More redrawn LT observations

[John Doe]

I was scanning an old Beta videotape from 1983 a few weeks ago (yes I still have a number of Beta tapes and 2 working machines!) and came across the last few seconds of the redrawn "Porky's Hare Hunt". 2 things that stood out: the colored background on the iris out (red?) and the iris itself was heart shaped! My copy has the WB-SA ending and, probably by pure chance, the O's in cartOOn bounced in perfect sync with Porky saying "Th-th-th-that's all, folks!" I used to think the WB-SA ending was created as a visual substitute for Porky coming out of the drum, until I saw the late 60s LT and MM shorts on Nickelodeon.

Another redrawn that features an oddity or 2 (or more!) is during "The Daffy Duckaroo". This is where Little Beaver is trying to kiss Daffy (disguised as the Indian maid) and right in the middle of the scene comes some sort of card with numbers or letters on it. I don't remember exactly what the card said, but I still have this on tape so I'll check on it. There are no less than 2 instances where a character speaks but their lips don't move: Daffy "Stick 'em up or I'll blow your brains out!" and the Indian at the very end "No fit 'um put-put!"

So while we wait for the future update on the redrawn cartoon site (belongs to Calvin Crowe), do any of you have more redrawn oddities, pet peeves, etc. to share? (Other than the fly stuck under the glass in "Ali Baba Bound") ;)

[Jack]

You can see the camera reflected in almost every scene of "Porky's Ant." Otherwise, I'd have to say it's one of the better redrawns, at least with the shading on Porky.

Also, because they didn't trace every frame, Porky magically slides through the jungle in "Robinson Crusoe Jr." It's really freaky seeing the land just move under him like that. Also, Friday's hair is colored brown, just like his body, but you can see the outline for his hairline. They didn't color his hair black so he looks bald with an outline all arround his head.



Jack:D

[BobChief]

John,

The eye-like double-O effect -- held over from the "VVB" titles of the post-63 era -- was most definitely made to synchronize with a part of the closing music! In the earlier ones it goes into action in sync with the off-key part of Bill Lava's theme. That was absolutely intended...:)

[Patrick McCart]

The reason for such a long gap between updates for the Colorized Cartoon Database is because I want to have 50 cartoons fully imaged, documented, and the rest of the site re-designed before re-opening it.

I'm close to getting a video capture card, so there will be a ton of Popeye's added.


As for more odditys...

One frame of Porky's Bear Fact's has a shot of the animation table. It's on the Cartoon Explosion DVD, so you could find it better.

Puss N' Booty's Petey Bird sleeps with his eyes open.

In the Betty Boop cartoon, Is My Palm Read?, the ghosts chasing here alternate between being opaque and translucent.

In Goonland, the live-action hand repairing the film at the end was not redrawn, so the film magically repairs itself.

The commercial for ".tv" features a clip from the redrawn Picador Porky (The bull pulling a plunger off of his nose.)

Porky's Poppa's ending (B&W and computer colorized) is from the redrawn version. My best guess is that the "best" print they used had too much damage to the end.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by Patrick McCart
Porky's Poppa's ending (B&W and computer colorized) is from the redrawn version. My best guess is that the "best" print they used had too much damage to the end.

Using a redrawn ending? That's about as stupid as showing a colorized version with the color off (which is very stupid). They should have used an attached ending from another LT released in the same season.

[Patrick McCart]

I don't mean the "Porky in the drum ending." I mean the actual last scene of the cartoon. I asked Jerry Beck about this and he didn't know that WB's B&W and computer colorized versions have this.

Being that WB is remastering the cartoons now, they probably got a better print...since it's the only B&W Porky that has a redrawn scene.

[Sveven Dvorking]

That makes even less sense!
Might as well edit the scene...:rolleyes:

[Patrick McCart]

Given that WB only wanted to use existing prints for that version, it was kind of creative of what they did. Since nitrate decomposition is most severe at the beginning and the end of a reel, the entire end scene on that print might have been really badly preserved.

If WB edited the scene out, it would make the cartoon worthless because the ending resolves the plot.

Does anyone know if this cartoon is on laserdisc or VHS?

[Sveven Dvorking]

I guess editing would ruin it. If I hadn't visited this board, I wouldn't have known a redrawn scene was used anyway.

[Bum]

Originally posted by BobChief
John,

The eye-like double-O effect -- held over from the "VVB" titles of the post-63 era -- was most definitely made to synchronize with a part of the closing music! In the earlier ones it goes into action in sync with the off-key part of Bill Lava's theme. That was absolutely intended...:)

Bob,
I used to think the same thing too, but remember...... the first cartoons to use the "bouncing eye" effect in the closings are the three cartoons from the "classic era" [NOW HEAR THIS, BARTHOLOMEW VERSUS THE WHEEL, and SENORELLA...], and those three films don't have any closing music; they end with the sound of Westminster Chimes followed by a bicycle horn honking. The horn honks right in sync with the eyes bouncing. So those closing titles existed a few years before Bill Lava's "modern" LT closing theme started appearing in conjunction with them. So, if anything, I'd have to say that the music was composed to syncronise with the animation, not the other way around. And as for the later hand-colored cartoons, where the "bouncing eyes" sync perfectly with Porky's voice............ that has got to be the biggest combination of coincidence and dumb luck that I've ever seen in my life!!!!!

[TServo2049]

Here are some more redrawn LT observations:

In The Daffy Duckaroo, "TICKET SCALPING" is redrawn as "TICKET SCALPINO," and "LOS ANGELES" is redrawn as "LOS ANCELES."

In one cartoon (forget which), "SID SUTHERLAND" is redrawn as "SID SUIHERLAND."

In Porky's Prize Pony, "Rich Hogan" looks like "Rich Mogan."

In A Coy Decoy, "VAN DYKE'S FABLE" is redrawn as "WAN DKE'S FABLE."

[Sveven Dvorking]

You said the three cartoons from the "classic era". Remember that the classic era for WB cartoons ended in 1969, not '63 or '64. I find it an insult to classic cartoons when the 1964-69 cartoons are not included.