JLA Meets The Avengers: Would you love to see this crossover?

[The Dork Knight]

Hell yeah! Could you imagine Thor draw as a character Paul Dini style? That would be great!

- Foley Is Good

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,

I would love to see this crossover, too, because it's actually planned and, I think, getting pencilled.

If I remember correctly, Kurt Busiek is writing it and George Perez is pencilling. This is why I'm really jazzed about this crossover =8^).

-- Ed/Ace

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
Howdy,

I would love to see this crossover, too, because it's actually planned and, I think, getting pencilled.

If I remember correctly, Kurt Busiek is writing it and George Perez is pencilling. This is why I'm really jazzed about this crossover =8^).

-- Ed/Ace

That is the creative team. Can't wait.

[Jor-El]

I'm only a fan of George Perez because I feel like I have to be. His pencils are really very plain and actually boring. It's not like he's so great that we're in awe of his art. It's just because he IS George Perez. You guys must realize that. Same thing about Alex Ross's Superman, who looks twenty years too old, even in modern-day appearances. (Ross's Superman in KINGDOM COME was appropriate, whereas using nearly the same face in PEACE ON EARTH just made him look too old)

I would've preferred to see someone else pencilling this JLA/Avengers title. Someone like Bryan Hitch or Steve Sadowski... someone with a "realistic" style but with more pizazz.

[Toddman]

Originally posted by The Kryptonian
I'm only a fan of George Perez because I feel like I have to be. His pencils are really very plain and actually boring. It's not like he's so great that we're in awe of his art. It's just because he IS George Perez. You guys must realize that. Same thing about Alex Ross's Superman, who looks twenty years too old, even in modern-day appearances. (Ross's Superman in KINGDOM COME was appropriate, whereas using nearly the same face in PEACE ON EARTH just made him look too old)

I would've preferred to see someone else pencilling this JLA/Avengers title. Someone like Bryan Hitch or Steve Sadowski... someone with a "realistic" style but with more pizazz.

BLASPHEME!!!

Okay, not really, but surely you realize art is totally subjective and purely in the eye of the beholder.

As a little kid just starting to read comics, Peréz quickly became my favorite artist. His work on New Teen Titans and J.L.A. are probably the single biggest reason my intersest in comic book publishers has always leaned more to DC than Marvel (he had just left Marvel when I started collecting).

I recognize today as an adult that he is not the most technically gifted penciller and that his skills as an inker and painter are not even as smooth as his pencils. But to call his style "plain" and "boring" is just wrong. He still posseses one of the most dynamic (and unique) styles in the business. One area of his talent that is a technical masterpiece is his abaility to lay out a page and tell a story. I would never call a single panel of a George Peréz page "plain." He usually puts more thought and detail into a single issue than most artist put into an entire series.

I understand where you are coming from, though. I felt the same way about Jack Kirby when I was kid. His style then was very quirky and I could never understand why so many fans loved him. It wasn't until later that I realized how many contributions Kirby had made to the medium and how he totally revitalized an artform. He will still never be my favorite artist (to each his own) when it comes to personal preference of style, but I can definitely appreciate the talent he possesed and the way he used it.

I'm glad that younger fans know Peréz's work and that publicatins such as Wizard haven't forgotten about him. My only gripe is that he seems to be recognizedonly for his ability to draw a fabulous group shot and crowd a panel with as much detail as possible. There is a lot more to his work than that. (Someone once said of Peréz's character designs of the Titans that if each character was shaved bald, you would still know who each one is. That statement may sound funny at first, but look at the characters in a book by almost any other artist and just see if the same compliment could be paid.)

I love Steve Sadowski and Brian Hitch as well (and Hitch is certainly a more technically capable artist than Peréz) but JLA/Avengers was MEANT to be drawn by George Peréz.

And even I wish he had someone else inking his work, however calling Peréz's work anything but "marvelously entertaining" is still just an opinion.

Peace out,

Toddman

[Jor-El]

Originally posted by Toddman


BLASPHEME!!!

Okay, not really, but surely you realize art is totally subjective and purely in the eye of the beholder.

As a little kid just starting to read comics, Peréz quickly became my favorite artist. His work on New Teen Titans and J.L.A. are probably the single biggest reason my intersest in comic book publishers has always leaned more to DC than Marvel (he had just left Marvel when I started collecting).

