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EinBebop
06-28-2002, 07:04 PM
Let's be a bit more specific here than saying, "better writing"... what specific changes do you think need to be made to make WWE an exciting product again?

Revitalizing the Title Scene
The goal of every wrestler should to be the champion. Not to uphold law and order or any of the other crap gimmicks that have come and gone over the years. In wrestling, everyone wants to be the best... to be champion.

But what kind of champion? There are several titles to be had. Problem is, except for the world title, they mean nothing now. When I was a wee lad, you had your World Champ, you Intercontinental champ, and your tag champs. Any wrestling fan knew who each champion was at any given time. Now, the titles are numerous and dilluted; only a fraction of the value that they were then. For a title to have meaning, it has to have two things... it should be unique and significant.

A Look at the Titles
Tag Team, Cruiserweight, and Women's titles
Two to four competitors competiting for a division at a time is not a division, it's a sideshow. If we're going to have divisions, we need to devote ourselves to one match for every hour of programming in an average week. That means two womens matches on every Raw, and two cruiserweight and tag matches on every Smackown, and don't forget Heat and Velocity, either.

Cruiserweight division... I think they're just about they're already, they're just being a bit cautious. Just one thing. Your cruiserweight champion is the best wrestler in the world against guys his size, and should realistically do well against guys larger than him. In case I'm not being clear: Stop jobbing top cruiserweights to mid- or low-card "heavyweights"! It makes the cruisers look bad and sure doesn't help the heavyweights.

Women's division... Let's drop the whole "champion appears on both shows" idea... the women's division will never be big enough to split into two shows unless you keep trying to put the eye candy (Stacie, Torrie, Terri, Dawn Marie) in the ring.

Tag Team Division... I think they actually had three tag matches on Smackdown anyway; why wouldn't any of those other teams want a shot at the tag champions? What other reason do you have for wrestling a tag match? I've said it time and time again, there is SO much tag team potential on the Smackdown roster if we would just commit. Noone is going to care about Chuck and Billy until they have some legitimate competition. In a perfect world, being a tag team champion should be almost as prestigious as being a heavyweight champion.

European Title
I mentioned uniqueness before. This title has neither significance, since there's few European wrestlers or tours, or uniqueness. It's just another title that can be grapped.

Now one possible idea here is to change the rules for European title matches, and I'm thinking no off-the-top-rope moves, no rope breaks, and *strong reinforcement* of the outside of the ring ten-count rule. Are these European rules? Noone will know or care. But it would favor mat-based submission wrestlers like Regal and Benoit.

But even though it sounds like a cool idea, I don't think there's enough talent to make it beyond a sideshow. There is a place for sideshows, but they shouldn't have belts! It just takes away from the significance of the other belts. Be creative; have the European champion carry a trophy or an EU flag or something. And on the subject of sideshows...

Hardcore Title
"It's dead, Jim." Hardcore Trivia: There have been 78 title changes so far this year. Don't even get me started on 24/7.

When I heard that ECW had gone bankrupt in 2001 and that Rhyno was coming to the WWE, I had a dream for him. He would win the Hardcore title. And on April 1st, of that year, he beat Kane. But they didn't follow up on my dream. Rhyno was supposed to declare that the WWF Hardcore title was gone now, unified with the ECW Heavyweight title. The legacy could have lived on; the title would have some prestige. Fans would have an excuse to chant ECW everynight. Great storyline potential as well, expecially in light of the InVasion. But it didn't happen. And with ECW becoming more distant and the way that the InVasion crashed, fans wouldn't buy into it now.

It's a shame because it would have let hardcore hang on for a couple more years. The art is dead now. It will never progress past sideshow, so it's time to drop the belt, and if you still want a hardcore champion let them carry a golden trashcan as a trophy or something.

Intercontinental Title
Now here's where we have fun. I think that the days of the year-long title reigns are gone forever, so how do we make this title mean something? Guaranteed World title shot if you can hang onto this baby for 90 days! Not necessarily a PPV shot. The champ just has a month to put the title up.

For example: Poor Kane; he wants a title shot, but Shane has said "No chance in Hell!" (By the way, in my dream WWE, Vince has retired. He's just gotten to silly to be taken seriously anymore.) So instead Kane gets his hands on the Intercontinental title. Shane throws a couple of tough guys his way at the next two PPV's, but Kane gets by. Shane is getting desperate.

By making it one possible, definite path to the World title, you've just made it something that people want.

