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Jack

08-13-2001, 04:26 PM

Actually, it's been posted on the Termite Terrace board that WB is developing a whole slew of Looney Tunes movies, the one you mentioned was supposedly a remake of "The great Race," but with Looney Tunes characters. A Taz Movie and the already mentioned Jackie Chan movie have also been proposed...

I'd still rather see them re-release the old shorts in movie length packages (not compilation movies, though), WB owns them all now. Maybe they're waiting to restore them, but I doubt it.

Jack:rolleyes:

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-13-2001, 04:58 PM

In another topic I said if it would make more sense to release a Looney Toons movie first rather than O. Jones....I take that back now.

Jowy Blight

08-13-2001, 06:55 PM

N-NASCAR.............. I guess the world has now ended. I guess all that's left is to go hang myself in the barn. J/k

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-13-2001, 07:13 PM

Don't hang yourself yet! At least stick around and hear what other junk will be made into Looney Toon movies before you do.

Jack

08-13-2001, 07:26 PM

I'll at least give this movie a go. I sort of hope it's an all animated cartoon. Having the Looney Tune characters kissing up to NASCAR drivers with limited acting ability bothers me for some odd reason. That and the 3D shading they put on everything that's animated to make it blend with the live action.

Jack:D

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-13-2001, 07:33 PM

If 'Osmosis Jones' is any indication, I'm sorry to say it may not be all animated...
....but yeah, I will give the movie a go as well. Maybe, JUST maybe, it won't be that bad. (starts to chuckle at the hopelessness...)

Jowy Blight

08-13-2001, 08:41 PM

At least stick around and hear what other junk will be made into Looney Toon movies before you do.

What could be worst? Will it be football? Or maybe it will be the WWF. ................god no.

happyheathen

08-13-2001, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Jowy Blight

What could be worst? Will it be football? Or maybe it will be the WWF. ................god no.

how about republicans? - I'll take stupid hillbillies over them, anytime...

fyi: NASCAR = stock cars = moonshine runners (how's that for an all-american linage?)

Jack

08-13-2001, 09:49 PM

how about republicans? - I'll take stupid hillbillies over them, anytime...
Well that's not nice...

Jack:D
heathen's bein' a meanie, heathen's bein' a meanie, nya nya...

happyheathen

08-13-2001, 09:51 PM

how 'bout that...

Jack

08-13-2001, 09:54 PM

That'll teach ya to calll hillbillies stupid. It hurts their feelings and makes them cry:(

Personally, I think the worst movie they could ever possibly make with the Looney Tunes would be to pair Bugs up with Scooby Doo. It'd be a horrible, terrible, no good, very bad movie.

Jack:D

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-13-2001, 10:10 PM

Oh no! What if some WB/CN network executive is reading these boards and sees your idea, Jack? He/She coul very well MAKE that idea a reality! (B.B. runs off screaming) NOOOO! NOOOOO!

But that IS a scary idea...:eek:

bushnader666

08-13-2001, 10:26 PM

I think the worst movie they could ever possibly make with the Looney Tunes would be to pair Bugs up with Scooby Doo.

Ack. Ack. Hey, anything's possible now that "liberal" CNN is courting Republicans. Then AOL-TW will merge with GE, GM, and Exxon-Mobile while taking over much of NATO, the entire African continent, and Virginia.

New Satanic Idea: New live-action scooby-doo movie with teen pop singers. That idea just reeks of satan.

happyheathen

08-13-2001, 10:38 PM

Bugs meets Lassie? -

the possible variations are endless...

James Harvey

08-13-2001, 10:52 PM

Don't forget SPY JAM with Jackie Chan that looks to be happening. Geeze -- what's next? MOULIN ROUGE JAM?

Anthonynotes

08-14-2001, 12:44 AM

Sigh....just when I figured in the piece of my own home I could blot out all thought of anything to do with living in the geographic backwater known as Indiana (and all it culturally entails, including a gazillion auto racing fanatics), along comes this. *Sigh*....well, if it actually gets made, I guarantee it'll be all over the news in Indianapolis (and a smash hit around here to boot)...

-B.
Who plans on moving far, far away from here *well* before this film hits the theaters...

happyheathen

08-14-2001, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Brainatra
I guarantee it'll be all over the news in Indianapolis (and a smash hit around here to boot)...

