Star Wars 2 title (Major Spoilers!) [Archive]

Calhoun07

08-06-2001, 05:06 PM

It's never been a secret that Lucas wanted to do these prequels. He had this all planned out even at the time of American Graphitti. And it was no secret that the prequels would take place during the Clone Wars, so that was always the speculated title. Now, I can understand Lucas not wanting to go for something that's been thrown about in fan circles since the late 70's...but this title is totally out of left field. Who came up with this one? I hope this is a title like Blue Harvest to throw off bootleggers.

Mr. Eye

08-06-2001, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by calhoun07
Who came up with this one? I hope this is a title like Blue Harvest to throw off bootleggers.

Some drunk no doubt.

Mr. Eye

The Mad Hatter

08-06-2001, 05:27 PM

Where did you hear this? Did this really, really come from Lucasfilm? If it is... I know it's supposed to mirror the "direct action" titles like The Empire Strikes Back, but "Attack of the Clones?" sounds a bit... bland to me.

Maxie Zeus

08-06-2001, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by calhoun07
I am half expecting to see my friends from Mystery Science Theater down in front picking this thing to pieces.

I guess it's better than "Episode 2: Electric Boogaloo."

Push the button, Frank . . .

Bird Boy

08-06-2001, 08:00 PM

it is a bit weird..but..eh..I thought The Phantom Menace was stupid.. The Attack of the Clones sounds cheap though...

-BB

freebooter

08-06-2001, 08:08 PM

What do the clones look like? Who are they clones of? Did they chose someone who represented the "ultimate soldier," and clone them?

Calhoun07

08-06-2001, 08:20 PM

If I am correct, it is a period of time when the Emperor cloned mass armies of Stormtroopers and soldiers for the express purpose of dangerous all or nothing missions. Zahn revived the Clone Wars in his original trilogy of novels.

I.R Joey

08-06-2001, 09:19 PM

Sounds like a B-Movie

Bird Boy

08-06-2001, 09:20 PM

Highlight..it's spoiler-ly

The "clones" are from the ultimate man, Jango Fett. He is the father of Boba Fett. They look exactly like Boba Fett did. His armor is from them (the Mandolarians).

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mxyzptlk

08-06-2001, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by don Jaime
Just released at the official site:

STAR WARS
The Attack of the Clones

I think I speak for the crowd when I say, "Oh, God." This is a much lousier title than the ho-hum Phantom Menace. Let's hope it doesn't indicate the quality of the actual movie.

that sounds like a dumb tidal

Jowy Blight

08-06-2001, 09:22 PM

Attack of the Clones........

How many times has that title been used?

Trent Lane

08-06-2001, 10:25 PM

As long as the movie rox, I could care less about the title...

James Harvey

08-06-2001, 10:50 PM

Why not just call it STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN?

don Jaime

08-06-2001, 11:06 PM

Here's the link (http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2001/08/news20010806.html) for those interested. There's some faint hope this is a false name to deflect toy bootleggers, a la Revenge of the Jedi, but I wouldn't place any stock in it. Episode II just got stuck with a loser name.

Trent Lane

08-06-2001, 11:08 PM

Good point. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but didn't EP1 start out titled differently?...

Calhoun07

08-06-2001, 11:16 PM

No, there was HOPE the lamely titled Phantom Menace was a fake title, but it turned out to be the final title. However, Lucas used this tactic with ROTJ, titling it Blue Harvest in pre-production to throw off bootleggers and media sharks alike. He changed it from Revenge of the Jedi to Return of the Jedi only to make the movie seem less dark.

Robin2099

08-07-2001, 02:03 AM

All the titles for the Star Wars movies have always had really cool sounding titles. They drew you in and made you excited. Attack of the Clones sounds so dull. And it sounds like a cheesy drive in movie.

The Mad Hatter

08-07-2001, 09:45 AM

Okay. According to the website, the title is supposed to reflect a sort of pulpy, serial flick mentality of the 50s. I can understand that to an extent, because the Star Wars movies have always been a bit pulpy and serial-like.

But... I don't think a pulpy, serial title like "Attack of the Clones" will fly with today's more sophisticated audiences.