Defending the Title Every 30 Days
And no more. Yeah, you'll have you're "fighting" champions, and guys will make deals/ be tricked into defending more often, but a smart wrestler isn't going to defend the title any more than he has to. It'll give heels something to hide behind, and since every 30 days will mean every PPV in most cases, it will make someone defending the title on television that much more special.

The Split
It's not going away anytime soon. Smackdown can have much tag team and cruiserweight goodness, and Raw can have a women's division and stronger midcard competition for the World Title. We've just given these two shows a distinct flavor, and given wrestlers a reason to switch, since they might feel they fit better on one roster than another.

BLACKHEART
06-28-2002, 07:09 PM
To make the split work there needs to be equal championships on both shows. That means both shows have an IC quality belt. Maybe both shows have their own world title and once a year they fight to see who king of the hill is.

Or to make the split work title wise all titles should be used on both shows.

EinBebop
06-28-2002, 07:14 PM
Apologies to all. I just re-read my post, and grammar-wise, this is probably the worst thing I've ever written. :o

BLACKHEART
06-28-2002, 07:16 PM
Don't worry about grammar. You are after all talking about wrestling.

EinBebop
06-28-2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
To make the split work there needs to be equal championships on both shows. That means both shows have an IC quality belt. Maybe both shows have their own world title and once a year they fight to see who king of the hill is.

Or to make the split work title wise all titles should be used on both shows.


As things stand right now, Smackdown has top level guys and bottom level guys, whereas on RAW everyone is kind of floating around at the same level. I don't see a "#2" title as a very useful thing in the Smackdown environment; I just don't see it being taken seriously.

And if they're going to go complete split, I want it to truly be complete. Having the champion of one show beat another should be very rare.... even once a year is too often in my opinion. Having your champion look like the #2 guy would hurt the entire roster.

Sheamon
06-28-2002, 07:34 PM
Well...

1) End the dilution of titles.

First and foremost, end the idiotic 24/7 rule with the Hardcore Title. Thats far and away the stupidest decision they've ever made with a title considering not only is the thing worthless, but you're also seeing guys get tagged in mere seconds with a single blow. Not only makes the title illegitimate, but the actual wrestling as well. Title holds should be longer, and getting your title shot should be a lot harder. Let me get this straight WWE... You always talk about this #1 contender thing as the guy who gets his next shot at the title. But then you totally disregard that all the time and have someone who isn't the #1 contender get a chance at the title! It makes no sense to talk about a #1 contender if thats not what he is. Simply put, only the leadership of the company (Vince, etc...) can allow the champion to put the title up to grabs. Then we don't have a ridiculous situation of 2 title shots in a week like we'll have next week.

2) Weed out the roster.

Plenty of the roster is pure crap. I could care less about so many wrestlers on the roster it isn't even funny. Among others: Hurricane Helms, Kidman, Tommy Dreamer, Billy and Chuck, all the Hollys, Eddie Guerrero, every woman on the roster, etc... Its simple. Come up with a storyline for these characters and give them time on the air, or fire them. So many on the roster are useless. Thats why Invasion failed. Everyone on the WCW/ECW roster was horrible with a few exceptions like RVD. Then you had WWF guys jumping ship because of that, which made no sense whatsoever and the entire thing blew up in their face. The roster is clearly overcrowded and in their attempt to develop more talent its gonna even get worse. A mass firing would be good if you ask me. Then we might not even need the split rosters.

3) PPVs

This is probably the least likely of my solutions, but I'll say it any way. The PPVs have become practically meaningless because there's one every month. Go back to how it used to be. Wrestlemania. King of the Ring. Summer Slam. Survivor Series. Royal Rumble. Nothing else. With less each one will be more appreciated, there will be higher demand, and more people will watch. I doubt they'd actually do this since it would mean less revenue, but I think in the long run it would end up being better for the company than the current situation.

4) A Main Storyline

The WWE was at its best when it had the Austin vs. McMahanon storyline through 1998 and 1999. Not only was it just those 2, but it involved so many others as well. Undertaker. The Rock. HHH. Shamrock. Boss Man. The Big Show. Chyna. The Acolytes. The Brood. Mick Foley. And so on.... A wide sweeping main storyline that features most if not all of the roster (one that doesn't go away so quickly like Invasion btw) would do wonders for those like myself that are peeved that so many of the wrestlers have no storylines whatsoever. Cause you could involve those wrestlers rather easily if you can't come up with a relevent enough plot for them. It also makes the company look like its going somewhere, something I've been worried about for a while.

