Why I like pokemon (and a deranged fact about it)

[Scythemantis]

The plant pokemon,GLOOM,is a deliberate drug reference.The flower on his head is the flower that OPIUM is derived from,he drools narcotic nectar and is classed as a "weed" pokemon.This is nothing bad in japan,but was toned down for the american release.(they simply replaced "narcotic" with "hypnotic")

That would be the deranged fact.Gloom happens to be one of my favorite fictional critters of any movie/cartoon/game.

Anyway,since i`m apparently not allowed to explain this in the other thread ("dont bother defending it!") I like pokemon because half of them are based on real-life biology that I spent most of my childhood studying.Parasect is based upon an actual mind-controlling fungus that attacks insects,and "Vileplume" is based on the jungle Rafflesia; a massive parasitic flower that smells of carrion to attract flies.Tentacool is a deep-sea comb jelly,Kabutops is a humanoid version of the pre-cambrian arthropod Anomalocaris,and Victreebel is a giant pitcher plant...which I used to grow as a kid.

...Science only advances for the sake of cartoons.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Pokemon is a kid's cartoon. Some young adults spend too much time busting their veins over it.

[James]

Well that makes my reason for liking Pokemon seem rather superficial in comparison.

I just like James' voice in the cartoon series. It makes me laugh everytime. Oh, and I like Psyduck - an English inspired Pokemon if I ever saw one. Just a total pain in the butt. The English excell in devising annoying characters.....

[Scythemantis]

Note,joe,that you`re talking to someone who thinks Blue`s Clues is mankind`s single greatest achievement next to Reeses sticks.

Mm...reeses...
...IN CRUNCHY STICK FORM!?!?! (falls to his knees and weeps)

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I'm a guy who can stand every child's phenomenon because they are only for children. Children have a different psychology than adults, and not necessarily worse.

[mxyzptlk]

the show is terrible

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Leap Larry JojoI'm a guy who can stand every child's phenomenon because they are only for children. Children have a different psychology than adults, and not necessarily worse.

Exactly. Some of those fads are just too hard to stomach for our types, so we just have to understand where it's coming from, and what it's directed to.

I was just thinking about this before when I saw an advertisement for something about that Backstreet Boy's little brother and his "music". Yick! I can't stand it, but hey kids are kids. They're gonna like what they're gonna like.

And I may not like Pokemon, but considering the fact that I've cooled down over the months about using it as a scapegoat for killing off Batman Beyond, I can honestly say that I'm not out to destroy it.

[Sveven Dvorking]

I like how the characters act, and it always makes me smile when the losers come in.

I also like how many episodes take their focus on one or two pokemon, and explain either a job of that pokemon or what it is like. I always like to know what pokemon will be featured next, especially in the Johto Journeys episodes where a new pokemon is frequently introduced.

That's my reason for it.

[Jowy Blight]

I used to like it. But when they added the next 150, it started to get lame. They didn't even look like they put any effort into the monsters, like they did with the first 150. Then the shows episodes started to reuse plots and everything, and they just made TR more and more annonying. The movies were pretty bad on top of that. Then the WB started geting rid of good shows so they could show more of it. So after a while I started to hate it.

But the game is still cool.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
I used to like it. But when they added the next 150, it started to get lame. They didn't even look like they put any effort into the monsters, like they did with the first 150. Then the shows episodes started to reuse plots and everything, and they just made TR more and more annonying. The movies were pretty bad on top of that. Then the WB started geting rid of good shows so they could show more of it.

All I want to see is the new episodes, so I wouldn't mind if it lost all time slots outside of Saturday.

How little do you know? There were actually 100 "new" pokemons, totaling 251, and the new ones are every bit as good.

Team Rocket was always annoying. They didn't change.

And the movies are good.

:p

[Thad Komorowski]

Yeah but as mentioned before there's

WAY TOO MANY

of them.

I used to be able to stomach an episode in half hour doses, when only the first 150 of them, and I liked the cliff hanger episodes. However right now there are NONE of those, and there's too
many of those freaks to count! Besides, the episodes get more predictible every week, and I don't know how it remains still popular. The video game is fun, however, I was excited about getting Gold last year, but it got so boring, and I wasn't able to keep track of all the new ones. If they REALLY want to get high ratings, they should have someone actually DIE on the show, on screen. At least ALL of the classic studios have ONE cartoon where someone tries or does commit suicide. Can you imagine someone on Pokemon aiming a gun at their head? :p

-Thad :rolleyes:

[Jowy Blight]

How little do you know? There were actually 100 "new" pokemons, totaling 251, and the new ones are every bit as good.

I used to know quite a lot about Pokemon, but then I stoped following it after the first half of new episodes. As for the new ones, I feel they looked to much like the last 150, some of them don't even look worked on at all. Plus the episodes plot were used to much, It was like this.

Number 1: Ash finds new Pokemon.

Number 2: Ash meets its trainer who has a problem.

Number 3: Ash trys to help and TR enters and trys to take new Pokemon.