James Harvey

08-07-2001, 10:15 AM

Ewam McGregor stated he thinks the title is "a terrible, terrible title". I agree.

Failure

08-07-2001, 11:12 AM

Sounds awfully corny. Like some old B-movie horror flick. Personally I thought The Phantom Menace was a pretty cool title. Attack of the Clones... hmm... bad title foreboding a bad movie? I hope not.

Maxie Zeus

08-07-2001, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Failure
Sounds awfully corny. Like some old B-movie horror flick. Personally I thought The Phantom Menace was a pretty cool title. Attack of the Clones... hmm... bad title foreboding a bad movie? I hope not.

"The Phantom Menace" has 30s matinee-serial ring to it, like those old Buster Crabbe/Flash Gordon serials, which is exactly what Lucas was aiming for. But "Attack of the Clones," insofar as it sounds like anything, is like a 50s AIP drive-in flick, and even then sounds pretty half-hearted. At least "Attack of the the Eye Creatures" had that nifty double "the" lodged in the middle of it.

James Harvey

08-07-2001, 11:32 AM

A bad title doesn't mean a bad movie. THis movie could be very cool, but have a sucky title. That's happened to a few movies.

Calhoun07

08-07-2001, 04:54 PM

Let's face it....Star Wars is as about as a stupid, generic sounding name for a sci fi movie as you can get. Back in the 70's, it didn't sound like all that.

Jowy Blight

08-07-2001, 06:10 PM

I heard somewhere that Jar Jar binks is in this one too. Is it true.

James

08-07-2001, 06:41 PM

I can live with it, but then these days - as the Star Wars franchise has become such an over rated and dull cash cow - I can live without Star Wars.

Perhaps because I just don't have ANY expectations of the Star Wars movies the title doesn't offend me, but offers me exactly what I expected. Lucas needs to come out of ranch and take place in a good old fashioned public kicking.

That's a joke.

I think...

The Mad Hatter

08-07-2001, 08:40 PM

Yup, Jar Jar's in there. Supposedly with a reduced role, but he's there.

oranthal

08-07-2001, 11:00 PM

apparently the movie is named after the listeners of the jim rome show. rome had a whole bunch of e-mails from the clones regarding this subject and it was hilarious.

Jowy Blight

08-08-2001, 12:02 AM

Yup, Jar Jar's in there. Supposedly with a reduced role, but he's there.

Well, thats ok, I guess. He never really bothered me like some people I know. As for the title, it could of been worst.

DR. BELCH

08-08-2001, 06:25 AM

--they're Fett clones.

Rocky's a [deleted spoiler] fan, and she'll be clamoring to see it...silly title or no.
Why not "The Clone Massacre"? Or using the word "doppelganger"? It sounds cooler.
Why do I have the urge to break into a chorus of Weird Al Yankovic's "I Think I'm A Clone Now"? :p

Maxie says: Belch alludes to speculation and not known fact, but caution is advised.

don Jaime

08-08-2001, 08:40 AM

I understand Jar Jar was recast because Ahmed Best was in a car wreck. Sounds ridiculous to me, unless he injured his throat somehow.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars apparently wasn't used because the word "wars" appears twice. The fact that it's been the title fans assumed for twenty years doesn't carry weight for some reason....

Bird Boy

08-08-2001, 09:45 AM

it's the official title of the movie.....and, when you go see the Episode 2 toys in stores..well..they won't have the title under neath the packaging.. it'll just say Star Wars....

WHo's everybodys fave character? Mines Boba Fett...(runners up: Vader, then Solo). I would ask everybody who's fave character theres is..but this isn't a thread for that..so, I dunno why I even put any of the above in.. :)

hmm..I haven't read anything about JJB being recast...they were done filming it like 2 months ago anyway. Just adding the CG and crap...

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The Mad Hatter

08-08-2001, 09:57 AM

AAAAAAAUGH!!! Belch, that's a spoiler! I was trying so hard to avoid getting the big surprises ruined for me, and one gets randomly injected for no apparent reason! :mad: Please, be more careful in the future!