5) A relevant women's division

Where do I begin? Fire most of the eyecandy. Stop with the overreliance on blonds with boob jobs, and for christs sake stop giving them the title! The women's division is completely meaningless because the eyecandy which should only be there for that purpose has the title way too much of the time. A small amount of the 'eyecandy' type is alright. But realize that this is a WRESTLING business, and thus the women in the company should be competant wrestlers. BTW, forget about this 'the only attractive women in the world are blonds' thing. Ever think of that revolutionary concept?
Stop targetting the lowest common denominator. You know what I mean. Gravy matches. Pudding matches. Paddle matches. Bra and Panty matches. Etc... Whats the point of the thing going on on Saturday? We've already seen these women in their lingerie 10000 times! This is one of those cases where I as a WWE fan feels personally insulted. I can just think of whats going on in Vince's head now. "Gee, I can't come up with a good storyline or good match tonight. I know! I'll simply have a paddle match! The stupid fans will drool over that instead of thinking!"
And finally, enough of the Vince having an affair stuff. Its ridiculous and has been done with practically every female in the business to the point of absurdity. Make the women's division more like the men's. Focus it primarily on the actual wrestling, not on having eyecandy. That should be an extra, not the core of the division like it is now.

There's obviously more than that. But I can't go on forever. I think I've outlined the biggest problems/solutions. And I'm sure many more will bring the other things up that I'm thinking of (some already have). Thats enough from me for now :p

JohnStewart-GL
06-29-2002, 02:56 PM
heres a few....
weed out the crap just like sheamon said. i think we need to get rid of the worthless.
people like Terri who have no purpose.Billy should go bye bye. And So shold Crash.
Utilize talent The ECW talent hasnt been used to its full potential.like Raven , and especially Dreamer.
Hardcore...FIX IT Change the 24/7 thing and get people like Rhyno back in there.And bring in the sandman.
Risk Take the risk that the WWF used to take.More ladder matches and cage matches and of course more blood.
Bye Bye vince. stop putting yourself in storylines.
Womens division Make it more than T&A. i mean sure i like the T&A but more wrestling should be there. Mabey use people like Jackie and Ivory more who wrestle and push people like torie and stay back unless there gonna start wrestling.
more tag teams right now i have no care for this division whatsoever. we need to put the dudleys back together or mabey just buh buh and spike. and mabey bring in some other teams.

Memphis Bleek
06-29-2002, 03:49 PM
GIVE THE TITLES SOME VALUE AGAIN

Undisputed Title
I like this title the way it is now but I wouldn't announce match for RAW and Smackdown a week in advance. Also give match the champ different opponents. If you are a challenger and you lose you go to the bottom of the list of Undisputed title contenders. No return match on RAW or Smackdown if you lose at the PPV. Make the champ face A DIFFERENT OPPONETS AT PPV. People get tired of seeing the same people compete for this title like Triple H, Hogan, Undertaker, Austin, and Kurt Angle. Give guys like RVD and Jericho a chance at winning this belt. Finally, ALL CHAMPS Women's, Cruiseweight, Tag Team, European, IC, and Undisputed should have a decent title reign not this one month crap

Intercontinental Title
Keep this title on RAW and HEAT. Give the champ more competition instead of the champ wrestling the same challenger week after week like RVD v Guerruo.

European Title
Move the European Title to Smackdown and Velocity. This would automatic make the title more valuable by giving guys like D'von, Batista, Hardcore Holly, Edge, Val Venis, Maven, Mark Henry, Test, and Lance Storm something to shoot for since none of these guys are main eventers yet meaning that they won't a Unidisputed title shoot.

Hardcore Title
Drop the ridiculous 24/7 rule and no more of Terri winning the title. The 24/7 was cool when it first started but now it's a tired gimmick. I would keep the title on RAW. Try to have at least one Hardcore match on RAW and on HEAT

Cruiseweight Title
Have more crusieweight matches whether the cruiseweight champ is involve or not. Use Kidman and Chavo more.

