A conclusion for Batman

[BrendaBat]

Superman got an awesome conclusion with "Legacy", so it really bugs me that the Batman story was never concluded. In my opinion, if they don't intend to start making new episodes, a second Batman Beyond movie should be made to wrap up the series. Preferably, a movie about where Dick Grayson has been all these years. What are your opinions? :)

[Mike Spiegel]

I would love to see a real conclusion to B:TAS, but it shouldn't be in the form of another Batman Beyond movie. I would love to see a movie of TNBA with Bane or possibly Two Face to end Batman. Not the Joker because he was in ROTJ, and I concider ROTJ to be an ending to Batman Beyond, so no more BB stuff until we get some more TNBA.

[TimTwoFace]

I love writing wrap-up stories that give all involved characters one last shot at animated glory before the entire idea is shelved for good. I think that if they ever do write a final BTAS episode/movie, it has to involve either Two-Face or Catwoman as the major villain - Batman has closer ties to them than any other rogues. (I'd include Ra's Al Ghul, too, but a final story with him involved would probably be too predictable. I would include the Joker as well, but we've already seen his final story.)

The only problem with this is that I don't want Batman's legacy to end! When the writers commit to such a project, they have to realize that once they do this, they can never go back - otherwise, the "final story" wouldn't be nearly as poignant.

-Tim

[GL2k2]

Being a huge Batman fan for years before BTAS, I've always thought about what a conclusion to the whole mess.

I wanted to write a story about Batman successfully ridding the city of super-criminals and found his Batman self slowly taking over his Bruce Wayne persona where he starts going a little overboard. He starts taking out criminals with a faster pace and gets, I guess bored with it.

It becomes all too easy, and then he finally goes overboard and accidentally hospitalizes a burglar breaking into Wayne Manor, who turns out to be Selina Kyle. More and more people start to take on personas of the Joker, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, and even Batman, of course this leads Bruce as Batman to Arkham. Where he eventually learns all of them are there and clueless as to what's happening outside. It turns out, the Mad Hatter and Scarecrow teamed-up to create some kind of nanite contagion that gave them the personalities of the villians they feared. Batman then sets Mad Hatter and Scarecrow free to stop the madness, and they do so, unbeknowst to Bats they set the rogues gallery of Gotham free leaving only robots devised by Hatter of themselves imprisoned.

I know, I know, but it was just an idea.

[DisneyBoy]

I think I just got a headache!!LOL!

Actually, I gotta agree with TimTwoFace on this one...Catwoman and Two-Face are the way to go....

The film could revolve around Catwoman starting to reconcile with Batman, as Selina shows interest in Bruce...finally seeking a little stability...as well as the answer to the mystery of Batman's true identity...Tim's suppressed rage towards Two-Face however, begins to surface...while Barbara starts to feel torn between her feelings for Dick and her attraction towards Bruce...

Ultimately, the film could give us some closure as far as Harvey Dent/Two-Face is concerned...as well as letting us see Dick go off to Bludhaven or whereever he vanishes to...as well as some great Catwoman action! Ok, that may be too much to deal with in one movie...but I wouldn't mind if it were three hours long!

:D ;) :p :) :D ;) :p :)

[TimTwoFace]

I like the way we all think.

;-Y

-Tim

[James]

I agree it would be nice to have wrapped up a few more of the individual enemies, however I felt BB wrapped up enough for me - especially ROTJ - not just for the Joker, but for the Bat Family itself. I think it was all made pretty clear how things went after B:TNA and how they were resolved. So I too see ROTJ as a strong conclusion too.

We did also get a wrap up for Mr Freeze and Bane too... I don't think that's too bad a wrap up for a cartoon... Better than what Spidey got...!

[DisneyBoy]

...good point. And at least with BB, we get to decide for ourselves whether or not we want to believe those things actually happened. Either way, we get a vague idea of what becomes of Robin, Batman, Batgirl, Joker, Harley, Bane, Talia, Ra's Al Ghul and Mr. Freeze. Not bad at all...and this way, the story doesn't ever have to end!
;)

[Patrick Bateman]

But we need more about Nightwing! He is such a complex character it's a shame he never got a movie devoted strictly to him and Batman.

[BrendaBat]

I agree it would be nice to have wrapped up a few more of the individual enemies, however I felt BB wrapped up enough for me - especially ROTJ - not just for the Joker, but for the Bat Family itself. I think it was all made pretty clear how things went after B:TNA and how they were resolved. So I too see ROTJ as a strong conclusion too.
I just think it stinks that Batman Beyond was suddenly ripped off the air. The story was just left hanging. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO DICK GRAYSON!!! :mad: All we got were vague comments from Barbara (when she told Terry that Dick took off after she and Bruce got together, for example). RotJ was a great story about Tim and why the origional "Bat-Team" grew apart, but now I want a Grayson-movie. :) It doesn't nessicarily have to be a conclusion for Batman Beyond, just something to ease the feeling of intense loss left by it's sudden demise.

[Good Ol' Batmanuel!]

Obviously, we all want to see more about what happened with Dick Grayson, but I'd also like to see more about Batman's later career. We saw a little bit of him fighting in the "Beyond" suit in the opening scene of Batman Beyond, but I'd like to see more! I think that would make a really good movie and could tie in well with all the other characters. And do we know why he has a heart condition? Is it just his age, or is there more to it? (if that's something that I should already know, forgive me. ;))

P.S. How do people feel about that robotic arm that Batman was wearing in the Batman Beyond comic, the precursor to the "Beyond" suit? (I'm sure there's a proper term for the suit, but I can't think of it right now) I think it looks cool enough, but realistically, it looks dangerous! One wrong move and he could kill someone! I know it's Batman using it, but still...

[peterparker05]

I posted this on the fan fiction boards and I thought you might find it to be an interesting finale season for TNBA.


Batman: The Animated Series/The New Batman Adventures
Season 6

Episode #1- With A Price On His Head!

Batman and his allies have their hands full when, after the death of his son, Douglas Reid announces a $50,000,000 reward for the death of the Joker that Clayface and the Riddler attempt to collect. (Adaptation of Batman: Gotham Adventures #1)

Episode #2- Life Beyond Fire

Batman is caught in an international incident when Dr. Leslie Thompkins, while caring for orphans in China, is kidnapped by a rejuvenated Kyodai Ken.

Episode #3- Claws

After an encounter with the Dark Knight, Catwoman tells her assistant, Mavis, of the kidnapping of Amy Mercedes and her fallout with Batman. (Adaptation of Batman: Gotham Adventures #4)

Episode #4- Where Art Thou Riddler?

When the Riddler escapes from Arkham again, Batman attempts to ignore his silly riddles until finds their hidden meanings. If he doesn't catch the Riddler by midnight, all of Gotham City will be at his mercy.

Episode #5- Creeped Out

When Harley Quinn kidnaps Veronica Vreeland for a twisted beauty makeover, the Creeper returns to help Robin catch the zany vixen.

Episode #6- The Twilight Of Life

When Red Claw threatens to blow Gotham City sky high, Commissioner Gordon and former secret agent, Alfred Pennyworth, are the only ones that can stop her.

Episode #7- Stuck In His Shadow

In pursuit of the mafia hit man, Blockbuster, Nightwing is forced to ask a favor of the Penguin. However, he can't seem to escape from Cobblepot's web of crime when he's forced to return the favor as the Penguin runs for mayor.

Episode #8- Harvest Moon

Needing a vacation, Batgirl heads for Smallville to visit Supergirl. However, she soon finds the local legend of the Hayseed Demon may lead to the return of Man-Bat!

Episode #9- Laughing Riot! Part 1

When the Joker and Harley Quinn have yet another argument, she vows to never return to her Mr. J. Surprised by his lonely feelings, he holds auditions to be his giggly gun moll. After disastrous stints with Livewire & Calendar Girl, he heads overseas to have some fun in Paris and finds Harley's replacement, Andrea Beaumont.

Episode #10- Laughing Riot! Part 2

Chasing after the Joker all across Europe; Batman is lost on a wild goose chase. However, when Andrea secretly transmits him a message over Morse code, Batman must bring Harley Quinn across the seas so they can stop the Joker before Andrea's been "Harley-ized" or before she kills the crown prince of crime.

Episode #11- Loopholes

Rupert Thorne uses his judicial connections to get Roland Dagget out of jail, hoping to turn Dagget Industries into a successful front company for his criminal empire. But Batman and the Penguin might just stand in his way.

Episode #12- Polar Opposites

Mr. Freeze is forced to aid Nightwing and Batgirl when Grant Walker returns and kidnaps a group of scientists and Francis D'Anjou, the husband of Freeze's beloved Nora. (Adaptation of Batman: Gotham Adventures #5)

Episode #13- Buried Fear

When Dr. Hugo Strange helps the Scarecrow escape from Arkham Asylum, the pair use their combined talents ransack Gotham City and strip Bruce Wayne of the ability to cope with the death of his parents.

Episode #14- Fifty Card Pickup

Nightwing's and Batgirl's plans to try to rekindle their old romance are thwarted when the Mad Hatter creates his own anti Bat-team, the Royal Flush Gang

Episode #15- Nocturna

Raising the stakes in his battle against Etrigan, Klarion The Witch Boy summons the Spirit of the Undead that enters heiress Natalia Knight. Transformed, Natalia becomes Nocturna, Queen of the Vampires.

Episode #16- The Dirty Deal

After an encounter with Clayface, D.A. Janet Van Dorn begins a campaign to put Batman, Robin, Nightwing, and Batgirl in jail.

Episode #17- Lock-Down

When an ex-friend of Nightwing's begins impersonating him as Nite-Wing while committing crimes, Lock-Up escapes from prison to destroy the "greatest deviant in Gotham City"...Nightwing!

Episode #18- The Demon's Stone Part 1

Catwoman has no choice, but to comply when Ra's Al Ghul enlists her to help him steal the powerful Philosopher's Stone. However, a large human sacrifice is needed to activate the Stone's powers of immortality. As Ra's prepares to unleash a deadly virus at Gotham Square on New Year's Eve, Catwoman leaves to warn Batman. This is easier said than done, as Batman has been led to believe through ancient herbs that he's living a peaceful life in Persia with Talia.

Episode #19- The Demon's Stone Part 2

Catwoman and the Grey Ghost (Alfred in disguise) struggle against Talia to awaken Batman to the situation while Batgirl and Robin venture through out Gotham City to find Ra's Al Ghul before he releases the virus and gains the powers of the Philosopher's Stone.

Episode #20- After Dark

While Batgirl visits Arkham Asylum, a power outage strikes and she's forced to keep the peace while trying to figure out which inmate has escaped out of it's cell.

Episode #21- Two Sides To Every Situation

Batman and Nightwing have their hands full while trying to figure out who's kidnapped Harvey Dent's former fiancée, Grace, and stopping Two Face from killing whoever did do it.

Episode #22- Gangland

Superman calls upon Batman when the Phantasm comes to Metropolis to dismantle Intergang and destroy Bruno Mannheim.

Episode #23- Battle Of The Gods

Learning that Wayne Enterprises has bought out his old shipping company, Maxie Zeus mistakes Lucious Fox for Chronos, the father of Zeus. Believing this not to matter, the Gotham City Police Department dismisses the case when Fox complains. However, Batman knows there's more to the situation. In ancient mythology, Zeus gained control of Olympus by killing Chronos.

Episode #24- Broken Bat Part 1

Vowing to destroy Batman, Bane breaks out the Arkham inmates and coordinates them to successfully wear the Caped Crusader down to his breaking point.

Episode #25- Broken Bat Part 2

After saving Mayor Hill from Poison Ivy and receiving a broken leg from Killer Croc, Batman engages Bane in a fight to the end before he kills Barbara Gordon.

Episode #26- Broken Bat Part 3

The Joker joins forces with Bane to overthrow the Gotham City Police Department. With Nightwing, Batgirl, and Robin trying to save civilians from a warring Scarface and Two Face, a brutally injured Batman is forced to stop the deadly duo with his own life hanging in the balance.

[SirLemming]

52 episodes is way too short. Batman Beyond deserves so much more! What becomes of Terry and Dana's relationship? Does she ever find out? She might have enough clues by now. They could definitely do some great episodes now that we've gotten to know the characters quite well. But now there's Justice League...

[peterparker05]

Oh you might be interested to read this as well.

Batman Beyond
Season 4

Episode #1- Targeted

Batman travels to Metropolis in pursuit of the Kobras, only to find they've hired a protector, Curare. Meanwhile, Xander attempts to clone his queen, Max.

Episode #2- The Demoness

When the entire JLU turn up missing, Batman goes off in search of his comrades. However, he calls upon the aid of Jason Blood/Etrigan when he finds the JLU's captor, Felicia Faust, daughter of the powerful Felix Faust.

Episode #3- Dark Ally Part 1

Commissioner Barbara Gordon and Batman are shocked when a new Batgirl appears to help Terry apprehend Mad Stan. Following the new crime fighter on her escapades, Batman finds her to be Melanie, formerly of the Royal Flush Gang. However, when Bruce Wayne does some digging, he learns she was trained by his former partner, Dick Grayson!

Episode #4- Dark Ally Part 2

Visiting him in Bludhaven, Batman finds Dick Grayson running a superhero training camp. After refusing to see Bruce Wayne or Commissioner Barbara Gordon, the former Boy Wonder and the new Batman become allies when one of the superheroes in training is found to be Stalker.

Episode #5- Spare Parts

Attempting to lure Zeta into a trap to adapt his own suit, Shriek kidnaps his companion, Ro. However, the reformed robot calls upon Batman to help him confront the Master of Sound.

Episode #6- Family Ties

Bruce Wayne suspects the worse when he learns that Terry's girlfriend, Dana Tan, might have a strange connection to Inque.

Episode #7- Arch Nemesis Inc.

The JLU once again ally themselves with Batman as the newer, deadlier Injustice Gang has a new member, Earth Mover.

Episode #8- Goosebumps

Only the new Batgirl can save Batman when Spellbinder and his accomplice, Dr. Jonathan Crane a.k.a. the Scarecrow, force the Tomorrow Knight to fear himself.

Episode #9- Struck By Lightning

It appears that over the years, Maxie Zeus has led the good life on his own self-styled Mt. Olympus in Greece. However, trouble starts for Batman when Maxie's estranged son becomes Hercules and declares revenge against his uncle, Hades. As before, the Zeus family believes Batman to be Hades.

Episode #10- Lovesick

After thwarting one of Dr. Cuvier's splicing schemes, Dana accuses Terry and Max of spending too much time together. The relationship is really put on the rocks when Dana and Max are kidnapped by the Kobras. Meanwhile, Selina Kyle shows up to tie up loose ends with Bruce Wayne.

Episode #11- Afterglow

After a nuclear fallout in Kaznia, Blight returns to exact revenge on Bruce Wayne, Batman, and Paxton Powers.

Episode #12- Twisted Past Part 1

Gotham seems almost too quiet for once when the Jokerz seem to disappear. Dick Grayson finally meets up with Commissioner Barbara Gordon when her husband, Sam, discovers his training camp. However, the Jokerz return in the form of the more organized Facerz and Dick provides a startling revelation.

Episode #13- Twisted Past Part 2

Returned from his self imposed exile, Two-Face and his Facerz all but take over Gotham City. However, with Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Barbara Gordon "commanding the troops" from the Batcave and Batman, Batgirl, Max, and the returning Nightwing in the streets, the battle for Gotham City isn't over yet!

[GL2k2]

PeterParker05, very good ideas there. I only have two suggestions. One, too many episodes. Two, some of the stories are repetetive sequels of older episodes from the series, and I've never dug that in any series.

I like #1 "With a Price On His Head!" The first thing is, some of these episodes I can't picture in the TNBA series style more like the BTAS style, but maybe it would bring some nostalgia to do serious storylines with no supervillians like this one. This sounds really good.

#7 "Stuck in His Shadow" This just sounds like a TNBA episode. And I think the audience would definitely want to see more of Nightwing and introducing Blockbuster to the fold wouldn't hurt. Also, this would give Penguin a chance to redeem himself for a shotty run in TNBA.

#11 "Loopholes" Again the BTAS style returns, and hopefully this would shed some good light on Clayface instead of making him a hulking mindless monster like they did in TNBA.

#12 "Polar Opposites" Mr. Freeze, can't lose with him. Besides I always wanted to see more of Batgirl and Nightwing teaming up.

#20 "After Dark" a perfect spotlight episode for her.

#23 "Battle of the Gods" I wanted to see at least just one more episode for Maxie Zeus. He was the most psychological villian of the series a complete and utter over the top madman. This would be a great episode for him.

I mention this many becasue these really are the only ones I liked and thought money should be spent on. Also, add these with 6 episodes from STAS. But this is all wishful thinking.

[James]

The beauty of a series not having a conclusion is that is springs off so many good ideas - I love it. Great stuff!

On the Dick Grayson front, we do know that he is alive - from Barbara - so that's something.

I would have liked to have seen more resoloution to the Batman story in BB however like JMS has always liked to point out life is a never ending story and that neat resoloutions are few and far between.

While BB centers on Terry, it is however in my eyes, it is the Batman's tale, regardless of the holder of the mantle. As of such, to me ROTJ brings resoloution to the troubled period of Batman which starts at the end of BTNA and concludes in the film. A new Batman is established, and Bruce has come to terms with his place in life and that of the Batman.

How many other series give us such a resolution to a tale it takes us to a point when our hero is beyond the age to be main character. In such respects, Batman Beyond itself is the conclusion to the first three Batman series - not just ROTJ! I always see BB as the icing on the cake - the series we would not normally have - the story beyond the story.

A few muddled musings there!;)