Jowy Blight

08-08-2001, 02:20 PM

WHo's everybodys fave character? Mines Boba Fett...(runners up: Vader, then Solo).

I would say it's a tie between Fett and Vader. Both there costumes were pretty cool, I always like the villians for some reason.

DR. BELCH

08-08-2001, 03:12 PM

...I figured there had been enough leaks about the fifth movie that everyone knows who's who and what's what. Rocky mentioned to me her favorite character is in this movie, so I didn't really think I was spoiling anything. Besides, if Lucas is giving out dummy titles, it stands to reason there's a few red herrings being thrown out. For all we know, there are no clones and no Jar-Jar anywhere near the prequel sequel....

Calhoun07

08-08-2001, 04:10 PM

Oh, I am confident the clones will be there. That was in Lucas' original story treatment thirty years ago.

As for my fave character...I reallly like the dark side characters much more, too. Fett and Vader are really cool, and I also really liked all the bounty hunters. I alwasy wanted to see more of IG-88 in the movies.

James

08-08-2001, 06:55 PM

WHo's everybodys fave character? Mines Boba Fett...(runners up: Vader, then Solo). I would ask everybody who's fave character theres is..but this isn't a thread for that..so, I dunno why I even put any of the above in..

It always amazes me how popular Boba is. He has virtually no lines and very little input to the story yet he is one of the most popular SW characters! Even before the books/comics.... how does he do it? The most prolific story with him it is in the Holiday Special and he was pretty incompetant in that....

Solo is my favourite. And the Emperor. Shame he didn't get more airtime....

Calhoun07

08-08-2001, 07:02 PM

Boba Fett is certainly an example of how to make a character enduring by not over using him, and I wish people would learn that more and follow the lead in their own projects (Harley Quinn, anybody?). Boba Fett, you have to admit, was one bad ***** in the movies. He may not have had many lines, but he is the one that successfully delivered Solo's frozen body to Jabba, no easy task (and you find that out more in detail in Shadows of the Empire). I think there was this mysterious mystique about him that made him more appealing, and left fans wanting more. And I agree. Fett is my favorite SW character, too.

Jowy Blight

08-08-2001, 07:19 PM

He may not have had many lines, but he is the one that successfully delivered Solo's frozen body to Jabba, no easy task (and you find that out more in detail in Shadows of the Empire). I think there was this mysterious mystique about him that made him more appealing, and left fans wanting more. And I agree. Fett is my favorite SW character, too.

Yeah, his suit was cool also:D

The Mad Hatter

08-08-2001, 09:01 PM

S'okay, Belch. But yeah, there are a LOT of people who are attempting to be surprised by the flick... despite the intense coverage the first movie got, a friend of mine who works at a record store says that a surprising number of people got ticked that the soundtrack CD (released weeks before the movie) revealed that Qui-Gon died. So, we're out there. :)

Jowy Blight

08-08-2001, 09:15 PM

a surprising number of people got ticked that the soundtrack CD (released weeks before the movie) revealed that Qui-Gon died.

I wouldn't be suprised if something like that happened again. So many websites had diffrent story details and everything for PM. I wonder what people will be doing for AOTC.

I just hope they don't over hype this one too.

Calhoun07

08-08-2001, 10:18 PM

I doubt the hype for Episode 2 will be quite as fierce. People had been wating for Episode 1 since 1984 or so so it's understandable the amount of hype that went into Episode 1. The wait for AOTC has been what? Three years? Not nearly as bad.

Bird Boy

08-08-2001, 10:39 PM

I hated how I found out Darth Maul and Qui died before seeing the movie..still didn't keep me from enjoying it. And I'm putting all below in spoiler crap so I don't offend anyone (I'm talkin' bout you hatter.. ;) hehe)

Episode2 is about the CLONE WARS, how anakin turns to the darkside, he and amidala get married, have kids (luke and leia), then that's all I really know..and all I WANT to know....I don't like spoilers..oops..I guess I should shut this off now

There..hehe.

-BB

don Jaime

08-08-2001, 11:01 PM

Boba Fett? People. Chewie Chewbacca is eight kinds of cool that Boba Fett will never know. And he's one of the good guys too.

