Looney Views has been updated, Doc!

[dendawg]

Yep, it's that time of year again.:p Looney Views (http://looneyviews.100megsfree4.com) has been updated with a new editorial (http://looneyviews.100megsfree4.com/editorials.looneyganda.htm) .

Also, since I've seen so many people asking for toons, I've set up a trading place (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/classiccartoontradersclub) for classic toons. Enjoy!

[BobChief]

Your 'editorial' link comes up not found, dawg...:(

[dendawg]

oooops:rolleyes:

here is the proper link (http://looneyviews.100megsfree4.com/editorials/looneyganda.htm)

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by dendawg
oooops:rolleyes:

here is the proper link (http://looneyviews.100megsfree4.com/editorials/looneyganda.htm)

Linclon certainly did NOT 'obsess' over freeing slaves - emancipation was a political expediency to keep England and France from recognizing the CSA.

For anyone interested in the Civil War (all USA'ers should be), see Ken Burn's PBS series - excellent history, great telling.

[dendawg]

Would you like to elaborate your rebuttal? If so, I'd be happy to post it on my site.

[Sogturtle]

Dendawg~

Happyheathen is right. Pres. Lincoln didn't have an obsession on freeing the slaves. The Civil War was indeed about States Rights, which the CSA viewed as including the right to secede, which would protect the continuation of slavery. Abe Lincoln was put in the middle of abolitionist (anti-slavery) feelings of the North and the Southern concerns of States Rights protecting slavery. Keep in mind that Abe Lincoln's mother came from... North Carolina (if memory serves me right)... He may have been an abolitionist, but with that background he undoubtedly had an insight into the Southern mind.

The South was intensely coveted by England for its massive cotton-growing capabilities (keep those English textile mills churning). Lincoln only issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a last resort to further destabilize the South and hopefully end the war sooner. My Southern ancestors buried their collective heads in the sand on slavery... Why you ask? Simple... Slavery had ALREADY BEEN OUTLAWED by England (and even Denmark). An alliance (or God forbid, absorption) by/with England would have resulted in slavery being outlawed in the South shortly after the conclusion of the Civil War!!! Exactly as happened anyway!! If they'd been thinking clearly they'd have freed the slaves themselves and enlisted them in the army of the CSA with a promise of a land-grant afterwards (as CSA Gen. Cleburne advocated). In a most sensible mode they would have done away with slavery themselves years before... But fear and money cloud peoples thinking.

Most of my Southern ancestors enlisted in the army of the USA (on MORAL and SPIRITUAL reasons), and their children joined the Republican Party afterwards. In fact even the children of my few CSA ancestors joined the Republican Party.



"SOUTHERN FRIED RABBIT" anyone? ;););)

[laugh4me]

Maybe obsession is too strong a word, but he certainly had strong feelings on the subject and wished that slavery could be eliminated. But as others have said, it was not the reason for the war.
If you go back and read some of his political speeches (for example, the Lincoln-Douglas debates) it is clear that he considered slavery a moral abomination and that the nation must resolve the issue. When he entered office the war was upon him and the issue of slavery had to be secondary. Eventually he used the conflict to end slavery quickly (which he clearly felt was the right thing to do morally) but only because the politics had shifted to allow him to do so. Freeing the slaves would have probably been far more difficult a task if the nation had remained at peace.

As an example of his words on the subject, I refer you to his House Divided (http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/house.htm) speech which many believe cost him the Senate election because of the "radical" anti-slavery tone within.

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by dendawg
Would you like to elaborate your rebuttal? If so, I'd be happy to post it on my site.

I believe the quote was:

'If I could save the Union by freeing all the slaves, I would do it.
If I could save the Union without freeing any of the slaves, I would do that.
And if I could save the Union by freeing some of the slaves and leaving the others in place, I would do that.'

England and France decided they'd rather not be seen as promoting slavery, so the issue of recognition (and subsequent naval intervention to break the USA blockade) died when the Emancipation Proclamation was issued.

[dendawg]

thank you for your replies! I may have erred in painting Lincoln as obsessed, but I was trying to point to the results of his actions, regardless of the actual motivation behind it. Again, thank you, and your rebuttals will be posted by the end of the week.

Peace