out of the bag onto the floor from high up on the landing he KO'd Batman from./spoiler

[warmachine04]

Just saw part 2. I have to organize my list of top 5 episodes on JL. It was great. To "Reed Richards", you were right about being your favorite part. For those who have been unsatisfied on Superman's powers, you must see this episode. Batman's role was another good aspect of the show. My only complain was that Flash couldn't have a bigger momment in the big brawl. Overall, this episode scores a: :) :) :) :) 1/2 / :) :) :) :) :)

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Near the end did it end with Batman just knocking out Joker or did the JL say some lines to Batman as the episode ended

[maxnugget]

I just saw I4A, and thought I'd throw in my two cents.

There was some nice moments with Batman that helped establish his character somewhat, although there were a few parts that seemed uncharacteristic of him. I don't want to unnecessarily spoil any details of the episode, so I'll leave it at that.

I think this is one of those episodes that, under normal circumstances, would garner a positive and enthusiastic response from most people and would be enjoyed by all. However. with the massive, massive hype that's been built up by everyone here, I think a lot of people will be disappointed.

If there's one thing that was dead-on in this episode though, it's the characterization of the Joker. He had a very menacing aspect to him.

I have a lot of specific comments about this episode, but I'm going to wait until we've ALL seen it, because, as I said earlier, just by mere discussion of the episode, we're taking away from the enjoyment of those who have yet to see it.

[optimuslives]

I just got through watching both eps and I would have to say that these are the best two eps of the series so far.

Joker is awesome and the whole Luthor subplot is an interesting story arc.

The Shade is cool...I want to see more of him.


When it airs here in the US you won't be disappointed

[JChampion]

For anyone who has seen the episode? Upcoming minor spoiler alert!!!!Did anyone else catch the little Reservior Dogs tribute w/Joker and Batman after Bats was captured by the Injustice gang? My friends and I died laughing!!!!

[JChampion]

Best part however was Batman kicking in the Injustice Gang after playing possum with them through almost the whole episode. Hands down ....Best JL so far...cannot wait to see Savage time.

[rabidkittyspike]

JChampion -
Thanks! :D I will now and forever be hearing Stealer’s Wheels' “Stuck in the middle with you" ever time I see that seen.

You’re right - this has to be the best episode for me too. I love the second part and Batman playing mind games on the Injustice Gang.

I just wanna know one thing…. What is it with Batman & cats? ;)

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Batman's Biggest Fan
Near the end did it end with Batman just knocking out Joker or did the JL say some lines to Batman as the episode ended

Neither.

the Dark Lantern

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"This program was made possible by a grant from the Ultra-Humanite... and from viewers like you."

[Young Justice]

Originally posted by rabidkittyspike
JChampion -

I just wanna know one thing…. What is it with Batman & cats? ;)

In one word: Catwoman.

[Knight]

Having recently seen this 2 part storyline I must say it is indeed very good some things that caught my attention were-

*The fight scenes were very well animated. Superman looks very good in part 2 and is basically manhandling Grundy. It was good to see Supes in good light.

*J'onn gets hit by Grundy 2 times and needs medical attention. I thought he could take a lil more punishment than that. I feel They kinda do J'onn wrong sometimes.

*The way Batman plays The Injustice Gang members against each other is amusing and very Batman like. I love it when he tells the Joker he could have escaped at any time. Batmans never really caught is he?

*Supermans lack of intimidation. Copperhead wasn't scared at all. In STAS he was able to get better results.

*The kisses don't stop for Batman this season I've noticed.

*Now correct me if Im wrong but it appeared Luthor and The Ultra Humanite escaped from Strykers which is in Metropolis and not Blackgate which is the Gotham prison. Why was Batman all the way in Metropolis driving around? I found that kind of odd.

All in all still two great eps. Its between this and "Legends" as the best storyline for me.

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Knight
*The fight scenes were very well animated.

Yes they were. I especially liked how heroes and villains "traded partners" during both meelees, making it a true free-for-all, the way it should be.

Definitely better than the Legion of Doom battles, where the Superfriends would usually face off with one arch-foe and then they try to verbally one-up each other.

The Dark Lantern

[JohnStewart-GL]

I loved this episode! I cant wait to see the widescreen when it airs.THe fights were amazing and very well animated. Joker got some great likes i this one. Hamill was great as both Grundy and Joker.

