Who would win if Batman battled the Flash?

[RAMPAGE]

Just a food for thought question: If Batman had to take on the Flash, who'd win? And how would Batsy boy, if he did win, beat him? As far as I see, there is no way Batman can beat Flash. Flash, I mean, can go faster then Superman. How can Batman even get a shot at him? Flash can hit Batman 50 times before he even knows what happened. So give your thoughts and lets see.

[metaphysician]

Simple.

Batman waits for Flash to stop moving, and then floods the entire area with gas, slick-up, stick-up, and a few explosions.

IOW, preptime.

As for how Batman sets it up: he can hide from Superman, so he ought to be able to stealth around Flash.

[The Green Hornet]

in theory flash could steal motion from the batman so he cant move


after that its flash in seconds

if i were flash though i would simply run so fast i go back in time and kill the batman as a kid-- why bother even messing with any of his garbage tricks and traps-- batman couldnt beat my grandmother in a fair fight

[murmur]

I voted for Flash because I'm assuming a battle royale setup. Like you said, he'd land 50 punches before Batman blinked. That's lethal to a mortal. If they were tracking each other from across the globe Bats would obviously have it. Then again, Batman, in a straight fight against a JL member, would only really have a shot against Hawkgirl.

[MWilburyJr]

Like murmer said, if there's an immediate fight with no preparation (say a villian turns them on each other spur of the moment), Flash wins no contest. On the other hand, if there's some sort of build up, Batman tears him up. Dark Knight comes out on top, like always.

My grandmother trained in the Alps.

[LordRikerQ]

flash could beat batman easily, he could move his hands so fast it could phase and move into batmans body and tear at his organs.

[FLIPMODE]

Batman.

Flas is kind of dumb,...well on JL series anyway. He's Gullable. Plus he's fast but he's no Ninja, You think Batman would be dumb enough to sit around and fight him without a plan.

Plus GL Knocked Flash out with one punch, without the use of his ring.

I think either the odds are in Batman's Favor. If they got into an Argument, and came to Blows, Batman would be the firdt one to pull the Punch. Which intantly KO's Flash. Ever see the Famous Batman, guy Gardner punch?

And if it were a pre-meditated battle, I'd give it to Batman. But I think this is where Flash has the most chance of winning. So whatever Plan Batman has, Maybe Flash can over come it with speed. But Batman's the Master of Surprise, so Flash is pretty mich screwed.

[oranthal]

if batman is prepared, he wins. ;)

[The Flash]

I voted for Batman. On paper, it looks as if Flash would win, because of his powers. But when you get down to it, Batman could out smart him any day of the week.

[hardway35]

Batman. Even with Flash's super speed and all, he does seem to toy with people in CN's JL. Which would be a losing factor in a fight with batman. Super speed should give him an advantage, but were is it be if batman can knock him off his feet before it does anything. If flash is mocking batman by laughing and running around him, batman would just get some lead time on him stick his arm out and flash comes crashing into it.

[Meow]

Originally posted by The Green Hornet
in theory flash could steal motion from the batman so he cant move


after that its flash in seconds

if i were flash though i would simply run so fast i go back in time and kill the batman as a kid-- why bother even messing with any of his garbage tricks and traps-- batman couldnt beat my grandmother in a fair fight And I suppose going back in time and stealing motion from him is fair? Batman's "garbage tricks and traps" are pretty nessasary things for him to have. He doesn't have super powers like everyone else does.

I dunno if Batman would win or not. Realistically, Flash should be able to beat him pretty easily but like The Flash said, Batman could probably outsmart or trick him somehow.

It really just depends on the circumstances.

[The Green Hornet]

i dont see HOW batman could even TOUCH the flash

if its the comic books flash, batman would appear to be standing still to him-- he moves so fast that he lives between the ticks of a second

he would kill the batman before batmans brain could even register the desire to move his arm or use a trick

[hardway35]

I don't read comics much but if it is CN's JL Flash vs JL Batman, Batman has a more than a fighting chance. The version of Flash in CN's JL likes to toy with the people he fights if he thinks he can beat them easy. Brave and the Bold is a good example of this, when Flash was fighting Grod [is that how you spell his name? not sure] he was toying with him knowing he had messed with his mind control device. If grod had been a bit smarter and saw his plan he could have smacked flash a good one when he was goating him into take off the device.

[redDragon]

Batman would, in the TPB JLA: Tower of Babel Batsy made a bullet that gave Flash lightspeed epilepsy

[Parallax]

Batman hes ALOT smater then the Flash one move the Flash is down.

[The Green Hornet]

one move the Flash is down.

flash moves so fast that everything seems as if its standing still compared to him-- including the batman

bats would be dead before he could even think about attacking

[Meow]

Originally posted by The Green Hornet


flash moves so fast that everything seems as if its standing still compared to him-- including the batman

bats would be dead before he could even think about attacking I see your point, Green Hornet. (it's kind of hard not to) I guess it depends on which Flash we are talking about because the Flash in Justice League the cartoon doesn't seem to be able to move THAT fast. I mean, he never actually disappears from view or anything. If he can move that fast he hasn't done it as of yet.

Flash would probably win if it was an all out battle but in other circumstances Batman might be able to pull it off. Like I said it really depends.

[The Flash]

You're right, Meow. The JL Flash doesn't move fast... at all!!

Warning: Racing blab ahead!

Well, I went to a drag race in March. The faster cars go over 300 MPH. I stood on the ground, looked straight ahead, and watched a pair of them blast by. Where I was standing, I am guessing that they were going around 200-50 MPH. I was judging how they need to improve Flash's animation.

Well, they need to improve it big time. When those cars zoomed by, they were a TOTAL BLUR. Now, Flash should be much, much, much, faster then those cars. I was at half track, the cars were not at full speed. He looks like he is running about 40 MPH, usually. That's pretty sad.

So, the conclusion I came to was is... and I hope Bruce Timm is reading this. Obviously, they need to make Flash move across the screen faster. No brainier, huh? Well, that's not the only thing they need to do. He needs to be almost a total blur. Not this slight blur behind him crap, a total blur. We don't need to see him when he's running around (unless the viewpoint moves along with him). When the viewpoint is still, and he comes running in, he needs to be a total, complete blur!!!

[Barb Gordon]

Although I'm a big Flash fan, I would go with Batman. Flash is fast, yeah. But Batman is skilled in a whole mess of things that Flash isn't. He could listen for him, study him as he moves and probably make him trip somewhere along the way, Although it would be kinda close. Flash has powers, Batman doesn't. I think Batman would for sure win if he had time to prepare, and it would be close if he didn't have time. If Batman didn't use all of his skills to his best ability, then yeah, Flash would totally nail him.

Barb^-^

[The Green Hornet]

Originally Posted by Barbara Gordon
Although I'm a big Flash fan, I would go with Batman. Flash is fast, yeah. But Batman is skilled in a whole mess of things that Flash isn't.
fair enough



He could listen for him,
no he couldnt. flash moves faster than sound.


study him as he moves
flash moves too fast to have his movements watched


and probably make him trip somewhere along the way,
JL Flash yes, Comics flash no


Although it would be kinda close. Flash has powers, Batman doesn't. I think Batman would for sure win if he had time to prepare,
TV yes, comics no


and it would be close if he didn't have time.
again, TV yes, Comics no


If Batman didn't use all of his skills to his best ability, then yeah, Flash would totally nail him.
99% of Batman's skills are worthless against the flash.

[Ricochet_The_Sweet14]

batman is smarter! :D :D :D

[The Green Hornet]

batman is smarter!

ok maybe so

but he lacks the Flash's total command of speed

[Spyact3]

Batman would totally wail on the Flash. Brash, young, arrogent punks are what Batman eats for breakfast. Think about how many people with powers have come up against Batman before. Flash has a weakness, just like everyone. Batman is always prepared and would know it before hand. No contest, batman hands down.

[The Flash]

Originally posted by The Green Hornet


ok maybe so

but he lacks the Flash's total command of speed

Batman could, and would, find ways of getting around that. You mentioned that his weapons were useless against Flash. Well, if they're in the middle of a city, he could throw a batarang (or a grapple) and make something FALL on Flash. There are a number of ways Batsy could get around Flash's speed, which in JL isn't very fast.

[The Green Hornet]

Batman could, and would, find ways of getting around that. You mentioned that his weapons were useless against Flash. Well, if they're in the middle of a city, he could throw a batarang (or a grapple) and make something FALL on Flash. There are a number of way Batman could get around Flash's speed, which in JL isn't very fast.


flash. let me state this AGAIN

Flash moves SOOOOOOO FAST that the batman appears standing still to him-- no batarang, no fancy footwork, no nerve pinches

basic theory of relativity


besides that the flash can lend and steal momentum and motion from objects

batman would be trapped in place unable to move speak etc


Batman would totally wail on the Flash. Brash, young, arrogent punks are what Batman eats for breakfast. Think about how many people with powers have come up against Batman before. Flash has a weakness, just like everyone. Batman is always prepared and would know it before hand. No contest, batman hands down.

WHALE

and none of batman's foes are even CLOSE to the level of what Flash, Superman etc deal with every issue

besides wits arent going to beat the flash here-- see my above post to the flash for why

[Pluto000555]

If batman has one of his explosion Batarangs he would be able to stop Flash. He would just throw it and since Flash is moving so fast it wouldn't matter where he threw it, it would still hit him. The explosion would knock Flash down making it easy for batman to come in and knock him out before the next punch was thrown. :D

[The Green Hornet]

If batman has one of his explosion Batarangs he would be able to stop Flash. He would just throw it and since Flash is moving so fast it wouldn't matter where he threw it, it would still hit him. The explosion would knock Flash down making it easy for batman to come in and knock him out before the next punch was thrown.

what EVERYONE forgets is that not only does FLASH move FAST, but TIME FOR HIM MOVES SLOW

he would see that batarang and completely avoid it

for that matter, batman wouldnt have the CHANCE to throw it-- he would stand motionless as flash laid death upon him

[MWilburyJr]

Britt, you're right, presuming that this is an unscheduled bout. But, otherwise, if the Bat knows how the Flash is going to react at each and every turn, then no amount of speed can help him. And this is the world of comic books, where normal rules don't apply . . . and we all know what a bad mutha Batman is. That's just a part of his character these days. Get over it.

(officially shedding all dignity to participate in an internet 'which-superhero-would-win' debate)

[The Green Hornet]

and we all know what a bad mutha Batman is. That's just a part of his character these days.


that may be true but it sure needs to change


DC comics listen to me: give me a 12 issue run on a batman title. i will remind EVERYONE JUST HOW HUMAN the batMAN really is

[Knight]

Despite what some say with all this talk, Batman has already beaten the Flash in the comics (JLA:Secret Files and Orgins #1) and Flash was trying to kill him. Too bad Batman was prepared. :)

[The Green Hornet]

ahhhh well guess what-- yet another flaw in the mighty batgod logic

that wasnt flash in control, thus the level of control and use of his powers was not at the level that wally has

thus, batman didnt beat flash, he beat a Starro in control of flash

[Knight]

I disagree. Batman beat Flash's speed no matter who was in control of his body. It was still intellect vs powers and Bats came out on top.

Also saying Batman couldnt beat Flash if he had time to prepare is like saying Flash is unbeatable. Which is far from the truth as even Ra's Al Ghul proved when he used Batmans own designs to against the Flash in Tower Of Babel. Flash can be caught off guard.

[BeastBoyWonder]

Batman's one of my most favorite characters, but he's not a god by a long shot. As GH pointed out, he's human. Batman is more effective against some kinds of foes than the flash, but in the comics flash would definately destroy bats, and animated its a toss-up. They both have their own unique abilities to assist the JL in their own ways, so I don't think one is superior to the other. However, the Flash is more capable in combat by a long shot.

[Ricochet_The_Sweet14]

flashes weakness is that he trips on everything that is put in his way. batman would use that to his advantage. plus flash seems alittle slow in the mind.

[The Green Hornet]

Also saying Batman couldnt beat Flash if he had time to prepare is like saying Flash is unbeatable. Which is far from the truth as even Ra's Al Ghul proved when he used Batmans own designs to against the Flash in Tower Of Babel. Flash can be caught off guard

Flash wasn't fighting Batman. He didn't see Batman making an attack

Batman had the way to defeat him, yes, but if Batman made the attack in an open, fair way, Flash would've avoided it, yes?

Ra's al Ghul wasn't exactly standing out in a field when he attacked the Flash

remember this is a FIGHT not a sneak attack or nuclear device here-- its mano a mano where the two KNOW its a fight


flashes weakness is that he trips on everything that is put in his way. batman would use that to his advantage. plus flash seems alittle slow in the mind.


i agree that on the animated show, batman has a good chance of beating flash


but not in the comics


in the comics, flash wouldnt trip and isnt stupid-- quite the opposite actually

[Ricochet_The_Sweet14]

Originally posted by The Green Hornet


i agree that on the animated show, batman has a good chance of beating flash


but not in the comics


in the comics, flash wouldnt trip and isnt stupid-- quite the opposite actually
well i thought we were talking about this new justice league not the old comics. flash would be out smarted on this new justice league show.

[Meow]

Originally posted by Ricochet_The_Sweet14

well i thought we were talking about this new justice league not the old comics. flash would be out smarted on this new justice league show. Yea, no kidding. Why are we talking about the comics Flash anyway? This topic is in the Justice League board after all.

I don't know much about comics and I'm not gonna pretend like I do. I agree that if Flash is THAT darn fast in the comics that he'd have a much better chance of beating Batman. That's pretty much a given. But if we're talking about the Justice Leauge cartoon Batman vs. the cartoon Flash, Batman would be most likely to win.

Like people have mentioned in other threads before, the characters' powers seem to be toned down quite a bit in the cartoon to make for a more interesting story. Which would definalty give Bats a better chance of winning.

Anyways, let's just agree that Flash would mop the floor with Bats in the comics, but Batman would probably kick Flash's butt in the cartoon.

There, everybody happy now? If not...well I tried... :rolleyes:

And just for the Record, I do agree that Flash should be MUCH faster in the cartoon than he currently is. I mean geeeez. He's supposed to live through the ticks of a second? Well in the cartoon he never even disappears from sight. I agree with The Flash, it's ridiculous how much Flash's speed has been toned down. They really need to do something about that....

[torifel]

Originally posted by Meow
Anyways, let's just agree that Flash would mop the floor with Bats in the comics, but Batman would probably kick Flash's butt in the cartoon.

Obviously, JL Flash is easier to take down than comics Flash,
but while some of you (GH particularly) think flash's powers are being underrated, don't you think you're underrating Batman's abilities too?

yes, he's human, but he has the brains and technology to pit a decent battle. personally i think batman will end up the eventual winner, but that's just me. i think maybe Meow has reached the best conclusion of us all though.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Who'd win? Depends who wrote the story.

[MILatino]

Originally posted by RAMPAGE
Just a food for thought question: If Batman had to take on the Flash, who'd win? And how would Batsy boy, if he did win, beat him?

It really depends on whether or not the fight was anticipated or not, that is, whether Batman was prepared for it.

If they were together and all of a sudden they had to duke it out, Batman would fail because he couldn't keep up with the Flash's moves... period. Flash would just zip up to him remove his belt, give him a high-speed punch, and that's the end of Batman.

However, if Batman knew this battle was coming and prepared for it (remember his comic book battle with Superman?) he probably would win because the speed issue would be aniticpated and a counterattack would be well thought out and executed.

How would Batman do it? He could put a booby-trapped mannequin in the meeting spot and gas the Flash as the Flash touches it. If the Flash is quick-witted and spins to deflect the gas, Batman would most probably hurl a bat-a-rang bomb at him at the same time. Batman would most probably set it up to keep the man so busy that eventually something would knock him out.

[BeastBoyWonder]

Who'd win? Depends who wrote the story.

That's the most sensible thing I've heard so far.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Why thank you.

[cartoongirl]

I think Batman will win if he battled the Flash.

[Supreme]

One misconception that many people use is "If Batman had time to prepare..."
Face it! Batman is ALWAYS prepared! Besides being a genius and expert tactician, he is also fairly paranoid. He has 5 ways to take out each member of the JLA already. He's probably the only one who wouldn't blink if another member suddenly turned on him.

Not only could he beat any version of the Flash without "preparation", but he could probably do it if the Flash surprised him.

It's possible that the comic book Flash could give Bats a decent workout, but it's laughable on the cartoon. In the cartoon, it seems like his speed just helps him get beaten that much quicker. In the comic, he's still no rocket scientist.

Now Barry Allen vs. Bats, that would be a battle!

btw, GH, it is wail, not whale. A whale is a big sea mammal.

[torifel]

Originally posted by Supreme
btw, GH, it is wail, not whale. A whale is a big sea mammal.

i've already contributed what i had to say to this thread...

but just so everyone knows in the future:

GH was right. it was whale
According the the American Heritage Dictionary this is its definition: To strike or hit repeatedly and forcefully; thrash.

and yes, it also is a big sea mammal as well...

[MILatino]

Originally posted by Supreme
One misconception that many people use is "If Batman had time to prepare..."
Face it! Batman is ALWAYS prepared! Besides being a genius and expert tactician, he is also fairly paranoid. He has 5 ways to take out each member of the JLA already. He's probably the only one who wouldn't blink if another member suddenly turned on him.

Batman is always prepared for the situation, but he's not always prepared for the moment unless he's expecting it. For example, he has kryptonite stashed away in case Superman goes postal (prepared for situation), however he doesn't carry it around with him (prepared for moment). It's in the Batcave in a vault. That won't help him if Superman suddenly freaked while standing next to him.

Same with the Flash. If he suddenly had a Norman Bates moment at Batman's side, Batman wouldn't know what hit him. He wouldn't have the time to react.