From least to worse what's your favorite Star Trek series?

[I.R Joey]

K give it to me trekkies.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
K give it to me trekkies.

DS9 was definitely the best of the four. The quality of storytelling was exceptional and the existence of a larger story that encompassed the entire series allowed the show to do things the others couldn't. TOS and TNG are tied and second. Voyager's easily the worst. Lackluster writing destroyed the series. Hopefully Enterprise will be good, but I'm really upset about them doing a 5th series so soon. When I heard about the premise, I was just disgusted. Hopefully it'll turn out all right.

[Calhoun07]

Deep Space Nine rocks. And I think Sisko is the best Star Trek captain EVER. Not only did he fight off the Dominion, but he held his own against Klingons and even got rid of that pesky Q. The series did have the best story lines, but I think the last season suffered with the new Dax, whom I hated ferociously.

The Next Generation comes in second for me, tho season two and season six were the worst ever (if season six is the one with that stupid Evolution episode. WORST EPISODE EVER!)

Voyager is third for me, and the original series is dead last. And the way I pick my favorites is which series has the most episodes I would watch again and again. There is not ONE in DS9 I wouldn't watch again, while NG had some true dogs, and Voyager was good for the most part, tho suffered quite a bit more than the other two. And the Original Series? Puhlease. Some of those episodes are just BAD.

[Joker85]

TNG will always be my favorite,but DS9 is a close second. Voyager had its moments but it was better thsn the original series! Enterprise looks like it is going to suck!!! Why are they going backwards instead of fowards????:mad:

[Calhoun07]

I think Enterprise will be cool, but if they were going to go back in time, I wish they would have done the Enterprise B. I liked the crew, and Peter David really gave the characters depth in Captains Daughter

[Bird Boy]

I'm pretty sure it's "Trekkers"..not sure, but I think they "officially" changed their name awhile back..anyway.

I grew up on TNG, so that's my choice. I never really liked DS9..but, I think I'm gonna start getting episodes from the library and watch em'..

-BB

[Nightflower]

The problem is, I heard the klingons in the series will have the full forehead ridges, which doesn't make sense timeline-wise.

[Joker85]

I know!! Rick berman is going back and changing the Klingons because he felt that if Roddenberry had the money he would have done them that way. He and Brannon Braga should both be fired and sent to live under a bridge with the homeless.:mad:

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Joker85
I know!! Rick berman is going back and changing the Klingons because he felt that if Roddenberry had the money he would have done them that way. He and Brannon Braga should both be fired and sent to live under a bridge with the homeless.:mad:

Best explanation of the Klingon forehead thing was in DS9's "Tribble" episode, where Whorf just says "It's a long story."

I think they oughta ignore it, the way they ignored the change in the Penguin's appearance between BTAS and TNBA.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
I'm pretty sure it's "Trekkers"..not sure, but I think they "officially" changed their name awhile back..anyway.

I grew up on TNG, so that's my choice. I never really liked DS9..but, I think I'm gonna start getting episodes from the library and watch em'..

DS9's definitely worth watching, and in order. The reward is when you get to the last couple seasons. It was truly a great series. As for the whole trekkie/trekker thing, I've never understood it. What the heck is a trekker? That's meaningless to me. DS9, for instance, was just a series that I liked to watch. So was TNG. Why should I be branded with a certain name? I'm just a guy. I don't know who came up with the concept of a trekkie, but he/she should be phasered (on stun of course :) ).

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07
The series did have the best story lines, but I think the last season suffered with the new Dax, whom I hated ferociously.

That's unnecessarily harsh. Jadzia was great, to the point that it was hard not to fall for her, but that's not a reason to hate Ezri. There wasn't too much focus on her like Seven on Voyager, so there never was truly a problem. I liked her. Certainly not Jadzia, but still a cute character. Certainly not worthless or worthy of hatred.

[Calhoun07]

The new Dax in the last season slowed things down. While that is not a reason to dislike the character (I disliked the character for reasons in the series, not outside of it) I think that the actress who played Jadzia was wrong in leaving the way she did. But oh well, I think the writers did the best they could with what they had, but it slowed the pace down slightly as they had to make room for the transition.

