The Justice Leagues Archenemies?

[Storm]

Hey guys wasup? I was just watching the DVD of Justice League and I was taking to my dad about the show and it came to me when my dad asked me out of all the memebers of the Justice League which is the archenemies? I said well Batman has Joker and Superman has Lex Luthor, but that was all I could think of. Does anyone know the each members archenemies on the show and comicbook?

[Nyssane]

Wonder Woman has Cheetah as an arch-nemesis, and Green Lantern has Sinestro. Not sure about the others, though.

[Jor-El]

FLASH: Barry's arch enemy was probably Eobard Thawne, the Reverse Flash. Wally doesn't really have an arch arch-enemy, but I'd say Kadabra is up near the top of the list.
GREEN LANTERN: Hal's was Sinestro. Kyle's used to be Effigy, but Kyle never really built up a solid Rogues Gallery.
AQUAMAN: Ocean Master is probably Aquaman's biggest.
J'ONN: There was some kind of Martian God of Fire or something like H'rommenger or something crazy in J'Onn's canceled book that I think was supposed to be the ultimate enemy for J'Onn.
HAWKGIRL: Too little is known about the current Hawkgirl, Kendra Saunders to be able to determine an arch-enemy. And I admit, I don't know too much about the Hawk legacy to choose an arch-enemy overall.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Barry Allen
FLASH: Barry's arch enemy was probably Eobard Thawne, the Reverse Flash. Wally doesn't really have an arch arch-enemy, but I'd say Kadabra is up near the top of the list.
GREEN LANTERN: Hal's was Sinestro. Kyle's used to be Effigy, but Kyle never really built up a solid Rogues Gallery.
AQUAMAN: Ocean Master is probably Aquaman's biggest.
J'ONN: There was some kind of Martian God of Fire or something like H'rommenger or something crazy in J'Onn's canceled book that I think was supposed to be the ultimate enemy for J'Onn.
HAWKGIRL: Too little is known about the current Hawkgirl, Kendra Saunders to be able to determine an arch-enemy. And I admit, I don't know too much about the Hawk legacy to choose an arch-enemy overall.

Actually I'd say that Aquaman's greatest enemy is Black Manta...the Super Friends as well as the Aquaman cartoon made him very popular...plus he's in the comics a lot.

Green Lantern has several villains...if we count all GLs (Alan, Hal, Kyle, Guy, John, etc.) then we could come up with tons of villains...Sinestro being the greatest enemy, the Tatooed Man, Dr. Polaris, Evil Star, Star Sapphire, etc...well here...let me put it to you in simpler terms...on the Justice League cartoon the villains that belonged to each hero was:

Superman: Lex Luthor, Mongul
Batman: The Joker
Wonder Woman: The Cheetah, Aresia
Green Lantern: Star Sapphire, Kanjar Ro
Flash: Gorilla Grodd
Hawkgirl: None of her villains appeared on the show yet.
Martian Manhunter: The Imperium/Jay Allen Carter (Never appeared in the comics)

Villains that I'm not sure where they belong are Solomon Grundy, Tsukatsi or whatever her name is, Ultra-Humanite, The Shade, and probably others.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
Actually I'd say that Aquaman's greatest enemy is Black Manta...the Super Friends as well as the Aquaman cartoon made him very popular...plus he's in the comics a lot.

I agree, sort of, but not for those reasons. Black Manta killed Aquaman's son. That alone catapults him into arch-nemesis category. However, the story of Ocean Master is far more compelling, and more tied in with Aquaman's origin, making him a more interesting arch-nemesis. (The real version of Ocean Master is Aquaman's half-brother. Aquaman is (was anyway) half-human and half-Atlantean. Orm (Ocean Master) is completely human. He was always jealous of his brother's powers, which lead to his criminal activities and attempts to prove himself equal to his brother.)

Otherwise, I agree on the following points:

Superman-Luthor (runner-up: Brainiac)
Batman-Joker
Wonder Woman- Circe in current continuity, Cheetah in previous versions
Aquaman-Ocean Master (runner-up: Black Manta)
Green Lantern (Hal): Sinestro (runner-up: Star Sapphire)
Flash (Barry): Professor Zoom
Flash (Wally): Abra Kadabra

I would add the following:

Green Lantern (Kyle): Fatality
Green Lantern (John Stewart): none really, though Star Sapphire comes close, since she killed John's wife (Katma Tui)

Martian Manhunter: none really, though his evil brother Malefic is the closest we've really seen.

