Late Night Black & White - 7/16

[BobChief]

Well, nobody's posted LNB&W yet, so I will:

"We're In The Money"
(WB-MM / 1933 / Rudolf Ising)
"Plumbing Is A 'Pipe'"
(Paramount-Popeye / 1938 / Fleischer)
"The Candid Candidate"
(Paramount-Betty Boop [TV title "Grampy" / 1937 / Fleischer) with NTA closing title
"The Winning Ticket"
(MGM-Captain & the Kids-formerly sepiatone / 1938 / no director credited*)
"The Spinach Roadster"
(Paramount-Popeye / 1936 / Fleischer)
"Porky's Road Race"
(WB-LT-fat Porky head title / 1937 / Frank Tash {lin})

*Didn't somebody establish here a while back that this one was Friz Freleng's?

[Thad Komorowski]

I was dissapointed when I saw that "Porky's Road Race" was edited. I'd really like to get an uncut B&W copy of that one. :(

-Thad:(

[BobChief]

Yeah, I just quick-scanned through these after noticing it wasn't posted -- the folks wondered why I suddenly got off the 'puter!

No, Thad, there are adults today who wouldn't recognize Stepin Fetchit...:mad:

Still, "We're in the Money" might be my favorite old-time Warner tune AND toon...and
even for a sucky PD tape, "Candid Candidate" is good as later Fleischers go.

[DR. BELCH]

Very appropriate that this one aired on the same night as Toonheads' "Hollywood Nights", what with all the celebrity caricatures. I've noticed a caricature of a tall prunefaced old woman in this short, as well as "Paging Miss Glory" (doing a fandance) and "Cuckoo-Nut Grove"...and in modern WB shows, she played a teacher on a field trip on Tiny Toon Adventures (the same episode also used Tex Avery's flame from a George and Junior short). Who is she supposed to be, anyway?

I also like the scene in the "The Spinach Roadster" where Bluto rearranges a road sign and sends Popeye off on a rocky road...only to have it backfire when the car knocks a rock loose from the cliff that falls on his head and shatters.

[Larry T]

The lady driving the winning car in "Porky's Road Race" is Edna Mae Oliver. She's also Mel Standish's love interest in "The Hardship Of Miles Standish".

I think she was a popular radio personality in the 20s and 30s, plus she had a sporadic acting career. The only movie I know for sure she was in was the first version of "Little Women".

[Thad Komorowski]

Hey, Larry, what cartune is your avatar from?

-Thad:D

[Larry T]

It's a (fixed-up) piece from the great Dick Lundy Lantz cartoon, "Apple Andy" (fixed-up because the devil wasn't standing by that tree in the original- I moved him there to make a better avatar). I chose that pose because it came from a fantastically animated sequence done by one of my favourite animators, Emery Hawkins.

The cartoon has a catchy jingle too!!

[hiphats]

...and once again, I have to be the one to say...

"...and still, no Bosko, no Buddy. The crisis continues."

[John Doe]

With LNB&W's debut last night of the B&W "Porky's Road Race", here are the remaining 1936-43 B&W LTs yet to be seen on LNB&W (and I acknowledge a few of these will never be seen)....

1936
The Phantom Ship
Westward Whoa!

1937
Porky the Wrestler
Rover's Rival

1938
Porky's Phoney Express
Injun Trouble
Porky and Daffy
Wholly Smoke
The Daffy Doc

1939
Kristopher Kolumbus, Jr.
Naughty Neighbors

1940
Africa Squeaks
Slap Happy Pappy
The Timid Toreador

1941
The Haunted Mouse
Joe Glow the Firefly
Porky's Bear Facts
Porky's Preview
Porky's Ant
The Henpecked Duck
Robinson Crusoe, Jr.
Porky's Midnight Matinee

1942
Porky's Pastry Pirates
Who's Who in the Zoo
Saps in Chaps
Daffy's Southern Exposure
Hobby Horse Laffs
Gopher Goofy
The Ducktators
The Impatient Patient
The Daffy Duckaroo

1943
Confusions of a Nutsy Spy
Hop and Go
Tokio Jokio
Puss N' Booty

Corrections are welcome. :)

[Thad Komorowski]

I swear I've seen "Naughty Neighbors" on LNB&W before. Probably not, but I think it was on.

-Thad:D

[BobChief]

John Doe wrote, in part:[/i]
With LNB&W's debut last night of the B&W "Porky's Road Race", here are the remaining 1936-43 B&W LTs yet to be seen on LNB&W (and I acknowledge a few of these will never be seen)....


Well, the war stuff obviously...:(

What I don't get is, how hard is it to just un-colorize the computer-colored stuff? :mad:

The real B&W of Puss 'n Booty must be flat-out lost. :rolleyes: Sad.

I was going to call you on some of this list, John, but now even I'm not that sure....

[Bum]

Originally posted by BobChief


Well, the war stuff obviously...:(

What I don't get is, how hard is it to just un-colorize the computer-colored stuff? :mad:

The real B&W of Puss 'n Booty must be flat-out lost. :rolleyes: Sad.

I was going to call you on some of this list, John, but now even I'm not that sure....

How bizarre is it that they showed "Porky's Road Race" edited on LNB&W, but less than 24 hours earlier, they showed the colorized version UNCUT on the Looney Tunes Show!?

As for "un-colorization", I guess it could be done, [it can be done as simply as turning down the color setting on your TV], however the resulting shades of black, white & grey are not necessarily going to be the same as the ones the artists originally chose when they made the cartoons.

[Pietro]

Originally posted by John Doe
With LNB&W's debut last night of the B&W "Porky's Road Race", here are the remaining 1936-43 B&W LTs yet to be seen on LNB&W (and I acknowledge a few of these will never be seen)....

1936
The Phantom Ship
Westward Whoa!

1937
Porky the Wrestler
Rover's Rival

1938
Porky's Phoney Express
Injun Trouble
Porky and Daffy
Wholly Smoke
The Daffy Doc

1939
Kristopher Kolumbus, Jr.
Naughty Neighbors

1940
Africa Squeaks
Slap Happy Pappy
The Timid Toreador

1941
The Haunted Mouse
Joe Glow the Firefly
Porky's Bear Facts
Porky's Preview
Porky's Ant
The Henpecked Duck
Robinson Crusoe, Jr.
Porky's Midnight Matinee

1942
Porky's Pastry Pirates
Who's Who in the Zoo
Saps in Chaps
Daffy's Southern Exposure
Hobby Horse Laffs
Gopher Goofy
The Ducktators
The Impatient Patient
The Daffy Duckaroo

1943
Confusions of a Nutsy Spy
Hop and Go
Tokio Jokio
Puss N' Booty

Corrections are welcome. :)

"A Cartoonist's Nightmare," "The Fire Alarm," and "Hollywood Capers" were never shown either. They may not have been released in 1936, but, they're Beans cartoons and one of them has a cameo from Porky.

BTW, I think they should air "The Phantom Ship" unedited - if they ever air it.

-Pietro

[Sveven Dvorking]

It was nice to finally see the B&W version of Porky's Road Race . Edits don't bother me.

As for the Betty Boop cartoon (The Candid Candidate), that must be the worst print of a Betty Boop cartoon that Cargoon Networm has ever aired. It looks like it was raining (literally) through the whole cartoon!

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
I swear I've seen "Naughty Neighbors" on LNB&W before. Probably not, but I think it was on.

Maybe you saw the B&W version of Naughty Neighbors on The Bob Clampett Show some time ago. That was probably where the version was shown!

[Nelson]

It was very good to finally see "Porky's Road Race" on LNB&W, but I was disapointed to see it edited, they do air the color verison uncut.

[Pietro]

I have the uncut computer colorized version CN aired on one of their Porky Pig Super Chunks. If you are interested in a trade just e-mail me. I'm looking for the following WB cartoons:

Goopy Geer - unedited without CN logo
Bosko's Woodland Daze - clear, watchable print
Bosko The Drawback
Bosko's Dizzy Date
Bosko's Knight-Mare - unedited version
Buddy's Day Out - clear, watchable print
I've Got to Sing a Torch Song - unedited version
Buddy's Beer Garden
Buddy's Show Boat - unedited version
Buddy's Garage
Those Were Wonderful Days
Shake Your Powder Puff
Buddy's Circus - unedited version
Viva Buddy - unedited version
Buddy the Dentist
Buddy the Woodsman - unedited version
Buddy's Bug Hunt
A Cartoonist's Nightmare
The Fire Alarm
The Phantom Ship - unedited
Africa Squeaks - unedited, complete
Porky's Ant - black and white version not redrawn
Hop and Go - unedited version
From Hand to Mouse - unedited version
Mexican Borders
The Quacker Tracker
Moby Duck
Norman Normal
Coming! Snafu! - Private Snafu
Injun Trouble - 1969 version
Hocus Pocus Pow-Wow

-Pietro

[Sveven Dvorking]

We won't see the unaired Beans cartoons, the Indian stereotype cartoons, the wartime cartoons, or any other potentially offensive ones. We can also forget about the one-shots. And they will forever annoy us with the redrawns.

These might air before 2049 (the DVD year, 48 years from now)
Porky the Wrestler
Rover's Rival
Porky and Daffy
The Daffy Doc
Naughty Neighbors
Slap Happy Pappy
The Timid Toreador
Porky's Preview
The Henpecked Duck
Porky's Pastry Pirates
Who's Who in the Zoo
The Impatient Patient

[Pietro]

How is Beans offensive? CN already showed three of them.

-Pietro

[Jon Cooke]

What's edited in "Viva Buddy"?


-Jon

[Pietro]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
What's edited in "Viva Buddy"?

I thought some of the gunfire scenes were edited or something like that.
I think I'll have to check on the censored cartoons page.
I think I'm thinking of the edited version of "Gold Diggers of '49" Nick used to show.

-Pietro

[Pietro]

Well what do ya know about that!
I just check the Censored Cartoon Page and
I found out there were NO edits in "Viva Buddy!"

-Pietro

[lislebartman]

I remember seeing "Viva BUddy" when it aired on Nickelodeon in the late '80s/early '90s. I'm sure that today's audiences would find the Mexican stereotypes offensive(either that or CN doesn't have the won-tons to broadcast it!)

I do remember that Billy Bletcher provided the voice of the heavy, though.

[J Lee]

I remember seeing "Viva BUddy" when it aired on Nickelodeon in the late '80s/early '90s. I'm sure that today's audiences would find the Mexican stereotypes offensive(either that or CN doesn't have the won-tons to broadcast it!)

Actually, the most offensive thing about "Viva Buddy" was the ending they came up with. Thank God Schelsinger hired Avery a few months later.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Don't expect Cargoon Networm (CN) to broadcast any Buddy cartoons, whether they contain stereotypes or not.

The fact that they haven't aired the remaining Beans cartoons yet is a sign that they don't like them. (I can hardly wait to get them on tape in a few weeks)

[Patrick McCart]

CN probably isn't airing the Bosko and Buddy cartoons because they're being restored for DVD.

WB could send CN some masters, but why should they search for old analog masters when they're spending money on restoration and remastering.

Notice that CN hasn't aired any new Dubbed versions since the Tex Avery marathon?

Puss N' Booty is not lost...CN obviously hasn't gotten the B&W or computer color versions yet from WB. After all, they can only air what WB sends them.

WB has been restoring the cartoons since 1998(perhaps longer) (Mainly 1930-1948 releases) and is starting to remaster them for high-definition airing.