As to why I didn't like the character...I don't know, it's hard to explain.

How about the way Star Trek handles the death of major characters? Yar got killed by some black ooze, Kirk died on some dumb bridge on a rock world, and Judzia's death was the most anticlimatic. I was really execting something powerful, but it wasn't all that. I don't think Star Trek has written any great character out well ever. They did the death of Spock well, I do have to give them credit for that, but that's about it.

As for the Klingon issue...yeah, ignore it, that's the best response. Perhaps Star Trek could benefit from borrowing the line from Mystery Science Theater's theme song..."It's just a show." Roddenberry DID want to do the Klingons like that, that is most certainly true, and budget restraints held him back. If he had the money, Klingons would have had ridges from the beginning. Once he got money, and was able to put them in a feature movie, the ridges went on their heads. He was finally able to do Klingons the way he wanted, and I think they should be done in the way he wanted in the new series.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07

How about the way Star Trek handles the death of major characters? Yar got killed by some black ooze, Kirk died on some dumb bridge on a rock world, and Judzia's death was the most anticlimatic. I was really execting something powerful, but it wasn't all that. I don't think Star Trek has written any great character out well ever. They did the death of Spock well, I do have to give them credit for that, but that's about it.



Actually, I've liked the way Star Trek has handled death. It's always been apparant through the four series and movies that in almost all cases the main characters come out all right and the unknown crew members die. Given the situations that they find themselves in, that is so unrealistic. So, in the those rare moments when a lead character does die, I find it kind of refreshing that it isn't always a glorious, climactic death. It seems to balance things out. It makes sense. And in Jadzia's case, I think they did quite a good job. There was a lot of emotion due to the way they set up the episode. Jadzia was feeling on top of the world after finding out from Julian that she and Worf could have a baby. And then it all came crashing down when Dukat/Kosst Amojan entered the station. I definitely felt something, as opposed to when Yar died. That was a such a quick death and at a time you'd least expect. There was hardly an opportunity to take it all in or feel anything. I also like James Kirk's death a lot. He died saving millions and he died alone, as he always felt he would.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I think Enterprise will be cool, but if they were going to go back in time, I wish they would have done the Enterprise B. I liked the crew, and Peter David really gave the characters depth in Captains Daughter

The more I hear about Enterprise, the more optimistic I feel about it working out. The problem I've had with doing any more Trek shows based on a starship is that it would be the same thing all over again. Voyager failed because it was basically no different from the Enterprise in Next Generation. On Voyager, the action took place mostly on the bridge, engineering, crew quarters, the mess hall, sickbay, the holodeck: all the same places that previous Trek shows have based their episodes. And they looked just about the same, too. That's why a series based on the Enterprise B wouldn't work. It would feel exactly the same. You'd have the Captain, First Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical officer and so on exploring aboard a starship that on the inside is essentially just like the other Fed ships we've seen. It'd be boring.

But from what I'm hearing of Enterprise, the ship is going to be more like a submarine with a very cramped interior. If that's true, then that's great. It'll feel different, which is necessary. Also, Enterprise is supposed to be the first starship, right? That's what it sounds like from what Bakula's been saying. So that too will provide a very different feel. Basically, there'll just be the Enterprise in space. No other human ships (of that size and importance anyway), no Federation. The series could actually work. But the feel and look of the show has to be different. It's a must. I haven't seen the bridge, yet, but I'm hoping it's going to be significantly different in design from the other shows. Does anybody know if that's the case?

[Calhoun07]

That is exactly what the new series is going to be like. Another thing is that this world they are giving us isn't the "perfect" world envisioned by Roddenberry, so character developments will certainly be different than the past Trek shows we were accustomed to.

I agree with your comments about Voyager being another Next Generation. I don't think we have to worry about that with Enterrprise. From what I've been reading about the show, it won't be the same formula we've seen in past shows. I think the reason I liked Deep Space Nine so much is that it made something different out of the Trek franchise and succeded. And it looks like Enterprise is doing the same thing. This even takes place before there was a Federation. SO will that mean no "prime directive?" This could add some spice to the show, and some human drama. I really like the sound of this new series.

[James]

Worst: Deep Space Nine - never worked IMO, tried hard but there were not enough stories based around likeable crew members - in fact, there weren't any likable crew members. Ending was poor and after 7 series of living like Babylon 5's poor cousin, it gave us an almost identical final episode. Pity really, had a lot of potential, and not to say a few spiffing episodes.

Down under...: Voyager - Has got a lot better - dreadful start, but has picked up and while not as consistent as DS9, is now far more enjoyable than any of DS9 episodes. Neelix is the worst Trek character ever.

Not bad: STTNG: Like Voyager, it had a duff start but got a lot better before getting worse again. Best set of Star Trek characters from any of the revivals.

Best: Star Trek TOS - I love this. It deals with intelligent concepts and works with storylines rather than technobabble. Science hinders the stories (unlike all the revivals) and deals with ideas without getting bogged down in explaining how they might work. Good acting (on the whole) and the most likeable characters too. The characters hit new heights in the movies as Hollywood gave the show a harder, grittier edge which would be continued throughout the shows offspring. I love it and so should you :)

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by SJJ

Best: Star Trek TOS - I love this. It deals with intelligent concepts and works with storylines rather than technobabble. Science hinders the stories (unlike all the revivals) and deals with ideas without getting bogged down in explaining how they might work. Good acting (on the whole) and the most likeable characters too. The characters hit new heights in the movies as Hollywood gave the show a harder, grittier edge which would be continued throughout the shows offspring. I love it and so should you :)

Glad to see I'm not the only one who voted for TOS. It has its limitations, but it has a punchier feel than the others do.

[James]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who voted for TOS. It has its limitations, but it has a punchier feel than the others do.

Glad to see another TOS supporter! I was a little surprised how poorly TOS faired in the poll. Yes, it has it's limitations, and perhaps some outdated concepts on the male/female divide, but it is a product of it's time and that always must be taken into account when judging the series - plus it's the original, with no template to work from.

I'm not saying I expect everyone to love it like I do, I just justifiying my surprise at how poor the poll support has been!!

IMO it was also less 'soapy' than the rest. Perhaps I'm just showing my age! :)

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by SJJ
Worst: Deep Space Nine - never worked IMO, tried hard but there were not enough stories based around likeable crew members - in fact, there weren't any likable crew members. Ending was poor and after 7 series of living like Babylon 5's poor cousin, it gave us an almost identical final episode. Pity really, had a lot of potential, and not to say a few spiffing episodes.


What have you been watching? I honestly can't see any way that one could put Voyager above DS9. Everyone's going to have different tastes, which is going to affect which series they liked better. But in terms of qualilty of storytelling, there was no comparison. Saying the none of the crew members were likable sounds very unusual considering that there was far more character development that in any of the other Trek shows. And what are you calling the "Ending"? The final episode? Given the type of show that DS9 was, and the long-term storytelling they did, you can't single out one episode as being the entire ending. If you want to criticize the final episode, fine, but you can't tell me that the concluding multi-episode arc was entirely poor. It wasn't. Not by a long shot. There definite moments of brilliance, and overall, the final season was very strong. DS9 did have a lot of potential. And most of it was realized.

[James]

What have you been watching? I honestly can't see any way that one could put Voyager above DS9. Everyone's going to have different tastes, which is going to affect which series they liked better. But in terms of qualilty of storytelling, there was no comparison.

I do agree that DS9 was the more mature, and had more intelligent storylines AND a superior story arc, however for straight pulp fiction stories (and I can't say I'm an avid viewer of the new Treks) I find Voyager's later seasons more enjoyable. Deplorable, I agree. I just know that I find Voyager easy to turn over to and watch than MOST of DS9 - to be fair, in that light Voyager should have come last as DS9 is a better quality show - I think they just stuffed up on the characters. Voyager's characters don't have to be likable as it's not a character driven show - it's as I said, Pulp sci-fi. DS9 is a character based show being so heavily set in one place it has to be. Aside from Bashir and O'Brien (and Garak's occasional appearences) I found the crew to be the wrong side of yawnsome.
So for me I would prefer to watch Voyager with my dinner, but as for which is the more intelligent show I would have to nominate DS9.


