Flash's Orgin

[AngelStar]

I really grown fawned of Flask lately and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about him.Please

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by AngelStar
I really grown fawned of Flask lately and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about him.Please

Originally, Jay Garrick was performing some experiments with "hard water". Something went wrong, he passed out, and he woke up with superspeed powers and began to be known as the Flash. (This is the version called the Streak in the Justice Guild.)

Later, police scientist Barry Allen was working next to a wall full of chemicals, when a lightning bolt struck the chemicals, splashing him with them, thereby giving him superspeed powers. Remembering the great comic book hero called the Flash, he decided to call himself the Flash. Later, during Crisis, he died, and it is suggested that he became the lightning bolt that struck the chemicals. (If anyone mentions "Mopee," put your hands over your ears and sing "La la la, I can't hear you!") This version of the Flash has not been seen on the cartoon, but since this is the definitive version of the Flash, some of his aspects have been retained for the cartoon version.

Wally West, nephew of Barry Allen, was visiting Barry one day, when *another* lightning bolt struck that same wall of chemicals, thereby granting Wally superspeed powers. Barry revealed his identity to Wally, and Wally began to be known as Kid Flash. After Barry's death, Wally took over the role of Flash. It has been hypothesized that Barry's desire for a kid sidekick was so strong that he somehow subconsciously caused the second lightning bolt to appear in order to give Wally his powers. This is the version of the Flash seen in the cartoon, though the comic book version quickly grew out of his immature stage.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5
...(This is the version called the Streak in the Justice Guild.)...

Nope, The Streak is a totally different character...originally Bruce Timm and Co. wanted to make Flash/Jay Garrick be on it, but since DC Comics put a stop to it...they just made up a character named The Streak...only loosly based on the Golden Age Flash...he's not at all the same person, or even supposed to be.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion


he's not at all the same person, or even supposed to be.

Yeah, but the same is true for all the *other* characters, imho.

Toon-Superman isn't comics-Superman, and isn't even close.
Toon-John Stewart isn't comics-John Stewart isn't even close.
Toon-Hawkgirl isn't comics-Hawkgirl (any of them) and isn't even close.

Etc ad nauseum. Toon-Batman is the only one that reasonably resembles his comics incarnation.

[AngelStar]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


Originally, Jay Garrick was performing some experiments with "hard water". Something went wrong, he passed out, and he woke up with superspeed powers and began to be known as the Flash. (This is the version called the Streak in the Justice Guild.)

Later, police scientist Barry Allen was working next to a wall full of chemicals, when a lightning bolt struck the chemicals, splashing him with them, thereby giving him superspeed powers. Remembering the great comic book hero called the Flash, he decided to call himself the Flash. Later, during Crisis, he died, and it is suggested that he became the lightning bolt that struck the chemicals. (If anyone mentions "Mopee," put your hands over your ears and sing "La la la, I can't hear you!") This version of the Flash has not been seen on the cartoon, but since this is the definitive version of the Flash, some of his aspects have been retained for the cartoon version.

Wally West, nephew of Barry Allen, was visiting Barry one day, when *another* lightning bolt struck that same wall of chemicals, thereby granting Wally superspeed powers. Barry revealed his identity to Wally, and Wally began to be known as Kid Flash. After Barry's death, Wally took over the role of Flash. It has been hypothesized that Barry's desire for a kid sidekick was so strong that he somehow subconsciously caused the second lightning bolt to appear in order to give Wally his powers. This is the version of the Flash seen in the cartoon, though the comic book version quickly grew out of his immature stage.


:D Talk about destiny. That's intersting how it happened again. Then .....Flash met AngelStar they married and had Angel Streak :D


By the way I'm AngelStar aka Lizzie ^_^ Nice to meet ya

[maddogmike]

Everything I knew about the Flash (before his appearances on Superman and JL) I learned from the live action show from 10 years ago. In that version, John Wesley Shipp played Barry Allen, a police scientist in Central City. He was struck by lightning while working in his lab with volotile chemicals. He got plenty of help from actress Amanda Pays playing a doctor (the character's name escapes me) at Star Labs.

So what's the Flash's real name in JL? Have they told us?

[TheGothsandman]

I think in the Green Lantern, and Flash episode they mentioned it once, or twice. It seems to be Wally West, but with a background sort of similar to the one in the Flash Live Action show(judging by the flashback scene thanks to Gorilla Grodd's mind control.).

