The X-Files "The Truth" Series Finale Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

Spooky05

05-19-2002, 10:14 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

and what happened with doggett and reyes???

doggett and reyes: [drive off into great arizonian unknown and are never seen or heard from again]
skinner and gibbson: [join doggett and reyes]

mulder and scully: [fall asleep]

credits: [shot many times by myself]

Chris Sanders MSX

05-19-2002, 10:18 PM

I liked it..Can you say A sequal to the movie ? Or specials. I was expecting more of a complete wrap up and thsi leaves more questions than it answer but did you really think there'd be a way to actually wrap up the X-Files ?

I didn't exactly get what the truth was..I got lost a little bit, somebody explain it.

Rei

05-19-2002, 10:21 PM

If I understood it right the truth was that an alien race would invade Earth in 2012 and that the government would hide out in a base where the aliens couldn't reach them because of the rocks. Which is why the supersoldier flew straight into it. So they would hide and let everyone else die. Because of that info Mulder didn't want to tell anyone. At least that's what I thought happened.

RogueMartian

05-19-2002, 10:26 PM

I suppose it was as good an ending as any....

After all how else would a series that's gone so downhill in recent years end? Either the conspirators would have been destroyed, in which case it would have been as much of a sell out episode as the one where scully's son no longer has any problems due to the magic potion that Mulder's half brother gave him. Or the ending could have been the conspirators go on and Mulder and Scully lose and can't do anything to alter it.

I don't know if I would have ended it any different if I was in charge.

Spooky05

05-19-2002, 10:32 PM

well, it could have gone beyond:

mulder: there may be hope.. [sleeps]

that just...that just was not RIGHT!

also- did anyone else notice that this was filled with quoteworthiness?

Chris Sanders MSX

05-19-2002, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Rei
If I understood it right the truth was that an alien race would invade Earth in 2012 and that the government would hide out in a base where the aliens couldn't reach them because of the rocks. Which is why the supersoldier flew straight into it. So they would hide and let everyone else die. Because of that info Mulder didn't want to tell anyone. At least that's what I thought happened.

Right but the cig man said that Mulder was there or something. And how do they know about something that hasn't happened yet ?

Spooky05

05-19-2002, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Chris Sanders MSX

Right but the cig man said that Mulder was there or something. And how do they know about something that hasn't happened yet ?

the mayans that built the pueblos there knew about it. december 2012 is when their calender stops.

JohnCrichton

05-19-2002, 10:47 PM

I'll tell you what they could've done. They could've spent alot less time on those final episodes of the series just frelling around and actually start building up some story to tie the series up.

Eh.... they had better bring out a movie.

*grumbles*

See, this is why I don't watch X-Files. At the end of EVERY season they promise to answer everything and the DON'T!

I could've hit Mulder so many times with his vague answers. He couldn't tell anybody that an invasion was coming because that truth was too horrible???

I thoguht we already knew an invasion was coming!!!

RAH!!!

:mad:

Sheamon

05-19-2002, 10:57 PM

After 9 years of faithfully watching the show...

...it was all a waste of time. Thats all I have to say.

Chris Sanders MSX

05-19-2002, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by JohnCrichton

Eh.... they had better bring out a movie.

:mad: [/B]

AMEN. If there's no movie, I kill .

CadaverousEyes

05-19-2002, 11:31 PM

I like downbeat endings. Guess I'm the only one. With a series like this, how can you expect a happy ending where everyone knows about aliens and the goverment is uncorrupted? Sounds kinda hokey, really.

Borg4of3

05-20-2002, 12:04 AM

First off, I'm not really an XPhilly - but I've followed thru most of the changes and the conspiracies from the beginning.

I liked the episode. The first half was a great way of showing how blind everyone was to the truth, while summarizing the entire show's confusing continuity. It was great having all the shattered pieces come together in one long scene, yet also showing there are more pieces that have yet to be uncovered, while showing how each of the characters have grown, and how they relate to one another. The first half accomplished a lot imo. The second half was the shocker - cig man's reappearance and final speeches were golden, and the truth is finally revealed. I just wish the 'truth' was more startling - with Mulder seeing so many dead people, I thought that they were going less into the alien-invasion conspiracy bit, and more into 'the spiritual truth'. Considering how many religion-based episodes they had, I really was hoping for that instead. Other than the letdown, built up by my personal hype and expectations, I really did like the ep.

JohnCrichton

05-20-2002, 12:05 AM

Yeah, damn right, MSX!!!

Kill, kill, kill, kill!!!!

You know, they could've done a jaw drop ending where in the end we find out that we're the aliens going to invade another planet or something.

Shadow goverment was building a super soldier army and x-planes to go and conquer another planet or something.

Get creative.

But what did they decide to do with their final episodes? I don't know.. some thing about the ghosts of the Brady Bunch??????

0_o

Blackjack

05-20-2002, 01:21 AM

That's IT? THAT'S IT?!?! FINAL FANTASY SEVEN HAD A MORE FULFILLING ENDING THAN THIS!!!!

So, nine years of building up to...ROCKS? FREAKIN' ROCKS?!?!

*pounds Chris Carter's head with an Ugly Stick* YOU...FREAKIN'...PUNK!!!!!

*sobsobsob* Oh well...back to re-watching the last five minutes of "A Million Points of Light"...

JohnCrichton

05-20-2002, 02:02 AM

That's IT? THAT'S IT?!?! FINAL FANTASY SEVEN HAD A MORE FULFILLING ENDING THAN THIS!!!!

LOL!!!

:D

I'd say it was about as bad... ;)

Failure

05-20-2002, 08:15 AM

I liked this ep, it wasn't great, and it wasn't the most satisfying ending, but it feels like a springboard to future movies. I lked how they did a pretty good job of tying everything together from the first 6 seasons or see in a neat & nice package. Only problem with that was I had no problems following the continuity in the first 6 seasons. It's the last 2 or 3 that got me confused. They still didn't explain whether the super-soldiers were government created or whether they were human replacement aliens. I also would've liked if they did at least even a gloss-over of what happened to Skinner, Doggett, Reyes, Kersh, etc.

It was cool seeing the flashbacks and old characters though. Man, X was soooo cool.

I've got to wonder about the future movie though. Carter said he wanted to do a standalone, but it's not like the FBI is going to welcome Mulder & Scully back anytime soon. It looks like they'll be on the run for the rest of their lives. I can't imagine him doing a non-myth movie.

James Harvey

05-20-2002, 09:29 AM

There will be a second X-Files movie. Carter says the movie will "stand alone" but will also answer some of the questions. The series was left with an open ending to make way for the movie , which will hit in 2004 according to Carter.

wonderfly

05-20-2002, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Failure
I liked this ep, it wasn't great, and it wasn't the most satisfying ending, but it feels like a springboard to future movies. I lked how they did a pretty good job of tying everything together from the first 6 seasons or see in a neat & nice package. Only problem with that was I had no problems following the continuity in the first 6 seasons. It's the last 2 or 3 that got me confused. They still didn't explain whether the super-soldiers were government created or whether they were human replacement aliens. I also would've liked if they did at least even a gloss-over of what happened to Skinner, Doggett, Reyes, Kersh, etc.

I think they clearly stated earlier in this season, or last season, that the Supersoldiers were aliens that replaced humans. Just another wierd alien race though. I wish they could have detailed how many alien races their were. I mean, we had Alien shapechangers, black oil, and the typical Rosswell alien, the savage alien from the movie, the renegade faction with the deformed faces, and now we have supersoldiers. But aren't all these tops offshoots of the same race or something?

Overall, I liked the ending. Is it safe to say that the smoking man is dead this time though?

Failure

05-20-2002, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by wonderfly

I think they clearly stated earlier in this season, or last season, that the Supersoldiers were aliens that replaced humans. Just another wierd alien race though. I wish they could have detailed how many alien races their were. I mean, we had Alien shapechangers, black oil, and the typical Rosswell alien, the savage alien from the movie, the renegade faction with the deformed faces, and now we have supersoldiers. But aren't all these tops offshoots of the same race or something?

Overall, I liked the ending. Is it safe to say that the smoking man is dead this time though?

I guess my confusion with the supersoldier/homan replacements is that Doggett keeps referring to them as a military project, while if they were aliens this wouldn't be the case. And if they arent govt projects, but aliens in fact, why are they working with the govt, if they plan on invading in 2012? I also wish they would've explained what happened to the black oil and the bounty hunters and shapeshifters, since they all but disappeared in the last couple seasons.