The final episode? Given the type of show that DS9 was, and the long-term storytelling they did, you can't single out one episode as being the entire ending. If you want to criticize the final episode, fine, but you can't tell me that the concluding multi-episode arc was entirely poor.

Oh dear... I have to disagree slightly on this one. The very final episode (which I was refering to) is substandard. I have enjoyed many DS9 episodes. Occassionally I felt it was going to really get going, then Quark and the Nagus would intervene and spoil everything.
The last episode was, IMO, rank. Pointless and largely irrelevant. Dukat's scenes wasted and very disappointing. Much could have been done in the final episodes with this fine standing character. Sisko's ascension was nothing more than a retread of B5's final episode and then the rest just fizzled. Stinky, IMO. I haven't scene the last Voyager but I imagine they will do a worse finale (Trek is not very good at final episodes!)
As for the final arc, yes this was good - on the whole. I felt the last few in the arc before the final episode fizzled slightly - and someone really has to explain to someone on the DS9 production how space battles would work and explain the concept of space and relative time to distance - DS9 made some poor judgements on that. Tiny grumble, but it has stuck with me!
I didn't mind the arc I wish they had continued it into the final episode and perhaps given the finale a little more kick. Pity.

To be far, my order of preference is slight. I don't view DS9, Voyager or STTNG being much better/worse than each other. I haven't felt they have learnt from each other or built much on past errors. Hopefully Enterprise will give us all something new.

[WeelyTM]

im a trekkie............ wut u wanna call urself is personal preference. trekkie/trekker same thing.
TNG is the one a lot of us grew up with, so thats bound to attract the most votes. I'd pick DS9 second becuz it had good story, always good content, and the best space combat ever. Voyager third, becuz it did start out well, but they just had a hard time connecting the story from episode to episode. and the ending, well, they put 2 seasons worth of info into the last episode.
TOS is last, simply becuz it lacks the story and content of any of the others. its: kirk and spock and another leading cast member beam down, with 5 or so guys in red jumpsuits. guys in red jumpsuits die, kirk saves the day, the end. tho that may be seriously exaggerated, it still represents way too episodes. i only watch the classic episodes from TOS. all the in betweener episodes never can catch my attention for long.

[James]

TOS is last, simply becuz it lacks the story and content of any of the others. its: kirk and spock and another leading cast member beam down, with 5 or so guys in red jumpsuits. guys in red jumpsuits die, kirk saves the day, the end. tho that may be seriously exaggerated, it still represents way too episodes. i only watch the classic episodes from TOS. all the in betweener episodes never can catch my attention for long.

I think the reason the orginal series works better than the others is the fact that it does mainly only centre around three crew members (Kirk, Spock and McCoy for the unintiated!). I think this makes for fluid stories. You have a triangle there, Kirk for charisma and leadership, Spock for logic and intelligence, McCoy for compasion and humanity. Together they make for strong writing as they each exhibit fundemental human characteristics which are vital for good writing. We have the background character's just to flesh out the stories and give a little variance to the stories.

My problem with the TNG, DS9 and Voyager is that they don't spend enough time developing at least three very strong characters and too much time making episodes for all the crew. This means that character development suffers and I think it weakens any bonding between main characters and the viewer.

For an example, I like Bashir, O'Brien and occasionally Sisko, but I'd turn on and have to tolerate stories with Quark, WOLF!, Nog, The Nagus, Dax, Kira etc..... I don't think these character's have enough to have entire stories devoted to them - they'd work better as support characters!
Some for Voyager and Next Gen (Neelix, Kim, WOLF!, Geordi, Troi, Paris, Belanna) all got in the way of the main characters.

To me, Kirk Spock and McCoy were always worth watching, so I knew if I sat down and watched STOS I would be happy.
I find with the other versions I'm heavily relying on pot luck to whether I coming to be watching characters I feel either work or actually car about!!

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by SJJ


I think the reason the orginal series works better than the others is the fact that it does mainly only centre around three crew members (Kirk, Spock and McCoy for the unintiated!).