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by maddogmike
Everything I knew about the Flash (before his appearances on Superman and JL) I learned from the live action show from 10 years ago.

Too bad TV show characters never resemble their comic book counterparts.

The scientist on the TV show was Tina McGee, who in the comics was a friend of Wally's not Barry's; in fact, she didn't appear in comics until long after Barry was dead.

Unfortunately, the TV show episodes seemed to devolve into "The Amazing Adventures of Tina McGee" since (being a scientist) she was the only one who could think and the only one who could invent the method for defeating villains.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


Yeah, but the same is true for all the *other* characters, imho.

Toon-Superman isn't comics-Superman, and isn't even close.
Toon-John Stewart isn't comics-John Stewart isn't even close.
Toon-Hawkgirl isn't comics-Hawkgirl (any of them) and isn't even close.

Etc ad nauseum. Toon-Batman is the only one that reasonably resembles his comics incarnation.

Superman is actually very close to his comic book counterpart...I know their not the same either, but they are closer to being them then Streak is being the Jay Garrick Flash.

[TheGothsandman]

Greetings

The "Tina McGee Adventures" is right, it is kinda sad when Barry was in some forms a scientist, and he could use a few pratical, If this happens, I should do this, solving methods.

Also, the superman counter part is pretty on, but I hear alot of people saying the JGA didn't live up to par with the JSA. You have to realize they couldn't be entirely on with that due to copyright, plus it was kinda cool to see the overly done cliches of the past(both homeage, and humor in one.)

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


Too bad TV show characters never resemble their comic book counterparts.

The scientist on the TV show was Tina McGee, who in the comics was a friend of Wally's not Barry's; in fact, she didn't appear in comics until long after Barry was dead.

Unfortunately, the TV show episodes seemed to devolve into "The Amazing Adventures of Tina McGee" since (being a scientist) she was the only one who could think and the only one who could invent the method for defeating villains.

I thought that "The Flash" was probably the best live action Superhero show...it's right up there with Lois & Clark...all superheroes had to have some sort of sidekick...to make the character interactions more interesting...The Flash had Dr. Tina McGee, and I thought her character was pretty cool...and I never once felt that she was the lead character on the show...the 2nd lead character? Yes, she was. But not the first.

[TheGothsandman]

I think alot of the current quality of live action comic shows(when compaired to the past.) has to do with the fact, the companies DC, Marvel, etc. and the TV companies Fox, ABC, NBC, TNT. TBS, etc realize that they have to be serious to keep the ratings of us comic geek viewers :)

[Barb Gordon]

Yes, the Flash in the JL animated series is Wally West. But they altered his fate of getting his abilities to resemble how Barry Allen received his. And, as we have all seen, they've kept Wally as being hot-headed, somewhat immature kind of guy in the series. But in the comics, though, he is quite a mature guy, though he does like to kid around alot, especially when he's with Nightwing. I'm assuming they've given Wally the personality he has in the animated series to have him respresent the basic joke/pun person, who always says that funny line in a serious moment. Comic relief.

~Barb

[tony]

hey i don't think they shouldn't of made Legacy cause the it was a total rip-off of the JSA and that girl looked identical to Black Canary i mean if N can't get the rights they shouldn't do something else

[goatboy57]

I would have to disagree with Tony's idea that "Legends" should have never been produced because the anal JSA people thought it might make light of their product.
"Legends" IMHO has been the best of the first season, maybe even topping "Secret Origins"

[AngelStar]

Originally posted by Barb Gordon
Yes, the Flash in the JL animated series is Wally West. But they altered his fate of getting his abilities to resemble how Barry Allen received his. And, as we have all seen, they've kept Wally as being hot-headed, somewhat immature kind of guy in the series. But in the comics, though, he is quite a mature guy, though he does like to kid around alot, especially when he's with Nightwing. I'm assuming they've given Wally the personality he has in the animated series to have him respresent the basic joke/pun person, who always says that funny line in a serious moment. Comic relief.

~Barb


:D So FLash appears more with Nightwing. THe same NightWing in the newer Batman eps? That's so cool. Wish I paid attention more.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by AngelStar
:D So FLash appears more with Nightwing. THe same NightWing in the newer Batman eps?

More or less.

