Poll: Worst Dubbed Versions

[Sveven Dvorking]

Even with the 1995 upgrades, many cartoons that have upgraded prints still look bad. What cartoons do you think are the worst "dubbed versions?"

Here are some choices of mine:
Along Flirtation Walk (well, this one is obvious. It is very faded.)
Bone Sweet Bone, A Wild Hare, The Foghorn Leghorn, Scaredy Cat (should have used original titles)

Of course, some of the bad ones actually NEED a dubbed version, such as:
Busy Bakers (so red-tinted that it is painful to watch)

[Jon Cooke]

I haven't seen a "dubbed version" of "Busy Bakers" on CN yet. The times I have seen it, it has been an old un-"dubbed" version.


-Jon

[Patrick McCart]

Yeah, Busy Bakers is still an AAP Blue Ribbon. It has the VERY old 1943 Blue Ribbon opening which is from Eastmancolor stock.

Here's the worst I've seen:

Gorilla My Dreams (The dubbed version looks very poor.)

I think Turner should have used original openings for A Wild Hare and Bone Sweet Bone. If they could re-create cards for Daffy Duck and Egghead, The Night Watchman, and The Bear's Tale, it shouldn't have been that hard to put those credits back...

The dubbed versions will soon become obsolete because of the new high definition masters WB is making from the cartoons. The AAP opening, the Blue Ribbon cards, and the dubbed version ending are all going to become rarities when these remasters make their premire on DVD and hopefully...CN.

Since some of these remasters are restored, I hope they just put a simple card after the end card (not unlike the CST Entertainment Inc card after some 1995 colorizations.) with:

RESTORED VERSION
Copyright MMII AOL Time-Warner.

[Matthew Hunter]

Oh, I think some are excellent, I'd say the dubbed versions were some of the best things to happen to Looney Tunes in a long time, except those terrible title cards and disclaimers. I do like what they've done for most of the cartoons themselves. Look what they've done to fix up awful prints, like "The Wild Hare" or "Bone Sweet Bone". However, the one I think is the worst is "Hiss and Make Up", that one has a black cat that turns blue for long periods of time, the blue is overdone and the rest of the film is underexposed, making the blues stand out and the rest look dark. I also don't like what they did to some of those 1947-48 releases that looked fine to begin with. The "What Makes Daffy Duck" print is awful, and so is "Gorilla My Dreams". I can give a list of best and worst....

WORST:
"Hiss and Make Up"
"Gorilla My Dreams"
"What Makes Daffy Duck?"
"Along Flirtation Walk"
"Daffy Duck and Egghead"
"The Old Gray Hare"

BEST:
"Crowing Pains"
"Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt"
"Bone Sweet Bone"
"I Haven't Got A Hat"
"Scentimental Over You"
"The Wild Hare"

[Brandon Pierce]

What's wrong with What Makes Daffy Duck?! It isn't THAT bad. Am I the only on here who likes the undubbed version?
Oh, yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the difference between un-dubbed Tortise Wins By A Hare, and dubbed version, other than the opening music jumps in the undubbed, and the suicide gag at the end is cut in the dubbed version.

[Thad Komorowski]

There's no dubbed version of "What Makes Daffy Duck?". That's just an old washed out print CN has, but it should end up like "Bone Sweet Bone". The worst is "Gorilla My Dreams". The whole cartoon's print is crappy, especially the opening titles. The best are "Ain't That Ducky?", "Bone Sweet Bone", "Hollywood Daffy", and "What's Brewin' Bruin?"

-Thad:D

[PorkyandDaffy]

GORILLA MY DREAMS - The dubbed version is too bright! They've shown the undubbed version, and it looked just fine. There was no need for dubbing, it just ruined it.

FALLING HARE - The dubbed version has a really bad tint to it.

THE OLD GREY HARE - Just for that ending gag. The dubbed version ruins it.

[Sveven Dvorking]

The actual print may look better, but look what they did with the titles!:mad: I would love to have the original titles version on tape. Now all I have is the blue ribbon version, because of the dubbed nonsense!:mad:

[lislebartman]

The worst "dubbed" version I have seen is "Along Came Daffy". They must have used the old AAP re-issue print (which I have on tape) to work from, because not many of the scratches have been obliterated. They also replaced the closing LT music with the closing MM music.

Please don't knock the un-dubbed print of "What Makes Daffy Duck?". While the print may be old and worn, I'd still rather see it as is without having it "dubbed".

While were on it, I also hate seeing that stupid disclaimer at the end of all the "dubbed" prints! How annoying is that?:mad:

[TServo2049]

I bet you didn't know this, but nearly ALL the Dubbed Versions use the same prints as the previous un-dubbed versions! The only difference is that the color level has been turned up (which not only makes some prints have more vibrant colors, but makes other ones have more severe tinting!).

[Mibbitmaker]

Why do I get the feeling that, once the remasters come out, CN will keep showing dubbed versions?

They have shown redrawn cartoons that are computer colorized already (Daffy's Southern Exposure, anyone?)(didn't mean to make that sound NC17:o )

[Sveven Dvorking]

I hate remasters. The dubbed versions have fake end titles. That bothers me. If the colors were previously faded, that is a natural process in the film. It should not be changed.