Hawkgirl: None by herself. Along with Hawkman, probably Byth, with the Shadow Thief or Gentleman Ghost as a runner-up.



Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion

Villains that I'm not sure where they belong are Solomon Grundy, Tsukatsi or whatever her name is, Ultra-Humanite, The Shade, and probably others.

For the animated continuity, it is true that we don't know who they've fought before. Of course in the comics...

Ultra-Humanite is a Golden Age Superman foe who graduated into being a Justice Society foe.

The Shade is a Golden Age Flash villain, who graduated into not being much of a villain, instead being a regular character in Starman.

Solomon Grundy is a JSA enemy who became preoccupied with the Golden Age Green Lantern.

The other woman never appeared in the comics, though some have suggested a connection with the hero Katana simply because they both wear a rising sun emblem on their chests... but imho that's just because American comics writers tend to make foreign characters so cliche that all Orientals (for example) wear either a rising sun (if they're Japanese) or a yin/yang symbol.

[goatboy57]

All "Oreintals"? Maybe all "Asians" is what you mean. ;)

[Jor-El]

Maybe that's what he means, but "Asians" could also technically include Russians, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. I think Simon was specifically referring to Chinese, Japanese, etc by using the term "Orientals."

Is that not the PC term?

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Barry Allen
Maybe that's what he means, but "Asians" could also technically include Russians, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. I think Simon was specifically referring to Chinese, Japanese, etc by using the term "Orientals."

Is that not the PC term?

Actually I found out a few months ago it isn't. I thought it was too. And that's the very reason I used the word too. Apparenltly we can't though. Go fig. :)

Anyways, I'd like to see Sinestro and/or Black Manta. Black Manta most of all, cuz I'd just like to see how he'd look 2002 style. Meanwhile I know how Sinestro might be out of character or something cuz he was Hal's enemy.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


I agree, sort of, but not for those reasons. Black Manta killed Aquaman's son.

I forgot to mention that...that's another good reason.

[Frank White]

IMHO, Darkseid is more of Superman's arch enemy than Luthor, Darkseid has hurt him more personally than anybody.

[peterparker05]

Originally posted by Frank White
IMHO, Darkseid is more of Superman's arch enemy than Luthor, Darkseid has hurt him more personally than anybody.

I've always thought that Darkseid is to Superman as Ra's Al Ghul is to Batman as they are both one of their greatest enemies, but on a different level than the rest of their rogue galleries.

[GL2k2]

I'll take a shot at this. The ones in bold have not been seen yet on JL.

Batman: The Joker, Ra's Al Ghul
Superman: Lex Luthor, Darkseid , Brainiac
Green Lantern: (not specifically John) Sinestro , Star Sapphire, The Manhunters
Flash: (Not specifically Wally) Gorilla Grodd, The Shadow Thief , Rainbow Raider , Reverse Flash , Capt. Cold , Capt. Boomerang
Wonder Woman: Circe , Doctor Cyber , Cheetah, Felix Faust
Hawkgirl: (definitely not Kendra's) Manhawks , Doctor Light?
Martian Manhunter: I have no idea. But like I've mentioned many times, there were some weirdo villians he acquired once he took on his secret identity as a police detective in NYC.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by GL2k2

Flash: (Not specifically Wally) Gorilla Grodd, The Shadow Thief ,

Wonder Woman: Circe , Doctor Cyber , Cheetah, Felix Faust

Hawkgirl: (definitely not Kendra's) Manhawks , Doctor Light?

Martian Manhunter: I have no idea. But like I've mentioned many times, there were some weirdo villians he acquired once he took on his secret identity as a police detective in NYC.

You probably mean Shade rather than Shadow Thief for the Flash. The Shadow Thief only once encountered the Flash, and Flash had to team up with Captain Marvel to beat him.

Felix Faust is definitely not WW's enemy in the comics. He's just a JLA foe, though he's also had some connection to Zatanna, iirc.