I partly agree with that. A series that focuses on fewer characters will have much better characterization. When Berman said in past interviews that the new series would be completely different, I was hoping we'd see at the most four main characters, and that they wouldn't hold the typical starship/bridge positions. Unfortunately, that's not going to be the case. And it's one of the big reasons that I'm still uncertain about Enterprise's chances at success. In my opinion, following 7 senior officers as they explore space on board a starship has been done to death. I'm not sure Enterprise has enough new elements to make the show worthwhile.

While I agee about the strength TOS's big three, I disagree that DS9 did not develop enough strong characters. Unlike TNG and VOY, DS9 did not allow a few characters to dominate the series, while forgetting the others. On TNG, Picard and Data were obviously the "heavyweight" characters. On Voyager, it was the Doc, Seven, and Janeway. But on DS9, the main characters, on the whole, were very, very well developed. Even Jake and Quark, the two with the least screentime, came across as more alive than most of the characters on Voyager. Given the existence of long-term plot threads on DS9, the characters were actually growing through their involvement in more substantial situations and scenarios. And it wasn't just the "main" characters. Dukat, Weyoun, Garak, Damar, and others came across as being so much more than just background figures. And when I describe the DS9 characters as being more interesting than the others, I don't mean in term of personal preference and taste. I mean in the sense that they were more developed and had more growth than either the TNG or Voy character sets. Everyone's going to have their own preferences for character types, but it wouldn't be fair to criticize DS9 for having "boring" characters. Rather, I think it'd be a case of whether you like them or not.

[James]

DarkAngel:
but it wouldn't be fair to criticize DS9 for having "boring" characters. Rather, I think it'd be a case of whether you like them or not.

Well boring is a lazy term I must admit. Uninteresting may be closer. In DS9, I really found Kira not just uninteresting, but unbelievable. Same goes for Dax who I never found believable or enjoyable and as for the dreaded Wolf........ and Nog. Jake I found dull and aside from the Todd episode, I have found him very weak. Sisko... I can never make my mind up about him. Sometimes I think he is an excellent strong character and then other time he just seems to fade into the background.

DS9 did have some excellent support characters - it was just fustrating to see the lower end of the cast taking more limelight than them. Garak and Dukat were exellent and always worth watching. However I must confess treading turning on to DS9 in the fear of encountering the dreaded Nagus or Moggie.....

I think a general problem with Star Trek is that they never reflect the public attitude. You see very little cast changes in STTNG, Voyager or DS9 and there needs to be. Neelix should have gone long ago, as should Kira and Dax.. Troi was a waste of space and Wesley.... good lord the guy eventually left of his own accord - they'd have kept him on indefinately!!
There needs to be more flexibility in the casting and those who are found to be unpopular, lessened or removed. It's cruel, but that's how you make a show work - you learn from your mistakes and move forward.

[Calhoun07]

I never had a problem with the characterization in Deep Space Nine. In fact, it was that show I measured all the other shows by, and I found the interesting characters void from Voyager. The characters on Voyager were mostly interesting, but it seemed to me they never developed the perephrial characters the way they did on Deep Space Nine. And I think Deep Space Nine had the most interesting characters on any Trek series. I can't even think of one that annoyed me on that show. Wes was annoying on Next Gen, and Neelix was annoying on Voyager (I guess nobody was annoying on TOS either!) but I really, geninely enjoyed 99.9% of the characters on Deep Space Nine. I didn't care for the last Dax too much in the final season, tho. Hopefully I will get over that and really enjoy the last season for what it was worth.

Also, the Ferengi episodes were always funny and worth while to watch. Little Green Men was my favorite, but I loved them all. I think the Ferengi were the best thing Deep Space Nine had going for it (for secondary characters, that is, not as a whole). I also liked Worf on the series, and just about every thing else you all don't like! I guess it's just personal taste! At least we have all of these series so different people can enjoy Star Trek on different levels. Even my mom, who loathes sci fi and Star Trek all together, reallly liked DS9.

[James]

but I really, geninely enjoyed 99.9% of the characters on Deep Space Nine. I didn't care for the last Dax too much in the final season, tho. Hopefully I will get over that and really enjoy the last season for what it was worth.

