My beef w/ this incarnation of JL

[MeAmBizzaro]

GL's ring: bubbles, shields and beams only?

All amazons are as strong as Wonder Woman?

Hawkgirl portrayed more powerful than Supes or Flash w/ that mace. She looks like a one woman wrecking crew.

Flash can't outrun a speeding truck? Superfriends Flash can vibrate through walls, shake a building down to it's foundation, stomp his feet like a jackhammer and create earthquakes.

Have any of these problems been addressed?

[Bird Boy]

GL's Ring: In the comics, he's created more things. I haven't seen a need for other stuff in the show that a shield or whatever can't handle...

Amazons-as far as I know...maybe. Diana's mother broke out of those chains in "Fury, Pt. 2"

Hawkgirl-No idea

Flash-He can. but, as others have stated, he didn't catch up cuz he was doing it for fun. He was smiling. you could tell he was enjoying the ability to go faster then them, even if he wasn't.

And, I don't think any of them have been addressed yet.

-BB

[GL2k2]

You know what really irks me now about GL, is that in the commercial for "Legends" the Green Guardsman (The copycat for Alan Scott Green Lantern), is using his ring more inventively. Now I am really, really mad. Why is it this guy can use his ring creatively, but GL can't? There really is no excuse now!

[CadaverousEyes]

1. Why not? John's a straighforward guy, he has no time to think up of boxing gloves, baseball bats and such. He just does whatever gets the job done the quickest.

2. Why not? Are you against Amazon equality? Thinking maybe some Amazons are more deserving than others? Hmm?

3. Planet Destroying Beam deflecting aside, it's not that powerful. It didn't go through the force field in the Brave and the Bold.

4. He was just having fun, at the expense of the city. After he stopped and helped those people he caught up with it without even trying.

[MeAmBizzaro]

Originally posted by CadaverousEyes
1. Why not? John's a straighforward guy, he has no time to think up of boxing gloves, baseball bats and such. He just does whatever gets the job done the quickest.

2. Why not? Are you against Amazon equality? Thinking maybe some Amazons are more deserving than others? Hmm?

3. Planet Destroying Beam deflecting aside, it's not that powerful. It didn't go through the force field in the Brave and the Bold.

4. He was just having fun, at the expense of the city. After he stopped and helped those people he caught up with it without even trying.

1. Does that also go for the rest of the Green Lantern Corps as well? I don't buy it and you're just guessing as to his motives. As far as getting the job done the quickest, you don't think a huge baseball mitt would have caught the 2 missles headed for Gorilla City?

2. You don't know much about Wonder Woman's origin do you? Her powers were endowed by the Gods through Hippolyta's wishes.

3. I'm not saying the mace is powerful, but the portrayal of Hawkgirl with the mace make her seem more of an effective member of the League than the Flash.

4. Having fun at the expense of the city? And taking a chance with people's lives? I just don't think the writers are using Flash's powers to their full potential. There's more to him than just dodging things and fanning flames with his arms.

[CadaverousEyes]

1. We really haven't seen the others use their rings, so I don't know. No, I'm not guessing, I'm making a fair observation from what we've seen of his personality. Sure, the ring can contain nuclear explosions (well, it has in the comics) but then the others wouldn't have been able to save the city! Take your pick between calling it a hurried poor judgment call or lazy writing.

2. I know about her origin. The animated series doesn't have to follow the comics. Until they say it, as far as we know, Diana wasn't made out of clay and all the Amazons are equal.

3. Since she's a 3rd stringer at best, and was never part of the JLA in the comics, she needs that emphasis. Or else everyone would be complaining about how useless she is and how they'd rather have Aquaman.

4. He had things under control. When people were endangered, he helped them. And he did quickly rewire Grodd's helmet. How's that for potential?

[metaphysician]

I am *SICK* and *TIRED* of hearing about John Stewart's "uncreativity"!!

Why bother to make fancy constructs if simply force fields and energy are more efficient!!