Doctor Light is definitely not a Hawkgirl/Hawkman foe. While originally a JLA foe, he has fought various members individually, before becoming a Titans foe. He has even been beaten by Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. He has recently been groomed to be a Green Lantern foe.

And just to nitpick, Martian Manhunter took on the identity of a police detective as soon as he showed up on Earth, though the emphasis on his alter ego has only recently come to light again, in that recent (but cancelled) ongoing series of his.

[Zoe J'Onzz]

Superman: Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Braniac.

Batman: Joker, Ra's Al Guhl.

Wonder Woman: Cheetah.

Green Lantern: Sinestro, Star Saphire.

Flash: Weatherman.

Hawkgirl: ManHawks.

Martian Manhunter: Malefic, The Headman, Dr. Arnold Hugo.
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That's all I have to my knowledge. Are there any more?

[GL2k2]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


You probably mean Shade rather than Shadow Thief for the Flash. The Shadow Thief only once encountered the Flash, and Flash had to team up with Captain Marvel to beat him.

Felix Faust is definitely not WW's enemy in the comics. He's just a JLA foe, though he's also had some connection to Zatanna, iirc.

Doctor Light is definitely not a Hawkgirl/Hawkman foe. While originally a JLA foe, he has fought various members individually, before becoming a Titans foe. He has even been beaten by Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. He has recently been groomed to be a Green Lantern foe.



You might be right about Shade/Shadow Thief and Faust, but with Dr. Light I think we may have crossed wires. Because I had an old Who's Who and one of the Thanagarian villians was either one Dr. Light or Dr. Polaris. But I'm pretty sure his name was Light because he manipulated light. I could be wrong.

[Young Justice]

Here in Brazil, DC comics gets a little later than their counterparts from USA. This week I have read JLA 55 - 58, a story arc involving the White Martians. I think they could qualify as Jonn's archenemies. I would be nice to have this particular story arc tranlated into animation, don't you think?

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Young Justice
Here in Brazil, DC comics gets a little later than their counterparts from USA. This week I have read JLA 55 - 58, a story arc involving the White Martians. I think they could qualify as Jonn's archenemies. I would be nice to have this particular story arc tranlated into animation, don't you think?

That was more or less the plot of "Secret Origins."

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by GL2k2
Because I had an old Who's Who and one of the Thanagarian villians was either one Dr. Light or Dr. Polaris. But I'm pretty sure his name was Light because he manipulated light. I could be wrong.

Trust me, I'm relying on first-hand knowledge (having read the actual comics) rather than second-hand knowledge (like what Who's Who dispenses). Dr. Light has never been significantly linked with the Hawks, and I can't imagine that Who's Who would make such a mistake.

Dr. Polaris, on the other hand, was strictly a Green Lantern villain. His first costume was somewhat dorky (he had a magnet for a chest symbol!), but his second costume was much better. His third costume I find somewhat ridiculous since his head is inside a giant tin can, but it probably looks oh so kewl to the younger generation or something. Dr. Polaris has had to fight other people since the real Green Lantern was disgraced, so he's encountered everyone from the Ray to Hawkman.

Dr. Polaris fought Hawkman exactly once. This was a fill-in issue, and featured the continuity-challenged version of Hawkman, who decided that, rather than research Dr. Polaris' powers and stuff, he'd go fight him one on one. He had some specific reason for doing so, to prove something to himself or to learn from his mistakes or something along those lines. So, with his metal wings and metal weapons, he went to fight the master of magnetism. And, of course, he won, because it's a comic book.

[Young Justice]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


That was more or less the plot of "Secret Origins."

In a certain way, I would agree with you. Because they both feature a different martian race (different from the race that Jonn belongs), that were willing to take over Earth, and they are both white. But, when I mean "translating", is translating the plot from the comics as well. With the white martians relaying on telepathy, the heroes going to the Phantom Zone, Atom helping in the last minute, and Superman, Wonder woman and Green Lantern bringing moon to earth, causing the martians to burn. That ending was somewhat amazing! :)

[Kolbar]

Superman: Lex Luthor, Braniac, Darkseid
Batman: Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman
Wonder Woman: Cheetah, Aresia, Ares
Green Lantern: Sinestro
Flash: Grodd, Captain Cold
Martian Manhunter: Imperium, Alien Invaders
Hawkgirl: none in show yet
Aquaman: Black Manta