Calhoun07

08-08-2001, 11:05 PM

Chewie Chewbacca? Is that the name on his credit card?

Chewbacca also has a cool song all about him on the Clerks soundtrack!

don Jaime

08-08-2001, 11:21 PM

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Chewie Chewbacca
Member since 1977

Actually, that's what he was called on the T-shirt I had at age two. I still have the action figure from the same time, one of the originals. Gun's long gone, though.

Jowy Blight

08-08-2001, 11:27 PM

I still have the action figure from the same time, one of the originals. Gun's long gone, though.

I used to have an old Vader toy.He had a lightsaber and everything. But lets just say, Vader isn't quite complete anymore;)

Scythemantis

08-09-2001, 02:57 AM

To Chewie`s death I say BAH HUMBUG!

I have never considered any book not written by lucas to be a part of star wars continuity.Shadows of the empire is my one exception because lucas likes it enough that he added some aliens and vehicles from it to the star wars special edition.Otherwise all novels are just "fanfics" and should be treated as such.

If I got a novel published in which Peter Parker lost his spider powers and was re-bitten by a radioactive *silverfish*,would YOU accept it? ;)

Bird Boy

08-09-2001, 10:05 AM

I don't accept the books because well..they're bull. I did like SOTE though..I mean..it had it's own video game for cryin' out loud..and action figures!!

Chewbacca dying..nope..if I haven't read the book (and I haven't) then Mr. Chewbacca is still alive for me. I don't plan on ever reading it. Sure, the books are approved by Lucas, but, I don't think they'll have any real staying power like the movies do.

-BB

Calhoun07

08-09-2001, 12:04 PM

I think it's safe to say that books based on any franchise don't have much staying power. The characters that are exclusive to the Star Trek series of novels, for example, aren't really part of Star Trek cannon. I dont' read much of Star Wars or Star Trek books anyway, so I don't really care either way.

James Harvey

08-09-2001, 01:10 PM

I have a couple SW books I picked up in a 25 cent bin once, called DARK EMPIRE and DARK EMPIRE 2. Would these be considered in continuity?

Sveven Dvorking

08-09-2001, 01:29 PM

The Attack of the Clones is a very weird title, especially since human clones are being banned... The movie possibly deals with robot clones?

Jowy Blight

08-09-2001, 02:30 PM

I never consider ANY storys that lucas didn't write as SW fact. Shadow of the Empire was the only excepion to it. I still read the other books anyway.

Calhoun07

08-09-2001, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by DickGrayson
I have a couple SW books I picked up in a 25 cent bin once, called DARK EMPIRE and DARK EMPIRE 2. Would these be considered in continuity?

Actually, they are. Lucas has given these their blessing, as well with the Zahn novels and the other novels. But I tell ya, those two you got and the Zahn novels are the only one worthy of being cannon. I can do with out much of the rest.

The Mad Hatter

08-10-2001, 09:40 AM

Heck, the Zahn novels are even better than the movies, I think. Grand Admiral Thrawn is one of the best villians ever created.

DarkAngel

08-10-2001, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
I don't accept the books because well..they're bull.
Sure, the books are approved by Lucas, but, I don't think they'll have any real staying power like the movies do.

I really don't think that's fair to say. Sure, there have been many crap Star Wars books, but others are truly excellent. Everyone of Zahn's for instance are simply awesome. And the New Jedi Order is the best things that's happened to the book series, because it binds it together. Now great continuity exists between books and there's much less chance of authors going off in the wrong direction and doing their own thing.

The Star Wars novels are official continuity, and I think rightfully so. There's a lot of strong work being done in them. And, to my knowledge, Dark Empire and other SW comic stories are official as well. They certainly fit in with the regular continuity.

For who haven't read many of the SW books, I would recommend it before making negative comments about them. Check out the following:

Timothy Zahn's: Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, Specter of the Past, and Vision of the Future. These are must-read books. This is where it all began.

After that, I'd say to read the New Jedi Order books. Also, Shadow of the Empire was very good.

The above are all high quality work and definitely canon. The New Jedi Order books are written by different authors, so some are better than others. But the fact that there's an overall story really pulls them together, giving overall strength. It's good stuff.