[WingZombie38]

Originally posted by metaphysician
I am *SICK* and *TIRED* of hearing about John Stewart's "uncreativity"!!

Why bother to make fancy constructs if simply force fields and energy are more efficient!!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

[D.Shaffer]

Originally posted by metaphysician
I am *SICK* and *TIRED* of hearing about John Stewart's "uncreativity"!!

Why bother to make fancy constructs if simply force fields and energy are more efficient!!
Cause obviously if they had done it RIGHT, it would have to be done MY way. Right? ;)

[The Flash]

Originally posted by metaphysician
Why bother to make fancy constructs if simply force fields and energy are more efficient!!

A bomb has been thrown into a large gathering of people. GL is the only JLer there to save them. Please tell me what is cooler, more exciting, and more eye catching.

[list=1]
A simple beam that catches the bomb.
A giant baseball glove that catches the bomb. The baseball glove turns into a simple hand, and the bomb is thrown into space.
[/list=1]

Now... I would go with choice 2. It might take more effort to animate, but gosh darn, it grabbed my interest!! When you get down to it, they're both effective!

[Harvey Dent]

I think that JS is creative, but due to the small budget, they're not able to make much use out of his ring besides shields and lasers. Hell, his spotlight ep featured 4 other Lanterns, and they were doing the shield and laser thing too. I think the only reason why the Green Guardsman is using creative constructs is because it's only for one story, and the production staff can afford it. Now, if the budget for Season 2 is at the same level as it was for previous shows, I bet we'll see some more imagination from JS, like clamps, mallets, and other simple constructs. I suppose as long as it has some type of military connection and he feels the need to do it, he'll make something worthwile.

[MeAmBizzaro]

Or maybe the Legends episodes was made to spark some kind of creativity within John (?) I'm hoping that at episode's end, John will take his cue from the Green Guardsman and try something new with the ring.

[Squall]

I agree with "CadaverousEyes." All four of Dini & Timm's DC Universe animated TV shows -- Batman:TAS, Superman:TAS, Justice League, and Batman Beyond -- have their own continuity and their own "universe" which is completely independent from the comics. Both Dini and Timm have said many times over the years that they did this on purpose, so that you didn't have to read the comics to watch and enjoy the TV shows.

:D

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by The Flash


A bomb has been thrown into a large gathering of people. GL is the only JLer there to save them. Please tell me what is cooler, more exciting, and more eye catching.

[list=1]
A simple beam that catches the bomb.
A giant baseball glove that catches the bomb. The baseball glove turns into a simple hand, and the bomb is thrown into space.
[/list=1]

Now... I would go with choice 2. It might take more effort to animate, but gosh darn, it grabbed my interest!! When you get down to it, they're both effective!

I don't give a damn which is more "visually interesting"!! I care about what would work best, and that would be a force field!!

Besides, the behavior of the characters should *NOT* be primarily determined by out of story influences.

[Jade_GL]

I just gotta say this about GLs in the comics, ALL of them that I have seen make constructs with their rings.

They were all creative, they all made objects that fit their personality. You can do so much with a ring. In one comic Kyle recreated the entire GL Corps to fight along with him, and all were independantly punching, etc.

I think beams and bubbles are effective, but I think for Gl fans, it takes everything about the fun of GL and throws it out the window. GLs are supposed to be creative, that's why they got the role. Heck, even Guy Gardiner had some fun with his ring! The thing about it is, these people aren't supposed to have trouble with coming up with ideas for their ring. It's whatever pops into their head, so niether a bubble nor a baseball mitt is any more effective than the other.

Example that totally rocked --> In DC One Million, Kyle Rayner had to control and contain an entire supernova. Instead of going with a bubble, he goes with a big safe. Now a bubble could convey the problem of containment, but a more effective means of showing the stress of the supernova was seeing the safe's door buckle and the safe bulge. Bubbles can only do so much. :)

Anyway, it don't matter in the long run, especially since the Green Guardsman is making constructs. It will be cool to see it at least one or two times. :D

[GL2k2]

Originally posted by MeAmBizzaro
Or maybe the Legends episodes was made to spark some kind of creativity within John (?) I'm hoping that at episode's end, John will take his cue from the Green Guardsman and try something new with the ring.

I hope so. Maybe Flash'll say something like, "Why can't you do that?!"

I'm actually hoping that as the series progresses these characters become dynamic. They move away from being the upstart team to a full on team. This way they can take on Darkseid and halfway win. Cause right now, they would lose so bad, Darkseid would be done with the team (Superman being the first to go), and on his way to earth where Batman would have to pick up the slack and save the friggin day as usual.

I think the creative team is building this series with the outlook that these characters are going to progress, much like a real dramatic series. This would be the only reason that the cool constructs are devoid of the series right now. At least I hope.

[Supernovametalstar]

Actually, I find the use of energy boxing gloves and safes rather...silly. Especially for a show that has situations that are life threatening. I'm not saying it is bad to be creative with the ring (the Superman episode with Green Lantern proves that), but I can understand, accept, and rather like how they are using it now. Who knows, after hanging out with Flash so much, perhaps GL will start using the ring more creatively.

[Anubis C. Soundwave]

VHS/SLP 6-hour tape. Timer record, so I don't have to monitor the tape.

I catch the JL wide screen editions, SJ, ASA, and Toonami RS(Superman and Batman) in three hours. [ASA for me is YYH and Gundam 0083.]

And I need new tapes now.... :(

[The Green Hornet]

.....to earth where Batman would have to pick up the slack and save the friggin day as usual.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!


i do NOT care what your opinion is of the Batman, but he CAN NOT (and by god SHOULD NOT) be able to beat DARKSEID (the day he does i will turn JL off in UTTER disgust and will begin a massive campaign to see it canceled)

Darkseid is not only smarter, but INFINITLY more powerful

and OMEGA beams wont bounce off of a mirror.................

[Captain Sarcasm]

Originally posted by The Green Hornet
i do NOT care what your opinion is of the Batman, but he CAN NOT (and by god SHOULD NOT) be able to beat DARKSEID (the day he does i will turn JL off in UTTER disgust and will begin a massive campaign to see it canceled)

Well, rule two of the JL writers is "Batman can beat anyone and do anything, now turn off your brain and shut up," right between "Superman is a pansy, now turn off your brain and shut up," and "Green Lantern has the creativity of a lobotomy patient, now..." fill in the rest by yourself.

My theory is that Batman has discovered the unlimited potential of Plot Gas and has incorporated misters into his mask. Ever wonder why the ears are so big all of a sudden?

[Emerald Archer]

I'm still wondering why Bruce chose John for the GL spot. I mean I KNOW why, but it just irks me. Theirs enough hard feelings amounts GL fans without another curve ball being thrown at us. I have a feeling I know how this is going to play out over in the DC universe side of the equation. Hal is Spectre, he won't be back as GL anytime soon. Guy is a no, Alan is looking twords semi retirement. Kyle/Ion is hopefully going to start a new corp, but he will be to busy to be GL of sector 2814 so that leaves......
1) Jade
2) John

With all the background they have done on John in the last few months in the comic, it looks like he's going to be the man with the ring.

What say you all???

[Jade_GL]

Well, I think Batman, in both JLA comics and the JL cartoon, is given way too much in the way of story. I mean this, he gets to save the day, a lot. I don't deny that Batman is pretty darn cool, but I have to say that with all of the other members on the team, including the fastest man alive (Flash), the most powerful being in the DCU (Superman), the second most powerful being in the DCU (Wonder Woman), one of the most powerful telepaths in the DCU (Martian Manhunter), and one of the strongest wills in the DCU (Green Lantern), you'd think that the Dark Knight would be a little less, I don't know, amazing?

I just had to say that it was refreshing to see him get his butt kicked be Aresia in "Fury", as well as collapse after being exposed to the virus. There was no "Well, I had a special antidote already prepared for just such an emergency. Why? Because I'm the game." comment, which was cool.

Also, I was pissed that Superman collapsed so quickly. This guy is an alien with a suped up immune system. His only weaknesses are Kryptonite and magic (and now anything really in the cartoon, now that I think of it...) You mean to tell me that Batman, a human with a normal immune system (and no, I have never seen an issueor cartoon where he somehow creates a special chemical to boost his flu-fighting ability) was able to last longer than Supes?

Ahhhh. I guess he did have a special filter on his mask...

[metaphysician]

First, Superman always has been ( post Crisis ) susceptible to sufficiently powerful attacks.

The thing is, it takes alot to hurt him with them, as opposed to magic and kryptonite, which bypass his invulnerability.

So no more complaints about the fact that Superman can be hurt by energy blasts and superstrong fists.

Second, why shouldn't Batman shine just as much as the rest of the League?? Sure, he's not the strongest, fastest, or whatever, but he *IS* the smartest. If nothing else, that should be as worthy as any other "best".

[Jade_GL]

He can shine just as much, but I think that in a lot of situations, people make him seem sooooo much better than everyone else. He is "the game" in most instances.

I wasn't saying that he didn't deserve any props or anything, I just feel like, in comparison, he should be more vulnerable than other characters with super powers. Sure, he can use his intelligence, agility, all of that, to avoid and thwart villains, but he shouldn't be able to outlast Supes when it comes to a chemical or biological weapon. I just don't find that logical, unless the chemical or biological weapon is more harmful to Kryptonians. But, in all incarnations of comics and cartoons, kryptonians are hardier than most humans, even if they are as supremely trained as Batman.

[stwasm]

Originally posted by metaphysician
I am *SICK* and *TIRED* of hearing about John Stewart's "uncreativity"!!

Why bother to make fancy constructs if simply force fields and energy are more efficient!!

Metaphysician, that is the smartest thing I've seen anyone say about John Stewart's use of the ring! Thank you! :D

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by Jade_GL
He can shine just as much, but I think that in a lot of situations, people make him seem sooooo much better than everyone else. He is "the game" in most instances.

I wasn't saying that he didn't deserve any props or anything, I just feel like, in comparison, he should be more vulnerable than other characters with super powers. Sure, he can use his intelligence, agility, all of that, to avoid and thwart villains, but he shouldn't be able to outlast Supes when it comes to a chemical or biological weapon. I just don't find that logical, unless the chemical or biological weapon is more harmful to Kryptonians. But, in all incarnations of comics and cartoons, kryptonians are hardier than most humans, even if they are as supremely trained as Batman.

And he wouldn't have, except for the fact that Superman was directly exposed to a massive dose of the stuff, where as Batman was only collaterally exposed after the fact, while he was in the same region of the city.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by metaphysician
First, Superman always has been ( post Crisis ) susceptible to sufficiently powerful attacks.

The thing is, it takes alot to hurt him with them, as opposed to magic and kryptonite, which bypass his invulnerability.

So no more complaints about the fact that Superman can be hurt by energy blasts and superstrong fists.

Second, why shouldn't Batman shine just as much as the rest of the League?? Sure, he's not the strongest, fastest, or whatever, but he *IS* the smartest. If nothing else, that should be as worthy as any other "best".

Sure I can understand that Superman would be hurt by electricity or "super strong" fists - these were both established in S:TAS. The problem we have is that Superman has lacked any sense of thinking - virtually since Secret Origins (even though he wasn't very Super there either). There is something wrong when Superman flys in, gets hit instantly and is promptly gone from the fight. How many times have we seen Superman cut loose like he did in S:TAS? None. Where as we've seen Batman completely in character for almost the entire season. Right now a three year old girl could take Supes out with a simple blow to the stomach, where as Batman could solve world hunger in a matter of minutes in JL:TAS. With all respect to Batman (because I do like the character to) he's smart but he isn't Reed Richards.

As a big Superman fan I just want to see the character given some respect and be made into the icon he is - and not the joke he's become.

-Joe!