It's a shame because I do have a fair amount of respect for DS9 as a programme and a Trek series. It had guts to stray so far from Roddenbery's frankly insipid vision. There was a lot of good stuff I just really, really wish I could have enjoyed the main character's more!

Here's a personal list:

Hated Stories based around:
1: Quark (includes Nog, Moggie, Nagus etc)
2: Dax
3: Wolf (includes ANY Klingon and obviously dove tails with my hatred of Dax!!)

I can't think of one redeeming story with those character's playing central role.

Stories with character's which I think worked well (even if I didn't like the character:
1: Garak (they were occasional but he got a lot more involved centrally near the end!)
2: Bashir (A character which even if the story was a filler, simply worked and felt real. Hats off to Siddig)
3: O'Brien (Again, not a massive fan of O'Brien, but his central stories were excellent and often faintly horrible for the poor guy - but then so was his wife so he was used to that!)
4: Odo (JUST made it into this list, again, not a massive fan of Odo, but he had some sweet episodes in his time)
5: Dukat (Rare he was central, but he was ALWAYS excellent!)


Sisko was a character I liked, but always ended up with duff family stories with Jake (yuk!) when I always felt he shone in his role as a Commander. Kira I hated, but the Bajor stories which often involved her kind of worked!

And here is the grumble - while there were many storylines (including the excellent Dominion story) that were cool, there were so many characters (the above list) which created beyond dull filler episodes!!
I'd love to go through one day and cull all the dull fillers and create a leaner, meaner DS9 - I'd then get rich, market it and get even more rich and have lots of sex.

Then again, no is bright enough to buy DS9 - a problem the show always suffered from.... Hmm, Am I one of those people?

Ah, the irony sinks in.....

[Calhoun07]

I loved Odo's character. Of course, Odo's character probably spoke to alot of people who felt like out casts themselves. One especially favorite episode was the one where he REALLY wanted to tell Kira his feelings for her, but her relationship with that one guy (what was his name) really took off. At the end of the show, he decided it best to stick with just the basics. The emotional turmoil in that episode was something many people could identify with, and I guess that's why I like the episodes in DS9 much more, because while the stories might be about something sci fi and bigger than life, the theme of the stories would often be something close to home.

[WeelyTM]

i actually thought the focus around a larger group added to the storyline. it made the show seem a lot less repetitive, and added a lot more higher level interaction among characters.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by WeelyTM
i actually thought the focus around a larger group added to the storyline. it made the show seem a lot less repetitive, and added a lot more higher level interaction among characters.

Yeah, that's what I loved about the show. Even the weaker episodes were interesting to watch because the character interaction was so great. I've always had such a tough time choosing a favorite character because they were all so interesting, each contributing something to the show. I've named each of the following as my favorite at one time or another: Bashir, Odo, Dax, Kira, Capt Sisko, Worf. And that's not including some of the secondary characters like Weyoun, Dukat, or Damar. Kira's probably my favorite of the main characters. Of the supporting members, I'd say Damar and Weyoun. But yeah, DS9 had such a large group of characters, and yet most came across as strongly developed. There was so much great interaction.

[James]

But yeah, DS9 had such a large group of characters, and yet most came across as strongly developed. There was so much great interaction.

I must have been watching a different Deep Space 9 then :D

For me, what made ST:OS and STTNG was the main character's. I found they made the show (yes, Kirk made even Spock's Brain watchable). Perhaps that's why I found DS9 so annoying, I was more interested in characters than storyline and missed the strong main characters.
I wouldn't say (and I don't mean this as a negative remark) that DS9 really has a main character. There seem to be as many stories without Sisko in the lead as there are with. Voyager could be argued to have the same set up... IMO...

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by SJJ

I wouldn't say (and I don't mean this as a negative remark) that DS9 really has a main character. There seem to be as many stories without Sisko in the lead as there are with.

That's exactly how I look at it. And that's one aspect I loved. There wasn't the sense that one character was being developed at the expense of others. And despite that lack of a lead character or characters, the crew still came across as strong overall. Voyager was more like TNG, in that a few characters (Janeway, Seven, Doc) got most of the attention. But they were no where near as interesting as the other series characters IMO. I've heard some say that the Kirk-Spock-Bones friendship is Star Trek. I can see that's something you believe in. And I see it. Their relationship was truly special.

But for me, there was something to DS9 as well. Some don't care for the show, and I've never had a problem with that, but I do take some offense when the show is described as poor and the characters as boring. I know you didn't mean it that way, but given how strongly I feel about the show, it struck a chord with me. As of right now, I have DS9 and Seinfeld at a tie as the greatest tv shows I've ever seen. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way, but just to respect the shows. I might be wrong in this regard, but I just don't like it when something is criticized as being bad and treated like it's fact. It's rarely that simple. Some people will see something extraordinary, where others will see nothing out of the ordinary. It just annoys me when people say DS9 is bad or poor as though its some kind of truth. When saying something "is" something, I prefer to err on the positive side.

Anyway, I apologize for rambling on here. I do understand you weren't meaning your words to be negative remarks. Hopefully I haven't come across as attacking in my posts. I just wanted to show where I'm coming from, why I've disagreed with you.

[James]

DarkAngel:
Anyway, I apologize for rambling on here. I do understand you weren't meaning your words to be negative remarks. Hopefully I haven't come across as attacking in my posts. I just wanted to show where I'm coming from, why I've disagreed with you.

Don't apologise for intelligent posts, mate, I'm glad someone disagrees with me. I truely find the love of DS9 hard to fathom and it gives me an insight into why people prefer it to, say, ST:OS!

I think DS9 has a lot of strong qualities - I also found it to have a lot of weak ones (IMO) - I would still recommend it as good sci fi and a sparkle of hope that occasionally Trek can do something different than rehash the original series!

[Calhoun07]

I notice that people seem to be saying they don't want a rehash of the old series, and the old formula. And it strikes me that is why First Contact and Deep Space Nine are so popular. I wonder if Star Trek can continue to reinvent itself to last another 25-30 years or will the franchise run out of steam?

[James]

I notice that people seem to be saying they don't want a rehash of the old series, and the old formula. And it strikes me that is why First Contact and Deep Space Nine are so popular. I wonder if Star Trek can continue to reinvent itself to last another 25-30 years or will the franchise run out of steam?

I can see the franchise falling on it's face eventually. DS9 was the breakaway from formula and was comparatively the most unpopular of the new Trek's. I think this will create unwillingness to branch further as the new Trek Enterprise all implies in it's name.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by SJJ


I can see the franchise falling on it's face eventually.

I've felt that it already has with Voyager. At this point, Star Trek seems very tired, which is why I wasn't very excited initially about Enterprise. But with everything I've been hearing the last couple weeks, and after seeing the Enterprise ad with footage from the show, my opinion has changed drastically. Looking at the tv commercial, Enterprise didn't seem like a Star Trek series. I don't mean that in a negative sense. Voyager, I think, was caught in a rut because it was confining itself to a portrayal and look that TNG had. But with Enterprise, the presentation seems unlike any of the other Trek shows. It looks different, very fresh, which is what Trek needs so badly right now. The only thing that remains to be seen is whether the writing is going to be of strong quality.

[Calhoun07]

Enterprise WILL be different, make no doubt about it. It's obvious they are trying to reinvent the franchise, but how successful will it be? It may be great for TV now, but will it last another 25-30 years? I guess time will only tell.

Is the Enterprise following suit with being signed on as a 7 year show, like the three previous series were?

[James]

Enterprise WILL be different, make no doubt about it. It's obvious they are trying to reinvent the franchise, but how successful will it be? It may be great for TV now, but will it last another 25-30 years? I guess time will only tell.

Will it? I've seen nothing that proves that to me. I know that there will be some changes to the formula (lack of transporters, Mr Bakula - making a refreshing change from Janeway I'm sure) but the sets look more voyager than pre Kirk, and the ship design looks remarkably similar.... I see no fresh ideas there.... I hope to be pleasantly surprised but judging the 'safe' motivation of Voyager I can't see anyone at the Trek Franchise taking too many risks...