-B.
Who plans on moving far, far away from here *well* before this film hits the theaters...

have hope - I made it out... life after naptown is possible!

Anthonynotes

08-14-2001, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by happyheathen

have hope - I made it out... life after naptown is possible!

So I keep telling myself....(sounding like delusional-Bart did in "Camp Krusty" chanting to himself)...

So you're a former Indy native, happyheathen....why'd you choose San Francisco to motor off to, BTW? Admittedly, I wouldn't mind living there over here (seeing as one of my criteria in looking for another city is someplace as unlike Hoosier culture [socially/politically/economically] as possible), but it seems like most transplants from the midwest to the west coast would opt to go to L.A. (esp. since it's [marginally] cheaper than S.F.). Plus, me moving there makes me conjure up this mental image of "Tales of the City" in my head, a book about a naiive young Cleveland woman who moves to S.F. in the 70's and cavorts with all manner of characters...

-B.
Will move as soon as he has the money...which at this rate will be shortly after the polar icecaps flood the earth...

DR. BELCH

08-14-2001, 02:42 AM

Jowy Blight:
Will it be...the WWF?
From what I've seen--as my brothers are wrestling nuts--the WWF already is a cartoon. Come to think of it, while watching Chuck Jones' "Rabbit Punch", the other night, I couldn't help but think Stone Cold Steve Austin looks a lot like The Crusher....

Printo

08-14-2001, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Don't forget SPY JAM with Jackie Chan that looks to be happening. Geeze -- what's next? MOULIN ROUGE JAM?

I think Chan & looney tunes would be hilarious. They could have a scene where Taz, Jackie & Froghorn Leghorn the Rooster all speak broken english. that would be funny :D

The Mad Hatter

08-14-2001, 09:16 AM

Hm... I wonder what effect the Chan/NASCAR scenarios are having on the last LT movie concept we heard of, the one where the Toons get replaced by Poochie-esque CGI creations? I remember the video game adaptation was well under way circa May. Then again, Entertainment Weekly isn't the most accurate of publications when printing news of upcoming movies...

I have to say, the CGI-replacement idea sounds good... not to mention highly ironic, since WB will gladly sell the Toons out to whichever popular trend of the week (NASCAR)...

James Harvey

08-14-2001, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Printo

I think Chan & looney tunes would be hilarious. They could have a scene where Taz, Jackie & Froghorn Leghorn the Rooster all speak broken english. that would be funny :D

That would likely be one of the few good things about th emovie. If it's anything like SPACE JAM -- it'll be a stinker...

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-14-2001, 12:31 PM

Yes, that would be funny. How about the gang trying to show off by doing martial arts? And Daffy naturally getting the most angry by the lack of skill they discover they have? :D
Maybe a Chan/Looney Toons crossover would not be so bad...I'd watch it for those scenes, at least.

Jowy Blight

08-14-2001, 01:16 PM

Well, I guess Jackie Chan/LT wouldn't be so bad, I mean at least it would be funny.

Matthew Hunter

08-14-2001, 07:03 PM

"Space Jam" was, I think, very clever, innovative, and funny...but, like Daffy says at the end of "Showbiz Bugs"....."I can only do it ONCE." That's the trouble with these movie people...it's easier to copy a past success and, no doubt, do wrong what the original did right, than to do something totally different. Looney Tunes belong in shorts, but they are also quite well equipped for an adventure-type film...why not just have the Looney Tune characters in their own cartoon world where they belong, trying to solve a problem on their own, or even....-GASP- in 2/D?!Or best yet, make new cartoon shorts to go before existing movies? Heck, I LOVE what they've been doing in the D.C. Looney Tunes comics lately. If only those comics could serve as the scripts for new cartoons....wow, it'd be great! But, if they are going to make a new LT film, at least make it without all the new shading/computer techno stuff. And in the name of humanity....no WWF or Jeff Gordon! I can just hear it...."Do you smeww what da Wock's cookin'....wabbit stew! Huhuhuhuhuh!" Oh, GOD no!
-Matthew

Jowy Blight

08-14-2001, 07:19 PM

...."Do you smeww what da Wock's cookin'....wabbit stew! Huhuhuhuhuh!"