Number 4: Pikachu takes out TR with a thundershock/ or new Pokemon beats them with some attack.

Number 5: Ash helps trainer get over the problem then leaves.

This is why I stoped following it.

[Jowy Blight]

Can you imagine someone on Pokemon aiming a gun at their head?

James aimed a gun at the wardon's head on that episode they never showed.

[DR. BELCH]

--before, I'd like to see Jessy finally decide to commit herself, or be forced by the courts to seek psychotherapy. She used to be such a sweet little thing, really, before losing her mother at an early age and flunking out of nursing school turned her into a bitter little witch.
James is basically a spoiled Kennedy kid, with a homosexual twist, and it was unrequited love for a dame that drove Meowth astray. Truthfully I find the villains more charismatic and well-rounded than the heroes.
Like I said before, my favorite Pokemon are the realistically-handled ones, esp. dog Pokemon like Growlithe, Houndour, and Snubull--and Chikorita when she starts mounting Ash's leg and fighting with Pikachu for attention, and Heracross when it tries to nurse off (a very angry) Bulbasaur ("I am not your mother!").
Also, I find Pokemon who secrete hallucinogenic substances interesting. Imagine hippies going about getting high by licking Stantler bulbs and inhaling Chikorita dust. Then there's my idea of a chain of Ditto brothels.... :eek: :D

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
James aimed a gun at the wardon's head on that episode they never showed.

Yeah, I knew that, but what about this:

Some Very Important Guy: "You idiots! Team Rocket has just escaped with the rarest Pokemon!"

Team Twerp: "Ehh, now he tells us........"

Team Twerp pulls guns to there heads and......well you know the rest......

-Thad:D

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

....brothels...weed....the underbelly of pokemo usage. :p

Most new Pokemon DO look like they were drawn in five minutes, and like BELCH said, the bad guys are better than the heroes. Brock woulda had more potential if he stayed in touch with his family-a 'caring' guy like him should NOT have just left his family then and there WAY early in the show's run.

But the games are still VERY good. I kinda dug my old Silver cartdridge out and play now and then....

....personally, I think Rocket was more threatening in the WAY early days...now their pokemon cannot even stand up to a caterpie, I bet. They are annoying, I bet, because they are so weak now-give them better pokemon and I would think they could become useful again.

BTW, the plots would benifit from a big shock like a death-perhaps Oak bites the bullet and Elm takes over as the head honcho of Poke-science?

[Scythemantis]

The old pokemon really arent all that creatively drawn (pikachu,meowth,cloyster ect...) its their abilities/habits that make them seem more creative.The new ones have neat traits too.

What will probably annoy the hell out of you: another hundred species are coming for the gameboy advance games.

But like ive said,I never think you can have too many monsters :P

[Calhoun07]

I could never keep up with Pokemon and all these little creatures.

You know, I was thinking as I was reading the original post as to why you liked it...this is why people hated Mighty Mouse!

[Scythemantis]

well its just the part about the creatures resembling animals that I have fond memories of being my reason for liking it...I just find the "drug" pokemon extremely amusing.And it looks cool too :P

[Jowy Blight]

I find Pokemon who secrete hallucinogenic substances interesting. Imagine hippies going about getting high by licking Stantler bulbs and inhaling Chikorita dust. Then there's my idea of a chain of Ditto brothels....

I had no idea that Pokemon were drug addicts:D But then again, there was that episode where Bulbasaur inhaled that Pokeweed plant......

[Jowy Blight]

What will probably annoy the hell out of you: another hundred species are coming for the gameboy advance games.

Geez...... Do we really need 100 more Pokemon?

[Scythemantis]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight


Geez...... Do we really need 100 more Pokemon?

Yes,yes we do...

;)

[Jowy Blight]

I might get the games, I still like them. But first, I'll need a GBA.

[Scythemantis]

I want earthworm jim on gba.Its kind of odd,since I already own it on the computer,but I wanna be able to catapault that cow no matter where I am.

[Jowy Blight]

I want earthworm jim on gba.

I remember earthworm jim. I could never get past that level "For Pete's Sake". I had pretty bad aim, so I would get mauled. Everybody always thought it was funny how I would get so worked up over it.

[James]

I remember earthworm jim. I could never get past that level "For Pete's Sake". I had pretty bad aim, so I would get mauled. Everybody always thought it was funny how I would get so worked up over it.

That was the SAME level I had problems with.... although I think I did beat that level in the end... I think the level after that whupped my ass big time!!! :)

[Sveven Dvorking]

We really don't need another hundred pokemon... I think more information should be given about the existing 251.

[DR. BELCH]

Jowy Blight:
I had no idea that Pokemon were drug addicts...then again, there was that episode where Bulbasaur inhaled that Pokeweed plant....
Humans aren't the only animals who use drugs. Horses and elephants love to get drunk. They eat fermented fruit in orchards...accidentally maybe once, but they remember where to get the stuff and how good it made them feel, so they go back there and do it again. I don't know if that's what folks mean when they say animals can think, but...imagine a two-ton elephant runnng around the African savannah totally 'faced. What a delicious image.