[DCU Bat]

Actually I got 3 questions that were sort of borthering my head...

First off...
Now that Lex Luthor's in jail what's going to happen to Lex corp and the vast empire he worked so hard to build?

Will his company simply cease to exists? Will sombody take over it and Lex works in the background? Something like what happened to Derek Powers in Batman Beyond.

Or could he finally become the presedent like in the comics? The possiblities are endless.

Secondly...

Why exactly did Ultra Humanite double cross Luthor? All I remember was Humanite asking Batman whether he pomised double what luthor was paying.

And then when he was in prison watching opera, the anouncer said "This program was possible by the funding of the Wayne Corperation and Veiwers like you." Did he just want the money for the show?

And finally....

Who's your favorite Injustice member besides Luthor and Joker? Ok fine, This doesn't exactly need a spoiler box and it's not bothering my head.

But it'll be nice to know. My favorite is Ultra Humanite and The Shade. Both have got lot of class!

[DCU Bat]

Oh and to Answer Knight's question...


Now correct me if Im wrong but it appeared Luthor and The Ultra Humanite escaped from Strykers which is in Metropolis and not Blackgate which is the Gotham prison. Why was Batman all the way in Metropolis driving around? I found that kind of odd.

Maybe He drove to Metropolis? I dunno, How close are Gotham and Metropolis?

He can't always use the Jet Y'know? Too expesive even for him :)

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by DCU Bat


Why exactly did Ultra Humanite double cross Luthor? All I remember was Humanite asking Batman whether he pomised double what luthor was paying.

And then when he was in prison watching opera, the anouncer said "This program was possible by the funding of the Wayne Corperation and Veiwers like you." Did he just want the money for the show?



Actually the answer to this question is at the end it comes up - "This program was made possible by funding from the Ultra Humanite and viewers like you."

Basically the Ultra Humanite isn't a stupid person and he took the opportunity to make a larger profit when it became available - besides it made his prision life a little bit more fun by continuing his favorite program.

-Joe!

[Knight]

Originally posted by DCU Bat


First off...


Or could he finally become the presedent like in the comics? The possiblities are endless.



Thats highly unlikely since hes now a felon and has done time in prison.

[Speed Forcer]

actually I didn't reallylike this episode, I thought fury was better


the mad-professor-like-luthor didn't work for me

batman paying humanite to betray luthor ?! that's not the awsome cool batman i remember from batman TAS

[Supremus]

Originally posted by Speed Forcer
actually I didn't reallylike this episode, I thought fury was better


the mad-professor-like-luthor didn't work for me

batman paying humanite to betray luthor ?! that's not the awsome cool batman i remember from batman TAS

Batman didn't really pay Humanite. He just made a big donation in his name to his favorite TV channel. That's vintage Batman. He has done this in the comics on a few occasions as well. That's what's so cool about Batman. He doesn't have superpowers like the other JL'ers, and he is the brains of JL, so he relies on whatever resources are available to him. Batman always has a plan, and it doesn't necessarily mean beating up the baddies. There's no ego involved, it's all about getting the job done, and since the money also went to a fairly good cause, it's all good.

[DarkLantern]

On Batman’s use of funds: Batman used a similar tactic to sway the Mirror Master to his side in the first Injustice Gang arc in Grant Morrisson’s JLA. It worked with the Humanite for the same reason it worked for McCulloch – they were both motivated by money. Also keep in mind that the Humanite really wasn’t all too interested in breaking out of prison and joining Luthor’s gang in the first place.

I'm surprised that people hasn't commented on how much Batman smiles during this episode (I counted at least three times going by memory). I think it made him look all the more creepy -- he should smile more often.

The Dark Lantern

[Supremus]

Originally posted by DarkLantern
On Batman’s use of funds: Batman used a similar tactic to sway the Mirror Master to his side in the first Injustice Gang arc in Grant Morrisson’s JLA. It worked with the Humanite for the same reason it worked for McCulloch – they were both motivated by money. Also keep in mind that the Humanite really wasn’t all too interested in breaking out of prison and joining Luthor’s gang in the first place.

I'm surprised that people hasn't commented on how much Batman smiles during this episode (I counted at least three times going by memory). I think it made him look all the more creepy -- he should smile more often.