If this was to ever happen, I would lose all hope in humanity. And be forced to use that hanging rope..................after everybody else was done with it.

Jack

08-14-2001, 07:35 PM

Short cartoons would be best. It's cute to think all the LT characters live together and are either buddies, or not buddies, but they were created to work in smaller teams...

If they made new shorts, I think there are several guidelines they should follow (IMO, of course)
-Let them make one-shot cartoons, it'll help the directors get a feel for what they can do when they aren't constrained by the well established characters.
-Make equal packages of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies. I've heard that Chuck Jones Film Productions only made Looney Tunes, it would be sad to see the Merrie Melodies name discarded.
-Let them use different designs of the characters, no "official" WB designs, not everyone likes them...
-No more sequels! There's a reason the original directors only made one of a certain cartoon. We don't need a rehash of the first great cartoon.
-More sight gags, talk isn't really funny when the characters do it constantly...
-Don't go about using minor characters or one shot characters. I'd cringe at the thought of ten or so new Hubie and Bertie cartoons, or a series of Louie and Heathcliff cartoons.
-Please! Don't use old gags in a way that makes the characters act as if they've done it 100 times before and it's old hat. I hate the "shoot him" bumper to the "Bugs and Daffy Show," the smirk on Bugs' face says to me: "Say, don't you recognize this gag from the Hunting Trilogy?" Try and put a new angle on it, or at least make the characters act as if it's never happened to them before.
-don't make Daffy nasty and frustrated all the time. That was the one thing I really liked about "Space Jam." Daffy acted a little like Daffy.
-Don't assume running all the time=Looney Tune style. There has to be a build up. That was a big proble with "Box Office Bunny," all the characters move the same and run around for no real reason. It just seemed like "okay, come one, we gotta run or we'll miss doing out next gag!"
-No ugliness, like in "Box Office Bunny." That cartoon has the most irritating color choices I've ever seen, not even the concentric circles and Looney Tunes logo are safe from the ugly colors. It's a mess of hot pinks, blues, and greens.

What do you think?

Jack:D

Matthew Hunter

08-14-2001, 11:20 PM

Actually, if Warner's hadn't cancelled Chuck Jones' Film Productions, it is rumored that one of his projects was going to be a new Hubie/Bertie cartoon. Sad, how these corporate jerks like to ruin creativity.
-Matthew

Jack

08-14-2001, 11:39 PM

I heard that it didn't get past the storyboard stages in 1997 or so. I forget what the title was supposed to be. It might have been decent, I'd have given it a chance, but I think if Jones had really wanted to do more with characters, he would have done so from 1951-1963. I don't think it would have matched the six original shorts in timing, animation, music, and backgrounds, though (some of the Jones unit's best work in all those categories). But it could have been sort of decent if made.

Jack:D

Anthonynotes

08-15-2001, 12:30 AM

I'd just rather that the 'Tunes weren't shown as living underground below some freakin' southern supermarket chain's parking lot---what are they, *gophers*?! (Well, the "Goofy Gophers" were, I guess :-) Guess I"d have settled for "Acme Acres" as a "default" name for their little world, but I guess that'd be too much a nod to the TV 'toons or something...

Also would prefer no bodily function gags; about cringed seeing that "deflating Stan" gag...

-B.
Wonders why they didn't just draw Jordan as a cartoon character when he entered the LT's world---would've been easier to make/cheaper/still would've had Jordan's voice (though I guess they wanted the "Air Jordan" commercials' live action/animation look)...

Nftnat

08-15-2001, 10:11 AM

Well, I'd be interested, even if it did involve NASCAR, or pro wrestling. If you're not into wrestling or motorsports, fine, that's your taste. I won't go to the theater to see it, but then I haven't been inside a theater since 1994. I will wait until it comes on tv, then tape it & add it to my collection. Hey, I'd do that with the Groovie Ghoulies movie if it came on; I like the LTs that much. I somewhat agree about Box Office Bunny; Daffy was puncturing all the old gags as soon as they came up. But you wanna talk sequels & rehashes? How about the Emily trilogy? Or House-Hunting Mice, which was a better version of Dog Gone Modern, one of Jones' very first & the first with the Curious Puppies. Wasn't Scaredy Cat a remake of The Night Watchman in some areas? Oh, & as to why they tried to do Space Jam with 3-d & toons simultaneously? Because they wanted to try that? It'd be nice if some of that adventurism had lasted & carried over into other areas.