Tag Team Titles
Since their are no tag team on Smackdown and Velocity create some. Revenred D'von and Deacon Batista, Maven and Al Snow, Farooq and Hardcore Holly, Randy Orton and John Cena and Mark Henry and Rikishi should be some competition for Billy and Chuck

Women's Title
The women's division isn't big enough to be split on two shows. Put the Women's division on RAW and Smackdown. This way RAW and Smackdown can have more divas. Have more contenders for the title. I love Molly and Trish but their feud is getting old. Give Ivory and Jacqueline a chance not just a job to Trish because Trish is better looking Jacqueline or Ivory because she is a heel. Bring Victoria up from OVW. Don't rush your young females wrestler like Jacke Gayda and Linda Miles when they are clearly not ready. Start the young kittens off slow like you did with Nidia as a Valets. Use Terri, Torrie Wilson, Stacy Kiebler, and Dawn Marie as Valets and called them Valets don't called them managers. Paul Heyman is a manager not Stacy Kiebler.

QUIT DEPENDING ON ONE PERSON TO SELL TICKETS AND GET RATINGS

The WWF needs to start making the entire show entertaining instead of just having one great main event or main eventer. Your company won't be thrown into shock if one of your big guns leaves.

NO MASSIVE STORYLINES
Every division should have their own storyline and should not be a pawn in a bigger plan.

VINCE
Vince should be an unbiased businessman trying to give his fans what the want. I liked Vince when he was the play by play analyst or the over exxagerating color commentor and wasn't a character on the show. I haven't like Vince since he started the feud with Austin Quit having feud with the top face and siding with the top heel. Quit with the affairs with the divas. I was interesting the first time you did it but now it lame. It is obivious that Stacy Kiebler doesn't want to kiss you Vince so why pretend.

PUT THE TIRED FACE V. HEEL OUT TO PASTURE
A title should be the most important not whether some one is a face or heel. You can have face v. face or heel v. heel match.

This is what I like will fix the WWF.

Leaping Larry Jojo
06-29-2002, 04:40 PM
Easy. Stop letting the Kliq book all the storylines. They nearly killed the WWF in the 90s, and they succeeded in killing WCW. HHH, HBK and Nash and his cronies need to be taken down several pegs or two.

BLACKHEART
06-30-2002, 12:10 PM
Triple H is a much bigger problem then Nash and HBK

EinBebop
06-30-2002, 01:10 PM
I think WWE should make me a manager. Then I'd be all, "Hey, DUDE! My dude can beat you up!" and I'd get chicks and stuff.

GL2k2
06-30-2002, 04:11 PM
I decided to put this here.

I for one am not a big fan of Wrestling and I am one step down from Hating it. But do we really need like 5 threads or so acknowledging all the crap that goes on in Wrestling?

BLACKHEART
06-30-2002, 04:18 PM
Each thread is about a different show. So yes we do need 5 threads. It is no more worse than all the Star Wars and Spider Man topics. Wrestling topics run from Thursday to Monday then they die off. It's not that bad.

EinBebop
06-30-2002, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by GL2k2
I decided to put this here.

I for one am not a big fan of Wrestling and I am one step down from Hating it. But do we really need like 5 threads or so acknowledging all the crap that goes on in Wrestling?

The mods are very strict about "off-topic", even in the wrestling threads; every time we want to talk about something different, we ahve to start a new topic. See, your problem is that the mods are wrestling fans as well, so they don't mind seeing so many wrestling threads on this board. :)

The Game
06-30-2002, 08:42 PM
Something must be done with the titles right away.

The European Title must be moved over to the Smackdown! show as soon as possible. With the IC title being displayed as the premier mid-card singles title, having the European Title on RAW makes it seem worthless. I was thinking the other day, and I litterally couldn't remember who was the champion. Move it to Smackdown and give it a division, or get rid of it.

The Hardcore Title must be destroyed. It's a joke- a bad joke. Get rid of it before more decent wrestlers get jaded by having held this awful thing.

The Tag Team Titles need to be rejuvinized. Billy and Chuck have had then since before Wrestlemania, and they have yet to have a single feud or match that anyone cared about. The most signifigant things they have done is lose the titles to Rikishi and their manager and get stripped to their thongs. Create a decent division, and add some interesting storylines to the Tag Team division before it dies.

With more and more wrestlers debuting, they need to get rid of the wrestlers who are clogging up the roster- not guys like Billy and Chuck who we all hate, guys who serve no purpose, like Crash.

I will address storyline problems in a few minutes.

-The Game

BLACKHEART
07-01-2002, 12:14 AM
I think tag team wrestling might finally be dead in the WWE. The split has put the nail into the coffin. Just think Cole will call Billy and Chuck the greatest tag team champions of all time because they've held the belts for so long. Despite the fact they don't defend them.