Remember how I said that Wally-Flash used to be Kid Flash? Well, Nightwing used to be Robin, of course, and back in the day,
Kid Flash, Robin, Wonder Girl (now called Troia in the comics), Aqualad (Aquaman's kid sidekick now called Tempest in the comics), and Speedy (Green Arrow's kid sidekick, now called Arsenal in the comics) all teamed up to form the Teen Titans, a sort of Junior Justice League.

(Actually, technically, the first team was just Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad, but the others eventually joined.)

The membership of the Teen Titans has changed over the years, but this group of five have a special bond that continues to this day. They are currently members of a group together again, though since they are no longer teens, the group is simply called "The Titans".


Wally is unique in being the only one of these five that has gotten to be a member of the Justice League (not counting the times Nightwing was a member of the "Justice League Task Force"), but this is mainly a result of the fact that he is the only one to have his mentor die permanently. (Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, and Aquaman have all died at least once, but only temporarily, and Batman only got to have his back broken-- but it didn't stay broken long enough for Nightwing to get to play Batman for very long).

[stwasm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by maddogmike
[B]Everything I knew about the Flash (before his appearances on Superman and JL) I learned from the live action show from 10 years ago. In that version, John Wesley Shipp played Barry Allen, a police scientist in Central City. He was struck by lightning while working in his lab with volotile chemicals. He got plenty of help from actress Amanda Pays playing a doctor (the character's name escapes me) at Star Labs.

The doctor's name is the live-action Flash was Dr. Tina McGee. That was a GREAT show! I wish it had lasted longer than a season. :(

[Jor-El]

Few general notes on the subjects being discussed about here and there...



• SimonMoon5's recap of the legacy of the Flash is better than I could have ever done. Bravo, Simon! :)

As far as Jay Garrick being Streak, I originally took it to mean that this Golden Age Flash was the character they used to base Streak on. I did not think that he meant to imply that the Streak WAS Jay Garrick. Maybe I was wrong, and maybe I should have read more carefully, but (in my experience,) SimonMoon5 is one of the board's most well-versed-in-comics members. I don't think he would have made that mistake.

• It's not that they were unable to get the rights to use the JSA. Remember, DC Comics owns the JSA, so they already have the rights per se.

It was a decision from the higher-ups (Paul Levitz, I believe,) that the JSA be re-created into the JGA for the purposes of this episode. DC Comics has a very successful JSA series right now and they did not want to see an episode produced that depicted these very profitable characters into laughable jokes, did not want the characters to be images conjured by a monstrous telepath, and didn't want the JSA to die at the end.

So this was nothing about copyrights.

As far as Tony's comments about Black Siren being a "total rip-off" of the Golden Age Black Canary... it was intentional. They didn't "rip-off" anything really. And if they did, they had every right to do so.

• The Flash series on CBS was really pretty awful, and I say so as a huge fan of the character. Barry and Iris were nothing like their comic counterparts; Iris seemed like a child ("jailbait" as I called her,) and Barry seemed much, much too old. But I could be using the mentality of 2002 to judge how people's ages looked in 1990 when I was only a few years old. So that's unfair.

I'll admit that I didn't see every episode of this series, so it's very possible that I'm out of my jurisdiction, but the relationship of Iris and Barry didn't seem like it was going very well in the episodes I saw, and I always preferred seeing Iris and Barry very much in a comfortable, trusting love, despite how Barry's tardiness always irked her.

• Superman is very little like his JL counterpart. In the comics, Superman is a competent, inspiring hero capable of dealing with many threats. He's the guy you go to when nobody else can do it. In the cartoon world, Superman is a real idiot. He has absolutely no idea how to utilize even the most basic of his powers, he makes a terrible leader, he gets beaten easily, and apparently is incapable of elementary thought processes.

Give me the comic Superman any day.

I think that's all I wanted to comment on.

[Dark_Batman89]

I liked that series.

[Young Justice]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5


More or less.

Remember how I said that Wally-Flash used to be Kid Flash? Well, Nightwing used to be Robin, of course, and back in the day,
Kid Flash, Robin, Wonder Girl (now called Troia in the comics), Aqualad (Aquaman's kid sidekick now called Tempest in the comics), and Speedy (Green Arrow's kid sidekick, now called Arsenal in the comics) all teamed up to form the Teen Titans, a sort of Junior Justice League.

(Actually, technically, the first team was just Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad, but the others eventually joined.)


Anyone remember an older animated series featuring the Teen Titans? It looked like the earlier animated versions of Thor, Iron Man and Hulk, to name a few, using the trace of Jack Kirby's itself.

I think I'm not young at all... :)