Jack

08-15-2001, 11:42 AM

But you wanna talk sequels & rehashes? How about the Emily trilogy? Or House-Hunting Mice, which was a better version of Dog Gone Modern, one of Jones' very first & the first with the Curious Puppies. Wasn't Scaredy Cat a remake of The Night Watchman in some areas?
Those were remakes, yes, but at least they usually used different characters and situations. Chuck Jones' film productions made a sequel to "One Froggy Evening," but they also had plans for a sequel to "Duck Amuck," and "What's Opera Doc?" Also, some say "Superior Duck" was another sequel to "Duck Dodgers," but I'll have to watch it to see.

I'd rather them do something NEW if they have to make new cartoons. If I want to watch "Duck Amuck," I'll watch "Duck Amuck," not some cheesy remake that was made for the purpose of selling cells. If I were to go to a theater to watch a new LT, then I'd want to see something that is worth it, not something done better 20 times before. If they can take an old joke and put a new twist on it, then fine.

There were a lot of remakes back then because it would have been thought that the first cartoon wouldn't be viewed later on, unless it were re-released. Someone seeing "Dog Gone Modern" might never see "House Hunting Mice." It wasn't until TV became popular that people would see repetition.

Now, I wouldn't care if they got a whole new series going, and would reuse some of the new gags. I may never see new cartoon A, but if two gags from that cartoon make it into cartoon B, then fine. I'll get to enjoy them there, and I'll find out they used the same gags when ever the cartoons make it to CN (years later, no doubt).

So, it boils down to: Do I want to have an eye-rolling experience watching these new cartoons because they reference the old shorts so much it hurts, or do I want to enjoy Bugs Bunny having a new adventure, where there are new gags and old gags that get a new spin to them.

Jack:D

bushnader666

08-15-2001, 03:57 PM

Idea: New WB cartoons make fun of boy bands like they did with Sinatra/Crosby.

Idea: Bring back the WB orchestra and hire a Carl Stalling fanatic. DON'T plug in some new pop music or else I will puke, UNLESS it is a joke. Stalling used such music to enhance gags.

Idea: No more thick line animation! Of course, finding the next Bob McKimson/Rod Scribner/Ken Harris will be verrrrry difficult, esp with the required CGI eye-candy.

Idea: Don't shade the charaters like they are 3-D. Don't use CGI. Rocky and Bullwrinkle did it and now look what happened.

Idea: No more celebrities. Too much flash, no substance. Use real voice actors.

Idea: Force new animators to watch "Captian Planet" and explain how it is a terrible cartoon. Then show "Coal Black" or another A-list classic and tell them why it is a great cartoon.

Idea: Leave anime to the anime people. UNLESS it's a spoof.

Idea: Hire a Leon Schlesinger type that won't interfere with content, but will keep budgets reasonable.

Sveven Dvorking

08-15-2001, 10:12 PM

Idea: DON'T USE JAM IN THE TITLE! And trash Lola Bunny... bring back the real Mrs. Bugs Bunny from a certain 1942 cartoon.

Craig Crumpton

08-16-2001, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
According to a news item DG posted, Warner Brothers is considering a sequel to Space Jam with a NASCAR theme.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY, NOOOOO!!!

Originally posted by Jowy Blight

What could be worst? Will it be football? Or maybe it will be the WWF. ................god no.

Actually, for a while, WB also considered a wrestling-themed sequel called "Slam Jam", according to Bob Bergen (voice of Porky). I'll have more "interesting" details on this direct from an extensive interview I did with Bob at the San Diego comic con, which will be published in the near future here at TZ.

Sveven Dvorking

08-16-2001, 07:36 AM

Forget Jam completely! I am totally sick of this "Jam" stuff. If the money hogs at AOL-TW have to make another LT movie, the least they could do is use an original title.

Craig Marinaro

08-16-2001, 09:44 AM

Brainatra writes:

but it seems like most transplants from the midwest to the west coast would opt to go to L.A. (esp. since it's [marginally] cheaper than S.F.).

Eh-heh...there's a reason for that.