The Dark Lantern


Finally someone who gets it :-) And on both occasions, Batman's funds went to good causes, rather than directly to the villains themselves. To me it added an extra dimension to the hero/villain dynamic.

Although I don't want Batman grinning from ear to ear all the time, I also thought it was great that he had a superior little smirk on a few occasions.

In fact, this episode was one of the first times I really felt like Batman was back in character, like he used to be in his own series.

[Knight]

I like what Supremus and Dark Lantern said because that is exactly how Batman is. He'll do whatever he feels is nessasary to win and money is just another tactic in his aresnal.

[Squall]

Originally posted by Knight
Having recently seen this 2 part storyline I must say it is indeed very good some things that caught my attention were-

*Supermans lack of intimidation. Copperhead wasn't scared at all. In STAS he was able to get better results.

*Now correct me if Im wrong but it appeared Luthor and The Ultra Humanite escaped from Strykers which is in Metropolis and not Blackgate which is the Gotham prison. Why was Batman all the way in Metropolis driving around? I found that kind of odd.

All in all still two great eps. Its between this and "Legends" as the best storyline for me.

I don't think that Copperhead was intimidated by Superman because he knew that Superman wasn't really going to crush his skull or anything (Superman's the boy scout, remember?) :p Now, if Batman had been doing the interrogation... :p

Lex Luthor and Ultra-Humanite did escape from Stryker's Island in Metropolis. So why was Batman in Metropolis? Well, for one thing, he's been though there before ("World's Finest", "The Demon Reborn"). I think he was there because, when a man as powerful as Lex Luthor goes to prison and then breaks out, he's a dangerous felon, whether he's behind bars or out on the streets. Batman showed up to see where help was needed, I believe, and found out that not only was his help needed, but Joker had even come to Metropolis as well! :p (Though Batman didn't know Joker was in Metropolis until Joker hit him in the head with a suitcase full of rocks...)

[Knight]

Originally posted by Squall


Lex Luthor and Ultra-Humanite did escape from Stryker's Island in Metropolis. So why was Batman in Metropolis? Well, for one thing, he's been though there before ("World's Finest", "The Demon Reborn").

I knew that. :rolleyes:


I think he was there because, when a man as powerful as Lex Luthor goes to prison and then breaks out, he's a dangerous felon, whether he's behind bars or out on the streets. Batman showed up to see where help was needed, I believe, and found out that not only was his help needed, but Joker had even come to Metropolis as well! :p (Though Batman didn't know Joker was in Metropolis until Joker hit him in the head with a suitcase full of rocks...)

That hadn't occured to me,but that makes sense. Batman must have drove to Metropolis after hearing about the prison break of theses two highly dangerous individuals.

[Squall]

You know, I've always thought that Batman has more than one Batmobile and more than one Batwing in service at one time. I think he has a Batmobile stored away in Metropolis and another one in Central City as well as his original in Gotham City. That way he doesn't have to literally drive from Gotham City to Metropolis! :p He can just take the Batwing, or even one of his private normal planes as Bruce Wayne, to Metropolis or Central City, then break out his hidden Batmobile there once he arrives. :p

[DerekPowers]

Well, I FINALLY SAW 'INJUSTICE FOR ALL'!!!! My bro actually DL it and i couldnt wait till next week and then the week after for pt 2, so i caved and watched it.

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS BELOW!!!



now first off, this was hands down the best JL arc to date. sure, it had its problems (dont all JL eps), but i liked it best.

as far as why bats was in metropolis, it didnt bother me, i mean remember he was there at the very start to bring down luthor originally, so he probably stuck around or went back once luthor was sentenced.

but the whole opening WAS AWESOME!!! STAS all the way!!

the first fight between the JL and the IJG was GREAT!! honestly, that was probably the best fight scene of the series so far, and definately up there w/ some of the best fights from past series. it was great, i was so pleased.

i loved how they addressed batman's being human, that was cool. plus when joker pulls the bat-tracking device off luthors neck, that was classic.

as far as batman falling for their trap, yeah, it was alittle lame, but it happens, and dont forget he was recovering from copperhead's bite. my question is why didnt he inform the other jl members of the IGs location right off the bat??

now for part 2....

i actually liked how batman was playing mind games w/ the IG. i dont know, it seemed alittle too easy for him to do, but it fit his character. it reminded me of Jedi mind tricks.

i also loved how the entire JL was in this arc. it worked. but i was dissapointed not to see GL and Star Saphire face off.

does anyone have any theories on what soloman grundy did w/ cheeta. hmm, that was kind of chilling. Was luthor giving her to him as a play thing, sex toy, what?? that was a cool twist.