-Sveven Dvorking:mad:

[Patrick McCart]

By remastering, that means WB would be transferring the cartoon prints again. It's not a BAD thing at all. If you saw the Stanley Kubrick Collection on DVD, the original set included really grainy, faded, and mono transfers of the films. They restored the movies and then remastered them. The NEW set has transfers of the films that look nearly perfect.

The dubbed versions are remasters, but they're not very good ones. Don't worry, most remasters of films look better than the older one it replaced.

When prints fade, that's not supposed to happen. Prints only fade when they're used too much and not maintained often. The Turner Dubbed Versions are all from theatrical prints as opposed to the masters WB usually used on the ones they own (Notice the lack of "O's" in the top right corner of the frame in most B&W Looney Tunes.) Fading occurs when film is projected TOO much.(AAP would have to use their prints to make 8mm and 16mm prints for distribution, so one cartoon could take a lot of beating.)

Inhibition Technicolor (IB Tech for short) is the longest-lasting color process there is for film. A lot of old 1930's Technicolor prints still exist and look just as good as they did when first released. It's all in how often they're projected and stored. Hot temperatues will screw up film (Old prints from the 1930's and early 1940's are on NITRATE film stock, which can explode under high temperatures. The stock used later which the AAP prints are mostly on are on SAFETY film stock...which can shrink under hot temperatures and become brittle. 1930-1940's cartoons were printed on nitrate film and the later 1940's and 1950-1960 cartoons were printed on safety film.)

AAP got theatrical prints that could have been projected more than 100 times (depending on which cartoon.)

Compare Gorilla My Dreams to WB-owned 1948 cartoon. Notice how the quality is different? WB-owned cartoons (excluding Cinecolor shorts) are mostly from archive prints which did not have the reel change "O's" that are on the AAP prints.

The point of this is that by remastering the cartoons and restoring them, we can finally see what the cartoons looked like when they were released. WB has put out some A+ DVD's and have the technology to make the cartoons look like new.

TV prints are almost always older and less maintained prints because the companies would rather spend money on making better video versions. Warner Japan's Tweety DVD's have been said to have excellent masters of the cartoons (with some from the late 1940's!), so I'm looking forward to what 2 years of restoration and another year of remastering has improved the cartoons.

[Sveven Dvorking]

I don't care to see them how they were released. I care to see them after # years of natural decay.

Unfortunately, remastered versions are almost everywhere, and real versions are impossible to find.:mad:

[Brandon Pierce]

The horror of Dubbed Version is just starting. Now WB is slapping them onto video! Taz's Jungle Jams has The Lyin' Mouse and Gorrilla My Deams dubbed!!! The Big Top Bunny video has a dubbed copy of Tortise Beats Hare!!!! Is this the fate that pre-48 cartoons will face when being released on VHS or DVD? The dubbed versions will be used? Whose idea was that, anyway?!

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by Brandon Pierce
The horror of Dubbed Version is just starting. Now WB is slapping them onto video! Taz's Jungle Jams has The Lyin' Mouse and Gorrilla My Deams dubbed!!! The Big Top Bunny video has a dubbed copy of Tortise Beats Hare!!!! Is this the fate that pre-48 cartoons will face when being released on VHS or DVD? The dubbed versions will be used? Whose idea was that, anyway?!

Brandon!!

You almost scared the bejeebers out of me, by resurrecting a thread started by Seven Dork... MAN, I thought "The EVIL DEAD LIVE!!!"

[The Dork Knight]

Originally posted by Sogturtle


Brandon!!

You almost scared the bejeebers out of me, by resurrecting a thread started by Seven Dork... MAN, I thought "The EVIL DEAD LIVE!!!"

Same here! That scared me! I thought his ban was lifted for a minute!

- Foley Is Good

[Thad Komorowski]

Thank God his ban wasn't uplifted, after insulting everyone on the boards, the big jerk.



-Thad

[John Doe]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sveven Dvorking
Even with the 1995 upgrades, many cartoons that have upgraded prints still look bad. What cartoons do you think are the worst "dubbed versions?"

Here are some choices of mine:
Along Flirtation Walk (well, this one is obvious. It is very faded.)

This one can easily be mistaken for being B&W instead of 2-color Technicolor. Perhaps CST should've computer colorized it along with the B&W Looney Tunes. ;)

[BobChief]

Foley Is Good:

Same here! That scared me! I thought his ban was lifted for a minute!

I was going to PM him to ask him how he managed to get back on...

[DR. BELCH]

Do the banned members still get PM boxes?

Do the dead sing?

[The Dork Knight]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Do the dead sing?

Yes, and it's name is Barbara Streisand. :D

- Foley Is Good:D

[Sogturtle]

quote:

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Do the dead sing?


Originally posted by Foley Is Good


Yes, and it's name is Barbara Streisand. :D

- Foley Is Good:D

Good one!!! :bosko: (Course I'd add Elton John to that... :eek: