Orion vs. Superman(Animated or mainstream)

[Batman 80]

Who would win? I heard Orion is supposed to be pretty powerful.

[The Green Hornet]

Orion is strong (and i do believe he has immunity to the OMEGA effect) but Superman is stronger

[Green Lantern]

Just so long as Superman doesn't hold back, this is absolutely no contest.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Superman by far...he's faster...and he doesn't let his temper make him do stupid things.

[MeAmBizzaro]

Strengthwise, they're dead even. But Orion's berserker rage will be his weakness. Supes can use that to his advantage.

But a more interesting fight would be Lobo vs. Orion. I've always wanted to see this match-up. Anyone know if such a fight took place?

[metaphysician]

If its comic Orion, he probably wins. Comic Orion has a mother box, which will pretty much stop any speed blitz.

[RorShaq]

Originally posted by metaphysician
If its comic Orion, he probably wins. Comic Orion has a mother box, which will pretty much stop any speed blitz.

Speed Blitz? This ain't the CBR boards.

[OrionDogOfWar]

I think it would be Orion. While capable of berseker fits and world shaking rages, it is temepered by a martial and tactical genius that befits his title as the God of War. In terms of Brute Strength, Orion is definately tops. He has beaten Darkseid several times and "killed" him twice in personal combat. All told in the several New Gods series, Superman/Batman Generations and his own comic Orion. In three encounters with Superman he has gotten the better and in Justice League America 183 it took Superman, GL, DR. Fate, Batman, Huntress, Wonderman, and Powergirl to save Firestorm from Orion. GL comments "I know we just won...so how come I feel lousy? After all seven against one is pretty crummy odds." Power girl resonded "hey Lantern, He attacked us remember?" Taking him down took a pretty good crew. His Astro Force can shatter planets. In the final issue of Orion in a berserker rage to make a statement that he had resumed his responsibility of countering Darkseid, physically and with the Astro Force he destroyed a quarter of Apokolips. Superman probably has an advantage on speed and overall versatility of powers but Orion has proved amazingly fast as well. In a comatose state from facing the living empdiment of chaos and destruction and defeating it he was come upon by a Apokolyptain contigient of soldiers. His instincts took over and he defeated the whole batallion in a blur before they new what was happening remaining iin a coatose state.

[Dusty]

My vote goes to Superman for sure! Orion may be powerful but not enough to stop or beat supes,




Dusty.

[Fernus]

Bringing up long dead topics is frowned upon here, and will most likely be closed. It's good that you looked for an existing topic, though, it's just too old.

[Knight]

Since this is the animated board I'll stick strictly to those versions. With the astro glider Orion and Superman are fairly evenly matched. But without as we have seen him shed it when he fought Darkseid in "Twilight" , I would assume he doesn't have a lot to stop Supes. In the animated universe Superman has beaten Darkseid twice and laid out Orion's brother Kalibak a number of times. As the sons of Darksied they should have virtually the same amount of Superstregth. Add in that Orion got his head handed to him by his dad badly I would say Superman most likely wins in combat.


Also this topic may be old but its still relevant so I wouldn't see why the mods would close it.

[OrionDogOfWar]

Of course in the STAS he basicall was able to beat down the Apokolyptian weaponry and basically saved Superman bacon. When Dan Turpin showed up and thanked Superman he pointed to Orion and said it's not ne you should think. Orion commented that the battle was two easy and Superman rubbing his neck said" oh yeah, a real walk in the park." In the comic I think it's easire to pick Orion. Animated really isn't cannon but at a minimum I would say it's inconclusive. As an aside Orion has always made short work of Kalibak as well.

[The Detective]

In Twilight....Darksied beat Orion....Superman beat Darksied. Soooo...Superman could beat Orion. Make sense?

[OrionDogOfWar]

In Apokolips Now! Superman was helpless against the Apokolyptian weaponry and Orion made short work of it and saved his bacon, sooo..... Orion is stronger I guess. Maybe the fact Darkseid lost to Superman was because he was just in a slobberknocker with Orion. As a matter of Prophecy in the Comc great Darkness saga, as Darkseid makes short work of the combined heros he recalls the prophecy that he can only be killed by the greatest warrior among the stars - his son Orion.

[BeastBoyWonder]

Orion, no contest. Just look at "Apokolips... Now!"

[Thanos]

Superman. No contest.

[Jade_GL]

In the comics, I would say it's a draw. Though I would give the edge to Superman. Then again, it depends on the type of story the writer wants to tell. Power levels change pretty regularly, or are at least interpreted differently by writers and artists. Anyway, with the various fights I've seen in JLA, Orion, and Superman, I would say it's close. But I think Orion's rage may just cause him to be overzealous and would be detrimental to his fighting.

But since this is the Animated Forum, we are dealing with the animated versions of the characters. From what little we've seen of Orion, he's not quite in Superman's league. Again, Superman beats Darkseid outright in STAS and takes it to a much higher and violent level in JL. Orion is a guest star that we know little about really. And, from what we are shown, Superman would probably beat him.

Finally, since this is the animated forum, I go with animated characters. Superman wins.

[OrionDogOfWar]

In the comics, I would say it's a draw. Though I would give the edge to Superman. Then again, it depends on the type of story the writer wants to tell. Power levels change pretty regularly, or are at least interpreted differently by writers and artists. Anyway, with the various fights I've seen in JLA, Orion, and Superman, I would say it's close. But I think Orion's rage may just cause him to be overzealous and would be detrimental to his fighting.

But since this is the Animated Forum, we are dealing with the animated versions of the characters. From what little we've seen of Orion, he's not quite in Superman's league. Again, Superman beats Darkseid outright in STAS and takes it to a much higher and violent level in JL. Orion is a guest star that we know little about really. And, from what we are shown, Superman would probably beat him.

Finally, since this is the animated forum, I go with animated characters. Superman wins.I think this is an example of how the animates series is inconsistant as well. Superman did beat Darksied, however in Apokolips Now he was pretty helpless and Orion mad short work of the threat saving him. Superman even gives defernece to the fact the day was saved by Orion. I guess if the rumors are true with JLU, Orion may become more than a guest and we'll get a better look.


As far as the comics Orion definately has the edge. Orion by Walt Simonson gives a pretty good depiction of Orion staying true to Kirby. Orion kicks Darkseid butt mano y mano in one issue and in the last issue goes on a rampage across Apokolips that destroys a quater of the planet. Darkseid merely watches helplessly. In the two fights with Superman in Action 586 and Sperman MOT 13, Orion gets the better stunning Superman in both. The only other time I remember combat is way back in Justice League of America 183. It takes the combined work of some big hitters like power girl, Superman, WW, Dr. Fate, anf GL to stop an Orion rampage. That was a pretty powerful contingent to stop him.

[EJill34]

Because this is about the animated versions, I'd give it to Superman. But in the comics, Orion is awfully powerful.

[Knight]

I think this is an example of how the animates series is inconsistant as well. Superman did beat Darksied, however in Apokolips Now he was pretty helpless and Orion mad short work of the threat saving him. Superman even gives defernece to the fact the day was saved by Orion. I guess if the rumors are true with JLU, Orion may become more than a guest and we'll get a better look.
Saying Superman was "helpless" makes it seem like he was getting his butt kicked the whole time which didn't happen. Superman was caught off guard, pent to a wall and electrocuted. Orion then freed him. We never see Superman fighting anymore after that only saving and protecting others. Orion with his familiarity with Apokolips weaponry should have an advantage when fighting against them which showed.

[The Detective]

In Apokolips Now! Superman was helpless against the Apokolyptian weaponry and Orion made short work of it and saved his bacon, sooo..... Orion is stronger I guess. Maybe the fact Darkseid lost to Superman was because he was just in a slobberknocker with Orion. As a matter of Prophecy in the Comc great Darkness saga, as Darkseid makes short work of the combined heros he recalls the prophecy that he can only be killed by the greatest warrior among the stars - his son Orion.I haven't seen Apokolips...Now! In...close to a year so I'd have to watch but remember. Orion knows all about Apolipian tech...Superman was completely unfamiliar with it. Plus, as I remember Orion had a mother box and his little scooter thing.

As for saying that the animated verse isn't cannon....sure it's not comics cannon, but in the animated verse, the animated verse is cannon. And this, is an animated board. I'm not familiar enough with the comics Orion to say who would win in a comics fight.

[OrionDogOfWar]

I haven't seen Apokolips...Now! In...close to a year so I'd have to watch but remember. Orion knows all about Apolipian tech...Superman was completely unfamiliar with it. Plus, as I remember Orion had a mother box and his little scooter thing.

As for saying that the animated verse isn't cannon....sure it's not comics cannon, but in the animated verse, the animated verse is cannon. And this, is an animated board. I'm not familiar enough with the comics Orion to say who would win in a comics fight.
I guess my point about cannon was that these characters are part and property of DC comics and their history, creatation and character is based off the comic book heros. As far as the cartoons, I'd say there really hasn't been enough of Orion yet but Bruce Timm is a fan of Kirby and I imagine if Orion is part of the JLU we will get Orion as he exists in comicdom.

[Silly McGooses]

This is kind of off-topic, but I was just looking at the title of the thread and I noticed that, as they often are, the comics are called "mainstream." That's kind of ironic, because these days many, many more people watch the cartoons compared to the number of people who by the comics.:rolleyes: