Could the JLA defeat the Z fighters

[I.R Joey]

http://boards.wizardworld.com/ubboard/Forum49/HTML/032352.html


This discussion was going on at Wizard world and you're welcome to read it.


I'm thinking that the battle could honestly go either way. You see with the Flash's speed Force power, and Aquaman/MM 's psychic powers I think they could do it. Plus we have the GL with a weapon who's powers have yet to be pushed to their limit. By far the JLA have highly diversified powers.


In the Z fighters favor, the fact that they can augment their powers like speed and power. Plus in some cases limb regeneration, teleoprtation, and the much feared fusion techniques.


BTW Before someone says it, the sheer force of exerting Z like powers, can bowl people over. And no don't let your personal bias against Z/GT cloud your judgement. Think about it for a while before answering. That is all.

[mxyzptlk]

jla is who i say.

[I.R Joey]

Any particular reasons Myx?

[mxyzptlk]

they do not have to power up i mean by the time goku has powered up supes could have killed him.

[The Mad Hatter]

I think this was already said in a "Supes vs. (some random DBZ character with a fruity name)" discussion, but pretty much any American cartoon could kick their butts, since the DBZ people have to taunt each other for upwards of five minutes before throwing the first punch, and often stop to taunt each other some more.

Besides, I think the Death Star would win.

[don Jaime]

Is the Martian Manhunter involved? Because if he is, with speed demons Supes and Flash, too, JLA conquers all. The telepath puts them over.

[I.R Joey]

1. Keep in mind Myx that the Z fighters exert an incredibly powerful force when they power up, secondly it is not at all unlikely that when their power up time is greatly increased to allow our eyes to watch it.

2. I don't know if Speed would be such an issue Jamie. If you think about the only reason we see their punches and attacks is because its slowed down so that we can watch it. If an average person was watching it would be to fast to follow. They would just appear as flashes if even that. Case in point during the Cell games when the Reporter and the others where watching. As for the Telepaths you may have a point there.

3. It really depends on who Hatter, as far as taunting. I don't think Piccillo would waiste that much time taunting his opponent before getting it on. Plus, something tells me that they would have the sense to move if someone rushes them while they're powering up.


Sorry to play Diablo's advocate with ya guys, I just think the issue is more complex then what you're making it out to be.

[don Jaime]

I recall a top ten toughest superheroes article I read in a Wizard some years back that placed Superman and Flash ahead of telepath Professor X on the presumption they would move faster than his synapses could fire. I don't know that I buy that, but it's a possible opening, would easily wasted if they don't charge J'onnz at the outset.

As for speed, I'm pretty sure the Speed Force trumps anything else out there.

[mxyzptlk]

silver surfer was 1
thor two
supes 3

hulk 10

thats all i remember from that article

[I.R Joey]

Hulk came in 10 interesting....


One thing, i think alot of this comes down to how we view the concept of Chi...

Is it in fact a supernatural ability.

If so all of the Z fighters would be able to beat Supes, who "is" weak against magic.

[Nightwing]

I say The Justice League, although both sides seem to have the exact same occupation objective don't they? Hehe. Anyway, even though I like DBZ, I think the crazy and constant augmentations of their power's abilities is just too much. At one point in the Freiza saga, Goku zapped Frieza while he was down in order to "give him some of Goku's engergy" so he'd be strong enough to leave the dying planet Namek. It feels like new stuff like that is added just for the fudge of it.

Plus I've noticed some strange fighting patterns with DBZ (even though I like them). It seems they are not accustomed at all to fighting as a team. It's always one on one, or a bigger number of one on one fights. The Justice League has strong teamwork.

I love DBZ's characters. But as far as this debate goes, I am as loyal to all my favorite fighters in The Justice League as they are to each fight they jointly dedicate themselves to winning.

[I.R Joey]

I don't know the fusion techniques seem to me to be a great example of teamwork, infact the ultimate example. And we did actually see Piccilo, Gohan, and Krillan focus their energy to help goku form a Genki Dama against Freeza.

Still this comes into play, could Supes take a full fledged Spirit bomb seeing as how it "is" Supernatural in nature. Again Irestate my question is Ki/Chi supernatural?


Oh in the JLA's favor Flash does have the ability to steal speed from people. If he does manage to steal their Superspeed then it would give them a serious advantage.

The prospect of J'onny boy not being able to think fast enough to get a lock on (seeing as how he and Xavier are on the same level) is very interesting. If this where the case he would more then likely not be able to catch any of the higher level Z warriors. Add in the two teleportation techniques.

Goku's kind where he has to zero in on a life force.


and Buu's kind where he can just transport himself.

Wonder Womens abilitys could come in handy here. If she grabs anyone with that lasso, she could turn one of the Z fighters against their pals.
These are the things we must think about.

[I.R Joey]

*Takes electro shocker thingys and begins to act all medical drama*


Live Thread, darn it live

[Mr. Obsession]

I've read through about half of that thread and it mostly seems one sided (JLA 10/10!!!!!!!! NO DBZ ONZ!!!).

Anywho there were some good points made on both sides. My favorite comment however was the thought of what if Flash gave Goku speed? Goku goes to punch a JLAer and finds himself on the other side of the planet. Goku moves towards a JLAer and finds himself on the other side of the galaxy.

That said, I think the JLA could take the Z fighters at least 5 times out of 10. Neither side is going to win every time, something most people in the other thread refuse to believe.

Now why could the JLA win?

Because of the way the Z team fights. First they rarely fight as a team it usually ends up one on one. Second they never start off with their most powerful attacks. And third, Goku. Yes, Goku. The problem here is that Goku fight fair. What do you think is going to happen when Goku realizes that Batman (one of the greatest martial artist in the DCU) has no powers? Goku will end up fighting someone like Batman on terms where Batman has a chance. In a fair fight, a test of skill, who do you think is going to win Batman or Goku?

I'll let someone else who's more knowledgeable about the JLA speak up now.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

If you've seen some of the later DBZ movies (though I wouldn't blame you if you haven't), you might change your minds about power levels and teamwork. They once fought some guy named Brolly, and all five of them worked together to fight him at the same time. Goku shot some people into the sun a couple of times, and Vegeta blew up a couple of planets. Plus, it's really hard to kill Goku. He seems to be able to come back from the dead time and time again. But then, same with Superman.

As for fighting fair...Vegeta doesn't fight fair, and if Goku refused to fight Batman on an uneven level, Vegeta surely would have vapourized Bats instead.

In the end, it would come down to Wonder Woman, Superman, and the Flash. And if they kill Goku while Gohan is around, Gohan will get REALLY REALLY mad and turn into some super-duper-untouchable Saiyan.

[don Jaime]

You know, just having Wonder Woman around is going to eliminate a chunk of the potential opposition, notably Kuririn and the weaker fighters like Yamcha. (Is he even invovled anymore?). One look at that star-spangled bikini and they'll die of nosebleed.

Batman's role is as tactician, not slugger. He's certainly not stupid enough to face them without scoping out any weaknesses first. I imagine he lurks in the shadows until he sees something useful - probably how grabbing a Saiyin's tail makes him scream in agony and offers an opening to rabbit punch him.

I recall useless old Aquaman dropping Martians by fooling around with their brainstems with that aquatic telepathy of his. That could come in handy.

And as has been stated before, Speed Force, telepathy, power ring, blah blah blah.

It'd be a good battle, better than against any of the Marvel teams who just don't have the heavy hitters to challenge the force of nature that is the JLA. The range of ability still favors the JLA, though. Once they find the weakness of one Saiyin, they've just got to do it over and over. The DBZ crew has to come up with a unique answer for almost every Justice Leaguer, and with very little time to do it in.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by don Jaime
You know, just having Wonder Woman around is going to eliminate a chunk of the potential opposition, notably Kuririn and the weaker fighters like Yamcha. (Is he even invovled anymore?). One look at that star-spangled bikini and they'll die of nosebleed.

Batman's role is as tactician, not slugger. He's certainly not stupid enough to face them without scoping out any weaknesses first. I imagine he lurks in the shadows until he sees something useful - probably how grabbing a Saiyin's tail makes him scream in agony and offers an opening to rabbit punch him.

I recall useless old Aquaman dropping Martians by fooling around with their brainstems with that aquatic telepathy of his. That could come in handy.

And as has been stated before, Speed Force, telepathy, power ring, blah blah blah.

It'd be a good battle, better than against any of the Marvel teams who just don't have the heavy hitters to challenge the force of nature that is the JLA. The range of ability still favors the JLA, though. Once they find the weakness of one Saiyin, they've just got to do it over and over. The DBZ crew has to come up with a unique answer for almost every Justice Leaguer, and with very little time to do it in.

Saiyans don't have tails after a while. They get cut off like an umbilical cord.

After episode 170 or so, the Saiyans don't have weaknesses. And since Z fighters pick up different moves after learning stuff independently, what works against Vegeta may not work against Goku. You basically have to beat them over and over and over ad nauseum, and if you're not strong enough, goodbye. And since Saiyans learn new powers every 20 episodes or so, that gives them an edge. Oh, and Saiyans have a sort of telepathy later on too, and they can, like, mess around with people's minds. They've also recovered from mind wipes ON THEIR OWN. Trust me, Toriyama must have built his Saiyans after researching every potential threat. Heck, the Z fighters could probably survive A-bomb blasts at their peak. Dragon Ball Z may be a tedious show, but Akira Toriyama has crafted some very fine demi-gods here. That's why it gets boring watching DBZ--because they eventually don't have weaknesses.

No doubt about, brains won't work here, at least with the saiyans from the later episodes. This fight is not about finesse or wit. It's all about brute strength, really, and might is what makes right. Superman could try throwing Goku into freezing water (won't work), punching Goku into space (teleport back), or whatever, but all in all, Superman and Goku are matched. Gohan, in super-duper-electric saiyan form, could slow down his perception of time and catch Flash off-guard, and Vegeta is an incredibly sneaky brute-force fighter. Batman could make up some suit to fight them, but unless Batman finds a way to crash the sun into the earth, most of his efforts would be futile. Batman has lost fights to lesser villains before, and only luck has made him survive. Batman would be the kind of guy who'd let his JLA comrades die, escape underground and plan for 20 something years to kill the Saiyans.

In the end, I'd say the JLA would find some way of averting a disaster by convincing Goku that he's saved the world. And then Goku and company go off on their merry way. It'd have a really lame ending.

Who'd SURVIVE the fight, if it becomes a deadly brawl:

JLA: Wonder Woman and Batman.

Z fighters: Gohan and Vegeta

[don Jaime]

I've only seen earlier episodes and doubt I'll see these supercharged Saiyins, because like you said, it gets boring fast. That said, there's always a weakness, no matter how good you get. And your take on Batman...huh? He relies on a suit, then stands out of the way while his friends get killed? Some hero.

The ending would be lame, some sort of "Hey, let's all be friends so we can stop our combined rogue's galleries!" My ending: JLA slowly wearing down against DBZ until Batman grabs the dragon balls, sneaks way off, and makes his wish....

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by don Jaime
I've only seen earlier episodes and doubt I'll see these supercharged Saiyins, because like you said, it gets boring fast. That said, there's always a weakness, no matter how good you get. And your take on Batman...huh? He relies on a suit, then stands out of the way while his friends get killed? Some hero.

The ending would be lame, some sort of "Hey, let's all be friends so we can stop our combined rogue's galleries!" My ending: JLA slowly wearing down against DBZ until Batman grabs the dragon balls, sneaks way off, and makes his wish....

Batman is for the ultimate good. He'll achieve it through any means necessary. If he fails, he'll run away to fight a later time. I've seen it, read it, and sympathized with him for doing it. Batman will NEVER sacrifice himself because he always believes he can figure out a way to beat them.

Dragon Ball Z fighters aren't some superheroes where they have " a weak point." They just get stronger and stronger and stronger. Dump them into another universe? They'll learn some chi-power to come back. Mind wipe them? They recover. Throw them into the sun? They'll use teleportation to come back. Drop some A-bombs on them? They'll generate their super-saiyan force fields. Acid? Lava? Take away the oxygen? Please.

I think the Dragon Balls have limited powers. You can't ask it to kill people, but I'm not sure. You could ask it to make you a God, but since DBZ fighters ARE practically Gods, it only gives you an advantage of being as strong as they are. And then the fight would just drag on even longer...

[Mr. Obsession]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo
If you've seen some of the later DBZ movies (though I wouldn't blame you if you haven't), you might change your minds about power levels and teamwork. They once fought some guy named Brolly, and all five of them worked together to fight him at the same time. Goku shot some people into the sun a couple of times, and Vegeta blew up a couple of planets. Plus, it's really hard to kill Goku. He seems to be able to come back from the dead time and time again. But then, same with Superman.

As for fighting fair...Vegeta doesn't fight fair, and if Goku refused to fight Batman on an uneven level, Vegeta surely would have vapourized Bats instead.

In the end, it would come down to Wonder Woman, Superman, and the Flash. And if they kill Goku while Gohan is around, Gohan will get REALLY REALLY mad and turn into some super-duper-untouchable Saiyan.

I don't count the movies in a contest like this as they're not part of the official continuity. Sure there are two or three of them that could fit in the official DBZ story line with some tweaking, but they're more like alternate universes. Using something from one of the movies is about the same as using something from the pre-crisis DCU.

My point was that Goku fights for the challenge. If that means fighting someone on equal terms then he'll do it if the object is not to kill you're opponent and as we all know Batman does not kill.

As for Vegeta, sure he wouldn't waste a second thought blasting Batman into a smoking pile of ash. However I would assume Vegeta would be more interested in someone like MM, who would most likely using his powers to mess around with Vegeta and the other Z'ers minds at that point.

[Supergirl]

I'm sorry! I am sick and tired of this! I hate crossovers but for the light of the convorsation I Goku's unknown daughter shall not blow up all who say he is bad, and my brothers, and Vegeta(he may be an arrogent bastard but he fights with a certain code he learned...that's why he's an arrogent bastard!) and his son...

First of all do any of you who are saying JLA acuttaly watch this show? Let alone without laughing at it?

Oh and for those of you who don't pay attention-Siayan's get stronger every fight they have. Goku IS dead. Piccolo pays no attention to what anyone is saying. Vegeta...well Vegeta is a stuck up, arrogent, heartless....I'll stop there...who gets mad at every bad thing said towards himself or his son(Now I'm in DBGT mode) and fights with a passion that till death make him stop he won't stop. And Goku is training with 40 tons of weights on his arms and legs(all equally balanced)

Oh and I 4get who said it but they slow down the fighting so the normal human eye(and the sayian one) can see what is going on.

Has anyone forgotten the energy blast? Or the Ka Maya Maya? Or the regular Spirit bomb(not the one that Goku made on Namak...tho that was kool it took a while to summon up) or the Tri Beam? Or the Destructo Disk? Or the Special Beam Cannon? Or the Scattered Shot? Or the Final Blast and Gatling Cannon used by Vegeta and other micelaneous energy technices like the Solar Flare and Energy Shield(Used in History of Trunks by Gohan)

Now lets get onto the topic of Goten and Trunks! We might acuttaly see Batman laugh...before his destruction. Lets think about this-Trunks is training at 100x's normal earth gravity and jumping around like a happy go lucky eight year old. Goten, who is training with his 18 year old brother, will, if he keeps up at this pace, soon pass his 18 year old brothers stregnth with no problem.

Oh and on the word 18, shall I bring up android 18!...no...I don't wanna bust a vein.

Plus whoever said the thing about them fighting as a group is just plain stupid, they would get in eachothers way! Puh lease!

Oh and one more thing before i ramble about crossovers-have ya'll ever thought about ChiChi and Bulma? I mean say bad stuff about Goku or Gohan or Goten and BUHBIE! I think anyone would be no more than an ant on the bottom of ChiChi's shoe!

And as i said I'm going to ramble about crossovers-Why? Why must someone say one is better than the other! Because of this and because of that. Bla bla bla! I personally wouldn't of said anything...but this just pissed me off!

(yes I am very biased towards DB, DBZ, and DBGT but! each his own, I mean, yea if you think the JLA could destroy the Zteam, god bless ya!)

Supes jr.
I kno I've caused a lot of you to hate me with my opinion but that's what hate mail was invented for! Anywho! i believe in each his own opinion so! SO if you don't like this you can choose to ignore it.

[Nightwing]

The only reason I chose JLA over DBZ is because I like the overall show better. Shows that are so completely and udderly different are impossible to compare anyway. But all those reasons why DBZ would most likely win is another small factor why I pick JL over them. It's like they have TOO many powers. Especially the further the timeline goes on.

[Supergirl]

<gives a confused look> okay i admit it I'm a blond...there it's out..ya happy?...anywho

What do ya mean TOO many powers? please explain or my confused head will explode...

Supes jr.

[JLU Dude]

I've said this beofre on the "the JLA will win" board, I'll say it again. I like both but I think the JLA couild take the Z fighters out. That my opinion.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Supergirl
<gives a confused look> okay i admit it I'm a blond...there it's out..ya happy?...anywho

What do ya mean TOO many powers?

Hey be nice, although a guy, I'm a blonde too. ;) Hehehe.

Seriously, anyway let me just say first off that I'm a fan of DBZ. I really really like the characters a lot. But as the show goes on, I feel like they're given more and more powers. They can do pretty much anything they want to. In my day it was just learn the martial arts, how to jump really high, and shoot fire balls/beams with concentrated energy. ;) But like I said about with how they have the fusion thing with Saiyans, and when Goku "gave" some of his energy to Freiza to have enough power to get off the Namek before it blew.

But there hasn't been anything I objected to as of recently (in the Cell saga) so I'm happy with that.

[Supergirl]

Ohh! a blond? is your name by chance Nick Carter? Nah j/k... <sheepishly> yes i do think he's cute....anywho!

Yea i can agree with you about the powers, but once you get to the Bue..Boo...however they're gonna spell it! Saga I think you might be dissapointed a little...I know for a few minutes I was...

Oh..I should get back on topic...one thought I've had since arguing with my brother about this topic is Superman(Superwoman, and if you include the comics Superboy) could be a trouble, but all one of the characters(sp) need to do is grab a peice of Kryptonite(love that song...heh) and all of um are buh bie...

Supes jr.

oh yea ps! they do work as teams, watch when Piccolo and Krillin are trying to team up against Vegeta, they make a PLAN and execute it TOGETHER and also in some of the movies they fight as teams.

[Naraht]

Wow...another fun old thread...

ok, assuming they have to fight, cause..umm..if they don't, thier universe is destroyed..yeah, that'll work (hey it worked for Marvel vs. DC) and..umm..well, we gotta pick a time period for DBZ...lets say....Namek..cause...By the time we get to Buu, there's no way the JLA could win...(from what I've seen)
I say it's a draw...
The JLA would have the early advantage, having the superior team work...MM takes out Krilan via telepathy, but is then blasted by one of the Sayains..or Picalo...Fire Burn.
Flashes speed proves to be effective to an extent, but his lack of flying comes to haunt him and he's taken down. Z fighters are still pretty damn fast.
WW & Superman Brawl with the Z Fighter, while Batman gathers the dragon balls, and wishes that everyone could go home, and that this never happened!

Instant Draw!

[SimonMoon5]

Animated JLA or comics JLA?

I'll assume animated JLA since that's the topic of this message board, right? If that's the case, the Z fighters win easily. Superman's a wimp, Wonder Woman was trapped by a few rocks falling on her head (when she was chasing Deadshot), Hawkgirl could probably attack a lot...but one Kamehameha and she's history, Batman's as tough as Hercule/Mr. Satan ;), and the Flash is useless. J'Onn might develop new powers to use, but the Z fighters can do that too, so nothing he's got should outpower them. That leaves GL as the only wild card. If he really has the power to destroy a planet (as he was accused of doing), then he *might* have an attack that can compare to what the Z fighters have. His ring constructs have a decent defensive ability, but they haven't really been tested to their limits. What he really lacks is speed; one of the Z fighters could punch him a hundred times before he could react and down he'd go, even faster than when Aquaman coldcocked him.

In the comics, the JLA could get help from Zatanna or Dr. Fate or somebody like that. If that devil guy could turn the Z fighters to stone by spitting on them, I'm sure one of the mages could do the same.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5
Animated JLA or comics JLA?

I'll assume animated JLA since that's the topic of this message board, right? If that's the case, the Z fighters win easily. Superman's a wimp, Wonder Woman was trapped by a few rocks falling on her head (when she was chasing Deadshot), Hawkgirl could probably attack a lot...but one Kamehameha and she's history, Batman's as tough as Hercule/Mr. Satan ;), and the Flash is useless. J'Onn might develop new powers to use, but the Z fighters can do that too, so nothing he's got should outpower them. That leaves GL as the only wild card. If he really has the power to destroy a planet (as he was accused of doing), then he *might* have an attack that can compare to what the Z fighters have. His ring constructs have a decent defensive ability, but they haven't really been tested to their limits. What he really lacks is speed; one of the Z fighters could punch him a hundred times before he could react and down he'd go, even faster than when Aquaman coldcocked him.

In the comics, the JLA could get help from Zatanna or Dr. Fate or somebody like that. If that devil guy could turn the Z fighters to stone by spitting on them, I'm sure one of the mages could do the same.

Course...when this thread was started, JL didn't exist and in the States..DBZ was in the Cell saga..

[Joe Tully]

It's the same excuse I use every time someone brings something like this up:

JL can beat up the bad guy within 2-3 episodes. DBZ needs like 50+ episodes. So, since JL can get the job done much more time efficiently, they win. Math shows that JL should be able to win between 13.3 and 25 times before DBZ would win once.

What, you don't like that reasoning? Too bad. :p

[oranthal]

i wouldn't know who would win but i know who is going lose. the loser would be the place that they fight on. if they fought on Earth, it would reduced to ashes.

[Jowy Blight]

It would end with the Z fighters wining, end of story. By the end of the Buu saga, nobody can beat them. They can take down planets with a simple blast. No draw, JL would be destroyed. They're too fast for the JL to even touch them. Gokou can destroy the universe if he wanted to, and lets not even talk about Vejita and Gohan. I honestly don't think the JL could take down Cell, all he would have to do is blow up the earth and that would kill most of them right there. I know Superman can't deal with Cell by himself.

So in the end, the Z fighters would win.

[I.R Joey]

Hey I remember this thread, LOL. To tell you the truth I was refering to the JLA from the comics.

[FLIPMODE]

Um mr. Blight, If they destroyed earth, Superman would still be alive. Do you not know which board your on? Everyone knows Supes is Pretty much as DURABLE as any living being can get.

And that whole "Slow Mo" so normal humans can see it, is pure nonsense. How about the Tournament? 17 was fighting Trunks, and Goten, the whole crowd saw that.

I say JLA.

Why? MM, can phase in and out of reality. He could beat them SOOOO easily with his telepathy. Infact against the Z team, J'onn is proabably the best bet. No, most of the team members are not Matrial artist, so Defense against Z team would be null, but when it comes to Flying, um..Yeah, Saiyans rea goos, but, Superman, WW, GL, are WAY Better. Why would the JLA fight them one on one? GROUP DYNAMICS PEOPLE! If Supes, GL, and MM, attack from the air, on to Frieza, Goku, or Vegita,..it would look like this: Heat vision, Power Blasts, and telepathic paralizer, all on one Z fighter.

So what Supes get's hit by a Fire ball, he'll get up.

Actually another threat is GL. How could they possibly stop him? All he's have to do is, Set up individual Prisons for each of them, and NO MATTER what, they can't break it! From there J'onn will mentally Disable them.

Infact it should be: Z TEAM VERSUS MM & GL!! Those 2 could beat the Whole z team. Trust me Stewart has faced threats, and thugs in the galaxy AS powerful as Z Team members. That's why he's a GL.

Batman.
Batman would take Goku's Wife, the ox king, Krilin, Vegita's wife, and Gohan's Grilfriend hostage. With Goku's simple mind, (especially compared to Batman), Goku would be at Batman's Mercy. Goku would worry about being responsible for her death.
And for that matter, Batman would'nt fight Trunks and Goten, he's way too smart for that, he'd trick them. He's a Master of Disguise, and probably would'nt appear into the battle until he figures a way to win. He'd disguise himself as..ANYONE, to fool Goten and Trunks, then a little knock out gas later, He has them under his thumb. Now, Batman holds the fate of Goku, Vegita's and Gohan's loved ones, in the palm of his hand.

That alone is garaunteed a victory of about half the battle, over the Z team.

[Jowy Blight]

Superman would still be alive. Do you not know which board your on? Everyone knows Supes is Pretty much as DURABLE as any living being can get.

Sure, he could live through that, but all Goku would have to do is use his Shunkan Idou (Instantaneous Movement) to avoid every attack anyone can try. Plus, the Saiya-jin's are simplely Demi-gods, Superman wouldn't have a chance.


And that whole "Slow Mo" so normal humans can see it, is pure nonsense. How about the Tournament? 17 was fighting Trunks, and Goten, the whole crowd saw that.

Thats because they wern't fireing blasts at each other. Did you see that blast Trunks fired at 18? It was like a nuke had went off, and they haven't even fused yet.


Why? MM, can phase in and out of reality. He could beat them SOOOO easily with his telepathy. Infact against the Z team, J'onn is proabably the best bet. No, most of the team members are not Matrial artist, so Defense against Z team would be null,

Uh, telepathy has been used on the Z fighters before, and they have worked through it. As for for fighting itself, these guys can punch with the force to destroy planets, they have no defense that can counter that.


Why would the JLA fight them one on one? GROUP DYNAMICS PEOPLE!

They have worked as a team before, like when Piccolo, Kuririn, and Tenshinhan teamed up to fight Nappa. They all teamed up to fight Brolly too.


So what Supes get's hit by a Fire ball, he'll get up.

Yes, but can he take blasts that could destroy the universe? I think not.


Actually another threat is GL. How could they possibly stop him? All he's have to do is, Set up individual Prisons for each of them, and NO MATTER what, they can't break it! From there J'onn will mentally Disable them.

Trust me, they can break out of ANYTHING GL can make. Again, J'onn's mental powers CAN be broken, and would.


Infact it should be: Z TEAM VERSUS MM & GL!! Those 2 could beat the Whole z team. Trust me Stewart has faced threats, and thugs in the galaxy AS powerful as Z Team members. That's why he's a GL.

Somehow I don't think so. He'd be dead if he had.


Batman would take Goku's Wife, the ox king, Krilin, Vegita's wife, and Gohan's Grilfriend hostage. With Goku's simple mind, (especially compared to Batman), Goku would be at Batman's Mercy. Goku would worry about being responsible for her death.

One thing DBZ villians have learned is making a Saiya-jin mad is a BAD idea. Doing anything like that would push one of them too far, and we'd get a more powerful form of SSJ or a destroyed universe.


then a little knock out gas later

Knock out gas as no affect on Saiya-jin's at all. If Batman did that to Trunks, Vejita would get pissed and......... wait, It's not like Batman could hold Goten and Trunks anyway, all they would have to do is Fuse and make a portal like they did in Buu saga and escape.

So, as I said before, the Z fighters would win.

[The Green Hornet]

Heres why the JLA would beat the DBZ gang

The Flash

his ability to lend/steal movement from people and objects would simply put end the fight

he could do 1 of two things

1. move the dbz guys so fast they merge with the speed force-- no ones come back from this one BUT Wally

2. remove their ability to move

end game for dbz

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by TheFastestManAlive
Heres why the JLA would beat the DBZ gang

The Flash

his ability to lend/steal movement from people and objects would simply put end the fight

he could do 1 of two things

1. move the dbz guys so fast they merge with the speed force-- no ones come back from this one BUT Wally

2. remove their ability to move

end game for dbz

The comic JLA are FAR more formidable than the comic JL. Other significant characters and abilities:

-GL in the comic has reached absurd power levels. He could contain a supernova some time back, when he was weaker, can create planets, and needs no recharge

-Superman has absorbed the Omega Effect, moved planets, and otherwise demonstrated great power

-MM's telepathy is more powerful, and he's very skilled at subtle manipulation. The Z Fighters will be in a fantasy world and never even know it

-Batman will not appear until after he has a plan, and that plan WILL mean the doom of the Z team.

[The Green Hornet]

TRUE DAT!

[Jowy Blight]

The Flash

Uh, the Z fighters can move faster then the Flash can.


-Batman will not appear until after he has a plan, and that plan WILL mean the doom of the Z team.

All they would have to do is blow up whatever planet he's on to stop him.


-MM's telepathy is more powerful, and he's very skilled at subtle manipulation. The Z Fighters will be in a fantasy world and never even know it

They have faced telepathy before and have come out of it, hell the Saiya-jin's and Nameks use telepathy themselves.

Then again, why would the Z fighters and JL fight to begin with?

[The Green Hornet]

The Flash can eminate from the Speed Force itself-- thus making him much faster than the Z people-- sorry but they are just out of their speed league with the Flash involved

and besides that flash doesnt have to move to lend/take motion/momentum from people/things

[Jowy Blight]

The Flash can eminate from the Speed Force itself-- thus making him much faster than the Z people-- sorry but they are just out of their speed league with the Flash involved

Goku's Shunkan Idou gives him the ability to move at speeds that Flash could never get to at the start of his movement. Saiya-jin eyes make it easy to see him no matter how fast he's going, so he would be easy to stop and kill. Plus the Z fighters know the move Taiyoken (Solar Flare) and just use that to stop the flash in his tracks.

[nightwing_38116]

The Z fighters would win hands down. In the original DB, Krillin, Tien, Chaozu, and Yamucha were jogging at what seemed a relaxed pace to them and having a conversation about a young Goku being trained by God. When the camera panned out, it showed them running (the real world's perception) at a speed comparable to the Flash's.

Early on in DBZ (before ever going SS), Vegeta destroyed an entire planet with one finger. It's really not fair to compare the two. Vegeta would probably kill all of them by himself.

[SuperChrono]

Hahaha you guys make me laugh as if the Justic League could EVER!! compare to any Z-fighter (except Hercule). lol although the justice league are no doubt powerful as they have saved the world countless times they have nowhere near the ammount of power and magnitude of strength of any zfighter.

Therefore i Believe That Krillin would slap the green lantern, vegeta would just slap some grins off a couple others and then all they would hear in the distance is a trememdous Scream of rage and Goku Powers up to Super Saiyan (((Just normal Super saiyan i mean come on he doesnt wanna kill them now does he :P))) and take em all down with a KAMEHAMEHAAA!!!) then he would power down and tell them not to do evil again. (lol jokin)

O BTW a little fact (i made up) You have any idea why the Planet Krypton was destroyed?? well one day they where invaded by saiyans of the lower class and even with their mighty powers the kryptonites where no match for the saiyan onslaught...They where luck one child got away...The end.

Lol bet ya didnt know thta did ya :P

[Dens Maris]

Daaaamn, last post on Christmas Eve 2001? That's deep in the Catacombs...

You know what I'd like to see, though? UberAMAZO vs. The Z Fighters. Just to watch a few planets blow up.

[Bird Boy]

Yes, this is a very old thread. Please do not resurrect posts that are over six months old. Anything past that (and this is waaaay past it) is simply silly.

-BB