From what I've seen, San Francisco seems to reflect most of the positive attributes of a big city (culturally convenient, architecturally beautiful, lots of recreations / amusements / restaurants to entertain both tourists and natives); LA has mostly the negative aspects (smog, overcrowding, festering pollution, all sorts of unsavory people, and a just generally unpleasant atmosphere). From the areas I've seen, anyway.

-C
Lots of T-shirt shops in both locations, though.

Nftnat

08-16-2001, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Sveven Dvorking
Idea: DON'T USE JAM IN THE TITLE! And trash Lola Bunny... bring back the real Mrs. Bugs Bunny from a certain 1942 cartoon.

Well, there's an idea, but it's been pretty much accepted that Felicia (that's her name) is no longer with us, & that Honey Bunny is now Bugs' main squeeze & has been since the '60's. Imo Felicia died not too long after Hold the Lion Please & Bugs then went wild, but that's just me.

Anthonynotes

08-16-2001, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Craig

Eh-heh...there's a reason for that.

From what I've seen, San Francisco seems to reflect most of the positive attributes of a big city (culturally convenient, architecturally beautiful, lots of recreations / amusements / restaurants to entertain both tourists and natives); LA has mostly the negative aspects (smog, overcrowding, festering pollution, all sorts of unsavory people, and a just generally unpleasant atmosphere). From the areas I've seen, anyway.

-C
Lots of T-shirt shops in both locations, though.

Perhaps so...though I don't consider my L.A.-area-dwelling relatives as "unsavory" (well, for the most part anyway ;-)

Plus, L.A. has....um...uh...celebrities getting arrested! And, uh....lots and lots of police chases that get televised! Plenty of culture, I'm sure! Er...if one's a Fox fan, anyway :-)

-B.
T-shirts...woohoo!

happyheathen

08-16-2001, 02:20 PM

L.A. is going to end up being an island off the southwest corner of Alaska, so the infestation in only temporary...

(I plan to wave bye-bye as they pass:D )

Jack

08-16-2001, 02:26 PM

Doesn't half of San Fransisco go with it?

Do people in San Fransisco eat a lot of Rice-a-Roni? Why is called "The San Fransisco treat?"

Jack:D
(can't stand that nasty rice, myself, but my brother loves the stuff)

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-16-2001, 03:28 PM

I'm gonna sound REALLY stupid to happyheathen, but isn't that island on the way to Alaska gonna take S.F. with it? I heard about geological features doing that eventually to land west o' the San Andreas fault (if that's what it's called) but I swear I heard it would take S.F. along...

...another stupid post. Sigh...

BTW, I agree with Sven: If the title got JAM, it's gonna get slammed....I feel for the Looney Toons...especially with the wrestling idea. Give me Nascar over that any day.

Jack

08-16-2001, 03:41 PM

I heard the same thing as BorgeoisBuffoon, the only difference being that I heard only half of S.F. and L.A. would move north. That moving half of L.A. will become part of San Fransisco for a while, until it moves too.

I also heard a different theory saying San Fransisco would become it's own island.

And please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please, don't take this the wrong way, but it's Looney Tunes, like music, not Looney Toons...

Jack:D

happyheathen

08-16-2001, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Jack
Doesn't half of San Fransisco go with it?

depends on whose map you believe - some show the San Andreas running off-shore, some show it nicking the western-most 1-1.5 (of approx. 7) of SF - either way, I'M on the N. American plate - Baja CA and (at least) the LA basin are on the Pacific plate - buh-bye!

Do people in San Fransisco eat a lot of Rice-a-Roni? Why is called "The San Fransisco treat?"

SF has a love-hate relationship with Rice-a-Roni (it is/was made by a co. in the east bay - anyone within 50 miles likes to say they are 'san francisco').

No, we despise the stuff, but were hurt when they stopped calling it 'the SF treat'

luckily, Hormel has not tried to call Spam 'the SF meat'...

and in late-breaking, irresponsible (the best kind) speculation, we have:

I also heard a different theory saying San Fransisco would become it's own island.

Totally bogus - as far as is known, there is no separate 'SF' plate in play.

and it's not half of LA - it is the entire basin.

(the reason the LA basin exists is because the San Andreas has a curve in it - seismic activity was 'focused' along the curve, pushing the earth upward)