I'd say CSM is dead this time. a sfx-tacular incineration. ;)

TheHuntressDiana

05-20-2002, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Sheamon
After 9 years of faithfully watching the show...

...it was all a waste of time. Thats all I have to say.
8 years for me (I didn't watch this past season, save the ending)...and I felt cheated.

wonderfly

05-20-2002, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Failure

I guess my confusion with the supersoldier/homan replacements is that Doggett keeps referring to them as a military project, while if they were aliens this wouldn't be the case. And if they arent govt projects, but aliens in fact, why are they working with the govt, if they plan on invading in 2012? I also wish they would've explained what happened to the black oil and the bounty hunters and shapeshifters, since they all but disappeared in the last couple seasons.

I'd say CSM is dead this time. a sfx-tacular incineration. ;)

Doggett does that because he's in complete denial over the aliens. He's worse than Scully ever was in the first 3 seasons. He refers to them as a military project because the first supersoldier they met was an old military buddy of Doggett's.

As for how the supersoldiers are working with the govt., I don't think they clearly were. Heck, the Syndicate (that's the Smoking man's group) was disbanded or dead pretty much anyway, so I think any conspirators in the govt. by this point in the story were alien replacements. Like one of the judges on the panel putting Mulder on trial was an alien. They're pretty much infiltrating all levels of govt. by this time. So I guess the supersoldier/infiltrator storyline makes sense in that they aliens are now doing most of the conspiring. They don't need the Smoking man or anyone now.

Still, I think several plot threads are still left open, but that's okay, as long as there is a movie.
:)

Evil Dr. Reef

05-20-2002, 12:00 PM

I liked it... until the last 5 minutes. What the hell was that about? It was going along great, and then it took a nosedve to suckville right when it could've been great. Oh well. With any luck, the 2nd movie will be better.

Spooky05

05-20-2002, 12:55 PM

i think that a friend's fellow x-file RPer said it best::

as a series finale, it sucked big time. but as a catalyst to the movie, i guess it was pretty good.

BLACKHEART

05-20-2002, 01:44 PM

I didn't watch it because I turned to see the one hour Simpsons seaon finallie and got the X-Files instead. What's up with that? I watched the crappy House on Haunted Hill instead. I haven't been a bg fan of this show, but I should watched to see how it ended, but I just couldn't.

DarkAngel

05-22-2002, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Evil Dr. Reef
Well, the very last episode of The X-Files aires tonight. I, for one, will be sad to see it go. Post your reviews/thoughts/lamentations here.

It reminded me of the Seinfeld finale which also featured a trial with clips from past shows. In this case, I guess it was a good think. After all these years, the events we've seen depicted in the X-Files is a complete blur in my mind. It was nice to see some of the major events of the mythology highlighted through the trial. But this would have worked a lot better 5 or 6 episodes ago as the beginning of a story thread that would conclude the series. What's the point of sitting through 9 years of this stuff just to go into movies, which won't give any answers either, but just set up for the next sequel. And if the movie doesn't do well, there won't even be a sequel.

The final episode wasn't bad as an episode, but not the proper way for a series to go out.

DR. BELCH

05-22-2002, 10:35 AM

So The Cigarette Smoking Man grew out his hair and chose to live his days out in a cave in the desert like some strange cross between Bin Laden, a hippie, and an Indian medicine man? That I get less than why Mulder didn't seem angry that Scully gave away their (alledged) son...or why his deformed half-brother Spender, who is a pariah in Scully's eyes, was permitted to testify.
Maybe it was just the bad reception on my TV, but I wasn't especially impressed, even when the caves were blown to bits (they couldn't just go in and remove CSM? I'd think a man like him would be more valuable living than dead, with what he knows...they could pick his brain twenty years and still come up with only a fraction of the big truth).

Failure

05-22-2002, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Maybe it was just the bad reception on my TV, but I wasn't especially impressed, even when the caves were blown to bits (they couldn't just go in and remove CSM? I'd think a man like him would be more valuable living than dead, with what he knows...they could pick his brain twenty years and still come up with only a fraction of the big truth).

I don't think they knew the CSM was there. I think they believed that Mulder & Scully were hiding in there.