Now come my BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT with this arc. it was, sadly, the ending.

I just didnt buy the fact that Ultrahumanite would double cross luthor that easily, and even more, that he'd surrendor!! wouldnt he rather be free than rich and in prison?? and even WORSE, that imo, was very out of character for batman. why did he do it if he could escape the whole time?? im guessing maybe he couldnt really escape right away, but it took him time to figure out those locks, but still, a superhero paying a villian to surrender?? i dont like it. and doesnt that compromise his identity?? someone from gotham who could afford a bribe like that, it doesnt take a genious to put two and two together, plus ultra-humanite IS a genious!!

plus luthor's suit was SOOOOO coool and it was only in it for like 5 seconds. i would so much have rathered it ended w/ luthor battling superman in the suit in an intense match.

does anyone know if his suit was powered by kryptonite? were those green beams kryptonite beams?

i did however like how joker was able to avoid capture and went to finish off the bat in the midst of all that battling. that was classic joker and that last scene where joker goes to kill batman was animated great. joker was very expressive in his facial expression, plus i loved how he wiped out his gun. very cool. plus did anyone notice the batman theme play when he fights joker at the end? sweeeet!

overall, i really didnt feel it was at all campy UNTILL THE VERY END!! did anyone else think luthors line "et tu humanite" was way too corny, plus joker's last line "batman, your dispicable"?? what the hells up with that?? you know, jokers line wasnt SO bad cause hes said things like that before (although a "batman i'll kill you yet" or something would have been better), but luthors was straight up corny, not to mention Humaite's defeat of luthor was so quick and effortless.

i give this arc a 4 our of 5 stars(by justice league standards, mind you, a btas 4 star ep ranks much higher). honestly, if it wasnt for the ending itd be a 5 star ep in my opinion. oh well. but it was the best JL arc so far, hands down. sorry for the ramble, but i hope all of you whove already seen this ep arent tired of talking about it (or reading about it, hehehe :p ). peace.

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
i also loved how the entire JL was in this arc. it worked. but i was dissapointed not to see GL and Star Saphire face off.

does anyone know if his suit was powered by kryptonite? were those green beams kryptonite beams?



Actually, GL and Sapphire did face off in the second battle. Remember the "duck"?

And yes, the green beams were kryptonite -- denoted by Luthor's double-entendre line of "turning a weakness into a strength." (I'm not sure about the suit's power source though.)

The Dark Lantern

[BatGirl2001]

saw it already and i must admit with great pain Batman was a little stupid doing that BUT he always does that on the old shows...so maybe it out of habit

[BatGirl2001]

joker is pretty dumb and i guess since Batman knocked his gun off the Joker's fist would be plumb useless

no i don't think the rest of the JL watched unfinished bisnuess thing i guess


Batman looks so sauve now it COOL and i must say batman is a sweetheary (even if he doesn't show it)

[warmachine04]

This episode was great. Part 1 was good but part 2 definately rocked. :) :) :) :) 1/2 / 5 :)
Main Points:
(+) Having all those supervillians in one episode.
(+) The Joker was actually a teamplayer and had a good role in the episode.
(+) The battle scenes between the league and the Injustice gang were great. Good use of teamwork.
(+) Batman psyches out the supervillians.
(+) Superman pounds Solomon Grundy.
(+) Great ending.

[Anarky]

add my 2 cents:

1. a little oopsy. In part 2 Luthor smashed the tv set w/ the chair he was sitting in, yet the very next scene it was whole again. :-p

2. I'm pretty certain the Metroplis Pictures Store was a little industry gag (perhaps a joke by the producers) on the now defunct Warner Bros Studio Stores, with classical looking cartoon character statues all around and the obvious superhero section highlighted by the Wonder Twins, Jan & Zana (names?). Perhaps in their world, the Wonder Twins are the biggest fictional superheroes around (much like Bats & Supes are in our reality) (sorry Spidey)