And as long as there's Jessy, Pokemon will be popular for me. I'm waiting for an ep where they nix the cute beasties and just do a whole 22 minutes on what makes her red head tick....

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
And as long as there's Jessy, Pokemon will be popular for me. I'm waiting for an ep where they nix the cute beasties and just do a whole 22 minutes on what makes her red head tick....

That would bore me half way to death. I would promise to never re-watch that episode ever in my life. And if Kids WB ever replayed it, I would say, "Don't tell me they have the guts to air that again!"

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

Actually, if we could concentrate on the characters and not just some pokemon fights, I'd start watching again. It'd be nice to just delve a bit into ANY of the main cast's lives...

[Jowy Blight]

That was the SAME level I had problems with.... although I think I did beat that level in the end... I think the level after that whupped my ass big time!!!

At least I wasn't the only one.:) I think the level after that was the final level, Buttville. A stupid plant would always come up and grab Pete, then he would turn into a monster dog and maul me. It was funny if you saw how I was after it happaned.

[Jowy Blight]

Actually, if we could concentrate on the characters and not just some pokemon fights, I'd start watching again. It'd be nice to just delve a bit into ANY of the main cast's lives...

Wouldn't bore me at all. It would be nice to something besides and Pokemon battle every episode.

[Sveven Dvorking]

I disagree with you. Character development terribly bores me in a cartoon. I would much rather see pokemon battles.

[Scythemantis]

Euh...I love character development.Pokemon hasnt had much,except for team rocket`s back stories.I like those.

I like pokemon in the same way I like,say,collecting action figures.They look neat/have neat concepts and thats really just it.I enjoy depth in characters...thats why I find digimon superior...they have taken breaks from all the battles and had entire episodes that were all talk.Yes,I actually like that :)

[Scythemantis]

Originally posted by BorgeoisBuffoon
Actually, if we could concentrate on the characters and not just some pokemon fights, I'd start watching again. It'd be nice to just delve a bit into ANY of the main cast's lives...

There was an episode about meowth`s past that was awfully good.James too.They havent explained much about jesse though...

I consider team rocket the actual stars.I dislike cowardly villains,but,I dont consider them villains at all :P

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

...it was very nice to see at least Meowth and James get back storie. But ironically enough, Jessie's past, which we have recieved hints of, may prove to be the most interesting to tell.

But what we really need is for Ash and Misty to develop as characters! Not in the love each other sense, which will probably never happen, but just as learning something, perhaps-Misty has become an airhead, sorry to say, and Ash rants on about battles. They need something new.

[Jowy Blight]

Really. It seem's that while TR is given back story. The Main Crew (The Most important people on the show!) are given none. I would really like to hear of what happened to Ash's Dad.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by BorgeoisBuffoon
Ash rants on about battles.
I don't think he does that nearly enough! After all, the more battles, the stronger the pokemon. He needs to battle to become a pokemon master, and going on about it is perfectly fine.


Originally posted by Jowy Blight
I would really like to hear of what happened to Ash's Dad.
Actually, I have always wondered about that myself. I would assume he died, but I don't know how.

[Jowy Blight]

Actually, I have always wondered about that myself. I would assume he died, but I don't know how.

Or maybe he became a pokemon trainer. It really would be something for Ash to run into his dad while training. How would Ash react? What would he say? Would he battle his own father?

That would probably be enough to make me watch.

[DR. BELCH]

Some think it's Samuel Oak, whose been having an affair with Delia Ketchum for the last 12 years or so. My theory is that it's Giovanni, leader of Team Rocket, who is also Jessy's father--which makes the two mortal enemies half-siblings, and will probably be enough to send Jessy screaming over the edge if she ever found out. Really all that's been mentioned in the series is that she grew up poor and that she wanted to be a Pokemon nurse...everything else I learned form other Pokemon fans, like how she watched her mother leave her in search of a rare Pokemon in the mountains and presumably froze to death, or how Jessy's mother was his favorite soldier and would do anything for him. Which makes me wonder: does Jessy realize that Giovanni may have indirectly killed her mother? If whatever memories she represses come to light, I see her becoming a lot worse than she is now.... :mad: :eek:

[Sveven Dvorking]

Professor Oak is a little too old to be Ash's father. I highly doubt the head of Team Rocket is related to Ash. Ash is not related to Jessy, you just say that because you like that enemy.

[DR. BELCH]

...though I disagree on Oak being too old to be a daddy. Men remain fertile till they die. Charlie Chaplin was fathering children into his seventies...and Rocky told me that Jimmy Doohan (Scotty of Star Trek) is, like, eighty, and he and his wife just had a baby. Sweet mother of frig.

[Jowy Blight]

It really seem's unlikey that the head of TR is Jessie or Ash's father. But as for Oak, it could happen.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
It really seem's unlikey that the head of TR is Ash's father. But as for Oak, it could happen.

No, it couldn't. If Gary is Professor Oak's grandson, Oak wouldn't also have a son that is about the same age.