I recognize today as an adult that he is not the most technically gifted penciller and that his skills as an inker and painter are not even as smooth as his pencils. But to call his style "plain" and "boring" is just wrong. He still posseses one of the most dynamic (and unique) styles in the business. One area of his talent that is a technical masterpiece is his abaility to lay out a page and tell a story. I would never call a single panel of a George Peréz page "plain." He usually puts more thought and detail into a single issue than most artist put into an entire series.

I understand where you are coming from, though. I felt the same way about Jack Kirby when I was kid. His style then was very quirky and I could never understand why so many fans loved him. It wasn't until later that I realized how many contributions Kirby had made to the medium and how he totally revitalized an artform. He will still never be my favorite artist (to each his own) when it comes to personal preference of style, but I can definitely appreciate the talent he possesed and the way he used it.

I'm glad that younger fans know Peréz's work and that publicatins such as Wizard haven't forgotten about him. My only gripe is that he seems to be recognizedonly for his ability to draw a fabulous group shot and crowd a panel with as much detail as possible. There is a lot more to his work than that. (Someone once said of Peréz's character designs of the Titans that if each character was shaved bald, you would still know who each one is. That statement may sound funny at first, but look at the characters in a book by almost any other artist and just see if the same compliment could be paid.)

I love Steve Sadowski and Brian Hitch as well (and Hitch is certainly a more technically capable artist than Peréz) but JLA/Avengers was MEANT to be drawn by George Peréz.

And even I wish he had someone else inking his work, however calling Peréz's work anything but "marvelously entertaining" is still just an opinion.Toddman, of course I realize that we're discussing a highly subjective matter, and I never meant to imply that my opinion carried any more weight than just that: my opinion. And I also understand that, no doubt about it, George Peréz is the only artist that should be allowed to do this crossover, if only for some sort of traditional purposes and not solely just his skill as an artist.

Even so, I'm not blown away by his work. Yes, he knows how to lay out a page. No arguments there. Yes, he spends an incredible amount of time on detail (CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS certainly proved that with all those characters on the same page) but if he was named the ongoing Superman artist, I would be extremely unenthusiastic. Aside from his talents in the storytelling aspect of art... if we just asked him to draw (let's just say) Superman and stand it next to Mike McKone's Superman or Bryan Hitch's Superman or even John Byrne's or EVEN BRETT BREEDING'S Superman, I don't think George Peréz's S-Man would hold a candle. Not by a long-shot.

Like I said, this is all my opinion, and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. I respect the heck out of Peréz, but in my little dream world, another artist would be doing the series, no matter how contradicting I just sounded. :p

[Toddman]

Originally posted by The Kryptonian
Toddman, of course I realize that we're discussing a highly subjective matter, and I never meant to imply that my opinion carried any more weight than just that: my opinion. And I also understand that, no doubt about it, George Peréz is the only artist that should be allowed to do this crossover, if only for some sort of traditional purposes and not solely just his skill as an artist.

Even so, I'm not blown away by his work. Yes, he knows how to lay out a page. No arguments there. Yes, he spends an incredible amount of time on detail (CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS certainly proved that with all those characters on the same page) but if he was named the ongoing Superman artist, I would be extremely unenthusiastic. Aside from his talents in the storytelling aspect of art... if we just asked him to draw (let's just say) Superman and stand it next to Mike McKone's Superman or Bryan Hitch's Superman or even John Byrne's or EVEN BRETT BREEDING'S Superman, I don't think George Peréz's S-Man would hold a candle. Not by a long-shot.

Like I said, this is all my opinion, and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. I respect the heck out of Peréz, but in my little dream world, another artist would be doing the series, no matter how contradicting I just sounded. :p

That's cool. I hope that my "Peréz defending" didn't get too crazy.

And I have to totally agree with you when it comes to his rendition of Superman. I've always thought that his interpretation of that character just wasn't quite right. On the other hand, there are dozens of characters that Peréz draws the definitive version of, in my opinion: Capt. America, Wonder Woman, J'onn J'onzz, The Vision, Firestorm, and of course Nightwing and the rest of the Titans characters.

Plus, as you said, there is a certain amount of tradition for this event (which is odd, considering it's never actually happened before). His never published pencilled pages that were done for the original JLA/Avengers crossover in '81 have only whetted my appitite for this project over the last 21 years.

Toddman

[Nass]

Ya know, the first pages of this crossover are in the new Wizard... perhaps I can get them on the newspage soon, at least I hope so.